Paramount Says Enterprise Cancellation Is Final 583
Kethinov writes "The Save Enterprise campaigns appear to have been for naught. Paramount has declared that they will not be accepting any amount of money from fans to continue to produce Star Trek Enterprise. With the decision final, Star Trek Enterprise will be the first Star Trek show since the original series not to run a full seven seasons." From the letter: "Paramount Network Television and the producers of Star Trek: Enterprise are very flattered and impressed by the fans' passionate outpouring of attention for the show and their efforts to raise funds to continue the show's production." Commentary also available from TrekToday.
Re:Battlestar: Galactica comment (Score:2, Informative)
I'd rank them thusly, for what's currently in production:
1) BSG
2) The 4400
3) Dr Who (only 3 eps to judge by, but it's fine)
4) Stargate SG-1 (this has gone way downhill with the cutback of Anderson's screentime). In it's prime, I would've put this at #2, easily.
5) Regenesis, if you consider this SF, which I do, though many wouldn't.
Stargate: Atlantis is so bad, I can't bring myself to put it on such a list, sadly. But every show has its fans, and I'm glad _someone_ likes it, though I will admit, you're the first I've heard say so.
If Space: Above and Beyond was still on, I'd have it at #1, bumping BSG to #2, (though not by much), and if Babylon 5 was still on, I'd have it at #3. First season of Farscape would be at #4, but boy did it take a quality nosedive once the whole Scorpius/crazy Crichton thing started. Visually, LEXX was stunning, but I could never get into the story.
Re:Star Trek has too many white people. (Score:5, Informative)
DS9 - Sisko was black. Kira was Bajorian, Dax was Trill, Odo was a changling, Bashir was arabic, O'Brien was Irish. The differences are more fictional about people being different aliens, but the spirit is there.
Voy - Janeway was the first female captain in a starring role. Chakotay was a native american (Or a native something or other, I forget). Tuvok was a black vulcan. Doc was a hologram. Kim was chineese. Paris was american. Torres was half Klingon and from her last name, I imagine she was supposed to be hispanic as well.
Compare all the diversity there to what TOS was, Kirk and Bones were American with McCoy being from the south. Spock was vulcan. And then you had a black woman, a japaneese man, a scot, and a russian. I wouldn't say that numberswise it's more diverse than any of the other series. It's just that society has improved itself that was don't consider a ship with a female captain, and native american first officer, a black alien security officer, chinese ops officer, and holographic doctor as shocking as 1960's america would have considered an educated black woman.
Re:Just like TOS (Score:2, Informative)
The time slot was terrible, being squarely between baseball and The Simpsons. When a baseball game would run over, they'd push Futurama to 2AM instead of pushing The Simpsons forward.
It started out after The Simpsons, if I recall correctly; they moved it out of the way later in order to hype Malcolm In The Middle, etc.
How quickly they forget (Score:3, Informative)
>show since the original series not to run a full
>seven seasons
Not so. That honor would go to Star Trek: The Animated Series.
Bruce
I call bullshit. (Score:3, Informative)
What's unoriginal about that? What was repetitive about it?
BTW, the original Star Trek was just a lightly rehased(?) cop show set in space. You may not have liked the western themes (and who could like those ridiculous gingham dresses and the humongous sun bonnets?) but the ideas made sense and the plots were great. The lethal blow was Fox's idiocy. The demographics on the show were virtually identical to the demographics for Buffy The Vampire Slayer, which was on WB. Different networks, same ratings; one got what, 11 seasons? while the other got 13 episodes. The difference? Idiots in charge. Same thing that fucks up everything.
MOD PARENT DOWN, PLAGIARIZED CONTENT (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Just like TOS (Score:3, Informative)
Don't forget that Peter Jurasik, aka Londo Mollari in B5, was also in Tron. He played Crom, the Compound Interest Program that got out of breath when he had to figure out T-bill rates.
In the first season, David Warner (Ed Dillinger / Sark, in Tron) played a guest role on B5. Warner also played a few Star Trek roles - he played the Federation ambassador in ST:V, and did a fantastic job portraying Chancellor Gorkon in ST:VI. He also appeared on TNG as Picard's torturer Gul Madred in the "There... are.... FOUR... lights!" two-part episode.
And if you haven't stopped reading at this point, IMDb indicates that a fellow named Vince Deadrick played "Warrior #2" in Tron, and appeared in two different fifth-season B5 episodes. This is where my post gets back on-topic, because Deadrick appeared in two Enterprise episodes, where he was credited as "Klingon #3" and "Crewman On Fire".
Re:Oh no No *NO*! (Score:3, Informative)
In the last season, it averaged 3 points. About equal with Battlestar Galactica, not better than.
But here's the the thing: Enterprise is a network show, BSG is cable.
For a network show, Enterprise isn't so hot.
But for a cable show, BSG is a gigantic success.
If Enterprise was on cable, it probably wouldn't even get a single rating point.
Re:Just like TOS (Score:5, Informative)
No, that's not what happened.
All that happened at the end of S4 was that the end of the Earth Civil War was wrapped up at the end of season four -- it was intended to finish early on in S5 -- and the final episode, "Sleeping in Light", was filmed at the end of S4. (It takes place several years after the events of S4 and S5, so isn't really out of place at the end of either season.)
When B5 got renewed, they replaced "Sleeping in Light" with "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars" (filmed first thig in S5) and showed SiL at the end of S5 -- which is why it's the only episode in that season that has Ivanova in it.
The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5 [midwinter.com] has numerous posts from JMS about the show, written at the time it was happening (I was a regular reader at the time).
Jay (=
Re:Just like TOS (Score:3, Informative)
Even B5 used "slugthrowers".
Avoiding cliches is a point of good writing, and slug throwers are cheap, they carry their own energy
They also carry their own energy in a way which is reasonably safe to the operator
A ST Phaser contains enough energy to make a very effective bomb. Not the sort of thing you want to carry on your person
And this whole "explosive" decompression thing. Too many explosions in current entertainment has got people thinking a little hole in the wall will make the ship blow up.
Maybe a few people need to be forced to watch the episode of "Mythbusters" where this is put to the test. All a bullet will do is make a small hole you could plug by putting your in flight magazine over.