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New Dune Movie Confirmed 482

bowman9991 writes "Peter Berg will be directing a new big-budget Dune movie from Paramount. SFFMedia reports that 'although there were some doubts that they were going to get it,' the producers have secured the rights to the Dune novel from Frank Herbert's estate and are looking for writers to provide a screenplay that is true to the original text. Can't wait!"
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New Dune Movie Confirmed

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:33AM (#22962808)
    they've already ruined the dune series- lets hope the trend reverses like Batman Begins did for Batman.
  • by Chrisq ( 894406 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:34AM (#22962822)
    Why redo the first book in the series when there are many more in the service. The current Dune is a great film anyway.
  • by vecctor ( 935163 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:35AM (#22962832)
    I mean, I like Dune, but how many remakes is enough?

    Ok ok, the first one [wikipedia.org] was a bit off (but it had Patrick Stewart and Sting!).

    But the Sci-fi Channel version [wikipedia.org] was pretty good.

    I just wonder what is to be gained by doing it again.
  • by kyofunikushimi ( 769712 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:36AM (#22962854) Homepage
    Well, luckily this one stands a decent chance of sticking with the book's plot. HOWEVER, having purchased the rights certainly doesn't guarantee this will ever see the light of day. I'll hold my enthusiasm until they tell me they've got a working script.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:36AM (#22962856)
    Why redo the first book in the series when there are many more in the service. The current Dune is a great film anyway.

    The first Dune movie sucked. Maybe you never read the books, but it didn't capture much of anything good from the book. The made for TV mini series was amazing. That's how to do Dune.
  • I suspect that if the film does well enough at the box office that the studio would be interested in creating sequels. They need to create interest from somewhere, and Dune is a great place to (re)start.
  • by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve ( 949321 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:38AM (#22962880)
    I happen to think David Lynch is a genius. Some will not agree. That's fine. However, I think hopefully we can safely agree that Lynch does know how to direct (he's been nominated for several Academy Awards). The problem with the original Dune in my opinion is that the story is vast. It was just impossible to do justice to the story in a 2.5 hour movie. I don't personally consider the differences between the film and novel to be significant and for those who do, well, just wait until you see this film. If you think that in 2.5 to 3 hours that Peter Berg will somehow be able to produce a more faithful version of Dune , well, that's a rather interesting thought that surely will be proven false. Lynch had to leave out large sections of the first book to save time and Berg will operate under the same conditions. That's why the SciFi Channel filmed Dune as a multipart story.
  • Obligatory (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Bootle ( 816136 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:39AM (#22962888)
    The spice is life!
  • by JesusPGT ( 624264 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:43AM (#22962954)
    It may not have been incredibly faithful in terms of storyline, but its visual style is just on a completely higher level of awesomeness compared to the sci-fi miniseries. If they can make the story more like the book, but try to keep at least some of the design elements of the Lynch version, I will be happy.
  • by boris111 ( 837756 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:47AM (#22962992)
    I see how you correlate the examples you provide for the power struggle for resources, but I don't see how they're specific to Islamic culture. Provide examples that are specific to Islamic culture.
  • by halivar ( 535827 ) <bfelger&gmail,com> on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:49AM (#22963010)
    The first Dune movie is some of the finest cinema ever made, IMHO. It may miss the book at many significant points, but it does capture the tone and atmosphere of it. The costumes, set design, and dialog were all very true to the book. I also loved the Toto soundtrack. My only real beef is the removal of lasguns and the addition of "wierding modules." This is not enough to make me hate the movie, however.

    I don't need another remake of the first book, anyway. I'd much rather they made a movie on the second or third books.
  • by MacColossus ( 932054 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:50AM (#22963034) Journal
    The sleeper has awakened. Long live the fighters. "Oh-h-h, the Galacian girls Will do it for pearls, And the Arrakeen for water! But if you desire dames Like consuming flames, Try a Caladanin daughter!" I also enjoy the Dune references in Fat Boy Slim's "Weapon of Choice"
  • Re:Go Read A book (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Teflon_Jeff ( 1221290 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:55AM (#22963114)
    But then we'd ruin Hollywood's tradition of messing up good book-to-movie transitions!

    Seriously, you would think they learned from peter Jackson that the closer to the book you hold, the more popular it is.

    Besides, there's enough nerds out there, that if you get it close enough, they'll be chanting "The DVD is life!"
  • by SatanicPuppy ( 611928 ) * <Satanicpuppy.gmail@com> on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:58AM (#22963160) Journal
    The book is near-impossible to transfer accurately to film; there is waaaay too much internal dialogue and extremely dry politic-ing.

    Any movie that is actually going to be worth watching is going to have to hack out big chunks of that stuff.
  • by daVinci1980 ( 73174 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @10:58AM (#22963164) Homepage
    It seems like all Hollywood does these days is re-cover movies they've already made (which were generally adaptations of books in the first place).

    Seriously, there's only one of two reasons why these are successful:
    1) Nostalgia.
    2) The idea was good the first time around.

    We're rarely improving on the ideas at all. It's just mindless drivel rereleased again and again.

    NBC's fall line up consists of a Jekyll and Hyde remake, followed by Knight Rider, followed by... A movie studio (not sure who) is making another "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure", and yet another is making a sequel to Wargames [imdb.com].

    Seriously Hollywood: stop. Just stop it. You're embarrassing yourself.

    There are plenty of other books that you could make into movie that would translate well. For example, the Feist series of books, starting with Magician: Apprentice would translate pretty well to the screen.

  • by pla ( 258480 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @11:03AM (#22963210) Journal
    My only real beef is the removal of lasguns and the addition of "wierding modules." This is not enough to make me hate the movie, however.

    I would agree with you in that I much prefer Lynch's version. However, the addition of the weirding modules (and the complete avoidance of the lasgun/shield interaction problem) almost ceompletely undermined Herbert's intended mockery of religion...

    In the book, Paul (and Jessica) basically exploit the natives' superstitions to use them as pawns in a mostly-political game (although in fairness they do eventually "go native"). Lynch makes it out as more of a tune-in-turn-on-drop-out messianic fairy-tale.

    Both have their merits, but I'd hardly even call them the same story.
  • Re:Please be LotR (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cerelib ( 903469 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @11:11AM (#22963310)

    I honestly don't know how they did it.
    There is an important difference between how Dune was written and how LotR was written. Frank Herbert was spinning a complex plot that required quite a bit of internal dialogue, narration, and back story to let the reader understand the characters and their motivations. LotR on the other hand is a much more straight forward black and white, good vs evil story. Much of the back story parts are almost completely superflous to the story and instead are used to immerse the reader into the world. These things include historical descriptions of places and societies and of course songs/poems. Much of this can be skipped while reading LotR, but makes for a less enjoyable read. The advantage Peter Jackson had is that, with enough good cinematography and special effects, the format of a movie is good enough to provide the immersive experience to the audience. LotR is what is good because of Tolkien's style, and Dune is good because of Herbert's style, but they are quite different especially in regards to their ability to be translated to a feature film.
  • by AHumbleOpinion ( 546848 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @11:12AM (#22963318) Homepage
    ... but if the acting is supurb, and they're telling a good story, then I'm happy.

    Maybe, if you have not read the book. The 1980s theatrical movie had good acting and a good story but plot elements really knocked the movie down a notch, for example for many who read the book the sound based weapons were a strong negative. The Fremen won fights because their environment and culture made them tough, it was not a technological gimmick. The movie discarded a major element of the book, people adapting to and being influenced (culturally and physically) by their environment.
  • by Moraelin ( 679338 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @11:12AM (#22963328) Journal
    Well, that was my problem with David Lynch's movie, basically. It's like an abbreviated summary of the book. Actually, probably a better way to explain it, would be Woody Allen quote: "Woody Allen I took a speed-reading course and read War and Peace in twenty minutes. It involves Russia." That's just about it.

    If you had already read the book, I guess it wasn't a bad movie. It had just enough visual clues to let your memory do the rest. So you can look an go, "ooh, I know, this is the Gom Jabbar sequence", and you'd already know what led there, where it goes from there, and why is that important. While the movie would move to the next scene and give you yet another piece, and again, it would be mostly up to your memory to fill in the gap and put the new scene in context too.

    I, however, must have been one of the few who saw the movie before reading the book. In fact, I got the book only because the movie didn't make that much sense at times, and certainly didn't leave me with the awe for Dune that everyone else semed to have. (I know, I know, I'll hand in my nerd card now;) It wasn't a _bad_ movie per se, but in retrospect it just wasn't Dune. It was a mildly SF-themed action movie, where some guys fought for some desert planet, for some resource those guys had. And not only it was just as superficial as any other action movie (it could have been "Rambo Does Iraq" just as well), but the plot seemed a little bit condensed and rushed through even by action movie standards. Everything that made it... well, made it _Dune_, was at best hinted at, and sometimes it came via short scenes that didn't seem to make that much sense or have much relevance for the rest of the movie.

    Again, in retrospect I can see how you'd figure it out if you had read the book already, and only used the movie as a visual summary. Without that background, I wasn't impressed much.

    Can someone else do better? Heck if I know, to be honest. One can only hope. It's certainly impossible to do justice to the whole Dune story, you're right in that aspect. But maybe he can make a movie that at least makes sense on its own.
  • by Thomasje ( 709120 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @11:20AM (#22963490)
    Of course, Dune is a great novel, perhaps the greatest classic of the Sci-Fi genre... But after two disappointing attempts to bring it to the screen, maybe people should rethink the viability of turning an epic with such a convoluted backstory into a movie.

    Now, Ringworld, on the other hand... That's a classic novel that just aches to be made into a movie. A simple, easy to follow adventure story, with interesting characters and plenty of potential for awesome visuals. *crosses fingers*

  • by boris111 ( 837756 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @11:25AM (#22963564)
    True... I'll take Omega Man any day over I am Legend.
  • by imgod2u ( 812837 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @11:25AM (#22963568) Homepage
    I don't think Christianity has much in terms of merging of the feminine and the masculine.

    That aside, you're reading into the minor parts that most likely to pad the story with details. The Kwizatz Haderach is simply a profit figure. It unites the Fremen to become the dominant power of the world (and quite violently so). That is very allegorical towards modern day extremist Islam.

    The other theme is that the profit of the Fremen is not complete. The later books show this in that Leto II came and did away with the Fremen empire built by his father.
  • by AHumbleOpinion ( 546848 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @11:26AM (#22963576) Homepage
    Dune is incredibly relevant to our times because it shows how an oppressive power structure exploits a people's resources and make enemies of the natives ...

    That is not relevant to our times, it is relevant to all of human history.

    ... Dune provides insight into what makes an extremist and their motivations.

    No, *extremists* are usually looking for any excuse or pretext to justify their actions. Legitimate grievances are not required.
  • by gad_zuki! ( 70830 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @11:29AM (#22963628)
    Unfortunately its very hip right now to hate this movie, so the film community just focuses on its negative parts and the hard-core sci-fi fans are always pissed about even the slightest deviation from the book.

    That said, its a stunning movie. I've watched it many times and am always noticing something new. The design of the objects, sets, and costumes is extremely original and creative. It builds this dark alien sci-fi mood that no other movie has, perhaps with the exception of bladerunner. Its really an incredible piece of filmmaking and I hope the generation that associates Dune with the sci-fi channel should give it a chance.
  • ... but if the acting is supurb, and they're telling a good story, then I'm happy.

    Maybe, if you have not read the book. The 1980s theatrical movie had good acting and a good story but plot elements really knocked the movie down a notch, for example for many who read the book the sound based weapons were a strong negative. The Fremen won fights because their environment and culture made them tough, it was not a technological gimmick. The movie discarded a major element of the book, people adapting to and being influenced (culturally and physically) by their environment.

    A-frickkin'-men-, brother.

    Dune may have been dedicated to dryland ecologists, but we all know the book and series were for Anthropologists.

  • by halivar ( 535827 ) <bfelger&gmail,com> on Friday April 04, 2008 @11:34AM (#22963740)
    I didn't take it as mockery, per se. Rather, it seemed consistent with the overall theme that, in politics, everything is a tool. Religion, sex, family, war; nothing is sacred in the Dune universe, and there are no clean hands. Everything is pragmatically engineered for maximum exploitation.

    It is rather cynical, but not mocking.
  • by Rogerborg ( 306625 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @11:59AM (#22964162) Homepage
    Please note: a movie can be "a great film" without being a great adaptation of a book.
  • by Z00L00K ( 682162 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @12:11PM (#22964338) Homepage Journal
    I personally liked the old one directed by David Lynch [imdb.com]. That movie did leave sections out, which unfortunately made it a bit thin compared to the book.

    But I still think that any new movie has to be measured against this. As I have understood it that movie was cut down quite a bit. I heard that there was 8 hours cut out of the original filming. But I suspect that some of it were bad scenes and duplicates and that the remaining parts have been destroyed by now so a "full version" or anything else may be lost to the void.

    But another question is - Why redo that book again? Let us see some other of the well-known authors filmed. Asimov's "Nightfall", Gordon Dickson's "Way of the Pilgrim", Frederick Pohl's "Gateway", Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" (which gave us the word "Grok") or "Citizen of the Galaxy", Keith Laumer's "Galactic Odyssey", Jack Vance's "The Demon Princes", Alfred Bester's "The Stars My Destination", Jack McDevitt's "A Talent for War", Brian Aldiss epic "Helliconia", Christopher Anvil's "Pandora's Planet", Steven Gould's "Helm", Alfred Elton van Vogt's "The Empire of Isher".

    There are also books that are better suited for TV series of course. Gordon Dickson's Dorsai books and the many Sector General stories from James White.

    And there are books/authors that has produced enough material to allow creation of an epic series that sure could take on Star Wars (but sure be very different) like Iain M Banks Culture novels, the "Hope" series of David Feintuch, Asimov's foundation books, Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game" and following books.

    But maybe this just indicates that Hollywood needs to play it safe - but I think that they play it too safe in this case. One movie that's available on DVD still and the mini-series that was released a few years ago must surely have blunted the market for a third movie on the same story.

  • by FuckTheModerators ( 883349 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @12:14PM (#22964364) Journal
    And the Matheson novella any day over any movie of it.
  • how many remakes is enough?

    Agreed.

    Why not abuse another epic SF classic, like Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land [wikipedia.org]*, Asimov's Foundation [wikipedia.org], or perhaps even Delany's Dhalgren [wikipedia.org]?

    Even Herbert had some other novels that would make awesome movies (Whipping Star [wikipedia.org], Hellstrom's Hive [wikipedia.org], The White Plague [wikipedia.org])...

    (*I hesitate to even mention RAH, due to the inevitable flame war that his name inspires, and SiaSL is not the most cinematic story in his bibliography, but it's arguably his most thought-provoking work.)

  • by HiVizDiver ( 640486 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @01:31PM (#22965396)
    I would agree. The visuals sucked in the miniseries, but the story was much better. The stillsuits, for example, were ridiculous. Much more believable in the movie (among many other things). Paul and his mother running in front of the giant movie screen (it was SO obvious) when they're traversing the desert in the miniseries was kind of what killed it for me (in terms of effects and cinematography). If there was a way to meld the David Lynch visual styling with the story they kept more intact for the miniseries, THAT would be awesome.
  • Here here!

    Though I doubt that the Muslim-ish-ness included in the book would make it okay for modern American audiences. As moronic as that sounds and is. You can here the commentators now "ZOMG MUSLIM HEROS! it endorses terrorism!"... God I hate modernity.

    You definitely described my dream movie though, especially with the Viggo as Duke Leto bit. I full haredly endorse using Viggo for any kick ass roll. I'd prefer him as Stilgar though. I know the ages don't match, but it would kick as to see him running around with a crysknife killing shit.

    The only thing I'd want to carry over from the 84 movie is the BIG set design, and epic feel.

    I would be okay with Cronenberg, but I also wouldn't mind Peter Jackson giving it a LoTR treatment. LoTR is probably the most faithful treatment of "geek lit" to date. The only problem is I doubt these is anywhere in NZ that Arrakis could be set. Make it a full trilogy (first 3-4 books) too. The end of the first book, taken alone, makes to much of a "huh what next" moment to not move on to the sequels.

    According to IMDB its being directed by Peter Berg, which doesn't make me hopeful.
  • by kbahey ( 102895 ) on Friday April 04, 2008 @05:33PM (#22968238) Homepage
    There is a lot more Islamic and Arabic stuff in Dune that one thinks.

    See Arabic and Islamic themes in Frank Herbert's Dune [baheyeldin.com].

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