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Sci-Fi Science

UFOs In the News 449

Posted by kdawson
from the green-and-the-gray dept.
Several readers have let us know about a report on MSNBC that France's space agency has announced plans to publish its archive of UFO sightings in a month or so. The archive includes some 6,000 reports relating to around 1,600 incidents over 30 years. In a separate development, many readers have sent in word of the reported UFO that at least six United Airlines workers saw over Chicago's O'Hare International Airport last November. National Public Radio picked up the story with an interview with the Chicago Trib reporter who wrote about it yesterday. United is, strangely, denying that any such incident was ever brought up. The FAA admits there was an incident but is not investigating it.
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UFOs In the News

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  • by ptbarnett (159784) on Tuesday January 02, 2007 @09:28PM (#17438382)
    Yes- but you usually fly your pattern *around* the airport, not right smack dab over the runways, at least, not until you're ready to *land* or *take off* in which case by definition you're going to be flying *below* 800 feet, as at that time you're going to be leaving the pattern behind.

    Aircraft transiting over an airport like O'Hare are vectored directly OVER the airport. When I've done it (albeit at other airports), I was directed to follow the cross-wind runway that is more or less perpendicular to the active runway(s).

    This keeps the transiting aircraft directly above the aircraft ON THE GROUND, but out of the airspace used for landing and takeoff. 1900 feet is a bit low for that, but I've made the transit at no more than 4000 feet AGL.

  • by maynard (3337) <j.maynard.gelinasNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Tuesday January 02, 2007 @09:40PM (#17438468) Journal
    The link I gave is a summary of the report, which I didn't realize because I googled it looking for the best copy. Well, I was wrong. Here is the full report (and apologies), both pdfs:

    COMETA Part 1: http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/files/COMETA_pa rt1.pdf [ufoevidence.org]
    COMETA Part 2: http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/files/COMETA_pa rt2.pdf [ufoevidence.org]

    (Please note that I am not connected with ufoevidence.org and know nothing about the site).
  • a photo does exist (Score:3, Informative)

    by kansas1051 (720008) on Tuesday January 02, 2007 @10:32PM (#17438896)
    According to MSNBC, someone (i.e. a pilot) did take a picture of the object (or cloud) with a cell phone camera but is afraid to release the photo to the public out of fear that he will lose his job. http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/01/02/ 25212.aspx [msn.com]
  • by SdnSeraphim (679039) on Wednesday January 03, 2007 @01:51AM (#17440476)
    I'm sure real pilots just haven't seen your comment, but this is not true. All major to medium airports have radar and radar does not only pick up metal. The transponder is something completely different. With it you are given a "squawk" code if you are flying a filed flight plan, otherwise you can fly VFR and use the common squawk code of 2700 (this is obviously only for General Aviation, not commercial). This transponder is used for specific aircraft identification and again, has nothing to do with radar. Radar will pick up even small objects in the airspace, such as groups of birds, etc.

    BTW large birds are definately not "stealthy"! In the future you might want to learn something about the subject you are commenting on before getting just about every detail wrong.
  • by kalirion (728907) on Wednesday January 03, 2007 @11:22AM (#17444502)
    "They're made out of meat."
    "Meat. They're made out of meat."
    "There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."
    "That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"
    "They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."
    "So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."
    "They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."
    "That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."
    "I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."
    "Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."
    "Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take long. Do you have any idea what's the life span of meat?"
    "Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."
    "Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."
    "No brain?"
    "Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."
    "So ... what does the thinking?"
    "You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."
    "Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"
    "Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"
    "Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."
    "Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."
    "Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?"
    "First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual."
    "We're supposed to talk to meat."
    "That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.' That sort of thing."
    "They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"
    "Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."
    "I thought you just told me they used radio."
    "They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."
    "Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"
    "Officially or unofficially?"
    "Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."
    "I was hoping you would say that."
    "It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"
    "I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"
    "Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."
    "So we just pretend there's no one home in the Universe."
    "That's it."
    "Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You're sure they won't rememb

"Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb. "Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth. -- Alfred North Whitehead