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How To Turn a Mini Maglite Into a Laser 605

Lucas123 writes "Using the laser from a DVD burner, this instructional video shows you how to create a hand-held laser that is powerful enough to light a match and pop a balloon. There's some soldering involved and the Maglite's bulb housing needs to be drilled out to fit the new laser diode, but with some basic skill, most people could do this. Just plain cool." Update: 07/09 12:23 GMT by KD : Warning, the device that results from following these instructions will blind you if you look into it.
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How To Turn a Mini Maglite Into a Laser

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  • Uhhh... (Score:5, Informative)

    by tonsofpcs ( 687961 ) <slashback@NOSPAm.tonsofpcs.com> on Thursday August 09, 2007 @02:02AM (#20166335) Homepage Journal
    So basically you're not making a laser, you're just moving a laser from a drive into a flashlight case.
  • by Slashamatic ( 553801 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @02:31AM (#20166489)
    The problem isn't the current draw - it is the heat. The big laser pointers tend to ensure there is better thermal coupling to the case so the waste heat is removed. With this, it will tend to heat up the module until pssst... and your laser is dead. Should be ok for less than a minute or so.
  • Um, *excuse* me!? (Score:5, Informative)

    by edunbar93 ( 141167 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @03:10AM (#20166645)
    What part of "This product contains a Class 2 laser. Do not power on without enclosure" did you not understand? This has the potential for causing serious bodily harm, including but not limited to permanent blindness!
  • by Jah-Wren Ryel ( 80510 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @03:16AM (#20166679)
    There is a guy in the comments section of the blog who is giving out dangerous advice:

    That thing might blind you if you stare at it but second or 2 blast won't do any damage. It took a bit to pop the balloon and your eyes are probably tougher than a balloon.
    That is so completely false.

    If you can pop a balloon with it, it is probably in the 100mw range which is enough to do permanent eye damage in 1/100th of a second. That's faster than you can blink. You won't go blind instantly, you'll just burn out a bunch of optic nerves, producing a 'hole' in your vision. Chances are, your brain will correct for the hole and you won't even know its there, unless an object ends up right at that point in your field of view, at which point it will 'magically' disappear.
  • Re:Nice timing (Score:5, Informative)

    by hankwang ( 413283 ) * on Thursday August 09, 2007 @03:24AM (#20166715) Homepage

    would other speed burners still work?

    Yes. But the main problem is that you need some way to limit the electric current through the diode. Laser diodes behave a bit like LEDs, electrically: below a threshold (2.5 V or so) there is little current and they don't do much, and above that threshold, every 0.1 V you add will increase the current and light output enormously. Too much current and the diode will die in a matter of seconds. Apparently the laser diode he used was just right at 3 V from two penlites, although I doubt that he had a calibrated laser power meter to measure whether the output power matched the nominal power rating for the diode. The simplest way to limit the current is to use a higher voltage and a series resistor. Something else is that the laser assembly in different optical writers sometimes doesn't have the collimating lens attached to the laser diode itself: without lens a laser diode produces a very divergent beam.

    Now for safety: I work with fairly high-power lasers (up to 25 W) for a living and consider a hand-held 250 mW laser in the hands of someone without appropriate training in laser safety hugely irresponsible. According to the IEC60825 standard on laser safety, 200 mW will lead to permament eye damage within 1 microsecond (!) of exposure. The reason laser pointers are restricted to 1 or 5 mW (depending on the country) is that for those powers, eye damage will occur after 0.3 seconds, which is about the time for the blinking reflex to close your eyes in the event of accidental exposure. Unexpected reflections from things like glass can be up to 10% of the beam power - 20 mW (eye damage in 10 microseconds).

  • Mods, wake up! (Score:2, Informative)

    by T0t0r0_fan ( 658111 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @03:30AM (#20166747)
    Sure, cool and simple it is, but do you want to start placing bets on how many people are seriously going to think before pointing this at a mirror? This is the kind of article you'd expect to have a page of safety instructions in big flashing letters before ANY instructions. Free speech it is, but the author AND editor need to have some fscking sense of responsibility, too.
  • by dhalgren ( 34798 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @03:32AM (#20166761)
    . . .but read and understand the safety FAQ first:

    http://www.laserfaq.org/sam/lasersaf.htm#safssl2 [laserfaq.org]

    Torben
  • by Curien ( 267780 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @03:42AM (#20166789)
    It depends. In nickels (4.5g), the dollar is about 5 bucks per pound. If you use quarters (5.67g), you get about 20 bucks.
  • by LarsG ( 31008 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @03:48AM (#20166819) Journal
    With a 245mW laser, that should be modded informative, not funny. It is strong enough that it can cause permanent eye damage from a reflection, long before the blink reflex kicks in.
  • by LarsG ( 31008 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @03:58AM (#20166863) Journal
    The laser used in the article is said to be 245mW, so with regards to eye safety it would not be an exaggeration to say 'this is a weapon, not a toy'.
  • Re:Sure (Score:5, Informative)

    by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @04:14AM (#20166921)
    Green lasers can put out more energy because of their design in general. Now from the demo, it looks like this red diode is more powerful than the ones normally used in laser pointers, not sure on its power. I don't know what the maximum is, but it is in the 100s of mW. I don't know about the orange or blue diodes, haven't really looked at them. The problem is that they are rather expensive so I don't think you'll want to buy them. D batteries have the same voltage as A batteries, just more storage capacity. So using those will make it last longer. As a practical matter, the voltage you feed it needs to be whatever it was designed to take, so if 3 volts is what is called for, do not go over or under that, you'll probably just screw up your stuff.

    One thing to note though is that green laser are more complicated. There isn't actually a single diode that does green, rather it is an IR light that's generated and then frequency doubled to make green. In fact one would probably get more energy per square mm by simply using the IR output. Of course that is even more dangerous since you can't see IR and thus could be lasing your eyes and not know it.

    Before you do this, note three things:

    1) You can buy lasers over 5mW commercially. Just search Google for it, it isn't illegal or anything.

    2) To own and operate any laser over 5mW requires a license. You are responsible for getting it from the FDA.

    3) Messing with high power lasers (and yes over 5mW is high power in the laser world) is rather dangerous. That's why there's the limits. If you have a 100+mW laser, which is around what you'd need to light a match, even the reflected light could damage your vision permanently if you hit your eye. Given that you don't seem to know much bout lasers, best not to fuck around with this. Consider that the sun provides about 1000 watts per square meter to the earth, and that looking right at it will damage your sight in a few minutes if you aren't protected. That works out to about 1mW per square mm. So take a laser, who's dot is only around a square mm or two, then consider its power. Yes, it really is brighter than the sun. When you are talking about some of these high power 3B lasers, they are MANY times brighter than the sun. Don't play with powerful lasers until you learn about them.
  • Re:Um, *excuse* me!? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @04:18AM (#20166937)
    If the laser is just Class 2, then unmodified there is little risk. You can't find a laser pointer less than Class 3R for the most part. Supposing the video is genuine, it looks like the diode is being badly over driven and thus is now Class 3B or even a Class 4 which certainly is a concern.
  • by danskal ( 878841 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @04:32AM (#20166985)
    You are wrong! Great freedom comes with great responsibility, and freedom of speech does not have to be harmful.

    Freedom of speech or not, it is irresponsible to tempt people with limited or no knowledge to mess with technology that is likely to blind them or others. There is no age limit for readers of this site, so you have to assume that you might be speaking to teenagers or even kids. I would have thought that americans, with their love of lawsuits, would have learnt that by now.

    Especially IR lasers (invisible lasers) are dangerous, because they will damage your eyes and you will not even blink or know what happened. The first thing that happens is you feel pain, and the damage is done.

    Kids, have a game of soccer instead.... you might actually get a tan and some friends
  • Re:Nice timing (Score:4, Informative)

    by Alioth ( 221270 ) <no@spam> on Thursday August 09, 2007 @05:05AM (#20167109) Journal
    In all probability, the batteries will probably limit the current all by themselves - AA batteries typically are fairly high impedance sources and just can't deliver an awful lot of current. I have high power LEDs without much in the way of current limiting because the impedance of the battery (plus the Rds(on) of the MOSFET that turns them on) is such that the current is a little less than nominal (300mA rather than 315mA, with an absolute max. of 550mA).
  • Dangerous (Score:5, Informative)

    by KDan ( 90353 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @05:21AM (#20167217) Homepage
    What the article doesn't, and should say:

    This is a very dangerous toy

    IT WILL BLIND YOU IMMEDIATELY IF:

    - You look at it
    - You shine it on a reflective surface that shines it back into your eye

    No joke, people. Don't try this at home. I'd actually argue that this video is irresponsible since it does not mention the dangers of the item being built at any point. It will probably be uploaded on Youtube and a lot of innocent, curious kids will end up with one fewer eye as a result of this video.

    DO NOT USE UNSAFE LASERS WITHOUT WEARING THE APPROPRIATE PROTECTIVE GEAR (special goggles can be obtained for specific wavelengths, which will ensure that you cannot see the laser - and hence it can't hurt you).

    Daniel (who was paying attention during the Physics Dept 'laser safety' lecture)
  • Re:Dangerous (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09, 2007 @05:35AM (#20167265)
    Apologies for replying to my own comment...

    TO EDITORS: PLEASE ADD SAFETY WARNING TO THE ARTICLE SUMMARY!
    This is an irresponsibly dangerous video with no safety warning.
  • Re:Dangerous (Score:5, Informative)

    by JohnFluxx ( 413620 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @05:56AM (#20167363)
    I nearly blinded myself. I work with lasers, and was trying to align one of the mirrors. I misaligned one slightly, causing the beam to shine in my eye. I looked away immediately, but could only see darkness in that eye. I was so shit scared.

    I was in a foreign country. The company I worked for rushed me to hospital and this foreign doctor explains to my collegues that she needs to inject a needle in behind the back of my eye. You need to prevent the back of the eye from bruising and swelling up.

    She takes out her book of english and says slowly "This will..... hurt". And it did.

    Thankfully after 2 weeks my eyesight was back to normal.

    So please everyone - do be very careful. And if anything happens, it is _vital_ to get to a _eye_ hospital as soon as possible.
  • by SamP2 ( 1097897 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @06:19AM (#20167483)
    I seriously hope someone sues the fuck out of this guy SO badly that he'll never be able to afford a flashlight or a DVD burner again.

    I'd rather get shot with a gun than be blinded with that thing. And unlike guns, any asshole (or kid) can assemble one from parts, with absolutely no regulation, and leave me permanently blind.

    Don't realize how bad this is? OK, imagine this: Someone brings this to a disco and points it towards the revolving sphere = dozens blinded, permanently. This is not a joke. This can be used for terrorism, pure and simple.
  • by Dr_Barnowl ( 709838 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @07:08AM (#20167703)
    Such weapons are illegal under the Geneva Convention, as is any other weapon expressly designed only to maim. Laser weapons also have further clarification in the form of The UN Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons [wikipedia.org].

    Weapons that do maim are undeniably effective, since it not only deprives your enemy of the soldier, but also the resources required to provide him with medical attention, and to support him when he is no longer able to be productive. Anti-personnel land mines are the chief example of weapons which fall into a grey area here - most of them are potentially lethal, but most often fall short and leave their targets maimed.

    There have been various plans to produce merely incapacitating light-weapons, but in practice, it is difficult to produce a device than can dazzle your opponent [wikipedia.org] without at least some chance of permanent damage.
  • Re:Dangerous (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09, 2007 @07:56AM (#20167917)
    If you're planning to build one of those AND you 'like the idea of safety' then I suggest you do some serious research beforehand, instead of hoping for a correct answer by a random slashdotter..
  • by Ellis D. Tripp ( 755736 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @08:18AM (#20168035) Homepage
    Laser diodes generally require some type of current limiting to prevent damage. In the DVD burner circuit, that is the function of the third pin on the diode package (that the article simply blows off as "not used"). This pin connects to an internal photodiode, which is used to measure output power, and provide feedback through an external driver circuit to continuously control the current applied to the laser diode junction.

    The article simply places the laser diode directly across the 3V battery supply, with not even a ballast resistor to limit the current. You might get away with this with AA batteries, but if someone were to try this trick with a D-cell maglite, they would most likely let the magic smoke out of the laser very quickly.

  • Re:Dangerous (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09, 2007 @08:42AM (#20168217)
    If you liked that, here's a charming story from Laser Focus, August 1977.

    When the beam struck my eye I heard a distinct popping sound, caused by a laser-induced explosion at the back of my eyeball. My vision was obscured almost immediately by streams of blood floating in the vitreous humor, and by what appeared to be particulate matter suspended in the vitreous humor. It was like viewing the world through a round fishbowl full of glycerol into which a quart of blood and a handful of black pepper have been partially mixed. There was local pain within a few minutes of the accident, but it did not become excruciating. The most immediate response after such an accident is horror. As a Vietnam War Veteran, I have seen terrible scenes of human carnage, but none affected me more than viewing the world through my bloodfilled eyeball. In the aftermath of the accident I went into shock, as is typical in personal injury accidents.

    As it turns out, my injury was severe but not nearly as bad as it might have been. I was not looking directly at the prism from which the beam had reflected, so the retinal damage is not in the fovea. The beam struck my retina between the fovea and the optic nerve, missing the optic nerve by about three millimeters. Had the focused beam struck the fovea, I should have sustained a blind spot in the center of my field of visions. Had it struck the optic nerve, I probably would have lost sight of that eye.

    The beam did strike so close to the optic nerve, however, that it severed nerve-fiber bundles radiating from the optic nerve. This has resulted in a crescent-shaped blind spot many times the size of the lesion.

    The diagram is a Goldman-Fields scan of the damaged eye, indicating the sightless portions of my field of view four months after the accident. The small blind spot at the top exists for no discernible reason; the lateral blind spot is the optic nerve blind spot. The effect of the large blind area is much like having a finger placed over one's filed of vision. Also, I still have numerous floating objects in the field of view of my damaged eye, although the blood streamers have disappeared. These `floaters' are more a daily hindrance than the blind areas, because the brain tries to integrate out the blind area when the undamaged eye is open. There is also recurrent pain in the eye, especially when have been reading too long or when I get tired.
    This was caused by a reflection from an infrared laser beam of fairly low power (a 10 ns pulse totalling 6 millijoules). Note that the researcher wasn't actually looking directly at the reflection... the reflected beam was just in his field of vision and directed toward one of his eyes. So for those people who think 'not looking at the beam' is an adequate safety procedure... it isn't.
  • by AliasMarlowe ( 1042386 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @09:06AM (#20168493) Journal
    A laser from a DVD burner is 200-250mW or thereabouts. You can legally (in the US, anyway) buy ready-made laser "pointers" of comparable power. For example, wickedlasers.com sells the handheld 200-300mW Spyder II GX green laser with 1.5mm diameter beam and beam divergence below 0.8 mrad. Red lasers up to 125mW and blue lasers up to 30mW are also available.

    No, I don't have one. They're almost certainly illegal in my country.
  • Re:Dangerous (Score:5, Informative)

    by Ash Vince ( 602485 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @09:20AM (#20168659) Journal

    Next week on /. - how to convert your BB gun to fire 9mm rounds!
    You do realise that this can be done to certain models? Here are some links :)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ne ws/2003/01/05/ngun105.xml [telegraph.co.uk]
    http://www.criminal-information-agency.com/firearm s_record.php?id=8 [criminal-i...agency.com]
  • Re:Dangerous (Score:5, Informative)

    by dintech ( 998802 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @09:21AM (#20168673)
    My contact lenses block the government mind control frequency being sent through the television.
  • by One Childish N00b ( 780549 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @09:30AM (#20168773) Homepage
    But none of those are as effective at severe, permanent and indiscriminant damage than this, and who likes to cause severe, permanent and indiscriminant damage to lots of people? That's right, genius, terrorists. I don't know about you, but I like to think the average guy on the street isn't evil enough to do such a thing.

    I cannot overstate this, this is not a fart in a bottle.
  • by mazanoid ( 1114617 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @09:34AM (#20168819)
    Please mod this 5 and tack it up towards the top someone.

    Laser Standard Operating Procedures [csulb.edu]

    Laser Safety [csulb.edu]

    Check your particular DVD Rom, chances are fairly good that it's rated as a class I laser (non hazardous, but try not to stare directly at it...because like everything else it's probably made in china I wouldn't be surprised if to save a penny they underclassy the mW output to skip a safety inspection over in the usa heh)

    However, if it's a class II....

    The reason I am offering these links is because I doubt many people know that a class II laser beam will cause eye damage within as little as .026 seconds? 1-2 seconds could be more than enough to cause snow blindness style affects, headaches, and temporary eye tissue scarring?

    I got caught not wearing my ansi rated safety goggles at corning from a light gun and I couldn't see for about 3 days (snow blindness from intense UV exposure for 2 seconds). So let's practice some good sense people.

  • by halr9000 ( 465474 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @09:46AM (#20168985) Homepage
    [so much for the modding I'd done in this thread.]

    Due to an infection I obtained when I was 2, I've got partial blindness in both eyes. The infection caused scar tissue to form on my retina smack in the good part (center of the optic nerve junction) of my left eye. I can see objects and make out large things but I can't read with that eye at all. Think of it like your peripheral vision. Try this: put a page of text a foot from your ear and try to read it--while looking straight ahead. That's what my vision is like when I close my right eye.

    The right eye has some similar damage, but luckily the scar tissue formed only over a smaller area which is not positioned over the center of the optic nerve junction. So back to the parent's comment about your brain compensating, I can tell you from experience--it depends on how much damage there is. I can read, I can drive and so on, but my brain has to work a bit harder to make a complete image. I don't have 20/20 vision (even with glasses), it's more like 20/50. (I can read text at 20 feet that you can read at 50 feet.) I have to hold things closer to read them than most people, and it's pretty hard to read road signs while driving.

    So the moral to the story is twofold:

    1. Sandboxes are bad, toxoplasmosis bacteria likes to grow there and kids that play in sandboxes inevitably will rub their eyes.
    2. Don't mess with lasers. Holes in your vision--not cool.

    (I almost died laughing when I saw the "donotlookatlaserwithremainingeye" tag. I have a special place in my heart/right-eye for that line.)
  • Re:Nice timing (Score:3, Informative)

    by hankwang ( 413283 ) * on Thursday August 09, 2007 @10:23AM (#20169473) Homepage

    Personally I'd say the danger is somewhat exagerated. I have looked into red keyring laser pointers plenty of times with no ill effects. A seconds exposure from that kind of a laser will not harm you in any way.

    So did I, to be honest, although never several seconds. But: at 1 mW (visible light), the MPE (maximum permissible exposure) is about 1 second. The MPE represents the largest exposure which under worst-case circumstances does not lead to eye injury for 90% of the population. Worst case means that the eye and the laser source are stationary over the given exposure time, and that the eye lens is focused such that the laser light is concentrated onto the smallest possible spot size on the retina. If the eye lens is a bit out of focus, resulting in a blurry spot, you have some extra margin. I think the MPE values take into account that the eye is never completely motionless.

  • Re:Sure (Score:4, Informative)

    by smellsofbikes ( 890263 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @10:51AM (#20169841) Journal
    As I said in another post, DVD burning uses lasers rated for over 200 mW. You can buy a DVD burner for under $40 and strip out the laser, or you can often buy replacement/repair carriages for burners on ebay for even less.

    I haven't yet seen a straight green laser diode -- mine are all frequency doubled. However, many new green LED's are created using silicon nitride, essentially being blue lasers that emit at a longer wavelength, and it's not clear to me why they couldn't do the same thing with a blue diode.

    Lasing your eyes with IR sucks, but not as bad as with visible, because the front of your eye is mostly (*mostly*) opaque to IR so you'll just fry your cornea, which can be replaced. Visible will go through the eye optics system, get even more focussed, and fry holes in your retina, which is not repairable. I've worked with people who have gotten big blasts of UV, IR, and green, and only the people who got hit with green had blind spots in their vision. The others had to wear glasses or have lens/cornea replacements, but they had reasonable vision despite that.
  • Re:Dangerous (Score:4, Informative)

    by JohnFluxx ( 413620 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @10:54AM (#20169881)
    For what it's worth, my laser was 30nm pulse of about 3 mJ at 440nm (blue).
  • Re:Dangerous (Score:4, Informative)

    by smellsofbikes ( 890263 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @10:57AM (#20169925) Journal
    CD burners are 780-800 nm, in the IR. DVD's are 660, in the red. Blu-Ray are 405 nm, in the deep blue range. For CD and Blu-ray, welding goggles with a #5 shade would be adequate (complete IR and 10,000x visible attenuation) but for this laser you'd want something that had an OD of more like 7-10 in the red range. A good pair of glasses intended for helium-neon lasers or ruby lasers would probably work, but there are safety glasses intended specifically for these diodes, supplied to people who make them. Expect to pay about $350+ new, but ebay has laser safety goggles for cheaper. But get the technical specs on anything you buy used.
  • Re:Dangerous (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 09, 2007 @03:10PM (#20173427)
    When I get behind someone driving too slow and who won't willingly pull over, I want to launch one into their tailpipe, so the engine will choke up, and they'll have to pull to the shoulder.

    Except for the fact that they'll have stalled right in front of you and won't be able to pull anywhere, while you're stuck stopped behind them.
  • by Whuffo ( 1043790 ) on Thursday August 09, 2007 @04:18PM (#20174305) Homepage Journal
    Please - if you build one of these you need to be aware of the EXTREME DANGER involved in playing with this little toy.

    If you shine the beam into your eye - on purpose, by accident - or by bouncing it off of something shiny, it will burn holes in your retina. That's not "may" that's "will". We're talking about permanent eye damage, the kind that makes people blind.

    Operating one of these in your house or outdoors is dangerous not only to yourself but to others. Our world is full of shiny things; even imperfect "mirrors" can reflect enough beam energy to harm yourself or an innocent bystander; just one quick "flash" sighting of the beam's reflection is enough to cause permanent eye damage.

    I know that there's too many of you who will say "it'll never happen to me" and go happily waving your new super laser pointer around. I have one helpful tip for you: if you have a "wow, that's bright!" experience followed by things getting darker - get yourself to the hospital RIGHT NOW and tell them you got a look at a class IIIb laser. They'll know what to do and can probably save your eye if you get there soon enough.

    Laser safety goggles are a great idea - but only if you're playing with your laser indoors in a room with all windows covered and all shiny / reflective things removed or covered. If you take it outdoors and start waving it around, someone's going to get hurt.

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