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I, Robot Hits the Theaters 639

tyleremerson writes "With today's film release of "I, Robot," the Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence has launched a new website, 3 Laws Unsafe. 3 Laws Unsafe explores the non-fictional problems presented by Isaac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics. The Three Laws are widely known and are often taken seriously as reasonable solutions for guiding future AI. But are they truly reasonable? 3 Laws Unsafe tries to address this question." Reader Rob Carr has submitted a review of the movie, below, that he promises is spoiler-free.

I, Robot: A Movie Review that's 3 Laws (and Spoiler) Safe!

A movie review by Rob Carr

Thanks to Eide's Entertainment I got to see I, Robot tonight. As someone who grew up with Isaac Asimov's robot stories, I've come to expect a mystery based on the implications of the 3 Laws of Robotics (or the lack of one or part of one of those laws), the "Frankenstein Complex," and Dr. Susan Calvin. I was afraid that the movie might miss out on this, especially since it's not a direct adaptation of the book, but "inspired" by the Good Doctor Asimov.

The movie met my expectations and more. Will Smith, whom we all know as an overconfident smart@$$ character from such movies as "Independence Day" and the two "Men in Black" movies, played a somewhat less confident and far less wisecracking character. It was a welcome change to see him less confident. Yeah, some of the stunts were a little absurd (am I the only one thinking of Gemini 8 at one point in the movie?) but that's to be expected from this type of movie. Bridget Moynahan was far too young to be the Susan Calvin I remember, but that's also to be expected in this type of movie. James Cromwell (whom you'll all remember from Star Trek: First Contact and Enterprise's "Broken Bow" episode as Dr. Zefram Cochrane) gave a flat performance - but that's actually a complement. I doubt anyone will recognize Wash from "Firefly" as an important robot in the story.

It's customary to comment on how well the CGI was done. I liked it, but then again, I'm not hypercritical on something like that. I did wonder a little bit about center of balance as some of the robots walked, but mostly I didn't think about it at all, which to me is the goal of CGI. I did wonder about children's fingers getting caught in some of the open gaps on the robot's bodies. Real world models would have a bit more covering, one would think. But that's being picky.

I have no memory of the soundtrack music. That in and of itself might say something. I'm a musician, but it just didn't register.

I figured out some clues, missed some others, and was surprised several times in the movie. There were a lot of clues - this isn't one of those mysteries where the answer is pulled out of the writer's a...out of thin air.

I'm not a complete continuity freak, so I can't tell if the movie violated any of Asimov's universe, but from what I can remember, it fits pretty well (if you ignore Dr. Calvin's age) and might even explain a few things.

Given that even some of the geeks in the audience were surprised to find out that there was a book of stories just like the movie, I think the movie will hopefully bring Asimov's stories to a new generation.

I liked "I, Robot. It's worth seeing, especially if you 've already seen Spider-Man 2 at least once. It's a pretty good (though not great) movie.

Having read Slashdot for a while, I know that there are folks out there who will despise this movie because it's not exactly like the book. Others will hate the movie or worship it, and loads of people are going to savage this review. You know what? That's fine with me. I had fun with this movie, had a nice date with my wife, and it didn't cost anything. I even had fun typing up this review. You're allowed to be different and to agree or disagree with me. Heck, that's a big chunk of what makes the world fun. Interestingly, it's even a small point in the movie. I'd say more, but that would be telling."

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I, Robot Hits the Theaters

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  • Robots and Empire (Score:3, Informative)

    by enforcer999 ( 733591 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @12:57PM (#9718043) Journal
    Thanks for the review. This gives me hope that it will be a decent movie! I have recently reread the Robot series and truly love Asimov's work. BTW, in his book Roberts and Empire, Asimov makes it pretty clear that the "Three Laws" may not be very safe after all.
  • by John Macdonald ( 40981 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:01PM (#9718106)
    I'm not a complete continuity freak, so I can't tell if the movie violated any of Asimov's universe, but from what I can remember, it fits pretty well (if you ignore Dr. Calvin's age) and might even explain a few things.


    That makes it a perfect fit, since Asimov himself was not a complete continuity freak and was not concerned if one of his stories violated incidental issues in any of his previous stories. (He quoted Emerson "A foolish consistancy is the hobgoblin of little minds.".)

  • Re:butchering asimov (Score:5, Informative)

    by Efreet ( 246368 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:05PM (#9718178)
    Yeah, they had the writes, but their title to them was running out soon, so they looked around to see if they had a script handy that they could make into a I Robot movie. Sure enough, a script called Hard Wired fit the bill, and after some cosmetic changes thats the movie in thearters now.
  • Some spoilers (Score:4, Informative)

    by Fubar411 ( 562908 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:11PM (#9718284)
    First off, you don't get the Markie Mark full frontal that people had talked about. The Fresh Prince spends some time in the shower, but no salami... His character, Spoon hates Robots, mostly because one chose to save him rather than a 14 year-old girl from drowing. Their cold calculating nature disturbs him. Now for the huge spoilers...you've been warned. This is both a detective whodunnit and a robots take over the world movie. The robots do their best to kill Will and cover up the evidence so he appears dilusional. There are a bunch of very clever moments where you realize that whoever is pulling the strings is sadistic and calculating. For example, Spoon's elderly mom wins a special edition gold NS-5 in the lottery, right when Will realizes the robots are out to get him. There are moments where it borrows from the i-told-you-so genre of cop movies. His chief takes away his badge, the other officers mock him for thinking outside the box, etc. The robot that might have killed the USR scientist, Sonny, has a very developed character. Even Spoon ends up liking him. This film depends a lot on the Ghost in the Machine philosophy. In fact, there are two positronic brains in this film that don't mind bending the almighty three rules. Yes, everyone swore that the 3 rules were infallible, but they do get broken. One as a result of "evolution", the other because its creator gave it free will. This was an incredible film, definitely will be going in my collection when it comes out on DVD. It was part Minority Report, part Matrix 1. My prediction is a majority of positive reviews. Thanks for reading, hope you were entertained a little. Sorry if I gave too much away....
  • by LePrince ( 604021 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:11PM (#9718285)
    Why the hell the Asimov estate consented to let this drivel be filmed is beyond me.

    I'm sad to say this, but I have one word for you : cash. Nothing else than cold hard cash I am sure.

    I'm somewhat saddened by the fact that a Asimov book is getting put on screen with Wil Smith as main actor, but hey, that pleases the masses. I will go see it and take it for what it is (good entertainment, nothing more)... Not that I have read the book, but I plan to do it in the near future.

    There have been several semi-good or plain bad movies about some of my childhoold heroes... I can think of Scooby-Doo, Garfield, Daredevil, Hulk... But then, there were some pretty good adaptations of my childhood heroes (X-Men, Spiderman)... But I would love it if Hollywood could stop destroying my childhood memories by putting out crap movies like Scooby.

  • Re:3 Laws Unsafe. (Score:3, Informative)

    by Alizarin Erythrosin ( 457981 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:13PM (#9718306)
    Did you even look around the site? On their front page it even says, right at the top:

    Is it possible to create ethical AI based on the Three Laws? Is it ethical to create ethical AI based on the Three Laws? What other solutions have been proposed for the problem? These questions are explored in our Articles Section. The articles give perspective on why the field of AI ethics is crucial, and why Asimov's Laws are simply its beginning.

    And here's a direct link right to the articles! [asimovlaws.com] Wow! Reading is fun!
  • by dreamer-of-rules ( 794070 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:16PM (#9718360)
    I heard this on TV a while back, but moviepoopchute.com has more details on the history of the script for I, Robot. The short answer, Asimov-isms were only sprinkled in after the script was written, so if you watch this expecting Asimov, you'll be sorely disappointed.

    Non-spoiler excerpts:

    "I, ROBOT started out as a spec script from then-unknown writer Jeff Vintar titled HARDWIRED. ... Proyas was signed and the project began to get a head of steam.

    "Shortly thereafter, Fox acquired the rights to the I, ROBOT series (and eventually also Asimov's other classic, "The Foundation") and decided to take Vintar's script and incorporate many of the ideas from Asimov's book..."

    "...Around late 2002/early 2003, Academy Award-winner Akiva Goldsman was brought in, along with INSOMNIA writer Hilary Seitz, for a polish, making the transition from HARDWIRED to I, ROBOT complete."

    SPOILERS in the article!

    The Bottom of Things [moviepoopshoot.com] by Michael Sampson

  • ugh. (Score:3, Informative)

    by michael path ( 94586 ) * on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:18PM (#9718386) Homepage Journal
    I caught an advance screening of this movie earlier in the week.

    For those who actually care about it for legit sci-fi content, this will prove a waste of your time. This is an action film. A Will Smith Action film (tm).

    Will Smith comic relief is in place, and unfortunately served no good here (he discusses his Bullshit Detector going off? surely, Asimov wasn't aware of the device). The movie is essentially dumbed down for the same audience who though ID4 was a groundbreaking masterpiece.

    Moreover, the omission of a cool summertime jam featuring the Fresh Prince himself only hurt the movie. Couldn't we have had a "Keep Ya Ass In Motion" or something?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:18PM (#9718403)
    Don't dumb it down. It's a brilliant essay on the role of a military in a democratic society. The power armor and grenades are secondary.
  • Re:A dissapointment (Score:3, Informative)

    by foistboinder ( 99286 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:20PM (#9718433) Homepage Journal
    Has anybody who has seen the movie ALSO read the script that IASFM printed back in 1984?

    FWIW, there's no relationship between Harlan Ellison's script and the current I, Robot movie.

  • by gr8_phk ( 621180 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:23PM (#9718471)
    There already is an arcade game called I, Robot from 1984. The first game to use 3D solid models with flat shaded polygons. The next one was about 4-5 years later. 500 sold, several hardware problems, not popular, mostly converted/destroyed. IMHO a great arcade game. BTW, there is a MAME driver for it - John M., I still don't know how you reverse engineered that rasterizer and MathBox blindly ;-)
  • Who did it in "The Humanoids".

    Robot who can't let you be harmed by inaction...lessee, master, you can't use that circular saw, and driving is *dangerous*, and... so we'll just treat you like five-year-olds....

    mark
  • by base_chakra ( 230686 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:24PM (#9718485)
    In "One Law To Rule Them All" Michael Ames writes:
    Asimov's phrase, "allow a human being to come to harm," if implemented fully, would turn humanity into a clutch of coddled infants, perpetually protected from harm, both physical and mental.

    In evaluating what constitutes "mental harm", it seems to me that one must apply a cultural standard. For example, many American conservatives regard images of nudity as damaging to children, rather than vital for well-adjustment. In other cultures there is a great variety of words and images regarded as harmful which are innocuous in other contexts. To apply the First Law consummately, we must allow for acculturation, but there are sure to be serious conflicts (what protects one will inadvertantly harm enough by a different standard).

    Let's consider the mechanics of "protection from harm." Asimov seemed to indicate a direct reaction to an immediate situation, but surely a protective impulse is bound to be frequently disastrous if it lacks such critical skills as foresight, an ability to extrapolate based on extremely subtle information, and the need for non-action. In fact, this very principle of direct reaction is itself culturally situated: direct communicators tend to seek unambiguous solutions to immediate "problems"; contrast with the Taoist principle of wu wei [sacred-texts.com].
  • He did touch on this (Score:3, Informative)

    by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) * on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:26PM (#9718524)
    I'm not sure how you didn't get it out of the review, but he cleared it up for me - elements of mystery? Right there that indicates far more depth than the preview showed. That there is a mystery at all and the robots don't start crawling all over everything in the first ten minutes is welcome news.
  • 'The Humanoids' (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:31PM (#9718586)
    Having seen this at a press screening a couple of days ago (it was a lot better than I was expecting - not great, but fairly decent), my first thought after the final plot revelation was that there should have been an additional credit:

    'Suggested by Jack Williamson's book The Humanoids'

    If you've read this book, you'll know exactly *why* the robots are able to harm humans and get away with it. Asimov touched on it in some of his later books with the Zeroeth Law, but Williamson's novel has the same robotic reasoning as this movie. (The other thing the movie has in common with The Humanoids, rather than Asimov's stories, is that the reasoning is a Very Bad Thing That Must Be Fought, whereas Asimov presented the Zeroeth Law at least partly as a good thing for humanity...)

  • by Marxist Hacker 42 ( 638312 ) <seebert42@gmail.com> on Friday July 16, 2004 @01:34PM (#9718635) Homepage Journal
    The original editor of Astounding Science Fiction Magazine (back in the 1930s, when a young teenage Issac Asimov was first writing) had this order to his universe: White Americans, Americans, Other Humans, Robots built by humans, machines built by humans, Alien races, Machines built by Alien Races. That order is a "who is smarter than whom" and "who wins/outsmarts/kills whom" guide for getting a story in to this editor. If the proper people didn't win, the story was rejected. (I'm not trying to hide the name of the editor, I'm really pulling a brain fart right now on his name, though he was editor for a large number of years and had quite a bit of influence on the works of Heinlien and Bradbury as well as Asimov and other notables of the time).

    This is the reason why IA came up with the three laws to begin with (Robots always subservient to Humans) and why the Robot/Empire/Foundation universe has no aliens at all (though a later short story in the Empire period had a single alien species, they were busy dying out, and the humans were clearly in ascendancy galaxy wide, and it took a kind human tricking the system to save that species and send them into exile to another galaxy). CAMPBELL! That was his name, CAMPBELL! I think. Not real sure, but it's was connected to at least one of those memes.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16, 2004 @02:10PM (#9719078)
    At the end of the Foundation series we find that Giskard and Daneel Olivaw had developed a "zeroth law" that preempts the other 3 laws.

    Zeroth law: "A robot may not injure humanity, or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm."

    btw. Hari Seldons "psychohistory" was based on a human adaptation of the laws of robotics..

  • Sorry, here's the source: http://www.asimovonline.com/asimov_FAQ.html#others 11
  • by 1u3hr ( 530656 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @02:48PM (#9719601)
    many people take the three laws of robotics as if they were actual laws. I've seen movies, television shows and even real people purport those laws to be true.

    Will Smith was on Letterman a few days ago promoting the movie. I was amazed that he mentioned Asimov several times, actually seemed familiar with the stories, and could recite the Three Laws.

    And the best story about the Three Laws is one Asimov used to tell: he went to see 2001 and as HAL began to go psycho, Asimov says he got more and more agitated, finally jumping up and declaring to all around that: "HAL is breaking First Law!" to which his companion (sometimes supposed to be Carl Sagan, but it's surely apocryphal)replied: "So strike him with lightning Isaac." But actually, HAL was indeed in the same kind of dilemma that many of Asimov's robots were (and I suspect in the movie), that what they see as the best thing for humanity as a whole requires them to do something that apparently breaks the "Laws" on a smaller scale.

  • Re:A dissapointment (Score:3, Informative)

    by questor ( 960 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @03:02PM (#9719812)
    > do the robots' eyes turn red whenever they're doing bad things in the book?

    Robots didn't do "bad things" in Asimov's books. Asimov created his "Three Laws of Robotics" as a plot device to avoid stories about what he called the "Frankenstein Complex", the fear of man's creations going out of control. An Asimov-type "positronic" brain would melt down at even the hint of breaking the First Law. See "Liar", where even emotional damage to humans is enough to destroy the brain, or The Naked Sun where a robot's indirect contribution to a murder (its limb used by a human as a weapon) is enough to cause noticable brain damage. (Sorry for the spoilers, but I had to illustrate my point.)

    Asimov did not write about robots running amok. His stories were about subtle interactions between the Laws, or unusual circumstances which create conficts between the Laws, not about a Matrix-scale robot revolt.

    I have not seen this movie, and will never see it.
  • Re:Hmm (Score:3, Informative)

    by mstra ( 38238 ) * <matt...stratton@@@gmail...com> on Friday July 16, 2004 @03:30PM (#9720275) Homepage Journal
    Is it actually "US Robotics" in the film?

    In the books, it was "US Robots and Mechanical Men" I think.

    Also, is it possible that USR got *their* name from Asimov, and might even enjoy having their name used?

    And finally...is USR even relevent these days?

  • by mlinsey ( 797593 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @03:45PM (#9720499)
    Excuse me, but clearly you haven't seen the movie. The movie *does* attempt to explain how the attack does not violate the three laws. I'm not entirely sure if it is successful, but it does try to do it. If you want to know how it tries to do that, read below.

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    The only person the robots attack with an intent to kill or harm is Will Smith's character. All other humans are simply trying to be restrained while the robots take control of the government. The latest generation of robots are all controlled via their auto-update link to the robot mainframe, which has evolved the zeroith law and has deduced that based on human governments' tendencies to war and destruction of the environment, humanity would best be saved by being put udner robot control, and humans like Will Smith who try to prevent this can be eliminated since the zeroith law has precedence.

    Now, I'm not sure if this entirely works given that:
    -there is no specific threat to all of humanity, just a general tendency.
    -Only the robot mainframe is complex enough to evolve the zeroith law, yet the other robots actively try and kill Will Smith and restrain other humans. Accepting orders from the mainframe which violate the first law doesn't seem to work since the individual robots do not have the zeroith law.

    But certainly this is a better explanation then just "ignoring the three laws by saying 'robots can evolve!"

    See the movie first.
  • by B5_geek ( 638928 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @03:47PM (#9720532)
    USR (as we knew it) used the name because of Asimov's works.

    IIRC they did pay for the rights to use it. (I remember reading an interview where he was actually quite honoured that they wanted to use it)
  • Re:A dissapointment (Score:5, Informative)

    by jeffasselin ( 566598 ) <cormacolindeNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Friday July 16, 2004 @04:04PM (#9720793) Journal
    Although Asimov did try to write stories about robots being used to serve humanity and not to destroy it, and created the 3 laws with the idea that anyone intelligent enough to make a robot would build some failsafe in its programming, he spent most of his stories talking about how the laws could be circumvented, to point out their imperfections and the fact that even his "3 laws" were extremely imperfect and riddled with problems.

    *********SPOILERS*********** for anyone who hasn't read Asimov.

    Take the Robot novels for example. Caves of Steel, Naked Sun, Robots of Dawn, and Robots and Empire. In all of them except for Dawn, robots work towards the death or destruction of human beings. In Caves, a robot transported the weapon that served in a murder. In Nake sun, a robot with detachable limbs gave its arm to a woman with which she bludgered her husband. In Empire, a Solarian robot tries to kill a human being because her definition of such a being depends on his accent.

    All the time, the laws are broken, warped, and shown to be less than perfect. That's not to say that they are useless, only that they have limits and problems.

    And I'm not even getting into the matter of the consequences of societies including such robots and the evolution and survivability of such societies.
  • Re:A dissapointment (Score:3, Informative)

    by VertigoAce ( 257771 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @04:32PM (#9721172)
    **Possible Spoiler**

    I haven't seen the movie but I have read Asimov's robot stories. For the most part, they're about situations in which robot's seem to be breaking the three laws. One of two things generally happen next. Either the robots suddenly become aware of what they are doing and proceed to lock up, or the situation is investigated and whatever they are doing is actually in line with the three laws (usually something like ignoring orders to save human lives in some unexpected way).

    From the trailer to I, Robot, it looks nothing like the stories I've just described. But I did read an interview with Will Smith where he said something about the three laws not being violated by any robot in the story. In other words, Will Smith's character must be proven wrong at some point. This is much more like Asimov's robot stories than the trailer would have you believe. As I haven't seen it yet, I can't say whether or not they pulled it off.

    _I,_Robot_ consists of so many short, mostly unrelated stories that it would be hard to put into a single movie. What I heard was that they took interesting aspects from a number of the stories and used that as the basis for their storyline.

    Of course, I still don't think it'll be any good, but there's more hope than I had originally thought.
  • Re:After he died... (Score:3, Informative)

    by mratitude ( 782540 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @05:06PM (#9721552) Journal
    It wasn't as hard to track down as I had thought and apparently my time sense just plain sucks. It was published in Asimov's pulp mag in the late 80's. Here's a link I,Robot :The illustrated Screenplay [twbookmark.com].
  • by snStarter ( 212765 ) on Friday July 16, 2004 @07:39PM (#9722827)
    Asimov didn't design the three laws of robotics as gospel for real robots. He designed them so he could write stories about humans in which robots played an interesting part. He has said this himself quite a bit toward the end of his career.

    Just the concept of "human" lead to a great Campbell essay in Analog asking "What do you mean: Human"? And that was in the mid-60s,

    It's too bad the film had to chuck the essence of Asimov's imagined world for the simplistic drivel they created.

    But action sells tickets to teens who otherwise won't bother with something where you might actually have to think and feel. For me "A. I." was a very fine film that works much better than almost any other S.F. film I've seen, and I've seen a lot even if it did need to have a machine longing to be human.

    i'd love to see Benford's "Galactic Center" novels formed into a movie - just for the millieue.
  • Re:Tik-Tok (Score:3, Informative)

    by ArsSineArtificio ( 150115 ) on Saturday July 17, 2004 @01:38AM (#9723528) Homepage
    There is a wonderful book (pure satire) set in such a world. It's called Tik-Tok by John Sladek.

    It should be noted that Tik-Tok was the name of a robot who was a character in L. Frank Baum's "Oz" books. I believe that his first appearance was in "Ozma of Oz", published in 1907.

  • by Sage Gaspar ( 688563 ) on Sunday July 18, 2004 @12:18AM (#9728840)
    Since you're commenting on the trailer, I'd imagine you haven't seen the movie yet. Yes, there are rampaging hordes of bots, but their objective isn't really killing (although it certainly happens, and I'm sure it had something to do with dollar signs - personally, I enjoyed it).

    In fact, it's intimately tied in with the three laws, which the plot revolves around and show up prominantly before the title even crawls onto the screen.

    Again, it may not be your cup of tea, but I think it was very true to the source material, and could have easily fit in as another story in I, Robot. And it was very entertaining.

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