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Even Grues Get Full 135

honestpuck writes "Even Grues Get Full is the fourth and latest collection of cartoons from User Friendly. I got this collection because a friend said the third collection was brilliant 'from cover to cover.' I have to say that this collection did have some exceptionally good moments, but 'from cover to cover,' I think not." Honestpuck's review continues, below.
Even Grues Get Full
author J.D. "Iliad" Frzer
pages 122
publisher O'Reilly
rating 8 - Funny
reviewer Tony Williams
ISBN 0596005660
summary Chock full o' laughs. Funny, didn't split my sides or spit coffee out my nose, but funny

To start, I didn't find the inside title page even worth a smile, the only joke 'Even Grues Get Full' had already been on the front cover and I'd noticed its repetition on the back one as well.

To investigate a little further I read the 'Foreword' by Wil Wheaton. OK, it did have one good Wesley joke but mostly it seemed to be saying how much he didn't mind Iliad making fun of him in the strip.

Then we get to the strips. Yeah, some are funny. I laughed a bit. Iliad certainly knows a good tech joke when he draws one - even if he does seem to make a lot of jokes at the expense of the Windows operating system -- which seems to be a combination of shooting fish in a barrel and politically incorrect making fun of the crippled and lame. However some things are just not funny, Mr Frazer.

What about those cartoons from page 78 to 83. To start off, no self respecting Lego geek with two hundred and seventy million dollars would buy two million sets of Lego Mindstorms. I'd only (sorry, I mean 'He'd only') buy one and a half million to leave cash left over for buying a couple of hundred thousand Lego models of the Millenium Falcon -- I mean, "D'uh!" Oh, and about the cartoon on page 82: missing a 16-wheel cog to complete your project is no laughing matter you know. I don't see what's so amusing about building a missile silo out of Lego either -- I'm going to build a carry box for my cat when I can get enough blue 12 x 1 bricks.

Then there's the series about the visiting MBA. No real geek would fall in love with a woman merely because her name, 'Pearl,' was a homonym for a scripting language - get real. If her name had been 'See' or 'Jarvah,' maybe. But not funny, Iliad.

Frankly, I think this book is full of the usual 'User Friendly' rubbish. Jokes at the expense of those poor users (hey, they don't know any better), clueless management (hey, they don't know any better) and socially disadvantaged and deprived geeks (hey, we don't know any better.) Joking about the outstanding, well-informed and upright citizens that work in the sales and marketing departments of our IT firms and ISPs? Shame on you J.D. Oh, and poking fun at poor Larry Ellison just cause he isn't as rich as Bill is just downright mean.

I think Tim O'Reilly should be ashamed to publish this book. I guess the only reason he does is that Iliad hasn't poked fun at him (yet).

I wouldn't recommend this book to anyone. It's just chock full of jokes that only a Linux-loving geek could find funny. Cartoons full of references that only a Perl programming geek would understand. I didn't learn a single thing about programming in C# for .NET ot the latest protocols used in Active Directories -- a totally useless tech book, really.

Look, just go to the User Friendly web site and see some more recent examples from this deeply disturbed cartoonist, or go to the O'Reilly book page and check out a few strips from the book itself and you will agree with me.


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  • Re:WTF (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Tyler Durden ( 136036 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @01:39PM (#7184693)
    I think the reviewer was trying to be funny. Seeing as how he wasn't, I'm not surprised that you missed it.
  • Re:WTF (Score:2, Insightful)

    by woozlewuzzle ( 532172 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @01:42PM (#7184716)
    Looks less like a book review and more like the reviewer is just trying to dole out his/her own perls of humor.

    Sorry, not impressed.
  • Re:grow some balls (Score:2, Insightful)

    by rootofevil ( 188401 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @01:43PM (#7184718) Homepage Journal
    this [reference.com] should clear some things up for you
  • 9/11 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by wideBlueSkies ( 618979 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @01:44PM (#7184727) Journal
    Did they include that sappy 9/11 cartoon in this book? The one with the geek hugging Dust Puppy?

    I suppose Illiad was trying to do 'something' to make note of the horror of that day, but I found that particular strip to be..well kind of stupid.

    wbs.
  • Oh my god ... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by trampel ( 464001 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @01:51PM (#7184764) Homepage
    Has no one so far got the subtle humor of the review?

    He obviously loves the book!
  • by CyberKnet ( 184349 ) <<slashdot> <at> <cyberknet.net>> on Friday October 10, 2003 @01:56PM (#7184784) Homepage Journal
    By the look of comments so far, there seem to be quite a few people with malfunctioning sarcasm sensors today.

    So, for the sensor deprived: Wrap the entire text in a <SARCASM> tag, and you'll be able to enjoy it much more fully.
  • What? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Prince_Ali ( 614163 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @01:57PM (#7184786) Journal
    They are giving the comics away. Look at the friggin website! Do you want them to give actual physical books away? If so, I hope you never try to run a business.
  • by .@. ( 21735 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @02:00PM (#7184803) Homepage
    ...that the book is funnier than the review.

    No, I'm not humor or sarcasm-impaired. I just think that was the most craptacular review I've ever read. Unfunny, heavy-handed sarcasm does not a review make.

    What? Iliad writes about Linux? He makes fun of Windows? Say it isn't so! We NEVER would have known that without this insightful review.

    What's next, a /. review of RedHat that spends five paragraphs explaining what Linux is to us? Preacher, meet choir. Choir, preacher. Go get acquainted.
  • by pecosdave ( 536896 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @02:39PM (#7184988) Homepage Journal
    I don't know if I want to do a victory dance for a good review, criticize you for being closed minded, or agree with you for pointing out some obvious but real problems.
  • by _bug_ ( 112702 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @03:02PM (#7185136) Journal
    By the look of comments so far, there seem to be quite a few people with malfunctioning sarcasm sensors today.

    No. I think that the author was trying to be sarcastic but a lot of people agree that UF is crap exactly for the same reasons the review's author gives.

    Every web comic I've ever been to has seen the artist grow and get increasingly better as time progressed. Illiad... I just don't know what's retarding his growth, artistically, but the look of the comic alone is of such repetitive, low quality that any good writing is being horribly overshadowed by the bad art.

    And I think Illiad misses the funny more often than not as well. There's only so many jokes you can make about geek-dom before it's gets really old. It's like when your cousin Bob starts spouting "floppy/hard drive" jokes thinking he's discovered an untapped resource for hilarity.

    There's the antiquated comparison between UF and Penny Arcade that seems to come up every time and gets ignored every time because it's been said before.

    But I just want to point out that Penny Arcade actually does go outside the realm of gaming. In fact there have been several weeks in a row where little actual gaming-related comics are written.

    I don't see that in UF at all. No attempt at broadening the subject matter or expanding into new perspectives.

    There's just no growth and without growth things get boring.
  • by Rogerborg ( 306625 ) on Friday October 10, 2003 @03:44PM (#7185431) Homepage

    The artwork is sloppy, the stories repetitive, the characters mere sketches. But you could say the same about Dilbert. The difference is that back in the heady pre-crash days, User Friendly showed a more optimistic, happier, fuzzier world, populated by and aimed at college geeks that never really grew up. It provided an antidote to the cynicism of Dilbert, and in the days when money hoses got turned on ever nerd with a vision, it was going to be just the core of a huge multimedia empire, run by the forces of good.

    But then the market tanked, and everything changed. The audience of User Friendly found themselves losing their jobs left right and centre. The company behind it - composed of one lousy artist, a web guy, and a bunch of marketing parasites - found that you can't pay ten mortgages if you're giving the goods away. Most of the staff got laid off, and User Friendly went bitter.

    I don't just mean the strip, I mean the whole community around it. Illiad got real brittle, real fast. Posting constructive criticism on the discussion boards got your account wiped, no warnings. The remaining zealots on the boards went passive-aggressive, and savaged anything that didn't fit in with their self congratulatory circle jerking.

    Worse, post 9-11, User Friendly went maudlin. It's bad enough when cartoonists try to cover serious issues, but when they do it with smug ABC style flag worshipping patriotism teamed with really crappy art, it just gets embarrassing.

    User Friendly is now in its death throes. There are about two dozen characters drifting in and out of it (a new one was added this week), and none of them are particularly well realised. If you can't think of anything funny to do with the characters you've got, adding new ones probably isn't the solution.

    It all looked so hopeful, but now a week of User Friendly might - on a good week - give you the same amount of smirk as one day of Dilbert. I guess Illiad has figured out by now that Dilbert shows the tech world as it really is, but he never figured out how to portray that in a funny way. It's sad really, but all childhood things must pass.

  • UF (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 10, 2003 @05:29PM (#7185996)
    Earth to nerds, Earth to nerds: User Friendly hasn't been funny for at least 4 years now.
  • In other news, he recommends the latest Disney film to Disney fans and the latest Danielle Steele to Danielle Steele fans. KISS fans may like the new KISS record, and I hear that cat fanciers often FANCY CATS.

    I mean, fuck, slashdot won't post my stories but they post this crap? An unfunny, rambling review of an unfunny, divisive comic strip? Maybe instead of asking intriguing philosophical questions like "What is the proper way to tell my boss that I have failed a task," I should submit my review of the latest Hieroglyphics album, (which you will probably like if you liked the last one).

    I'll get right on that. In the meantime, I recommend all User Friendly fans fuck off and die. Maybe if you tried understanding WHY somebody doesn't know how to use the computer rather than making fun of HOW they messed it up, we'd have fewer Nick Burns clones in IT and fewer jobs slipping overseas.

    Or maybe it's the ID 10 T virus. Haw haw.

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