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New Stargate Series In the Works
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CowboyNeal
on Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:44 AM
from the on-the-horizon dept.
from the on-the-horizon dept.
Skythe writes "Gateworld reports that an exclusive, third Stargate series is in the works: 'The new series is in the concept phase, and is being actively worked on by the Vancouver creatives behind Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis. No concept for the show has yet been revealed.'
Gateworld also reports despite the cancellation of SG-1, the series is likely for a 2007 debut. I wonder if the direct-to-dvd movies will any influence on the new series, and what the concept behind the show will be?"
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Ant writes "The Sci-Fi channel has announced that it will not be renewing its (very popular) original series Stargate SG-1 for another season.The spinoff series Stargate: Atlantis will get the nod, though, airing for a fourth year. SG-1 aired its 200th episode on August 18th, and the SF series is the longest-running SF show on American television." Gateworld has further details: "New episodes of both Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis continue Fridays this summer starting at 9 p.m. Eastern/Pacific, leading up to the mid-season finale on September 22. The second half of the season will begin in March, leading to SG-1's final bow on SCI FI in June."
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New Series (Score:4, Funny)
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That's a novel way of spelling "Nnnoooooooo!!!"
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Re:New Series (Score:4, Funny)
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I'm all for it! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I'm all for it! (Score:4, Funny)
Next, on Stargate 9-1-1.
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Re:I'm all for it! (Score:5, Funny)
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Gate == TARDIS ? (Score:3, Funny)
Of course, the gate can only translate verbal language and not written language like the TARDIS. That is a result of the Ancients not being as technologically advanced as the Time Lords.
That being said, I think the Doctor needs to get to the Pegasus Galaxy asap. They seem to have ZPM's and sense the Eye of Harmony doesn't work anymo
Then I can gues... (Score:4, Interesting)
Then, I can guess that most language you've learned are :
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- Using alphabets for writing (as opposed to ideograph or syllable writing systems).
- Maybe even using some form of latin alphabet (as opposed to greek or cyrillic)
Reading is the most easy for you because you're quite familar with the symbols used to write language. The written form of words is the only thing that is actually new to you. Your eyes and your brain is already accustomed to the shape of most letters your going to encounter (you obviously are accustomed to latin alphabet, and maybe cyrillic and greek aren't too alien for you). If you had to start to learn chinese, Korean (with its very own concept of "alphabet disguised as a syllabary"), japanesse (OMG !!! 3 different writing systems !), old egyptian (Hieroglyphs), old Sumerian (Cuneiform), alternate forms to write old Greek (Linear B wasn't even designed to encode greek words), old bulgarian (using Glagolitic [wikipedia.org]) old Mayan (no, no. these aren't complexe beautiful painting, they are writings), reading won't be that easy, because you'll have to put up with a completly new writing system, that doesn't look like anything you're used to.
SG happen to describe a universe where most human cultures were kept to a more ancient and primitive form.
Most old real-life human civilisation had mostly an oral tradition, people spoke much more than they wrote those language. Being illiterate was quite common and normal. Writing was only a small very specialised job done by specifically trained people/slaves (scribes). Both because of it and in consequence of it, writing wasn't a practical simple system, but a very complex one, with thousands of different symbols. Language of similar linguistic groups may use completly different writing system (because of its complexity writing wasn't carried over by people over cultural evolution, but may have been reinvented adhoc when needed for very specific purposes) old greek is a good exemple (you have Linear B used during Mycenian times, then a long period of purely oral tradition, then the Greek alphabet being adopted). It's the opposite of modern situation (were Latin is the most pervasive form of writing and due to computer and internet popularity is even used in language that traditionally never used it : like romanji).
In the fictional universe of Stargate this may translate that only earthlings did evolve their writing systems into something practical and easy to learn (in the movie, writing was showed to be forbiden). Most other population may have kept a lot of different and complex writing, some of which aren't even alphabet but much bigger character sets (syllables or ideographs).
In which case, for a team to be able to communicate in the fictionnal SG universe
- for spoken language
they need to learn some basic words in most language. As language are supposed to be primitive, they're expected to speak different dialects of mostly old Indo-European language. This concretly could mean learning a dozen or so translation for most common words needed for basic communication. The rest is usually dialectal difference and can be completed with guess work as dialogue is going. (And as experience in other language accumulate this is becoming even easier). The actual barrier isn't as much the vocabulary as the potential social faux-pas that could exist in a fictionnal setting where culture and civilisation are scattered into a lot of small and separated sub-groups accross the galaxy.
- for written language
They would need to learn several writing systems, most of which consists of thousands of different symbols and unlike spoken language, can't be grouped into closely related groups. Also, when you're not sure about the meaning you can't just ask the text to explain it.
To make comparison with other fictionnal situations : You're m
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There's some truth to that. English has never been prissy or stuck up about adopting foreign words, unlike some other languages (*cough* francais *cough*). The language itself is a hybrid of germanic and latin and freely adopts words from indigenous languages everywhere on the planet that the English went (mostly nouns - pajamas (India), boomerang (Australia), kayak (North American Arctic) - although the latter two ha
If they put Morena Baccarin in it (Score:2)
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You Firefly fans won't need it though
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Hey! (Score:5, Funny)
No joke! (Score:4, Interesting)
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Damn them for cancelling SG-1 (Score:2)
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Re:Damn them for cancelling SG-1 (Score:5, Funny)
Learn what? Futurama was much better than The Simpsons.
And you are like Hitler.
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Come ON already (Score:2)
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Re:Come ON already (Score:4, Insightful)
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But you are right it may as well be a new series as much as the cast and focus of the show has changed. I still really like the show but it has changed quite a bit in the past few seasons. After all how many plot lines can you have with the G'ould being the only real enemies. They also have / had the replicators but they are too static as character group to be of interest for too long.
Re:Come ON already (Score:5, Insightful)
If the show keeps going on like this it's no wonder it didn't survive. As much as I like SG-1, it's too similar to Dragonball Z for comfort.
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I, for one, (Score:4, Insightful)
Given the production quality of SG-1 and Atlantis, I'm looking forward to any new Stargate series that comes out.
Re:I, for one, (Score:4, Funny)
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It does need a reboot. (Score:2)
This is a good thing, and I like the show the way it is -- I like that Daniel Jackson doesn't have to spend the first half hour of every show cracking a new alien language -- but still, it might be good to officially reboot it.
Damn you, Preview button (Score:2)
How you mock me.
That should be:
Re:It does need a reboot. (Score:5, Insightful)
IMHO the series is in dire need of a reboot, which is why I find myself enjoying Atlantis more than SG1. With a show like SG1 it's far too easy to rely on prior-knowledge and previous episodes, which rewards long-time fans but make the show increasingly unapproachable by new viewers. Since the show isn't gaining many fans, it experiences a net loss of viewers until it inevitably starves itself out and gets canned.
With Atlantis character development has to be pushed, enemies are still fresh, mysterious, and menacing. Part of the thing with the Goa'uld at the beginning was how little we knew about them. We didn't know their customs, we didn't know too much about their physiology, and we certainly had no idea how to beat them. Part of the problem right now is that they've killed off all the bad guys, necessitating the need to create ever more powerful bad guys - and now we're literally fighting gods. The show's also drifted away from the Stargate-y roots. I enjoyed episodes where the gate would meet strange new enemies through the gate, not... by going to hyperspace and waging intergalactic war in ginormous battlecruisers. Please. Leave that to Star Trek.
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i've never seen the show... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:i've never seen the show... (Score:5, Insightful)
I would have thought 1 would be where Voyager sits?
I'd have to put it at 9.5 or 10, simply because I enjoy it as much as BSG.
The thing with Stargate is that just like BSG (Black Market), it has a few episodes that just aren't that great (The Light). Also shared with BSG, it's *much* better if you know the backstory and have been watching the show instead of trying to just jump right in (though there are episodes where this would be fine).
I've watched SG-1 since it first aired in 1997 and can say that I've enjoyed it. Overall it's been quite good and it has had some stellar episodes. Atlantis struggled the first season, but has gotten better over time and I'm looking forward to the rest of the 3rd season.
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The story is engaging, the acting is very good by American standards, and the characters are well developed. Quite often the science aspect of it is outstanding.
Downsides: the plots are often too neatly resolved (e.g. turning someone into an alien and then back again with no ill effects) and it has the same problem Deep Space Nine did in that everything revolves around the stargate. And it never builds the dramatic inten
Maybe they can get good actors this time...? (Score:2)
Two words... (Score:5, Funny)
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Series Premier (Score:2)
Immediately u
Can we please not have another McKay character? (Score:4, Interesting)
Can we please please please not have another jarring character like McKay like in Stargate: Atlantis? Not only is he completely over-the-top antisocial, but he seems to make everyone around him lose any sense of tact that they might otherwise have had.
And that formula of having McKay/Carter start explaining the technical details of something, only to be interrupted by the superior officer who doesn't understand the jargon, is getting very very tired. Please kill it.
Re:Can we please not have another McKay character? (Score:4, Informative)
Yes, the technical mumbo-jumbo thing is irritating, but thats simply a sign of bad writing. It's a plot device or easy deis ex machena that they try and legitimize, but they are by far not the only show to be guilty of it.
I'd by far rather see an end to the lame warrior-types, I've seen more character depth from pre-gen D&D character sheets.
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Especially in the first season though he says something, nobody listens to him, then he turns out to be right.
I'd love to see "Ba'al, the early years" (Score:3, Interesting)
IMHO, of course.
New title revealed! (Score:3, Funny)
CSI: Cheyenne
The Premise (Score:5, Funny)
Not the Third Series... (Score:3, Informative)
You really have to ask? (Score:3, Funny)
I'm guessing it will involve a bunch of Air Force nerds who travel through a magic gate to other planets which all oddly resemble either California or British Coloumbia, and once there, do whatever the Star Trek crew did in whatever episode of Star Trek the script for this particular episode of the new Stargate was lifted from. And they'll throw in a popular nerd or two from some other nerdy show to ensure that nerds bother to watch.
Re:Yay, just what I wanted (Score:4, Insightful)
And with some minor modifications Star Trek is Doctor Who which with some minor modifications is Battlestar Galactica which is very similar to Lost in Space which seems a lot like Futurama, a show that brings back memories of Andromeda which is like that old show...
Science fiction based around space travel is simply a variation on a theme. Some guys have this thing (Stargate, Enterprise, TARDIS, Galactica, Jupiter 2, Planet Express) that takes them around the galaxy and they meet these bad guys and they have to outwit them and they do nice things and sometimes bad things and gosh that's all there is to it.
Some have more direction (new BSG, DS9) than others which just wander around (TNG, Dr Who) while some do a bit of both (SG1). Nobody is claiming that Stargate is a brilliant new idea, just that it's an idea it's been well executed and well received (based on it's 10 years on the air if nothing else).
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Re:Stargate: Vice City (Score:4, Funny)
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In what way is it exclusive? Perhaps it excludes plot, character development, and good writing?
It just means that the dipshit who submitted it took the headline of TFA "Exclusive: Third Stargate series in development" and mangled it into his summary without apparently understanding the journalistic meaning of "exclusive".