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EU Commissioner Proposes 95 year Copyright 591

Albanach writes "The European Union Commissioner for the Internal Market has today proposed extending the copyright term for musical recordings to 95 years. He also wishes to investigate options for new levies on blank discs, data storage and music and video players to compensate artists and copyright holders for 'legal copying when listeners burn an extra version of an album to play one at home and one in the car ... People are living longer and 50 years of copyright protection no longer give lifetime income to artists who recorded hits in their late teens or early twenties, he said.'"
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EU Commissioner Proposes 95 year Copyright

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  • by thisisnic ( 1221358 ) on Thursday February 14, 2008 @01:00PM (#22421810)
    Why would artists need compensating for when people make *legal* copies?
  • Re:Why? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Laur ( 673497 ) on Thursday February 14, 2008 @01:09PM (#22422026)

    But then, when a successful artist dies in an airplane crash their wife and kids will be bankrupt very soon.
    That's what life insurance is for. Guess what, my employer will stop my paychecks when I die as well. The purpose of copyright is not to provide a legacy so your wife and kids will never have to do any productive work.
  • by alext ( 29323 ) on Thursday February 14, 2008 @01:27PM (#22422328)
    McCreevy is a Commissioner for the Irish Republic. He has previous form in attempting to impose US-style software patents in the EU.

    Previously Ireland finance minister, his basic position is whatever is good for big business is good for the EU.
  • Re:Why? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Schraegstrichpunkt ( 931443 ) on Thursday February 14, 2008 @01:29PM (#22422350) Homepage
    Do you actually think people don't make money from works in the public domain?
  • by Mirar ( 264502 ) on Thursday February 14, 2008 @01:40PM (#22422540) Homepage
    Wouldn't a 95 year copyright be significantly shorter than todays copyright of the life of the writer/artist + 70 years (in some cases +50 and +80)?

    Or does he propose 95 years post death of the writer/artist? Not many people live for 95 years after their death, so I don't see why they need the income.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14, 2008 @01:55PM (#22422812)
    This privilege was created to assure the creators of various inventions would have a short time in which to profit exclusively from their work before it was shared for the common good of all. This type of profit only thinking is was hampers progress for what would now become centuries. One ironic thing about this is that if more things fell out of copyright inventors would invent new things and combine old inventions for even more profit. Progress seems to be something the profit only thinkers have forgotten was part of the purpose of copyright. There has to be balance, right now it is insanely pushed toward the greedy verse the greater good of society. It is from these things socialist movements are born.
  • More Than Greed (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Nom du Keyboard ( 633989 ) on Thursday February 14, 2008 @02:02PM (#22422918)
    This is more than Greed. It's outright theft of the Public Domain. PD is gone for the rest of the lives of everyone living now - which is no different than forever.

    Back when the USA was first being founded, copyrights were eternal in Europe. America thought this was a Bad Idea, and put the words "secure for a limited term" into its founding document to stop this abuse. Europe eventually agreed, and eternal copyrights ended.

    But now, with a pansy Supreme Court that decides that whatever a bought-off Congress calls a "limited term" they're just fine with, we're headed straight back to the eternal copyright, because nobody remembers any longer just why that was such a bad idea in the first place.

    And then its a game of ping-pong, with the very same copyright lobby ratcheting the length of time up one place, than then screaming their heads off that everywhere else isn't "up to date" with "artist protections." Wash - Rinse - Repeat. And we're all being screwed over by it.

  • Re:Sweet! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14, 2008 @02:15PM (#22423134)
    "musical artists make their scratch from concerts, not album sales."

    Some of them do. I rarely have, unless a friend needed me to fill in for a single date here or there.

    Then again, I deal with the writing aspect and not much else. I have a day job that is fulfilling but doesn't pay the rent (working in education *AND* the music industry, you quickly learn what the nation values as a whole, but that is a whole different story).

    From helping friends write silly meaningless pop, I've put a down payment on a house, paid off all the debts I had as a youth and otherwise. If it weren't for album sales, I'd get nothing...*SUPPOSEDLY* I get paid some sort of royalties from when bands play their songs live, but I've never seen it (probably because it is assumed that these are the bands on record, they take care of this internally...not that I care).

    Most of the bands I've known that have actually made money, it is almost always through royalties and licensing. Its funny, I make more money from a really bad smooth jazz cd that I helped arrange that has been licensed to muzak or something, than I do the traditional stuff (because those fuckers ALWAYS pay their bills and keep their accounting straight...and yes, I do believe that if you are a small business owner playing music in your establishment, you are using it in a broadcast TO SELL GOOD AND THUS I SHOULD BE PAID TOO).

    You'd be surprised at how many artists that actually read their contracts make money on album sales.

    I'll probably be considered an astroturfing RIAA junior flunky, so I'll just post this anonymously and make it seem even more like that is what I'm doing...
  • Re:Sweet! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by eiapoce ( 1049910 ) on Thursday February 14, 2008 @02:33PM (#22423448)
    Answer is: Stop paying for music. Once they run out of money they will have no way of corrupting our goverment into these laws.
  • Charlie McCreevy is an ex-Irish MP and a chartered accountant whose biggest role was as Minister for Finance in Ireland.


    McCreevy was in fact, sent off to Europe for the express purpose of exiling him from Irish Politics. Even in his own Free Market centric party, his policies were far too Thatcherite to let him continue to make his characteristically brash polemics. He gleefully accepted his "promotion" to European statesman, and his party, and indeed the country, breathed a collective sigh of relief.

    McCreevy has a history of giving tax breaks and other concessions to industries and business that he "approves of". Witness his institution of a 0% tax on bets made at horse race meetings (he's a big fan of the sport). He's a supply sider with little time for anything that doesn't immediately net money i.e., fair use, hospitals, etc. He's been mentioned before on Slashdot here [slashdot.org] and here [slashdot.org]. The "loose cannon" quote is particularly apt.

    Charlie McCreevy is the type of politician lobbyists love. He'll wine and dine, brunch and lunch with all manner of industry representatives and indeed has by the looks of things. Rest assured that when he finally steps down from his post (forcing him out will require tectonic pressure) the entire European Parliment, and Union, will breath a collective sigh of relief.
  • Re:Sweet! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SerpentMage ( 13390 ) on Thursday February 14, 2008 @04:53PM (#22425554)
    You see the problem with parts of the Slashdot crowd is that they don't write the songs, or do the painting and don't realize how much work goes into the art.

    Let me compare this to painting. There are two ways you can go with painting. Painting masterpieces or production art. Production art are originals that are produced within a few days. Artists have to do this because people want originals and not reproductions. And people are not willing to pay oodles for something hanging on their wall. So the artist who paints is caught between a rock and a hard place.

    A musician on the other hand can take their time to come up with the next master piece because of copyright and the fact that people accept reproductions. Of course I some people who would never listen to a symphony on a CD and only live. But the reality is that copyright helps people earn livings.
  • Re:Sweet! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DragonWriter ( 970822 ) on Thursday February 14, 2008 @09:07PM (#22429088)

    If they don't get compensated for their work, there is no incentive to create new things. If you don't allow them to charge for distribution of their work, they are not getting compensated.


    Most copyrighted works make most of their money in the first handful years. A 15 year copyright would enable virtually every artist and author to make just as much money as they make under a 95 year copyright.

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