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BBC to Try TV On Demand 533

Shevek writes "The UK Independent newspaper is reporting on a new BBC trial: 'Later this month, the BBC will launch a pilot project that could lead to all television programmes being made available on the internet. Viewers will be able to scan an online guide and download any show. Programmes would be viewed on a computer screen or could be burned to a DVD and watched on a television set. Alternatively, programmes could be downloaded to a Personal Digital Assistant (PDA) ... By launching iMP, the BBC hopes to avoid being left at the mercy of a software giant such as Microsoft, which could try to control the gateway to online television.' Yet more proof that the BBC license fee is an unmitigated Good Thing(TM)."
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BBC to Try TV On Demand

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  • by Grant29 ( 701796 ) * on Monday May 03, 2004 @12:55PM (#9041804) Homepage
    TV on demand is the future, once you get a taste of it, it's hard to go back.. Luckily for the content providers, TIVO and ReplayTV have already demonstrated the market. Sure TIVO isn't really TV on demand, but it helped define the market.

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    Hot deals! [retailretreat.com]
  • great gravy (Score:0, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 03, 2004 @12:55PM (#9041816)
    I've been watching movies-on-demand for almost 2 years now. (time warner)

    so yeah, this technology isnt exactly new. well mabye for the bbc anyways.
  • They already have... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by bcmm ( 768152 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @12:56PM (#9041818)
    the bbc already has a thing for the latest news, at reasonable quality. news.bbc.org.uk
  • by GraWil ( 571101 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @12:56PM (#9041823)
    I lived in the UK for 4 years and just returned to Canada. I only wish the CBC was as good as the BBC. I do find their style of news to be way to similar to the big, sensational US news outlets but, otherwise, the content is great! Heck, I'd probably even pay my license fee from Canada!
  • Interesting... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by lindec ( 771045 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @12:59PM (#9041860) Homepage
    This is an interesting move, especially considering the events transpiring regarding digital televion, TV ripping and the like. I find it refreshing and interesting that while the recording industries (namely the MPAA) push broadcast flag legislation through, in an attempt to end behavior like this, the BBC makes it computer viewable. Also, sites that are providing ED2K links and torrents to TV Rips are beginning to feel the wrath of the DMCA, so I wonder how much this will change things? Probably not much... but hey, I try to be optimistic.
  • by garcia ( 6573 ) * on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:00PM (#9041875)
    what helped define the market for me was BitTorrent. There was nothing like being able to download TV shows from the night before while at work, and watch them during the time of day when all that is on are reruns of older shows.

    I was able to watch them without interruption, in great quality (as I refuse to subscribe to CATV or buy a double-fucking digital receiver), at my choice of when to watch it.

    I really think that it would be an excellent idea for it to be brought here and used by the major networks. I suppose they would never accept it because of the possible loss in ad revenues... Sad really.
  • Great idea! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Orion Blastar ( 457579 ) <orionblastar AT gmail DOT com> on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:01PM (#9041881) Homepage Journal
    That way I can watch just the BBC shows I like and only pay for what I want to watch.

    No more paying for Video Tape or DVD copies of BBC shows and waiting for them to ship. Just pay and download, and then burn my own copy to a Video CD or DVD disk. I guess they have controls so that only one copy can be burned?

    Video Rental stores ought to get into this gig, get the license to distribute the movies digitally and sell them on their website.

    Might as well, would be a much better quality than those idiots who bring video cameras to movie theatres and then upload those videos to file sharing networks. ;)
  • by flyingdisc ( 598575 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:01PM (#9041892)
    In the UK, if you own a TV you are required by law the pay the 100 pound licence fee each year. Only if you are able to demonstrate that you don't own a TV are the fees waived.

    This will raise some intersting questions: Apart from resulting in nonTV owners (and hence non licience payers) accessing the BBC it would this not lead to much wider dissemination of the BBC TV outside the UK. Wouldn't this damage the existing syndication relationships that the BBC has set up. I am amased that any broadcaster risk distribution over the internet. Certainty thinking outside the box.

  • Read Slashdot Often? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:03PM (#9041911)
    You might be interested in /.'s BBC coverage from last week then, in which the BBC has created an open source, wavelet-based codec which ramps from low to high throughput with better than MPEG2 video quality.
  • by ckathens ( 631781 ) <seekay303.yahoo@com> on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:04PM (#9041939)
    I'm a big fan of BBC programming and reguarly download it from the Usenet currently (recent favorites: The Office and The Worst Week of My Life). Because this is based on UK licensing fees, I wonder if it will be available to those of us in the rest of the world? Or perhaps we can pay a small fee to be able to download these episodes as well? This is the way I hope TV is going. My schedule is such that I am in bed before most of the prime time TV is on so the only way to watch it is to download it (or get one of those TiVOs).
  • bit torrent (Score:5, Interesting)

    by WormholeFiend ( 674934 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:06PM (#9041968)
    why not provide shows on bit torrent?

    is it because it's harder to advertise?

    would people be offended by short adverts played at the beginning of the video files? (eg This Bit Torrent file is brought to you by...)

    networks could distribute the seeds across their affiliates to reduce bandwidth cost, etc.
  • by l-ascorbic ( 200822 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:08PM (#9041987)
    This is The Independent, one of the major newspapers in the UK. That's like mirroring the New York Times.
  • by tizzyD ( 577098 ) <tizzyd AT gmail DOT com> on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:09PM (#9041999) Homepage
    I can only hope that this service gets extended to a wider (hint hint nudge nudge -- read US) audience. As a subscriber to BBC America and frequent traveller to the UK, all I can say is that BBC America is a sad and poor rip-off. I want the bite only the BBC can make, including "Have I Got News For You," "England's Dirtiest Homes," and real comedy like the original "Coupling" (not to be confused with the absurb American pap they tried to sell us over here).

    If it doesn't, I'm going to set up a home-made video box over there just to record stuff, so that I can download it to my PC. "Footballers' Wives", here I come.

  • by TexVex ( 669445 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:09PM (#9042000)
    I used to use TiVo, and now I use a homebrew system built around SageTV [www.sage.tv]. The thing continuously records TV from my cable box. Whenever possible it grabs shows off my "favorites" list. Over time it builds up a library, because not only does it go after first runs of my preferred shows, but it gets reruns as well.

    Because you can fast-forward through commercials, over time I've gotten in the habit of never bothering to watch TV "live". Instead, I just let it record and whenever I feel in the mood I go catch up on some of my TV watching. While this is not TV "on demand" is is definitely the next best thing. I always have a huge selection of things in the library to watch. It's more like "on demand with limited selection based on configurable preferences".

    All that being said, I can place a dollar value on on-demand television, based on what I pay per month for my cable service and how many shows I watch per month. I would happily pay $1 per hour of standard network/cable network TV if I could have it on demand and commerical-free, $2 per episode of premium-channel series shows (like Dead Like Me or Deadwood or Carnivale), $3 for a movie, and $4 for a new release movie.
  • Great but a pity (Score:3, Interesting)

    by skinfitz ( 564041 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:10PM (#9042010) Journal
    Yet more proof that the BBC license fee is an unmitigated Good Thing(TM).

    Just a pity they can't leave people the fuck alone if they don't want it. [marmalade.net]
  • ms drm (Score:4, Interesting)

    by maharg ( 182366 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:17PM (#9042090) Homepage Journal
    from
    http://p2p.weblogsinc.com/entry/6729473382759138 / :



    The most significant revelations were concerning the protection of the content. All content will be DRM'd, only available for a limited period time, once downloaded. As expected, it will also only be available to UK broadband users. In a break with the BBC's long-standing support of Real, Microsoft DRM will be used for the technical trial, but it appears that no final decision has been made.

    As was known previously, the EPG (Electronic Programming Guide) will cover fourteen days; seven looking forward and seven backward. The programs that have been broadcasted will be downloadable to the computer simply by clicking on them. A preview of a piece can be watched before committing to download a complete show.

  • by Sabalon ( 1684 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:18PM (#9042099)
    I agree. I don't know why no cable company has worked out a deal with the Beeb yet to carry BBC1, BBC2, etc... I'm sure they could work out the financial details.

    BBC America is a joke. It's like PBS with commercials.
  • by iiioxx ( 610652 ) <iiioxx@gmail.com> on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:19PM (#9042112)
    Man, I hope this catches on in the U.S. with cable stations like Comedy Central and the Sci-Fi Channel. Those two and a handful of others are the only reason I still subscribe to cable. And it pisses me off to no end that I have to pay $40/month for a "standard package" which includes 60 or so channels I DON'T watch.

    Individual cable broadcast companies taking this initiative will bring about the same effect as the a la carte cable service many Americans have been asking for. Anyone with broadband Internet access will have access to only the shows they want, on demand, and priced individually.

  • Re:me too. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by l-ascorbic ( 200822 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:27PM (#9042210)
    Father Ted is Channel 4 [channel4.com]. BBC America distributes it under license. Incidentally, C4 is also partially publicly funded and has a public service remit, though they show ads unlike the beeb.
  • Re:Yeah, (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Attaturk ( 695988 ) * on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:30PM (#9042242) Homepage
    This will probably turn into a bit of an off-topic rant so feel free to mod me down if you like but this is a good a chance as any to get this off my chest.

    Firstly the qualification: I'm a Brit - and I'm far from an anti-American one, although that sort of thing is definitely on the increase over here.

    As flippant as it was, the parent poster actually has a point. On top of my taxes I pay a license fee so that the BBC can provide its (undeniably) excellent services to the world. Its largely English language services of course benefit the U.S. as much, if not more than they do the U.K. Perhaps all the more so given the ubiquity and uniformity of corporate media power on that side of the pond.

    And so to the rant: At the moment my country does pretty much exactly what the Whitehouse (and Whitehouse-friendly corporations) want or tell it to do. But I can't vote for the president. So, since us Brits can't vote for our 'president' and, in more ways than this simple example, pay taxes and provide services for the whole English-speaking world, with very little in the form of reciprocation, is it any wonder that people over here are beginning to question the so-called 'special relationship'?

    Someone on /. recently had a dig at my pro-Kerry sig when they realised that I wasn't an American Citizen. I think the jist of it was: "If you want to influence our election, come to the U.S. and become a Citizen." That was probably my main motivation for this rant. Britons haven't served a foreign ruler in such a capacity since the Roman Empire. The least us non-Citizen class provincial Romans can do these days is appeal to those that live in Rome and ask that they carry our thoughts back to the Senate/Emperor.

    Right, that's the rant over - thanks for your indulgence.

    Now back on-topic:
    That's great! But even if every one of the UK'S 60 million or so individuals (including kids etc.) paid a license fee, that still wouldn't pay for hosting the BBC's entire video output at broadband quality for the entire global English-speaking world. Hopefully non-U.K. based clients will have to pay some form of fee, perhaps even a subscription, to help pay for these services.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:33PM (#9042286)
    I just paid mine. For crying out loud. A good thing for *you* perhaps Mr American. I don't even watch BBC TV very often, I really only turn on the box for Sky Football and few other odds and ends. Theres no way I watch 10 quid a month's worth of BBC (equivalent to x3 pay-per-view films).
  • I think I speak for (Score:2, Interesting)

    by BlightThePower ( 663950 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:40PM (#9042356)
    all the British men (and boys for that matter) reading this story today. Sounds like an interesting idea.

    *But* stop wasting the license fee on silly shit like this and get us Premiership Football back on our screens. When I can settle down to Liverpool vs. Middlesborough without having the dread hand of Robert Murdoch in my wallet, then we can talk innovation and about a shiny bright little future.

    The BBC have no sense of what the priorities of 30 million of their customers are.

  • by RonnyJ ( 651856 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:43PM (#9042405)
    Even though a lot of popular American programs are available illegally on the net, there isn't currently a reliable way to get BBC-produced TV programs (although I'm sure they do exist, they're just nowhere near as common). Even if they were though, the fact remains that most current TV downloads are illegal. As a BBC license-fee payer, I would love to be able to obtain episodes legally like this, and it's good to see that the BBC seems to have their customers interests in mind.
  • I want my EastEnders (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mgkimsal2 ( 200677 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:44PM (#9042407) Homepage
    and if this is the best way to get it, I'm all for it.

    BBC - PLEASE make EE available via a pay-for mechanism (reasonable pricing please!) to those of us outside the UK. Your namesake BBCAmerica has seen fit to cancel it last year, ensuring that pretty much everything on that channel is something they can rerun 100 times a month (changing rooms, ground force, etc). If they could rerun one month of news programming for a full year to keep costs down they'd probably do that too.

    I'm sure there are *many* people outside the UK willing to pay $150/year for downloadable EE.

    (I can't believe Laura just died either!)

    What I don't get is with programs like EE, why *not* sell them online? They're just sitting on a shelf. It's just something which is costing them money to archive, and it's never replayed again (maybe on UK Gold now, but certainly not anywhere outside the UK on a regular basis).
  • by t_allardyce ( 48447 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @01:54PM (#9042545) Journal
    Screw that, if you want football pay for it your self. BBC should be putting money into actual useful things, not wasting it on over-inflated royalty fees and eventually footballers wallets. Just because the masses want something doesnt mean the BBC has to listen, it doesnt work like that, thats what a commercial station is for.
  • Re:Pax Britannia (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 03, 2004 @02:12PM (#9042753)
    "A half-century of practicing free trade while the US and Germany errected heavy tariffs on imports."

    In other words, the UK practiced lassez faire capitalism (which an astonishing number of people on /. advocate) while the US and Germany offered state support to private indistry, also known as fascism.

    "Fighting two costly world wars that the United States waited until the very end to jump into."

    The US supported both sides of more precisely. IBM, Ford, GM, Coca-Cola are all companies that traded with Germany at the same time as the Allied countries.

    "The rise of the US as a superpower."

    Which was only possible because the USA never suffered any damage to the countrys' infrastructure (apart from Pearl Harbour) and was thus able to loan money (at exhorbtant rates) to the Eurpoean countries, including the UK.

    "Colonial unrest."

    Translation: realisation that the dumb white folk from across the sea aren't here to help us at all but to exploit us. For a contempory example, see Iraq.

    "The constant flirtations with socializing industry post WWII."

    As alluded to above, what you're describing isn't socialism but fascism.
  • by lxt ( 724570 ) on Monday May 03, 2004 @02:18PM (#9042834) Journal
    I should point out the UK Writers Guild (not the American Writers Guild) is extremely pissed off about this move, because writers won't be getting repeat fees (which can be a large source of income). However, the British Guild has far less power than the American one, meaning not much action can take place over the programmes on demand...
  • Re:Pax Britannia (Score:4, Interesting)

    by The Lynxpro ( 657990 ) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [orpxnyl]> on Monday May 03, 2004 @03:14PM (#9043505)
    "As alluded to above, what you're describing isn't socialism but fascism."

    No. German fascism built better quality cars than the Jaguars and the MGs of the 1970s. Lumping the British experiment under the various Labour governments pre-Thatcher gives the German experiment (Mercedes-Benz, VW, BMW) a bad name if that can ever be possible (excluding all the other tidbits - war crimes and all).

    "Translation: realisation that the dumb white folk from across the sea aren't here to help us at all but to exploit us. For a contempory example, see Iraq."

    Not at all. If the end of colonialism proved one thing, it was the British Empire's administrative skills were better than the native populaces that it ruled for the most part. See the nuclear problem that is the India/Pakistani dilemma. India's population boomed under British rule because of the advent of Western medicine and technology. Then look at the economic slide the country took after independence and the application of Stalinist economic principles up until the tech boom and the appreciation of capitalism in the 1990s. How about in Africa? Are the people of Zimbabwe better off under Robert Mugabe than they were under British administration? What about Hong Kong under the People's Republic of China? After all, if the PRC were so good to Hong Kong, the Taiwanese populace would be demanding reunification now.

    The areas the Empire "effed up" were with Palestine and the place formerly known as the British North American Colonies that is now known as the United States. Losing the colonies to the radicals known as the "Sons of Liberty" (SOL) has to be Britain's greatest cluster f*** since the SOL didn't have a leg to stand on when weighing the evidence. Palestine was a no-win situation following the discoveries of the Nazi attrocities in WWII. I'll also add the failure to adopt "Home Rule" in Ireland as the third biggest mistake and the area Benjamin Disraeli was incorrect on.

    "In other words, the UK practiced lassez faire capitalism (which an astonishing number of people on /. advocate) while the US and Germany offered state support to private indistry, also known as fascism."

    No. That's not what I am saying. Germany was not fascist prior to WWI. Sure, businesses tied to military procurement did do well following German unification under Bismarck, but it was not fascist. Great Britain was a free-trader at the time, but Germany preferred enacting heavy tariffs on foreign goods so that German industry would be protected. That's the textbook definition of protectionism in application. The same goes for the US during that same era. Couple both those countries with the outpouring of British capital looking for the next area to profit, and that is what created the two largest trading competitors to what had previously been known as the "factory of the world," Great Britain. That is also how the railroads of Germany and the United States were funded. It is ironic that British capital funded two of the major reasons why the British Empire no longer exists. Of course, that is what the "Little Englanders" wanted all along.

  • by isorox ( 205688 ) on Tuesday May 04, 2004 @03:23AM (#9049056) Homepage Journal
    No, things havent changed too much. As a BBC Tech in News Support, in the last 6 months I've spent 15 weeks on training courses worth over $25k at the current exchange rates, the job security is unparalleled too, but yes, wages suck, and the bulk of the BBC is based in London :(

    Somehow I doubt I'll be one of the 500 to get a free PDA though, however I look forward to a surprise email when I get into work :D
  • by irw ( 204684 ) on Wednesday May 05, 2004 @11:02AM (#9063711)
    >what are the problems with it that make people in Britain so reluctant to join?

    The EU needs to be large in order to be effective. However, the enlargement drains the larger economies to benefit of the smaller ones. At this moment, the UK economy is the strongest in Europe (Germany is still struggling with the deadweight of reunification).

    Previous attempts at economic glue - viz the exchange rate mechanism - placed enormous strain on the UK and showed just how unbalanced things are.

    Another problem to manifest is the ludicrous inflation Ireland experienced (which they appear willing to endure as they really *do* benefit from the EU slush funds they're using to build roads).

    The very *last* member of the EU to "cry foul" when things are going seriously wrong is the UK - too much of this stiff upper lip nonsense.

    The EU *needs* the economic resources of the UK but very few other members (particularly not the French, who're the ultimate driving force behind the EU) will think twice about enacting legislation which hurts the UK if it benefits themselves.

    Increasing numbers of people in the UK are simply brassed off because this is *supposed* to be a two-way street.

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