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A Side Effect of Testosterone Poisoning 273

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obtuse writes "With a finding that may explain Internet trolls — or at least building contractors — U. of Michigan researchers have discovered that individuals with high levels of testosterone find an angry face rewarding. In their experiments, this was true even if the angry image was perceived subliminally so that the subjects didn't register it consciously."
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A Side Effect of Testosterone Poisoning

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  • Especially the violent, bullying type.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by OrangeTide (124937)
      I don't see anything wrong with taking enjoyment pissing other people off.

      I think it's unfair to demand people to share your own personal biases and tastes.

      you people are bigots and deserve all the beatings that you get!
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by ShadowBot (908773)
        No one demands that you share anyone else's biases or tastes. Obviously there is a significant group of the population that gets off on the misery of others.

        So, why don't you all get together, in some remote location, and make each other miserable. That way you'll all be happy!

        And the rest of the world will be a happier, and possibly safer, place without any griefers around.

        Alternatively if you prefer you could hang around enjoying making trouble for everyone else, but then it's only fair that everyon

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by hackstraw (262471)
          No one demands that you share anyone else's biases or tastes. Obviously there is a significant group of the population that gets off on the misery of others.

          So, why don't you all get together, in some remote location, and make each other miserable. That way you'll all be happy!


          Its not about happy or miserable, its about domination and pecking order.

          Testosterone is an important chemical in human dominance. Once someone displays being angry relative to another person, then they lose the dominance game, and
      • by spun (1352)
        There is nothing inherently wrong with it in the individualist world view, as we are all personally responsible for our emotional reactions. In the interdependent world view it is wrong, as you are contributing to a dysfunctional dynamic that increases net human suffering.

        So it all depends on whether you are a selfish capitalist pig, or a dirty commie sympathizer.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @11:58PM (#19141079)
    ...you stupid fucking cocksuckers!
  • Explains a lot (Score:3, Insightful)

    In addition to trolls and building contractors, it can also explain certain managers, certain HR people, the jerk on the freeway...

    The list goes on and on
    • Re:Explains a lot (Score:4, Interesting)

      by rtb61 (674572) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:24AM (#19141593) Homepage
      It is all about control, excessive testosterone develops a greater need for control over your environment ie. you have a greater competitive attitude to all elements with in your environment, human and otherwise. Angry faces are there because you are creating them, forcing a change in the emotions of others around you and specifically forcing them to adopt negative unhealthy emotions and stealing away their ability to control their mental state ie. challenging them and winning.

      Building sites and the industry as a whole is very competitive, very aggressive and quite physically confrontational, as a designer/estimator/contract administrator, it is quite a challenge to enforce your presence and control on the contractors, and ensure that project goals are met (good training for being an aggresive, proactive customer, you buy product, you don't get sold product).

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by bladesjester (774793)
        I probably have greater than average testosterone if physical signs are any indication. I'll also admit that I used to be hot-headed and felt the need to be in control of everything as a young teenager.

        Now I tend to be a lot more laid back and deal with things at the appropriate time. However, it has been learned by some people that it's more a case of an iron fist in a velvet glove if you decide to try and push me in directions that you shouldn't.

        I can be downright intimidating (and for good reason) if I
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by xappax (876447)
          "Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest mother-fucker in the world. If I moved to a martial arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad.

          Hiro used to feel that way, too, but then he ra
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Instine (963303)
      Yep. Try MOT mechanics. I took my car in yesterday. They broke my wipers (deliberately), then failed me on them! Just as I was starting to feel like I was going to loose it, I noticed a grim on the guy's face.

      I just walked out. But clearly thats what he wanted. It was a franchise, so he'd barely make any cash on selling me new wipers, he just want to wind up another customer.

      If its such an antisocial substance, they should control it. In his case, a couple of hammers would do the trick. And there were
    • The researchers failed to clarify that they had only one test subject, a guy identified only by the cryptic ID "DCheney".
  • But... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Shadow Wrought (586631) * <shadow.wrought @ g m a i l.com> on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:02AM (#19141113) Homepage Journal
    Trolls have no balls!
    • by metlin (258108)
      Q: How do trolls get hard?

      A: They just sit out in the sun!

      Sorry, couldn't resist.
  • Microsoft (Score:5, Funny)

    by Xannon (1097947) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:07AM (#19141137)
    So that's why Gates keeps Balmer around?
    • by Chrisje (471362)
      I didn't know Gates had testosterone at all, you insensitive Clod!
  • by lawpoop (604919) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:13AM (#19141181) Homepage Journal
    }:(

    There is your reward. Are you happy now?
  • by BillGatesLoveChild (1046184) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:14AM (#19141187) Journal
    Sly Stallone was caught recently in Sydney Airport importing (heh heh... drug smugglers smuggle, but Celebrities "import") quantities of Testosterone and Human Growth Hormone. Maybe Sly is updating his image for the YouTube generation. He wants to not only be a big troll, but a big scary troll too:

    "I want... what they want... what those trolls. They just want to be heard. {grabs mike} Bill Gates, I'm comin' to get you!" (Whacks Steve Balmer with chair and dives out the window with DRM lawyers in pursui

    Sly sad it was prescribed by his doctors for a "mystery medical ailment". No, seriously.

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/stallone-sorry -for-illegal-hormones/2007/05/15/1178995115011.htm l [smh.com.au]
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/stallones-full -apology/2007/05/15/1178995136992.html [smh.com.au]

    Don't panic, Rambolovers and Rockettes. Being a 51st State of America, Australia extends immunity to Hollywood Celebrities too. Sly will gush about he loves Australia and walk free. Just as well. Here's to Rambo IV, where he goes back and kicks the ass of the Tabliban guys he freed in III.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by joemontoya (704695)
      Hey we extend immunity to Russel Crowe, he just has to pay a small fee to beat hotel workers about the head with a phone.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Giometrix (932993)
      "Sly sad it was prescribed by his doctors for a "mystery medical ailment"."

      I guess having a 6 pack and 60 is just a side effect?
      • Well, there's no such thing as a free meal, and there's no such thing as a side effect free drug. I guess Mr. Stallone will have to accept having that 6pack, whether he likes it or not. Serves him right for using illegal drugs.
    • by dbIII (701233)
      It was even funnier that he threw the drugs out his hotel window over a period of time while the raid was on and attracted a curious crowd. There's nothing like a few hundred witnesses to refute any claims that you never had the stuff.
    • holy crap... I just watched rambo first blood 2... it ended like 5 seconds ago.
    • by elrous0 (869638) *
      Don't mock him! He is suffering from a severe case of "Former Action Star Syndrome," (F-ASS) a tragic medical ailment characterized by wrinkling of the skin, loss of muscle tone, depression, and financial distress. We need to recognize the plight of Stallone and other F-ASS's and give them the medical treatment, press coverage, and box office receipts that they so desperately need! Please...give generously.
    • by operagost (62405)
      What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone here is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
  • by wizardforce (1005805) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:19AM (#19141225) Journal

    individuals with high levels of testosterone find an angry face rewarding. In their experiments, this was true even if the angry image was perceived subliminally so that the subjects didn't register it consciously."
    some people induce that same response without the extra testosterone.
    • by TubeSteak (669689)

      some people induce that same response without the extra testosterone.
      Undoubtedly true, but those people have to get their reward through some other mechanism, otherwise they wouldn't engage in that kind of behavior. Elevated serotonin or dopamine levels anyone?
  • by sponga (739683) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:24AM (#19141255)
    I have worked my way up from grunt work to foreman/supervisor; this line of work takes some words to get your ass moving and you haven't got time to be sitting around day dreaming.
    Construction is a stressful business majority of the time and a lot of people have no idea what it is like to have an inspector that cost $300/hr to just sit around because your crew couldn't get everything cleaned up. So you raise your voice and the next time they know to pick up the pace to get the project completed.

    Where did it say anything about building contractors and trolls in that article anyways.
    I find my job very enjoying knowing that I usually can complete a several million dollar project in a week and get enjoyment at looking at a finished project. There are a lot of hot heads in all types of business it is just that when you work construction you usually have to raise your voice over all the other stuff going on and seem to express yourself more because it is a very busy environment with million dollar projects weekly that will fuck up your whole bidding schedule for other projects.

    Now how a internet troll and a building contractor are comparable I have no fucking clue but the article described something completely different on people being teasers get enjoyment out of it and I usually don't tease my crew besides rolling up with a 24 pack in the back of my truck for them when they finish the days work.
    • Now how a internet troll and a building contractor are comparable I have no fucking clue

      I don't see the comic connection either. You shouldn't take it too seriously though, because while they may have found some correlation between testosterone, subliminal angry faces, and learning responses, they certainly haven't found a link.

      Might as well say you have found a link between shopping for shoes, wearing high heals, and getting pregnant. A correlation is certainly there, but linking them together in the

    • Well, I did sumbmit it as funny. I didn't use the word poisoning in my original sumbission. The subject was originally "Yes I am trying to piss you off."

      I'm just cranky because I just got done spending a couple of years of my life with major contractors who made every single job difficult. These particular guys are an assholes, and I'm sorry to say, that seems to be the rule. I also understand that in that environment, it definitely helps to be pushy and confrontational, and I was trying to be funny.

      What do
  • Not really (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Shadowlore (10860) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:28AM (#19141277) Journal
    1) What's with the "poisoning"? There is no speak of poisoning of testosterone, merely people with "low" vs. "high".
    2) Internet trolls by (current) definition do not see the faces so this doesn't apply.

    Now building contractors however ....
    • Re:Not really (Score:5, Insightful)

      by stephanruby (542433) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @04:20AM (#19142399)
      1) What's with the "poisoning"? There is no speak of poisoning of testosterone, merely people with "low" vs. "high".

      Being a man is a disease. That's the implied message I hear these days. Perhaps you're thinking I'm slightly exaggerating, or that I'm just trolling, but just take a look at this article for instance. The principal author of this research found that men with higher levels of testosterones learn better when faced with angry faces. So the conclusion/title of her study, and the corresponding headline on slashdot should have been: "Construction Workers Learn Better when Faced with Stress" or "Construction Workers Not as Dumb as Previously Thought" -- it shouldn't have been "High-testosterone people reinforced by others' anger".

      But instead, the story gets completely reframed, and the researcher herself makes the huge leap of logic that since "Better learning of a task associated with anger faces [it] indicates that the anger faces were rewarding"

      What!?! What the F____?? How did she reach that conclusion? And yes, I did understand the thing about the rat learning better when it gets rewarded. The missing part of her remarks however is that there are plenty of other ways we can enhance our memory. For instance, the rat and the human being also learn a lot better when they're about to get killed. And whether it's fear, sorrow, happiness, or simply ecstasy, all those emotional states have been found to enhance our memory, and extend our senses, when compared to our more neutral emotional states. So this doesn't surprise me in the least, that she and her TA, found what they found. So it's not the findings themselves, that trouble me, it's the conclusions they draw from those findings that worry me.
      • by fsmunoz (267297)
        You're not trolling. This is just another step in the complete demasculinization of modern men. FFS, many of them are just one step away from having ovaries. "Testosterone poisoning"? I must be having a seizure because I'm mentally smacking whomever came up with that pansy nonsense.
      • fortunatelly it is good to be a man [bbc.co.uk]
      • Re:Not really (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Hoi Polloi (522990) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @10:47AM (#19145313) Journal
        I'm tired of the way men are portrayed in TV and movies now. Virtually every family sitcom has the father as a bumbling idiot and the woman is always the level headed take charge person. Ads on TV frequently do this too with the guy needing to be set straight by the smarter, more mature woman. In movies it is pretty common to see the guy as unable to make a decision and the woman is the hero. You even see it in kid's cartoons now. I wonder if the writers do this to appeal to woman in the audience and men just passively accept it. It is a little jab but after seeing this image countless times I'm sure it has some affect on people's perceptions.
    • by asninn (1071320)
      The "poisoning" part is stupid, yes, but as for your second point - TFA says that the study showed that angry faces can apparently be seen as rewarding if they're shown briefly (as opposed to for extended periods of time), so it seems reasonable to assume that similar angry reactions might be similar. It's totally unproven, of course, but it makes sense.
  • by Futurepower(R) (558542) <MJennings.USA@NOT_any_of_THISgmail.com> on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:59AM (#19141449) Homepage
    It seems that, at present, with the social breakdown happening in the United States, almost all science reporting contains some dishonesty.

    The U.S. is the developed country in which women have the most disfunctional relationships with men. So reporting the story about testosterone as "testosterone poisoning" is a way to get attention. Lesbians, for example, like to use the phrase "testosterone poisoning" about men as a way of convincing women who have relationships with men to have sex with another woman.

    In reality, angry people have high testosterone, whether they are men or women. The bodies of both men and women [jeanhailes.org.au] produce testosterone.

    If you have observed how hostile women are in the U.S. toward men, I suggest you try visiting Brazil. Women in Brazil are certainly not perfect, and they are sexist, also. However, women in Brazil are, in general, far more confident of themselves, far happier, and far more creative and functional in their relationships with men than women in the United States.

    Anyone wondering whether I am in a position to know about Brazilian women can reflect on the fact that I am posting this comment from Brazil. (São Paulo state)

    The social breakdown in the U.S. is so advanced that often even men are hostile toward men.
    • by inviolet (797804)

      In reality, angry people have high testosterone, whether they are men or women. The bodies of both men and women [jeanhailes.org.au] produce testosterone.

      Men produce about ten times as much testosterone as women. It's ~500ng/ml in men versus ~50ng/ml in women, though levels vary widely (most notably with age). Testosterone deficiency in aging men is a widespread but lamentably misunderstood and denied problem.

      Also, blacks have a lot more than other races, and Orientals much less... as is obviously appar

      • Testosterone deficiency in aging men is a widespread but lamentably misunderstood and denied problem
        I think it's not so much misunderstood/denied, but rather, that it's so hard to diagnose. Symptoms can be misunderstood for those general problems coming with age.
        • It's also not really something a man would brag with, like a tennis arm. Many would rather go and buy some herbal viagra than have their doc check what's wrong with Mr. Tiny.
      • Also, blacks have a lot more than other races, and Orientals much less... as is obviously apparent in their respective physiologies.

        You mean their larger average body mass. Because, yes, I would expect that groups with on average larger body masses would produce on average more .... bodily fluids.
        • by mazarin5 (309432)
          While I can't say whether or not his assertion is correct, I think what he's trying to say is that the testosterone is produced in higher concentration, not just higher amounts.

          Actually, I just did a little googling; a JNCI study implies a 3-19% higher concentration on testosterone in American black males than American white males. I didn't find anything one way or another about asian men, and the study itself has been cast with doubt; although looking around I can't tell if that's due to "bad science" or

      • Testosterone is a double edged sword. Too much and you get acne, balding, and it promotes prostate cancer.
      • by mstahl (701501)

        Also, blacks have a lot more than other races, and Orientals much less

        I don't mean to get all peecee on you, but it's "asians". You'd refer to a rug or a set of fine porcelain dishware as "oriental" but not a person.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by otomo_1001 (22925)
      Actually this general trend has come up in my circle of friends. Yes most are IT geeks, but not all by a long shot. But the anecdotal evidence is this: In general women outside the US seem to have less of a desire for a power struggle to "one up" themselves above men. This seems to lead to having a more successful relationships since there is less competition to be the person in power.

      Note I am not trying to say the guy should be the one in power in the relationship. Just that if both parties go in expectin
      • Note I am not trying to say the guy should be the one in power in the relationship. Just that if both parties go in expecting equality instead of trying to gain the upper hand things turn out better.

        Lol! Your version of "equality" sure sounds like the man is in control.

        My oldest friend says it is because of the "trade up" culture we have here. Marry the best model guy you can at the time, wait and shop around for a better model and then trade in the current guy and move on.

        And who can blame them? Men have been doing exactly that. Why do you think no-fault divorce has become so prevalent? It makes the serial monogamy of men who "trade up" that much easier - traditional divorce would have left them with a lot more of a financial support burden, it's not like women ever had to pay alimony. No fault divorce laws have meant a net loss for women in this culture.

        So now that more women have acheived financi

      • My east coast buddies say to just come to Miami and I will get married in a heartbeat.

        Your buddies are statistically speaking correct. There is a surplus of women on the east coast. [blogger.com]
      • by aztektum (170569)
        I just went through a relationship that ended similarly. She couldn't handle me having expectations of her, but if I failed to meet hers... What's worse she wouldn't even TELL me what those expectations were until she was mad that I had fucked it up. I digress.

        I lived in the midwest and now the northwest for the last 2 years. It's not just back there. There is definitely an expectation on the behavior of men in society while women almost get a free pass. I hear it from different social groups (least of all
      • I personally have had much more fulfilling relationships with women born outside of the US. The ones from within the US all tended to be far too materialistic and wanting to either change me personally or to want to dictate how the relationship progressed on their own.

        I can't say I'm surprised, but I've seen different problems with American women that the ones you listed, notably:
        1) Unrealistic expectations - that 200+ lb fat girl in your office really does think that Brad Pitt would fall in love with her
    • by dbIII (701233) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:40AM (#19141681)

      It seems that, at present, with the social breakdown happening in the United States, almost all science reporting contains some dishonesty.

      It's the Lysenkoism you get when you get anti-intellectuals in powerful positions in increasing numbers. This produces garbage in defence like MIT material scientists talking about bulletproof superhero costumes to get a grant when they know that some thickness is needed to absorb energy but the comics will be believed before they are. Another example is the creation debate coming up again - it's really about the anti-intellectuals challenging anyone with a half decent education and using the argument they are most comfortable with even though it is irrelevant - Mendel was actually a very pious monk so the religeon angle is just an excuse to pretend they know more.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by NIckGorton (974753)
      "Lesbians, for example, like to use the phrase 'testosterone poisoning' about men as a way of convincing women who have relationships with men to have sex with another woman."

      First, lesbians don't want to have sex with straight women any more than I want to have sex with you. I am a man who likes to have sex with gay men. Though even if you are a closet case... um I'm on a drama free diet. However George Takei might be interested... at least if you play basketball. http://www.devilducky.com/media/58118/ [devilducky.com]
    • by Guppy06 (410832)
      "It seems that, at present, with the social breakdown happening in the United States, almost all science reporting contains some dishonesty."

      This is "social breakdown" in the US? Not that 1960's, not even the 1860's, but this? I know the "... but with a whimper" bit, but isn't this taking things to the extreme?

      "The U.S. is the developed country in which women have the most disfunctional relationships with men."

      Got a link? I mean, just sticking with the G8, Japan comes to mind.

      And here's a question: what
  • by weighn (578357) <weighn@@@gmail...com> on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:05AM (#19141485) Homepage
    I tell my wife that all the time
  • Damnit! (Score:4, Funny)

    by DarkHelmet (120004) <mark@[ ]enthcycle.net ['sev' in gap]> on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:14AM (#19141545) Homepage
    The only reason I clicked on the link was to see if they actually had any pictures of angry people.

    I wonder what that means about my demeanor...

    • These articles piss me off!!! Arrrrgh!

      *turning green, clothes splitting, resembling Lou Farrigno...*
  • by ScrappyLaptop (733753) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:24AM (#19141589)
    ...but isn't this classic Alpha behavior? Do the psychologists even study chimps and gorillas any more? If your underling (or a potential threat to your rule) only briefly shows an anger face but not long enough to be perceived as a threat, that means you 'won' the confrontation and have established your superiority in the heirarchy.


    Of course, with chimps it's actually the ones that stay on the fringes and avoid the Alpha (we'll call them Chimp Geeks) that have the most sex with the females, as the Alpha & underlings are too busy and stressed about staying on the top o' the heap...

    • by spun (1352)
      On a complete tangent, why do we always compare human behavior to chimps and gorillas, but not to bonobos? Me, I'd rather live in a society where stressful situations were defused with copious sex, and the social hierarchy was defined by female genital rubbing rather than male poop-flinging and fighting.
  • The Actual Paper (Score:3, Informative)

    by TubeSteak (669689) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:25AM (#19141601) Journal
    Here's the link to the actual paper:
    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~oschult/publication s/ws2007pb.pdf [umich.edu]

    FYI their test group was 26 males and 24 females age 18~23
    They did two studies, the first was not controlled for time of day, the 2nd was.
  • by AJWM (19027) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:28AM (#19141615) Homepage
    Obligatory jokes aside, the experimental methodology was borked.

    Participants then worked on a "learning task" in which one complex sequence of keypresses was followed by an angry face on the screen, another sequence was followed by a neutral face, and a third sequence was followed by no face.

    Note the face alternatives: angry, neutral, or none at all. No happy faces, puzzled faces, or any face showing any emotion other than anger. Most people -- testosterone or not -- prefer some kind of facial expression to a totally neutral one. (It indicates some recognition of their presence.)

    Participants who were high in testosterone relative to other members of their sex learned the sequence that was followed by an emotional face better than the other sequences, while participants low in testosterone did not show this learning advantage for sequences that were reinforced by an emotional face.
    [s/angry/emotional/ from the original]

    That's all this experiment shows. Which probably really just means that high-testosterone folks learn this particular kind of task faster. Testosterone is known to have an effect on brain development, so it may just be that high-T levels are just an indicator for people whose brains are already geared to learning this kind of task faster.

    Sheesh.

    (Doesn't surprise me though. It's been my experience -- and I worked for several years at a university doing, among other things, statistics support for grad students and profs in the social sciences -- that psychologists tend not to be very good at experiment design. Maybe not enough testosterone ;-)
    • by xenocide2 (231786)
      I was chatting with an local entomologist student and during the conversation it became clear that biology is sort of stuck -- it's perceived as a mathematically weak science, which in turn leads to weaker math skills among scientists, and as a result never push mathematical approaches within the science. It might be that biology simply isn't suitable for the formulaic approach that physics and chemistry seem to be, but a side effect is that their students are also really bad at statistics, which is still
    • Indeed..
      A better summary would have been "High testosterone allows people to read facial emotions better"
  • by MidnightBrewer (97195) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:46AM (#19141715)
    What I find amazing about such so-called scientific reports is that they often seem to be based on a conclusion in search of a hypothesis. So, people responded most strongly to an angry face vs. a neutral face or the absence of any face (duh on the last one.) Talk about skewed! What, no happy face? What if people had reacted more strongly to that? That would have upset the conclusion just a bit.

    I think the best conclusion you can draw from this is that people respond to the stimulus of an angry face vs. a neutral one because it is in an animal's nature to avoid things that might hurt them. I would sooner respond to a rock thrown at me than one just sitting on the ground, too. That doesn't necessarily mean I seek to have rocks thrown at me, does it? It's a little something called a survival instinct. Sure, there are people who are just a little bit perverse and enjoy the adrenaline rush of somebody being angry at them, but I think bringing that into the article smacks of an author who either only poorly understands their subject, or is trying too hard to make it digestable for the average person.
  • Women (Score:3, Interesting)

    by tsa (15680) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:50AM (#19141745) Homepage
    Do women with more than average testosterone levels also like angry faces?
  • by Torodung (31985) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:51AM (#19141749) Journal
    I can think of another theory which would fit the results...

    How about people who have higher testosterone levels get bigger (or quicker) *adrenal responses*? Did these scientists check any other hormone levels? Did they have subjects hooked up to a pulse/ox monitor? Did they check adrenal response, and/or other fight-or-flight factors, when they administered their test?

    I have worked in a University psych department, and though it is not mentioned in the article, I doubt they had these subjects hooked up to so much as a *pulse/ox*. Most psychologists tend to divorce the brain from the body. It is foolish. The brain is just another organ, and we need to stop treating it like it is somehow mystically separate from the body. Especially scientists, who should be ashamed of themselves for doing so.

    News flash: Your brain is hooked up to your cardiovascular system, and if that gets goosed, your brain, if it can stand the strain, is going to be more efficient.

    I want to know what the subjects' heart rates were when they saw that angry face.

    But rather than investigating the obvious suggestion of a physical response to negative stimulus, these dopes claim that such men ENJOY seeing an angry face instead? Malarkey. I doubt *any* subject would agree with the sentence: "I like angry faces."

    I think the only goal of this study was to put down men, and how perverse we apparently are. These are politicians, not scientists, and when they collect data that may indicate that testosterone can confer limited advantage in crisis, they perversely claim that men *relish* anger, because no matter what data came back, that's what they've set out to "prove."

    Of course, there is the ugly fact that MY explanation might have us reviewing the concept of female combat brigades again, and that is politically unacceptable to these "scientists."

    "Guess What? Men _Are_ More Naturally Able When Confronting Hostility" (Can you imagine that headline?)

    But honestly, we can give female soldiers shots of testosterone to improve their combat readiness if my theory is correct. What can we do when we draw the *wrong* conclusion: that men "enjoy" anger? Ban men? Didn't Maureen Dowd write a book about that?

    God save us from politicians, and their damned lies, statistics, and correlative studies.

    --
    Toro

    Next study, "high testosterone" males more likely to shoot off angry emails without thinking!
  • by labradorx (658272) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @02:12AM (#19141835)
    Another horrible side effect is winning the Tour de France.
    • My awful joke made after working out: "Lance Armstrong with ball cancer was in better shape than I am healthy."
  • As my friends have noted since long time I feel pleasure from watching angry people. Even so as when people completely loose control and start shouting and screaming, I usually start laughing.

    I don't know why, but it gives me this nice feeling of focus, empowerment and a bit of a weird feeling I can't describe but 'evil calm'.

  • Ziggy wore pajama's on his way to extasy. joe walks his grandma. B e s t d e en hanc eme nt solution [wikipedia.org] your Te $t0st eron3. I'd love to see something like this come through my email box some day. It is true that consuming large ammounts of licorice can reduce the ammount of testosterone created by the body. It does not however reduce testosterone already there. I have not found any supporting evidence that this has an affect on women however. In China the goverment suggests consumers to limit their intake
  • Testosterone is a poison now? Having too much of it is being "poisoned"?

    Talk about hating men.
  • by Mr Z (6791)

    Ok, this article inspired me to go find a copy of "Macho, Macho Duck". I couldn't find an MP3 to download (but if someone has a link, please share). BUT, what I found along the way is not only relevant, but hilarious! The Torture Tape Experiment. [chunklet.com] Basically, the goal is to make a mix tape so awful, it drives your opponent mad. You and your opponent prepare tapes for each other, trade, listen and weep.

    Now, if this isn't something that digs at the "angry face" response, I don't know what is. Imagine goi

  • I'm (Score:3, Funny)

    by Yetihehe (971185) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @10:09AM (#19144747)
    I'm Jack's testosterone, I will kill you.
  • "University of Michigan Researchers": Read "Sensitive Urban Liberal Academics". —are unlikely to be able to distinguish between an angry face and a hard face.

    Not surprising that hard people are attracted to other hard people at a visceral level. Maybe they'll have hard children. Could save us all in the end.

    "Metrosexual?" Why make up a new word when we have a perfectly good old one: "effeminate".

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