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Does Laid off = fired? (Score:3)
I've been fired twice. Neither of the times were due to work load for the company. The first time, I was young and stupid and completely out of my depth in the job I was in, was doing a rubbish job and got fired by text message. The second was because I has decided I wanted to set up my own business and was in the process of exploring what that entailed when my boss found out. I found all my stuff in boxes in the lobby.
And DAMNIT, now I see the final poll option. Oh well. I selected the 2 - 3 times options because reading the the bottom of a list is clearly too hard for me.
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Laid Off does not mean fired in the United States. Laid off is let go for business reasons (at-will). Fired is for cause (you did something that triggered a policy). If a company is shutting down a department/service, they lay off staff. If you spit on the boss and he fires you, that's a different situation.
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Actually, laid off is a very specific termination. The company cannot rehire someone in your position for ~6 months.
Fired can be for any reason other than sex,religion,age,race,etc. "I just don't like you" is a valid reason for firing.
Lately, companies have been doing a "clean hands" method of layoff where they sign a service contract with an outside company. They have plausible deniability to the contractor's H1B abuse or labor abuses overseas.
That's the difference? (Score:2)
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Pretty much, that is what happened to me. An employer found something in my background (not illegal, but definitely unsavory . . . as a child I had been a victim of a certain type of crime and there is a bit of a vampyre myth; if a person was a victim they will, with certainty, go on to be a perpetuator [note, it is a false myth and total BS]. However, it was decided that I could not be a child services investigator [my job title] as my background contained a "risk factor.").
However, the county supported t
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It was for the best since I was miserable working there and they weren't happy with my output.
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I was "fired" at my last job. 2 years I received 10K raises for the good work I was doing, then when I am on vacation. Then there is a problem with with an install while I am on vacation, and I take the fall. The company tried to claim it was for cause, but the State denied that claim immediately.
The reality was the company was hemorrhaging cash during the recession, and was trying to lay off employees, but not pay unemployment. Almost half the staff was let go over the course of the year, and no one wa
Update your profile (Score:1)
Dice many times?
India (Score:1)
The mumbai boys did the needful and replaced me. (At least it wasnt a small shell script instead.)
Great each time (Score:4, Interesting)
Each time I was laid off it was a blessing. The first time was at the height of the dot com boom and I had my choice of job offers to choose. The company had no clue what it was doing and our group had no roadmap for almost a year. We had lots of cool ideas, but no way to act on them. That company is a tiny shell of what it once was. The second time I wondered why it took so long. The company was going nowhere fast and I was quite happy when I was laid off, plus I had 8 weeks of accrued vacation and they paid me three months of severance on top of that, plus six months of COBRA. I smiled during the exit interview. The third time it was also a blessing. I hated the job with a passion as they dicked me around, complained about my code formatting (yet nobody could point to their strict code formatting documentation for several months and gave inconsistent messages as to what it should be), etc. I took six months off until a contracting job landed in my lap, then another permanent job.
I'm generally happy at my current job, though I wish we could find more engineers. Finding mediocre engineers is easy. Finding good ones is hard.
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For me it was right after the Dot-Bust. It took me over ten years to come back, and I still earn less in real dollars, I never made it back into the technical trades.
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your story is the situation that keeps people up at night. tbh i have horrible job insecurity. nothing to do with my current position, but it's more of a mindset. if there's a hint of bad news at the company I'm immediatly sharpening my resume and shopping around. i would probably be better off if I embraced my company and my work more fearlessly rather than always holding back and keeping an eye out for my next step.
i'm starting in two weeks a public agency, which should give me a little confidence in more
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complained about my code formatting (yet nobody could point to their strict code formatting documentation for several months and gave inconsistent messages as to what it should be)
Format your code so it is indistinguishable from the code around it.
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I thought I did, though I didn't add a space in the right place in the header files where they formatted the prototypes differently than in the .c files. It was also one of those places where they gave me an unusably slow computer with no root/sudo access.
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It got even worse. I had a couple of vacations scheduled before I started there and told them up front (plane tickets bought and hotel reserved). I told them this up-front. Later I found out that they had their own vacation schedule that I *HAD* to follow (which was rather inconvenient for me) and it wasn't around Christmas. That chewed up all of my vacation on top of getting the flu (vacation and sick time were combined). Plus there were 8am meetings and the location had the worst possible commute since th
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sorry to hear it, timothy (Score:5, Funny)
Times bad at Dice?
Once fired 3 times in a week from the SAME JOB (Score:4, Interesting)
Company was taken over on the Monday by new owner.
10AM email - "entire IT department is fired". We'd been sort of expecting that, so we organised to go out for lunch. Get back from lunch "Oops, mistake, you're unfired".
2:30PM email to all the team leads and senior developers "You're all fired". We start packing up again until 3PM email "No, you're unfired".
Tuesday, about a third of the department came in with boxes and quit by themselves. New owners screaming at them in the carpark "You can't quit! I own this company now! You work for me!"
Wednesday morning email, "You're definitely fired this time. Get out." I pack up my stuff and print out a list of the database userids and passwords and system maintenance tasks and drop it off to the new owner "Hey, you're going to need to hire someone to run these regular jobs or the company systems will collapse in about a week and you won't have any customers and you'll go broke".
Look at that, turns out I'm unfired.
It took me a couple of months to find a good job elsewhere, and then I gave notice and quit. As I'm leaving the new owner is saying to me "That's pretty ungrateful after all I did for you"
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Sorry but if "no telecommuting" and not getting a desk are the worst you've suffered, I fear you've never really been in a workplace that ACTUALLY wants to get rid of you.
To be honest, I've never worked in a place that HAD a telecommuting policy at all, and the only reason you get a desk is because they have thousands of them - they might be in the tiniest of unsuitable cupboards, but it's still a desk, right?
Worst assigned working area - literally just wide enough for a desktop PC, six foot long, no door,
Been there, done that (Score:2)
A young startup where the execs seemed to change their mind every other week. When one of the founders needed a fall guy for one of his screw-ups, my readiness to go above and beyond for a company I believed in was rewarded with a pink slip. Permanently cured me of that mindset.
What does "forced to retire" count as? (Score:1)
Never, but it's been close..... (Score:1)
I was working at a startup, and my boss was used to working with fresh out of college people who seemed to need to be micromanaged. He didn't like my independent style at all. That means he didn't like that I did my job, met all expectations of work solutions, on time and without assistance. He decided that he wanted daily meetings, and that I had to call to clear everything and anything through him. He then started badmouthing me to the others. Then I noticed I was getting left out of meetings. I never un
Not quite the correct question (Score:2)
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Some work in jobs where getting laid off is a seasonal occurrence.
A lot of employers are now just hiring people on contracts. Especially for jobs that may change yearly. You no longer get laid off, they just dont renew your contract if they dont want you to continue.
This is common in the education sector where things change yearly, you get employed with a 12 month contract that gives you similar benefits to a full time job (I.E. same leave entitlements) but leaves the employer open to "release" you at the end without penalty.
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This is exactly what happened to me when I was a university lecturer. I was on a yearly contract, which was not renewed when there was a sudden drop in enrollment.
I was upset at losing my job at the time, but in retrospect I think this arrangement was actually reasonable. My department's enrollment numbers varied quite a bit from year to year, so they needed flexibility to trim staff in down years. While I was employed, I received full benefits and a reasonable salary.
Pharmaceutical industry (Score:3)
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Layoffs remain necessary when the business is not getting as much revenue as they used to, or as they grew to sustain. It remains inevitable in a technology world where technologies are surpassed or discarded on a regular basis. The Golgafrincham "telephone sanitizers" from the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" come to mind. In the real world, VAX, Ultrix, Alpha chip, NeXTStep, BeOS, LISP Machine, Token Ring, and Berkeley DB experts are others whose roles have evaporated as technology shifted.
Happens to the best of us (Score:5, Insightful)
It can happen to the best of us. We're expensive: We document, with legible and organized documentation. We write clean, intelligible supportable code or make robust, upgradable hardware. We _finish_ the core task we were hired for, making it possible for an internn to taqke over that specific role. We become invaluable to the manager who hired us, but not necessarily to all managers, because we're truthful about ongoing problems. We study how systems from other teams work with ours and make demands that can be very, very unwelcome.
Those are pure work quality reasons we may be laid off. The best of us also tend to have lives, interests and hobbies and families that keep us sane and productive in the long run but don't support the mad unscheduled releases a poorly organized company relies on. We therefore _organize_ our work so that the mad dash isn't required.
And sometimes, very rarely, we look at a colleague in a similar role at the same company and realize "they've got kids, they can hold the fort for a year if I'm gone and as the company shrinks, and I can get a job faster", and quietly volunteer to be the person laid off on the small team. That's precisely what I did in the dotbomb tech market collapse over a decade ago. It _shocked_ my colleague, and my supervisor and their supervisor were quite amazed. That former colleague is now the depatement head, so I think it worked for my colleague, their family, and the company.
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Good for you! I think you piled on some kharma for that.
Re: Happens to the best of us (Score:2)
Bingo. Spot on.
Are job is done best when we replace ourselves with code. My webdeving today is almost exclusively made up of installing extensions and tweaking a little css or php here and there. And simply knowing how and where and when to do it. 80% is just email, politucs and important sounding requirements analysis papers.
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I was surprised to see a high number of people who were never laid off. I have been laid off twice since I started working full-time in 1998 after graduating from college. :(
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There's other reasons it can happen to the best of us. One of my favorite employers was growing rapidly and not wisely, and the company got into financial difficulties. They laid off those of us who were making more money (typically because we were very good). The good thing was that I looked around the room at the meeting and saw other developers I greatly respected, so it didn't feel like there was anything specifically directed at me.
Been laid off twice, and gotten better jobs (Score:2)
It has always seemed to be a common thread with me and some of the people I've known over the years. They get the bad news, we don't need you anymore. Not the bad news that you suck and we don't need you, but we are cutting back and can't afford your services.
Almost everyone I've known, including myself, has gotten better jobs after a round downsizing. I think part of it is if you stay in one place too long, your value goes up, but your company is not willing to recognize you for it.
The best thing that eve
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It's definitely who you know. (It helped in the last one that I was able to waltz in and fix a system that had been stalled for a year, due to an unnoticed typo.)
Been laid off twice and fired once (Score:2)
Been laid off from a failing web/game startup once, never got my final paycheck, Rainer Poertner is a career criminal. Been laid off from a casino where the IT manager was a clueless dipshit and also the son of the acting general manager, who was helping someone who actually went to jail loot the casino. But he's an old white guy and the person who went to jail is a native. I got replaced with two people. And been fired from a delivery tracking company that had been bought out. Their product was on maintena
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Back in the dotcom era, I was told by a colleague to _not_ document my work or write testing or automation tools related to their work, because it would help preserve their job in the face of layoffs. After the first round of layoffs, I took a quiet look at that engineer's work. Then I quietly take my immediate supervisor aside and explain that that particular engineer's job could, and should, be completely automated, with a list of open source tools that could do the work with a few weeks of development to
I'm an IT anomaly... (Score:4, Interesting)
I was once laid of 3 times in 12 months (Score:2)
Once and then freedom (Score:5, Interesting)
I've been laid off twice... (Score:2)
as part of the general bankruptcy of the whole company. But I've never been laid off on my own.
Laid off but had a new job lined up (Score:2)
Twice (Score:3)
Been laid off twice.
First time was early in my career - 1/3 of the company got laid off. A couple of days before management had said "we're all ok, keep working!"
Second time was many years later - big company that had offices all over the world closed our small engineering office. To get our severance package we all had to stay for the two weeks to train the people they flew in from the China office that were taking over our projects.
Summer factory work (Score:2)
Does getting "laid off" in high school count? (Score:2)
I once got "laid off" from a lame food service job in high school, where the manager was basically too lazy to fire me and just stopped putting my name on the schedule.
I've never been fired from an IT job since I graduated college, though. I've certainly quit a few lousy jobs where I was either being treated badly or was about to get outsourced, though.
Subtract the last 3 letters (Score:5, Funny)
Seems to me a better poll for the Slashdot crowd is:
"I've been laid..."
Displaying poll results.
Never: 3477 votes / 43%
Once: 1907 votes / 23%
2 or 3 times 1281 votes / 15%
More than 3 times 453 votes / 5%
I look forward to the first time 230 votes / 2%
Who has the time to get laid? 157 votes / 1%
Does "screwed" also count? 558 votes / 6%
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I've been married 3 times what the hell was I thinking?
Actually I'll take multiple options:
More than 3 times.
Who has time to get laid? {when they have kids}
Does screwed also count? {first two wives}
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Never: 3477 votes / 43%
Once: 1907 votes / 23%
2 or 3 times 1281 votes / 15%
More than 3 times 453 votes / 5%
I look forward to the first time 230 votes / 2%
Who has the time to get laid? 157 votes / 1%
Does "screwed by Cowboy Neal" also count? 558 votes / 6%
FTFY
Partners told me not to come back (Score:2)
I entered the last entry "Does being fired count?" as that's the best fit.
At Hammerhead Productions, I was one of four partners. We had some disagreements, and while I was taking a leave and working for Universal on Fast and Furious , the other partners told me that I could no longer work there when that movie was over. C'est la vie.
Thad
I answered once (Score:2)
... but I'm not sure whether it counts. I was the last regular employee left when a company was being shut down, and part owner of that company.
I've been laid off at least 5 times during 29y. (Score:2)
In the beginning, everyone is thrilled to have me, they find me amusing and productive. After a couple of years, the ladies in the companies usually end up hating me, I don't get it...I never say anything remotely sexist, and I don't do any sexual harassment or anything, but it seems like I don't give them enough attention or something perhaps? I'm so clueless about this.
Being laid off is a huge blow to me, it takes me years t
I've been laid off 4 times in 26 years (Score:2)
Two of the companies no longer exist, a third exists only due to ongoing contracts, and the last ... was a major media corp who decided to "go another direction" and "let go" the specialist team working on the project they axed.
Working for a Big Company is no guarantee they'll keep you on, or try to find another position for you.
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I've been laid off 4 times twice by the same company, which is also the only one still in business.
I was fired once...
When I was in college for awhile I worked at a McDonald's and a young girl 16yrs old asked her 30 something married manager if there was anything else he needed her to do and he replied "You can do me." so right in front him I said "If you need me to testify just let me know." This had actually been going on for awhile he thought the underage female staff was his personal harem. He fired me
Nine (9) times. (Score:3)
I've been laid off 9 times until now. First time was the wrong career, and not the one I really wanted. After two years I took my troubles to my employer and we agreed to cancel the contract.
The second time was in 2001, after the dot-com bubble had burst. No surprise here.
The third was after 3 months. I had been hired to programm an LMS but was used to teach a class because they were out of teachers. After the course was over I got laid off.
The fourth was after a company that had grown with 6000% (six thousand percent) in one year downsized from roughly 600 to about 350 - I negotiated a good severance. Half a year later roughl 150 people were laid off with no severance at all. ...
I've since found that for me it makes no sense to bend myself to fit into a position that no longer has any worth to it - neither for me or my employer. I actually usually feel quite alive when I'm out of a job that has become a drag and usually can see it coming months ahead. Downsizing in expenses, strange project cancelations, weird/crappy assignments of positions, poor gouvernance actually hurting the bottom line, etc.. It, of course, also comes with the type of job I do: non-specialised web development. Last decade I was specialized in Flash/ActionScript, and we all know how much worth that is now.
I've since moved to FOSS only / proprietary never again and now do LAMP with Wordpress as main toolkit. Not exactly the most stable proposition either, but I can always get a new gig within a few days. I've also done very long stretches of freelance / contract work. It feels good to be able to walk on your own if the need arises.
I've also since discovered how important it is not to work with assholes and that roughly 80% of agencies/webshops are actually run by those. 20% however, are not. I'm currently at one of those. IT cluelessness that makes you gasp for air every once in a while - as usual - but a surprising lack of douchebags. The bosses are all cool, I as the lone IT guy am free to do as I wish and we have a very high count on women PMs (actual women, not office-girlies) that add a lot to the relaxed, professional and non-pissing-contest vibe at the company.
It rather work at such a place than at a "professional shop" filled with antisocial idiots I've since found out aswell.
Almost every layoff forced me into action and almost every one had a measurable positive impact on my life and career. I'm now a seasoned professional and can smell a dead project or a company in emergency douchebag shutdown mode from miles away. I've seen enough shops and teams and companies to instantly tell which crew will fail, which will make it and why. And I have become self-confident enough not to be pushed around by psychopaths who haven't got a private life.
Bottom line:
Being laid off is far less bad than being stuck in a dead-end job for years on end.
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I have to say I could say "ditto" to 80 percent of what you wrote, because it was like reading my own life story, it wouldn't surprise me if you where in your 40's too. I still have to find those 20% you speak of, I might have been super unfortunate with my bosses, or just a loser magnet since I'm usually very dedicated and become almost TOO loyal towards those I work for, it's almost guaranteed to end with a backstabbing (of me) sooner or
Lay-offs were good to me (Score:3)
The first layoff, a major client representing more than 50% of the business left. Layoffs were inevitable. I asked my boss if he could get me in the first round of layoffs. He said "no" and shook his head affirmatively, adding a wink. I received 6 months salary (I had been working there 6 years) and had a new job one week later getting more money.
The second layoff, the entire industry (banking) was suffering a severe downturn and many banks were shedding employees. I wanted to retire. I asked my boss if layoffs were coming and he said "yes". I asked him if I could be put on the list and he again said "yes". I had to wait for 6 months which was agonizing but I received about 5 months money (I had been working there for 10 years) which was significantly better than resigning where I would have received nothing.
So here are my tips:
1. Always be on good terms with your boss. If you aren't, get a new boss by switching departments or jobs.
2. If layoffs are coming, always be in on the first round. You typically get a better severance deal.
3. It goes without saying that you should always keep yourself with marketable skills as you never know when a job will end.
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Thanks for the advice. I don't have mod points, so... Have an imaginary "+1 Informative".
Is it a layoff if the whole company disappears? (Score:2)
I've worked for several startups that went bust. Some of those had layoffs on the way down. I survived all the intermediate layoffs but at three of these I was still working when the word came down to "turn out the lights".
Contract work is another fuzzy area.
Oh Hell and damnation.,, (Score:2)
For some reason, the my browser's rendering of column width was out of wack (perhaps the user agent spoofer plugin) and I thought the question was "I've been laid..."
Though I suppose 'once' is still an accurate response.
Voted laid off (Score:2)
Voted laid off, however, actually the company went bust.
I say "never" however... (Score:2)
they seemed genuinely shocked when I put in my notice. I said "well, you basically l
Depends on "laid off" definition. (Score:2)
I've been let go from temp jobs, but I don't really consider those as "laid off," since they were, by definition, temporary.
I have been fired a couple times, sometimes for borderline-made-up reasons to avoid paying unemployment, but I got better jobs quickly enough afterward to not bother challenging it. (And, of course, they were jobs I didn't miss, either.)
There are two instances that come very close.
In the dot-com era, I was hired by a dot-com early on (single-digit employee number,) as the IT guy with
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I've managed to stay in the same place for about 15 years now.
That doesn't sound lucky to me.
What is 'luck'? (Score:2)
Re:What is 'luck'? (Score:5, Insightful)
I've always thought the universe a tad on the deterministic side, even if not always to my taste. Never understood 'luck'.
Luck is a rephrasing of the butterfly effect, that a microscopic change to the initial conditions will lead to a totally different outcome. Like if you're hit by a drunk driver on the way to work, well he might be a drunkard and you were going to work every day, but the fact that he happened to be there at just the right moment to hit you is entirely arbitrary. If you had done anything slightly different by only a few seconds you would have missed each other. Maybe he'd hit the car in front of you or behind you, but your life would go off in a totally different direction.
For example I got a friend from the studies that I met simply because we sat next to each other on the first lecture. I studied in my home town, so for the most part I hung out with my old friends so it's unlikely we'd have become friends otherwise. We became good friends and eventually studied a year abroad together, that whole year and more would almost certainly not have happened if that seat had been taken. Not that I believe in fate, destiny, guardian angels or that some are inherently lucky or unlucky, but that despite the best of planning my life is subject to many random events outside my control.
And maybe more important, luck is describing that life isn't fair. That maybe I won a lottery by birth, just by being born in a nice place to nice parents instead of a shit place with shit parents. That there are good, hard working people who are much worse off than me because they never had a lucky break in their life but rather a few kicks in the groin. And that there's deadbeat pricks who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth, who despite their wealth are sorry excuses for a human being. Though the poor can still win the lottery and the rich die from cancer, there are no guarantees in life.
You just play with the hand you're dealt, roll with the punches and make the most of it. How's life deterministic? Sure, you can feel tied down by commitments but most everybody got choices to go other places, do other things and live other lives if they genuinely need to unless you're really living under slave-like conditions. And even if you feel you're really out of options, the world could still throw a case of bad luck at you. There's a whole lot of words I could use to describe life from wonderful to miserable to surreal, deterministic would not be on it.
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Luck is a rephrasing of the butterfly effect, that a microscopic change to the initial conditions will lead to a totally different outcome.
OK, but those initial conditions were determined at Universal_t_0, were they not?
The direction I'm moving with the question is that 'luck' seems kind of an analytic cop-out. Not that I'm shaming anyone, mind you. The concept is common across time and cultures.
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individual events can be random, but the aggregate outcome can be deterministic. c.f. probability curves or casino business models. "luck" comes into play when the outcome of the individual events matters greatly to you.
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individual events can be random
Random, or impossible to duplicate with the current understanding?
Are we not supposed to have a quasi-religious belief, for example, that science will eventually puzzle out those random details and support creating life from "scratch"?
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Are we not supposed to have a quasi-religious belief, for example, that science will eventually puzzle out those random details and support creating life from "scratch"?
No, and it's not necessary to support your worldview, due to the reasons I stated above. If you're looking for something on which you can ground your world, look no further than maths.
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If you're looking for something on which you can ground your world, look no further than maths.
How do you think maths get at the 'why' of existence?
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Luck is a rephrasing of the butterfly effect, that a microscopic change to the initial conditions will lead to a totally different outcome.
Actually, luck is anything more than 1 full deviation from the mean. On one side of the 1 deviation band is good luck, and on the other side of the band is bad luck.
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My point was that staying at the same job for 15 years sounds like a lousy experience to me. You're missing out on a lot of perspective by staying at one company, thus your skills won't improve as much.
After a couple years working in
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Determinism doesn't save us from decisions.
Which is why I hold that free will and destiny are as orthogonal planes, intersecting along a line called "time".
It's quite valid to claim that any instantaneous decision is the result of your free will, and also that you were meant to do that.
Restated, I submit that the philosophical hairballs arise from trying to say: 'liberty' + 'destiny' = 0.
Re: What is 'luck'? (Score:2)
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its scary for me to think that, of the 12,000 people who voted, about half had been laid off at some point. the working world it a scary place.
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So frequently, in my view, the "bad luck" moment is a culmination of a series of marginal decisions.
Blame the victim? No, but I'd sure like to see the "victim" step up and own their share of the "bad luck", both sins of co- and omission.
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Unless you have been getting promotions, it is called a dead end job.
Job security isn't a fair trade off for lack of growth.
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It's not a promotion if I no longer get to do any actual tech work any more and I do nothing but sit in meetings.
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I've seen the schedules of my corporate superiors. I DON'T want all those meetings.
Currently, I'm paid fairly well, treated very well, and given all this interesting stuff to do. It's hard to imagine how much money I'd want to move to a job I'd like a lot less.
Re: Gotten very lucky (Score:2)
15 years here too. I've felt tempted to quit many times, but looking for another job would be too much of a hassle. Also, I've grown a bit attached to this place... and, in my current economic situation, I'd rather play safe.
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I disagree. If somebody is happy doing what they are doing, who are you to shove your faux "onward and upward" attitude in their faces? If anything, the OP sounds like he is floating, certainly not sinking...
Re:Where is your will to succeed, dude? (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree. There are a lot of bad jobs out there. If you have found a good one, then staying there is your best bet.
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We need to improve ourselves, we need to acquire new skills, and we need to move on, taking on new challenges, pioneering new stuffs, or ... we sink
Being at the same company for 15 years doesn't mean that you stop improving yourself or acquiring new skills. If the company is doing it right then they are staying up on technology too and are keeping their employees up to date.
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It's common in the tech world, too. It often starts with an assembled list of "work problems", a paper trail that can be used to justify a firing. It comes with an "improvement plan" with nebulous goals which are designed for you to fail, while they hunt for a replacement without ever posting the opening. The key "goal" when this is happening is to "document your workflow". Sadly, it's also used to hide age, gender, racial, family, and medical bias. If you voluntarily resigned, it's _extremely_ difficult to
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A lot of government departments already do this. A previous IT job I had at a shared government / university research facility always asked first before they tapped folks on the shoulder. If enough people volunteered, no layoffs. And they always gave the volunteers a nice package.
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I work IT support for schools.
Never been laid off.
It all depends on the industry you work in, really.
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I've had 5 jobs in my 16 years post-university ; quit medicine after 18 months because I hated it, quit my first tech job after 7 years because of frustration with how things were being done, moved onto a better opportunity after 7 years at another place.
Been employed in my current post nearly a year.
The only job that laid me off (after 7 months), they begged me to come back a few weeks after they did it (while I was still working out my notice).
If you're good at what you do, there's no reason why necessari
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I haven't been laid off because I quit when I see things aren't going in a good direction.
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