Slashdot is powered by your submissions, so send in your scoop

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Television Media Movies The Internet Your Rights Online

MPAA Targets TV Download Sites 810

KenDaMan writes "ZDNet.com is reporting that the MPAA is targeting websites that serve as traffic directors for BitTorrent swaps. From the article: 'Continuing its war on Internet file-swapping sites, the Motion Picture Association of America said Thursday that it has filed lawsuits against a half-dozen hubs for TV show trading.' Apparently it is OK to record TV as long as your aren't sharing it."
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

MPAA Targets TV Download Sites

Comments Filter:
  • Re:btefnet (Score:5, Informative)

    by jlev ( 590861 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:28PM (#12515359) Homepage
    TFA has a list.

    "The six sites sued Thursday include ShunTV, Zonatracker, Btefnet, Scifi-Classics, CDDVDHeaven and Bragginrights."
  • Re:what? (Score:5, Informative)

    by chrispyman ( 710460 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:30PM (#12515375)
    Not quite. Their member companies produce most of the TV shows as well.
  • Re:MPAA (Score:4, Informative)

    by QuantumG ( 50515 ) <qg@biodome.org> on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:34PM (#12515405) Homepage Journal
    Copyrights are internationally honoured. Unless you're in one of the few countries that hasn't signed the international treaties on copyright then you are bound by US copyright just as much as you are bound by Japanese copyright.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:43PM (#12515475)
    Very few trackers (especially on the scale of btefnet) are even capable of keeping logs. You have to understand that they deal with an obscene amount of requests.

    The average client announces once every ten minutes or so. Considering that btefnet has around one million active peers at any given time, that means that there are about ~1500 announces per second.

    While this is fine for actually returning peers, any sort of disk I/O logging is simply impossible.

    And a site of that size can't keep apache logs for more than 24 hours or so without erasing them due to disk space issues. In short, don't worry about it.
  • Re:MPAA (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:43PM (#12515480)
    Ah, the olde fansub argument. Actually, it's not legal. There's a treaty, Japan and the U.S. signed it... Berne I think is the name. Anyway, maybe you've noticed the Japanese companies are starting to take offense to fansubs? Because it's becoming increasingly obvious that fansubs are hurting sales a lot, and the U.S. anime companies aren't exactly rolling in dough. The U.S. anime companies would do more about fansubs, but they really don't like to piss off the fans, even though the companies are hurting because of it.

    Sure, the fansubs make for free marketing, but when the fansubs of a series stops and the sales of the legit release suddenly go up for the non-fansubbed episodes, it looks really bad for the people saying "Oh, but I always replace fansubs with the real thing". And since a large chunk of anime budgets come from the U.S. licensing, well... I hoped you enjoyed the decent animation quality while it lasted. Time to go back to the slideshows of the 90's or the badly warped amaturish animation of the 80's and before.

    Oh yeah, no more experimental stuff like Kino's Journey, which was largely funded by a U.S. studio that just wanted something different.

    Of course, I'm sure you're one of the ones that really is buying everything you download. Someone is, right?
  • Re:MPAA (Score:3, Informative)

    by deafpluckin ( 776193 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:45PM (#12515492)
    It is technically legal to download anime that's copyrighted in Japan but not yet licensed in the USA.
    No , like TV programs, that's illegal too. Would you warezmonkeys please stop spreading lies to each other? You fools are the entire reason for this "educaton campaign" of suing people.

    It's not a lie.

    Read here [animesuki.com]:

    Fansubs violate copyrights We have to admit it: the distribution of fansubs is technically a violation of copyright under the WTO TRIPS agreement. However the TRIPS agreement does not demand that distribution of copyrighted material is a criminal offence unless it is done on a commercial scale. This means it is up to the copyright holder to bring the offender to court. The copyright of unlicensed material is held by the original creator. In the case of anime this usually means the Japanese distribution company. If something is licenced, the licensee holds the copyright and thus the right to sue any copyright infringers within the area covered by the license. (source: ato's forum post)
    Up until now fansub groups have had little to worry about legal pressure from Japan. However US companies are more likely to sue, therefore it is an additional reason for fansub groups to stop distributing a series once it gets licensed in the US.
    I assume the same is true for TV.
  • by Ka D'Argo ( 857749 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:07PM (#12515645) Homepage
    I've gotten my fair share of tv shows from online, some through BT some not.

    What's funny is the MPAA and other companies scream up a storm of how it's illegal and wrong, have they ever stopped to consider how much of a fucking monopoloy tv is?

    Case in point, I'm a huge sci fi fan. Take Trek as a main example. Sure if I'm at home during the day around 1pm I can catch TNG/DS9 reruns on "Spike" TV but most people with day jobs aren't home at that hour. Sure I could Tivo/DVR/VHS tape it but then again you have to deal with the inconsistances of stuff being prempted, etc Not to mention you're paying to record the stuff, those VHS tapes and blank DVD's aren't free, if you record it yer at least spending X amount of money on blank media.

    So as most people are unlucky to not be able to tape shows, such as my example, what options do we have?;

    - Wait till reruns begin/occur. Some shows are already in rerun syndication on other networks. Take Stargate. It has new episodes of SG-1 on the Sci Fi channel. but if you turn on say, the WB at 3 am some nights you catch old reruns of it. This falls into the above example of being able to record such things, as such times, in an affordable manner. And that doesn't take into account the current season of a show. Smallville just ended it's season (I think), so if you missed the last few episodes of the season you gotta wait till the end of Summer when the reruns of that season "catch up".

    - Buy the seasonal DVD's. Ok this is my main deterent. I'm a huge Trek fan, have been for 15 years. I own not one season or movie of Trek on DVD. Why? Walk into the cheapest department store there is. Seriously, go to Walmart or K-Mart or Target. See those prices? $80-100 for ONE season of basically any Trek. $80 fucking dollars. I don't need 20 extra DVD's, sure their nice but I just want the series, in DVD format in DVD quality all in one nice little package. I honestly cannont justify paying more than $30-40 per season of a TV show. If you want all 7 seasons of a Trek series, it's almost $800......I can buy a god damn CAR for that (or at least put a downpayment on a nice one). Now some DVD's have become more, economical. This past Christmas when Buffy season 7 came out, they released a holiday package deal, all 7 seasons for around $200-250. That is reasonable. I can justify that purchase for the cost. And you still can find a deal here there, Amazon.com knocks off a couple hundred bucks on big series like Trek, but still not much... Now remember when I said go to a department store? Try a large chain store like Best Buy, EB, Suncoast, Media Play, etc..Double those prices.

    - Avaiblility. Remeber how I mentioned the cheap stores and big expensive chain stores? What do you see most of in the dvd sections at Walmart or Kmart? New Releases. Sure they have a handful of tv seasonal dvd's but most likely the last that was released (i.e. you'll find Stargate Season 7 but not Season 1...). So what are you left with? Going to a store that specializes in electronics and shit like Best Buy or Samgoodie, whom have a nice HUGE selection of DVDs and such but charge INSANE prices. ($1200 for all of DS9 last time I checked...)

    The quality of tv just doesn't justify things in the end. I mean, for every Trek dvd or Scape DVD that's fairly expensive you'll find CRAP like American Idol or the latest incarnation of Survivor selling like hot-fucking-cakes for half the price. Hell I haven't watched anything on the Fox network in years (except 24) cause every night it's their prime time lineup of "Reality TV" shit. ABC, CBS etc follow either in the same suit or throwing out the 14th different spinoff of CSI or Law & Order o_O

    When prices are reasonable or tv schedules become more flexible in correlation with recording media prices then maybe I won't use BT for my source of entertainment.

  • by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:17PM (#12515714) Journal
    I only knew of btefnet
    The six sites sued Thursday include ShunTV, Zonatracker, Btefnet, Scifi-Classics, CDDVDHeaven and Bragginrights.
    Sorry, BTEFNET is down for maintenance. Please try again later.
  • by Famatra ( 669740 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:18PM (#12515727) Journal

    I think these lawsuits will simply speed up the migration away from P2P to anonymous P2P [wikipedia.org]. Many individuals believe strongly in the freedom of uncensorable speech and many also think that copyright (a monopoly on the free flow of information and a an barrier to promote artificial scarcity of knowledge erected by government enforced through threats of violence) needs to be reformed at best and removed totally at worse.

    The more promising anonymous p2p applications is I2P [i2p.net], its Wikipedia article here [wikipedia.org]. It is a network layer and has a variety of tools including anonymous bittorrent [ducktorrent], [i2pbt], [azeureus plugin] (Azureus 2.3.0.0 has I2P code in its core as seen from their release notes [sourceforge.net]), anonymous p2p search [i2phex], anonymous IRC [core], anonymous http [core], anonymous distributed content store like Freenet [Quartermaster or 'Q']. All it really needs is people to share their content (just put it in your files in automatic webpage directory) and anonymous newsgroups.

    There is also Freenet [sourceforge.net] which is a useful backup to I2P until I2P develops a well working distributed content store (currently Quartermaster or the defunct Stasher fufill these rolls and are in the I2P core CVS). If you get Frost [sourceforge.net] for Freenet there are a few distribution organisations there as well.

  • Actually, (Score:5, Informative)

    by Propaganda13 ( 312548 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:18PM (#12515728)
    The FCC said it was okay for Tivo users to record and share tv shows with 9 friends.
  • Re:what? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Saeger ( 456549 ) <farrellj@g m a il.com> on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:19PM (#12515734) Homepage
    Next thing we'll hear the MPAA going after porn torrents... I mean assuming they're out there.

    That they are. The "suprnova" of the porn torrent sites is Empornium [empornium.us]. Pro: leeching is limited by ratio and you cant just create new leech accounts, so the download rates usually saturate your connection. Con: the admins are arrogant assholes.

  • Re:TiVo Sucks... (Score:5, Informative)

    by TheHonestTruth ( 759975 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:35PM (#12515825) Journal
    Clearly, you don't have a tivo or you're just trolling. I'll assume the former.

    A VCR lets you keep the tapes, you can't take any content off a TiVo. Once you run out of room, you have to delete the show. And you can't record and skip commercials. With a VCR you can pause during commercials.

    A) you absolutely can skip commercials with tivo, and I'll bet you head-to-head I can skip my commercials faster and more acurrately. B) you can transfer files off your tivo to your computer/portable media device C) you can burn them to a DVD if you so choose D) your friend could give you said DVD as easily as a tape if he didn't think you were such a know-it-all dick.

    -truth

  • Re:TiVo Sucks... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Balthisar ( 649688 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:41PM (#12515865) Homepage
    Huh? I'm a smart person with a TiVo. Video extraction is no problem. My 120 GB drive is only ever half full. I'm working out of the country right now, so every trip home means dumping my TiVo into my PowerBook so I can take it on the road.

    Additionally, I can access my TiVo from my job site. I haven't installed the spooler yet, but I can, and get my TiVo down in Mexico. This is bandwidth prohibitive though. If I had more time, I could have my PowerMac serve as an intermediary, get the TiVo video, and stream it to me in Mexico in a compressed format. But as I'm not home long enough to get it working, it's my fault (not Tivo's) that it's not doing it yet.

    Also, being in Mexico, I've started to download some things that I don't get down here. Battlestar Galactica comes to mind. I've always avoided the SciFi channel because every time I turn it on its about those damn big worms (Tremors the series). If I'd NOT pirated Battlestar Galactica, then SciFi'd never get a chance from me. Now they have a viewer (once I'm back home, that is).

    Finally, I look for Good Eats as soon as it's out. Can't wait to copy that one off the TiVo -- I want it right away.
  • Re:MPAA (Score:3, Informative)

    by _KiTA_ ( 241027 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:51PM (#12515931) Homepage
    Actually, persuant to the Berne convention, it's just as illegal to pirate Japanese cartoons as it is to pirate American ones.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but Animesuki and 4chan are just as illegal as thepiratebay and suprnova -- it's just that the Japanese publishing houses usually don't CARE, because the people downloading the torrents usually buy DVDs and overpriced toys.
  • Re:btefnet (Score:3, Informative)

    by fernd1 ( 582087 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:58PM (#12515979)
    Somthing fishy is going on:

    Site says:
    This domain has just been registered for one of our customers!
    Domain registration and webhosting at best prices.
    Registry says:
    Registrant:
    oblivionx btefnet ....
    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS0.DEMANDRED.NET
    NS1.DEMANDRED.NET
    NS2.DEMANDRED.NET

    Registry for Demandred.net
    Registrant: ...
    Huntington Beach, California 92648
    United States ...
    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS0.DEMANDRED.NET
    NS1.DEMANDRED.NET
    NS2.DEMANDRED.NET

    But most telling...
    Subject of #bt on efnet

    * Now talking in #bt
    * Topic is 'BE PATIENT WHILE WE WORK THINGS OUT'

    Looks like server hop perhaps to avoid there ISP shutting them down.
  • by stubear ( 130454 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:59PM (#12515981)
    "The truth and the problem is that copyrights are not free market. If the government gave Ford a monopoly on making cars, because they don't have an "incentive" to make them unless they could lock out everyone else - most people would see this as interference in free markets and overbearing government regulation."

    See, this is the problem slashbots have understanding copyright. It's not locking up an idea for ever, it's granting the sole right of copying, distribution, performance, public display, and/or making derivatives or an original expression of an idea. To correct your automobile analogy, well not really correct it, just point out where you are wring, Ford is not granted the sole right to make cars. However, they are granted the sole right to make Ford Mustangs. Chevy is still going to make, and well within their right, to make the Corvette and Ford can just go stuff themselves if they want to make their own Corvette. They compete in the sports car market, NOT the Ford Mustang or Chevrolet Corvette markets.

    Let's apply this to television since analogies, especially car analogies, are often just plain wrong. fox is welcome to make The Simpson's (I know they don't make it, they have the rights to distribute it, work with me here a bit) and any other station that wants to air or create their own episodes of The Simpson's has to deal with Fox. NBC is welcome to start their own cartoon about a dysfunctional family, they just have to start from scratch and hope they can garner enough ratings to make it popular and compete against The Simpson's. Again, the market is not episodes of The Simpson's it's cartoons or sitcoms about dysfunctional families.

    This, in my opinion, is an acceptable "monopoly". FOX and NBC cannot have a monopoly on television though if their shows are popular enough they may obtain more of the television audience than other stations. If you want to compete you have to make a better, more original show than the other studios. If a studio spends the time, money, and effort developing and producing a hot show why should they have to compete with other studios for the same show? If you want to distribute the show across the internet you have to obtain the same rights and if the studio say no you are more than welcome to develop and produce your own internet based cartoon or sitcom and share it however you like. If it's good you might even get a studio interested but don't count your chickens.
  • Re:MPAA (Score:3, Informative)

    by MKalus ( 72765 ) <mkalus@@@gmail...com> on Thursday May 12, 2005 @11:17PM (#12516107) Homepage
    Actually thepiratebay is not illegal per se (and definetly not in sweden) as they do not hold any copyrighted files.

    One could argue that they (or whoever runs the trackers) are aiding in the process, but it seems that at least under swedish law this is not illegal (yet?).
  • by DavidTC ( 10147 ) <slas45dxsvadiv.v ... m ['x.c' in gap]> on Thursday May 12, 2005 @11:25PM (#12516155) Homepage
    Often they don't 'remove' the commercials.

    TV shows sent to affilites in the US are still broadcast in the clear for the most part, because many can't decode encrypted ones.

    Which means if you have a 'big' (whatever the technical term is) sat dish, you can watch TV shows without ads, in advance, and record them digitally.

    It's actually rather obvious which is which. If it has anything besides the network logo, or non-perfect commercial editing, it's from a broadcast. If not, it's probably from satellite and never had commercials to start with.

    Oddly enough, thanks to conservative Christians, it's now perfectly legal to sell devices that 'edit' TV shows and movies.

    This was designed to allow a DVD player that skips (or possibly just blanks) 'offensive' scenes. I'm sure the law attempts to actually limit it to 'offensive content' instead of ads. But the post office has a law saying you can stop offensive mail to you, and the courts said, point-blank, that the post office is allowed no judgement in that...if you say the Radio Shack catalog is offensive, or third class mail, or green envelopes, they legally have to stop it.

    So, legally, it's probably okay, now, to sell a device that talks to a bunch of other devices and lets you vote on where ads are, and skips them if enough people agree.

    And what I think the FCC should step in and say is: You get these frequencies for free, and in return you had to provide useful content on them. Well, we're changing the rules. Not only do you have to provide useful content on them, you are required by law to provide in last 48 hours you broadcast for download on the internet, in 30 minute sections, so this useful content can be seen if people miss it.

    It can be DRMd and expire at 48 hours, and you can even disallow fast forwarding. Although, of course, the availiblity and format of your net content might be discussed next license renewal. If it doesn't work under Linux, the FCC is going to be waving some letters at you.

    And unlike other things the FCC likes to screw around with these days, it probably actually has the authority to do something like that, just like it can mandate a TV station keep a record of complaints and announce call letters on the air.

  • Re:btefnet (Score:2, Informative)

    by whidbey island geek ( 812051 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @11:49PM (#12516282)
    alt.binaries.drwho and/or alt.binaries.multimedia.scifi for the good doctor. alt.binaries.multimedia.comedy for your fake news. (Attn **AA, please continue to ignore the existence of the Usenet.)
  • Re:MPAA (Score:5, Informative)

    by iamghetto ( 450099 ) on Friday May 13, 2005 @12:36AM (#12516570) Homepage
    Copyrights are internationally honoured. Unless you're in one of the few countries that hasn't signed the international treaties on copyright then you are bound by US copyright just as much as you are bound by Japanese copyright.

    It's not quite so cut and dry. What is illegal in one country may not be illegal in another. Take America for example, half the laws in America these days seem to be written for the lobby groups and not the citizens. What is considered a copyright violation may not be considered a violation in another country.

    Last year (or maybe two years ago) it was ruled in Canada that sharing music was perfectly legal. The judge ruled that having a "shared music folder" on your computer where other users could download copies of the music was tantamount to the public library letting a citizens use photocopier to copy pages of a given book. That is the exact analogy he used.

    So while in America sharing music might be illegal and said to violate copyright law, in Canada it is perfectly legal. Even if the MPAA thought we were violating American copyright, they have no course of action to take against us.

    While Canada & America and countless other countries are bound by international copyrights, what violates a copyright in each respective country can be very different.
  • by antdude ( 79039 ) on Friday May 13, 2005 @01:48AM (#12516895) Homepage Journal
    1.5 hours next Wednesday night is the last one for this season.
  • Re:what? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Cramer ( 69040 ) on Friday May 13, 2005 @02:09AM (#12516967) Homepage
    Two corrections... 1) you certainly can "just create new leech accounts"... as long as the site is below the 200k user limit. (you might have to get a little inventive to get around being banned, etc.) 2) the admins are not "arrogant assholes". This is typically the stance taken by those who have been banned for any number of (justified) reasons. (posting under-age or otherwise prohibited content, being a leech (i.e. refusing to seed/upload), breaking the rules you said you'd read, etc.)

    That said, there are numerous pr0n torrent sites.
  • In singapore... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13, 2005 @02:16AM (#12516991)
    It's the other way around... Prostitution is legal, porn is not... :)
  • Re:what? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Civil_Disobedient ( 261825 ) on Friday May 13, 2005 @03:13AM (#12517185)
    Con: the admins are arrogant assholes.

    Reason: because they have to deal with the worst of the worst kinds of adolescent assholery. They're strict with their rules, and there are generally no second chances. If you want your porn for free, you follow the rules; the fact that the site is so popular is a testament to how many people agree with the mods' enforcement policies.

    Or, so I've heard.
  • Re:what? (Score:2, Informative)

    by LinuxLuver ( 775817 ) on Saturday May 14, 2005 @05:32AM (#12528080)

    Prostitution is legal in Australia and New Zealand.

    The world didn't end. In fact, in New Zealand, the 'sex workers' now have legal rights with respect to their employers (brothel owners) and can take such matters to the Employment Court like any other contractor or employee. The downside for them, I guess, is that now they have to pay income tax.

    Legalising prostitution recognised what was going on all day every day anyway....and gave the people at the centre of the industry legal rights they had never had before. Win / win for all concerned. Including the clients, from what I hear.

The hardest part of climbing the ladder of success is getting through the crowd at the bottom.

Working...