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House Overturns FCC Media Consolidation Plan 348

son_of_a_general writes "Looks like the House of Representatives just overturned the FCC's media consolidation rules, previously covered on Slashdot here(1), here(2), and here(3). The article over at CNet shows that the House passed a bill that overturned the rules, by a 400 to 21 vote. All is not clear yet, however, as the bill still must pass through Senate and face being signed by a President who has already indicated that he may veto."
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House Overturns FCC Media Consolidation Plan

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  • "May veto?" (Score:4, Interesting)

    by John Paul Jones ( 151355 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:14PM (#6517871)
    NPR sez he's promised to.... how can he justify that with such an overwhelming nay vote in the house?
  • Can't figure it out (Score:4, Interesting)

    by SuperBanana ( 662181 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:15PM (#6517875)

    What I haven't quite figured out is -why- congress is so pissed. They were out for a piece of Powell during that hearing where he defended the decision.

    Lets face it- almost everything our politicians do now is either in the interests of business, stripping our rights, or pork-grabbing for votes come next election(some all of the above). This is, if I ever saw it, some seriously anti-corporate stuff. Is this a case of public opinion being strong enough that they thought they couldn't get away with going with the corporations? Has our house and senate been replaced by aliens? :-)

    [discuss]...

  • Small Point (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:16PM (#6517885)
    Due to cable and satellite, 87% of the nation wasn't covered by the rules as they stood. Prohibition for the sake of prohibition is not only fruitless, it's anti-consumer.

    Please, feel free to flame, but it's the truth. The rules only hindered business and were not 'protecting' anyone.
  • by mikeophile ( 647318 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:21PM (#6517909)
    From his biography site. [fcc.gov]

    Mr. Powell previously served as the Chief of Staff of the Antitrust Division in the Department of Justice. In that capacity, he advised the Assistant Attorney General on substantive antitrust matters, including policy development, criminal and civil investigations and mergers. Prior to joining the Antitrust Division, Mr. Powell was an associate in the Washington, D.C. office of the law firm of O'Melveny & Myers LLP, where he focused on litigation and regulatory matters involving telecommunications, antitrust and employment law.

    This is the guy who is saying that it's perfectly OK for a small number of companies to gobble up even more media outlets.

    I don't think Mr Powell has learned very much about antitrust.

  • by weighn ( 578357 ) <.moc.liamg. .ta. .nhgiew.> on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:28PM (#6517944) Homepage
    . . . I nearly believed it. By an amazing coincidence the Australian Senate will soon vote on cross-media ownership laws. This will be the death of independent media over here. Rupert Murdoch is poised to take over the Fairfax papers, which are the only media outlet critical of the current government.
  • Goes against the UD (Score:5, Interesting)

    by csguy314 ( 559705 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:29PM (#6517951) Homepage
    There is pretty much a concensus that the consolidation of corporate media, and the corporatization of media in general goes against Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

    When all media is controlled by large corporations, it really precludes any involvement of the general populace.
  • Re:Well.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jon787 ( 512497 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:34PM (#6517981) Homepage Journal
    Yes there are many ways the politicians can twist the arm of others to change rules. Just look at how they forced Montana to implement a speed limit on the interstate. They threatened to withhold money for repairing the roads.
  • Rights Shmights (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Dancin_Santa ( 265275 ) <DancinSanta@gmail.com> on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:35PM (#6517982) Journal
    Take a look at the bill and its amendments if you are truly worried about your freedom.

    If you live in a state that is even considering legalizing the medical use of marijuana, your state's federal funding may be axed.

    An amendment that would prohibit unlawful search and seizure of personal data between government agencies pertaining to records of suspected terrorists was struck down.

    And finally Sheila Jackson Lee's amendments were unanimously voted down (hooray).

    This FCC crap is the least of your worries.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:39PM (#6518011)
    Corporate media monopolies rely on government granted IP monopolies (copyright), so if the government wants to decrease corporate media monopolies, it should increase fair use rights for news coverage.

    That way, a small news organization could, for example, use the Fox News feed of the State of the Union but then provide an independent commentary.

  • by Funksaw ( 636954 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:47PM (#6518068)
    Here's what I'd like to know: It overturns the 45% rule, but does it still prohibit cross-ownership of TV and newspapers? That would be the major problem... as much as I have a problem with the Gannett chain, they're still a newspaper company, run by newsmen who primarily report the news... while TV is increasingly run by entertainment companies run by entertainment moguls who turn the news into 'infotainment.' -- Funksaw
  • Re:it doesn't matter (Score:4, Interesting)

    by laigle ( 614390 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:50PM (#6518089)
    Which is why he won't veto if it gets to him. A veto override is a political catastrophe for a president. Plus in this case, if his evil FCC machinations went over so poorly that even his own party shut him down on the issue, he'd never hear the end of how he's bought and sold in the next election. Which he shouldn't anyways, but nobody has the brains or balls to make an issue of it.
  • by TWX ( 665546 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:55PM (#6518113)
    If the voting was so incredibly biased, as 400-21 shows, and if the Senate has similarly significant differences with their vote, it would be foolish to veto this. The population is against the media consolidation, and our representatives seem to actually get it, so I hope that the President isn't going to be dumb and try to stop it. He's already unpopular enough...
  • Why is this bad? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jonwil ( 467024 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @10:57PM (#6518123)
    Why is allowing one company to own both a TV station and a newspaper in one location bad. There is almost certainly going to be another TV station and another newspaper available in the area that you can switch to. I think that changing the rules to basicly say "no one company may own more than one of a particular media type (TV, radio, newspaper) in a particular area" would be the ideal way to go. It would stop any one company from owning all the media in one area and would also force companies that already own more than one of a given media type in a given area to sell off some of their extra assets (e.g. clearchannel)
  • Re:"May veto?" (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Petronius ( 515525 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @11:00PM (#6518137)
    This [opensecrets.org] might help. Also, one of CC's big wig worked on Bush Sr.'s campaign (forgot name, heard on today's FreshAir [npr.org]).

  • North Dakota... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Myuu ( 529245 ) <myuu@pojo.com> on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @11:01PM (#6518145) Homepage
    This place is the weird place politically, we are openly and obviously Republican, yet the majory of our 3 reps are Democrats (prob. cause ag and ss). There are so many Christian laws here too, like most businesses cant open before 12 on Sun.

    Yet, every once and a while, there is a suprise, like Dorgan (i think it was) spearheading this effort (read his debate with the head of Fox). And the public shooting down the effort to allow banks for sell personal info (Big Corps advertised like every commercial break in support of the bill).

    Anyway, I reelecting Dorgan (well what theres no green party here :P ).
  • by revscat ( 35618 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @11:25PM (#6518283) Journal

    While it's true that these options may (or may not) have existed a generation ago, it is my considered opinion that most of them are on the fringe, expensive to break into and maintain, and have yet to prove themselves viable.

    I agree. So far as I can tell, the only independent news organization on the web is Salon, and it has barely been able to survive, let alone prosper enough to buy other organizations. Every other news site with original content is just an extension of some other, offline version: newspapers, cable news channels, etc.

    In short, Powell's argument that there are more choices today rings hollow. The Internet has much to be said for it, but levelling the playing field of the media isn't something it has been able to accomplish.

  • Re:it doesn't matter (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Yohahn ( 8680 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @11:33PM (#6518319)
    Also, this dosen't overturn all the rules, if I understand correctly.

    The rules about owning newpapers and radio stations and whatnot still go away.

    Just the limits on station ownership go back.

    Have I understood this correctly?
  • Re:it doesn't matter (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Wyatt Earp ( 1029 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @11:42PM (#6518363)
    The Senate vote is going to be the one that counts.

    The House can't overturn a Presidental Veto, the Senate can. However if the President decides to fight this if there strong anti-FCC feelings in the Senate it could get ugly for him.

    If the Senate can get 50-60 votes for the bill, the President would be wise to sit on his hands and just let it go, there are bigger fish to fry.
  • by gaijin99 ( 143693 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @11:47PM (#6518386) Journal
    Or are you one of those people who labors under the pathetic delusion that unions are interested in and represent the rights of workers?

    Nope, I'm one of those pathetic people who actually studied history and learned how bad it was before unions formed.

    Are unions perfect? Absolutely not. They can, and must, be improved. However a bad union is infinitely superior to no union.

    Go read up on what life was like pre-union. It sucked damn hard. The Rockerfellers of the world were able to pretty much do what they wanted to and no one could stop them. Unions are the only thing that has a proven track record of putting a check on corporate power. Come up with a better idea and I'll back it, but unless you can I'll keep trying to improve unions, not destroy them.

    I will definately agree that *some*, not all, unions have been failing in their primary duty to serve their members. This can be corrected fairly simply through regulation and oversight, it is not necessary to dismantle unions in general.

    My main argument in favor of unions is simple: Where I live (Texas) unions don't have much clout, and wages here are around 20%-30% lower than they are in the average union state. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

  • by gaijin99 ( 143693 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @11:56PM (#6518424) Journal
    so if the senate votes for it with similar margins, the president would be a fool o veto it as it will diminish his political power on the hill.


    no, he will sign it.

    Yup. He doubtless will. And he will doubtless claim that he supported the idea all along. Mr. Bush has a history of opposing popular measures, then claiming that he supported (or invented) them when they are inevitable.

    For example, while he was the Governer of Texas he fought tooth and nail against the Patient's Bill of Rights. Vetoed it once, and allowed it to pass without his signature when it went through the Ledge with a veto-proof majority. Later, during his Presidential campaign, he claimed credit for the bill and listed it was one of his accomplishments as Governer...

    Typical of the man, and typical of the media that not a single reporter called him on it.

  • Re:Amusing (Score:3, Interesting)

    by zenyu ( 248067 ) on Wednesday July 23, 2003 @11:59PM (#6518437)
    It's amusing how the right-wing believes there to be a systematic left-wing bias in the media, and the left-wing believes that the mainstream media distort the news to serve the oligarchical interests of the giant corporations, ie. systematic right-wing bias. I guess that's why the left and right can unite so easily on this issue.

    The bias isn't for left or right, it's against reporting. Reporting is a waste of resources from their point of view. If they all spent some money on discovering the truths and the arguements that underlie the issues we the citizens care about or that effect us but only a few of us know about because we are directly effected then the media companies would have higher because our democracy and economy would function more efficiently. But if any one media outlet begins spending money on reporting they make everyone richer, including their competition.

    There are also issues like access to the populace that they all see in their self-interest to prevent others from getting. NPR is seen as a liberal outlet by some, but they were out front fighting with Clearchannel against micro-broadcasting so it is not classically liberal. The classical liberal view is for the dissemination of ideas not for the protection of a tiny media class, whatever their presumed political point of view. This latest FCC ruling and the DSL killing ruling earlier this year also flew under the radar because it is in the media owners interest to not have competition against their cable modems. This is basic self-interest, which just happens to conflict with the public interest. You see this also when the dis blogs and other internet news sources as somehow having less accurate reporting than even their own. The new copyright laws that take away my property right of lending software or creating a new work that disparagingly references some book of long dead author who voted against Abraham Lincoln, and whose great grandson voted for Adolf Hitler because it is still "owned" by his ancestors. There used to be rules preventing media distributors like the television networks from producing (and hence "owning") televison programs to prevent this type of conflict of interests.

    Well I'm hoping Jefferson was right and ideas are the least amenable things for ownership. Though I hope he wasn't right about the need to take up arms every generation or two to rid ourselves of our own hostile governments.
  • It's not a problem with media consolidation. It's plainly a problem with the press's inability to function without government insider leaks.

    If the news source goes too far with their reporting, the leaks stop and they end up with far less news. So the military sets up Lynch as a war hero to give the troops and public something good to focus on at a time that the military campaign was in the doldrums, the press is going to print that story as told because it would cost the reporter, station, and network too much in future news leaks to research and print the actual story.

    The problem is that the stations are too close to the government, not too close to each other.
  • by whatch durrin ( 563265 ) on Thursday July 24, 2003 @01:08AM (#6518706)
    Unions are obsolete. They had their place 100 years ago.

    We have labor laws today that govern working conditions, minimum wage, safety, etc. These laws are the result of early unions. Today, unions serve no other purpose except to line the pockets of their leaders and control politicians.

    My main argument in favor of unions is simple: Where I live (Texas) unions don't have much clout, and wages here are around 20%-30% lower than they are in the average union state. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

    It does get simpler. You said nothing about cost of living in the respective states. I bet it's a helluva lot cheaper to live in Texas than closed-shop states.

  • by caitsith01 ( 606117 ) on Thursday July 24, 2003 @02:08AM (#6518949) Journal
    I notice that's not stopping her being viewed as some kind of national hero.

    Pretty convenient that she 'can't remember' half of her ordeal (the half where she got 'rescued' from a civilian hospital).
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday July 24, 2003 @02:45AM (#6519049)
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  • by vidarh ( 309115 ) <vidar@hokstad.com> on Thursday July 24, 2003 @04:24AM (#6519339) Homepage Journal
    There is one very compelling reason to restrict media ownership: Freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is irellevant if it is impossible to get speech that deviate from the mainstream out there.

    The US media coverage during the Iraq war, for instance, fully demonstrated how one sided the US media already is - following the war in US and European media (even pro-war European media) one could be excused for thinking one were following two different wars.

    On some issues, "freedom" of speech in the US is like being allowed to whisper while ten people are standing around you screaming through megaphones.

    Allowing more media consolidation means allowing narrow economic interests to control even more of what the public hear, see and read. Talk all you want about how people can choose to read something else - fact is most people don't know whats available outside the mainstream because they're never told about it and never see it, and effectively don't have an opportunity to make the choice because of that.

  • My Prediction (Score:5, Interesting)

    by divide overflow ( 599608 ) on Thursday July 24, 2003 @05:57AM (#6519600)
    I predict that Bush won't veto the bill. Congress has been getting enormous pressure from its constituents to overturn the recent FCC decision. I'm pretty sure the bill will also be passed by the Senate. If Bush then vetoes the bill he'll be putting members of his own party in a difficult position and risk giving his opposition another issue on which he can be attacked in the next election.

    Rather than do that he'll probably back off on his threat to veto the bill, sacrifice the current FCC Chairman Michael Powell, have the next Chairman sabotage the enforcement mechanisms via administrative fiat and creative legislative re-interpretation. And then he'll vow to Big Media to make a full-court press to reinstate the changes...after his re-election.

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