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New 4100 Lumen Flashlight Can Set Things On Fire 464

i4u writes "Engadget is reporting that Wicked Lasers has introduced The Torch. It is the world's brightest and most powerful flashlight. The Flashlight is capable of melting plastic, lighting paper on fire within seconds, and if you like, fry an egg or a marshmallow on a stick. At 4100 lumens, The Torch is 100 lumens more powerful than The Polarion Helios, the former most powerful flashlight, and retails for around $300. The Torch is apparently also undergoing review at the Guinness Book of World Records."
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New 4100 Lumen Flashlight Can Set Things On Fire

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  • by Stereodude ( 1228710 ) on Monday January 28, 2008 @05:22PM (#22213218)
    This thing is total weak sauce compared to some of the home-brew / modified flashlights people have over at the Candlepower forums. In fact one of them (Maxablaster) is featured in this month's Popular Science on the How2.0 page. Apparently Guinness will only consider production flashlights for their records.

    Regardless, I'd link to some of them, but the forums there have enough time staying up as it is and they don't need the extra traffic. Here's a beam shot of the Maxablaster shining on some clouds 4 miles up. http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spotoncloud2dp4ta1.jpg [imageshack.us]

  • Re:Omg (Score:5, Informative)

    by Arthur B. ( 806360 ) on Monday January 28, 2008 @05:31PM (#22213336)
    about 2.10^-8 Newton per steradian

    (4100/683/c)
  • ObStephenson (Score:4, Informative)

    by Dr. Manhattan ( 29720 ) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (171rorecros)> on Monday January 28, 2008 @05:35PM (#22213384) Homepage
    Ah, it's no Galvanick Lucipher [candlepowerforums.com].
  • by Amonnil ( 874821 ) on Monday January 28, 2008 @06:03PM (#22213816)
    Available in the collections Flatlander and The Long Arm of Gil Hamilton.
  • Re:warning labels (Score:5, Informative)

    by dbitter1 ( 411864 ) <slashdotNO@SPAMcarnivores-r.us> on Monday January 28, 2008 @06:11PM (#22213918)

    I would really appreciate it if all my extension cords were clearly labeled for recommended maximum voltage.
    I'll assume you are serious and that isn't trollbait.

    Firstly, every cord *SHOULD* be labeled with maximium voltage... most likely 600V for most equipment. This is based on the voltage the insulation on the wires can withstand in a normal environment.

    What you likely meant to say is the maximum AMPERAGE (or wattage, which is voltage*amperage) a cable is designed for. This is a much harder thing to spec... just like a CPU, it depends what the temperature is. The larger a conductor (think cross-sectional area), the less resistance it has, and the less current will be lost to heat while in use. It is this heat that makes things unpleasant... you could take a "standard" cord and run 29384092385902380953A through it, but not for more than a millisecond or two whilst the metal melts and subsequently vaporizes in an explosive poof at room temperature.

    However, if you put it in liquid nitrogen, you likely will increase that time by several orders of magnitude... more assuming you can keep the cold flowing in (maybe a continual stream of L/N?)

    Coming back to reality, it may be safe to run your vacuum cleaner for a few minutes on the cord, even if it gets warm... assuming you *KNOW* it is getting warm, and you will stop using it shortly. Where it isn't safe is if you run a heater off of an undersized cord, then throw a rug on top of it to further keep ambient losses from cooling the cord, then spill something with a low flashpoint on the rug.

    Would make a hell of a warning label...

  • Re:warning labels (Score:5, Informative)

    by Mr. Slippery ( 47854 ) <.tms. .at. .infamous.net.> on Monday January 28, 2008 @06:27PM (#22214124) Homepage

    but a light that can burn shit?

    Only if you put the shit right up against the light.

    A 300 watt halogen bulb puts out almost 6000 lumens [acehardware.com], much more powerful than this light. You can start a fire with one, but not across the room or anything. You have to get the combustibles right up against it. (Which is why the newer floor lamps using this sort of bulb have a safety cage.)

    There are many things in your house more dangerous than this super-bright flashlight. Should they all have labels? The problem is that when everything has a warning label, the chatter drowns out the important warnings.

  • by joggle ( 594025 ) on Monday January 28, 2008 @06:55PM (#22214586) Homepage Journal
    Not all things are obviously dangerous (like this powerful flashlight). While most warnings are ridiculous, I think one on a seemingly harmless object that is in fact dangerous makes sense. Another example where you would see warnings is on cleaning products because when you combine ammonia ones with bleach chlorine gas will be released. That's not the most obvious thing in the world and that warning has probably saved many lives.
  • Re:Just curious (Score:5, Informative)

    by WhiteWolf666 ( 145211 ) <sherwinNO@SPAMamiran.us> on Monday January 28, 2008 @06:57PM (#22214636) Homepage Journal
    I'll assume this is a serious query. It isn't all that obvious.

    A 20gauge cord is most likely not capable of carrying enough amperage to power your beer fridge without either A)heating up, or B)outright failing.

    Situation A: A 100ft cord that heats up to unsafe temperatures may start a fire with any number of low-flashpoint items between your garage and basement.

    Situation B: Failing outright means that the cord heats up to sufficient temperatures in order melt the insulation off, exposing bare, high-temperature, semi-high voltage wires to the environment. They may spark, which can easily start a fire, the insulation might burn or char, and the exposed wires represent an electrocution hazard. This would be unsafe for a 4ft core, but a 100ft cord represents a line of death stretching the length of your house.

    Take a look at http://www.interfacebus.com/Reference_Cable_AWG_Sizes.html [interfacebus.com] . Those are conservative numbers for load carrying capacity, and deemed "safe" for 100ft or longer runs. You can potentially multiply those numbers by 2-3 for shorter runs.

    Even so, 20 gauge wire should really only be used for a 2-6 amp load; and on the lower end of that scale for a longer (100 ft+) run. A pretty average, smallish home fridge has a "max" current draw of 15 amps. Even your beer-mini-fridge probably draws 7-8 peak. 7-8 is greater than 2, and as such, is a fire hazard. And, with a 100ft run, most people would probably stick it under a rug, which results in even MORE heat buildup.

    The thing about it that makes it worse is that the circuit breaker will only protect you against over-current based upon the wiring load (assuming the electrician did a good job), not electrical cords, particularly wimpy electric cords. The only time the circuit breaker will kick in is after the electrical cord has shorted, and it may be too late by that point. If its a ground fault, and not a fire, and not an electrocution, a GFCI circuit might protect you, but it'll probably be too late for that, as well.

    That all being said, it's not common knowledge; but it should be. It takes a bit to educate yourself on this stuff, but its important knowledge, and a lot of lives could be saved, and fires stopped, if they taught this stuff in highschool.

    IMHO, its a bit pretentious to say that this, stuff is "common sense". The little endian nature of the gauge scale (not to mention that it is logarithmic so 19 gauge is 2x the diameter of 20 gauge), and the unclear nature of the warnings on the stuff is kinda useless. It would make far more sense to make the Amperage of all devices clearer (peak), and simply put "This cable can carrying X amps at Y temperature, and is unsafe for use at higher temperatures" on extension cables.
  • Re:Just curious (Score:3, Informative)

    by Chirs ( 87576 ) on Monday January 28, 2008 @07:07PM (#22214782)
    For long distances you may also need to take into account voltage drop...the cord itself may be fine but it may not be able to provide the proper voltage at the far end. Going one size thicker is usually sufficient to deal with this.
  • Re:Just curious (Score:3, Informative)

    by uglyduckling ( 103926 ) on Monday January 28, 2008 @07:21PM (#22214988) Homepage
    All cables have a resistance, which can be quoted as ohms per metre. So a cable that works fine for a 3m distance may well drop the voltage significantly over a 20-30m run. Thick conductors of the same material have a lower resistance per metre, so in general it's better to use the thickest cable you can for runs of more than a couple of metres, if you're going to be drawing a significant amount of power. (Significant means anything with a heater or a motor, or multiple small pieces of equipment). You can think about it like water pipes - narrow pipes will be at a higher pressure to deliver the same volume of water per second. It's also worth remembering that the energy lost by the voltage drop has to go somewhere, and that somewhere is heat. Depending on where the cables are run this could be a safety issue.

    Having said that I would expect your little beer fridge actually draws very little current and wouldn't be a problem on a narrow guage cable.
  • by Henry Pate ( 523798 ) on Tuesday January 29, 2008 @01:36AM (#22218270) Homepage Journal
    Lumens are the total energy output of the bulb, and doesn't change even if I focus the beam.
    Think of light coming out of a flashlight as a cone, the more concentrated the light is, the higher the candlepower is.

    So when you're using a Mag light and you change the focus of the beam, you're changing the candlepower.

    Perhaps I should've written that as a car analogy....
  • Re:warning labels (Score:3, Informative)

    by Wild Wizard ( 309461 ) on Tuesday January 29, 2008 @07:53AM (#22220026) Journal
    Unless the computer hardware is 110V only it should be able to accept almost any input from 90V to 300V AC or even DC.

    Modern switch mode power supplies are rather versatile, just not the ones that still have a voltage selector switch (flick it if you dare)

    For example here in Australia on 240V we lost a phase on the 11KV line to the local neighborhood transformer, the resulting output was around 110V per phase. The computers didn't blink but the fridge stopped working and our server on a UPS ended up without power due to the UPS been unable to cope with the situation.
  • by Stereodude ( 1228710 ) on Wednesday January 30, 2008 @01:38PM (#22236110)
    >How does 3000 Lumens (Maxablaster) make 4100 Lumens look weak sauce again?

    First of all the Wicked Laser flashlight in question doesn't put out 4100 Lumens. Real world testing shows that the formulas used to estimate the lumens of the bulb in that flashlight are about 2x as high as they really are at the power level the light is using.

    Second, the light coming from the Wicked Lasers flashlight isn't very well collimated. It's one thing to make a lights that seems bright from 3' away. It's another to make one that seems bright from miles away. Being able to put a visible spot on a cloud 4 miles away or light up buildings from 6.2km away is a lot more impressive than lighting stuff on fire from a few inches away regardless of the lumen output.

    Finally, There are far more powerful lights (in terms of lumens) made by other members on the CandlePower Forums. There is one light with 14000 bulb lumen. So, it's certainly not the worlds brightest flashlight.

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