Free (As In Speech) Beer, V2.0

AgentPaper writes "Three years ago we discussed an open source brewing project in which a Danish brewer made his beer recipes available for public consumption and alteration. The concept has taken off, first with the 'Free Beer Project' in Denmark and now with Flying Dog's 'Collaborator' Doppelbock in the US, which was created via input from home brewers across the world. One version of the Collaborator is commercially brewed and available for purchase (and is darned tasty), but you can download the same recipe and labels, brew it yourself, and submit your mods back to the project."

The first thing I ever got from the net ...

[dbIII]

... was free beer recipies. It was "The Jolly Brewer" in postscript format made by people on alt.rec.brewing some time in the late 1980's or early 1990s. It was certainly before the web came along in 1992.

Beer isn't software

[Anonymous Coward]

There are many of us who brew beer as a hobby. We have competitions. We help each other. We trade recipes and equipment. Some of us are a bit stingy with our beer though.

There are university courses on beer making. Beer making is well understood. It is not at all like programming. All of the effort is in the programming, once the program is written, that's it, you're done. Beer recipes are fairly simple programs that don't change all that much between beers that are quite different. The goodness of the beer is determined by the skill of the brewer. Given the same recipe, two of us will produce different tasting beers.

How you heat and cool your beer determines how the different enzymes will work and that determines how the beer tastes (in addition to the obvious hops and barley). The exact temperature profile is a function of your equipment. Beer made in a large batch with steam heat and water cooling will be different from my five gallon batches.

Beer is a craft. It isn't the same as software because the same program (recipe) won't always produce the same result. The program I wrote yesterday will run the same any time of year. Beer, on the other hand, cares when I make it. Around here, we don't brew between May and October.

Creating an open source beer project ... I don't see the point.

Re:Nice, but where can you get it

[Anonymous Coward]

Suggestion: join CAMRA or whatever US equivalent there is which is interested in craft beer and organising beer festivals, or patronise your local pub which specialises in craft beer. Get in on organising the beer festivals. Talk to a local microbrewery about a festival special - provide the recipe (making sure they know how it all works). Go there and brew it with them. Drink draft beer at festival and stock up on the bottle-conditioned product. Start process again.

We did it (http://www.s-mart.net/freebeer/) and the second batch is one of the nicest beers I have ever had. Go do it! NOW!

Re:Beer isn't software

[wrook]

As an avid brewer, I agree with your points, but not your conclusion.

One of the biggest challenges to improving your brewing is brewing to style. But style definitions are imprecise and very subjective. That's why all the style definitions come with commercial beer reference points. Dry Irish Stout - Guinness. Bohemian Pilsner - Pilsner Urquel.

With these references, anyone who has access to commercial beer can learn more about the style. They can try to intentionally brew a beer in that style. However you're still in a bind. Let's say Fuller's London Porter is considered a reference for "London Porter" - how would I go about brewing that specific style? What grain bill should I play with? Is roast barley appropriate? Where on the hop scale should I be?

The more information I can get about a commercial beer, the better off I am when I try to make beers like it. Sure, I'm not likely to be able to make a clone without a huge amount of work. But it's a good starting point for learning.

A commercial brewer that gives up this information is inviting the amateur brewer to share in the creation process. They are saying, "Please try to make something like this." And while not the same as the 4 freedoms in free software, I find the sentiment similar.

Re:Missed half the point!

[tgatliff]

I have made beer for many years (extract and all grain), and I can tell you that most real ales and lagers, the best you can do is about break even. Meaning, on the high end side of beers, you can do allot better because their transportation costs kill them, but for many of the domestic beers its very close... I will admit that all grain brewing is cheaper than extract, but... Well you get my point...

Anyway, the reason I still brew my own beer is simply because I think the quality is better, just as I think OSS is as well. Most import beers ae oxidized quite heavily by the time you get them, just as with most commercial software (Vista comes to mind here) is as well, but if you brew it completely on your own, especially with natural carbonation, then that living beer can last for at least a decade. For OSS, it actually is allot longer... :)

Re:Missed half the point!

[Nitewing98]

Mom always taught me that anything you could buy at the store or a restaurant could be made cheaper at home. In the late 60's and early 70's I watched her make cheese, can jelly and pickles, bake bread, and try winemaking.

Because of that, I sometimes bake bread, love to cook, and have started making my own pickles.

I think the idea of applying the FOSS method to recipes is brilliant!

Re:Missed half the point!

[timmarhy]

eh, only break even? what the hell are you brewing with? hops for a single brew cost about $8, grain costs about $10 ( 5kgs). add in about $4 for CO2 and gas. that's $22 (AUD) for 20L of beer. in real terms that's a bit over 2 slabs which would normally cost up to $60 - $80.

there is an initial outlay, lets be generous and say you got a keg system with 2 kegs a filter CO2 regulator and all the bits and pieces. you can pick those up on ebay for $400. that gear would pay for itself after 10.5 batches. thats not even taking into account the fact you can resell the equipment later on, and most probably recoup 60% or better of the cost (kegs go up in price, not down)

Already Avaiable in Brazil

[famazza]

Since November, a brazilian brewer, Germania, is offering bottled free (as in speech) beer. The version is 3.4, and it seems to be good.

Am I all alone?

[filthpickle]

I worked at a liquor store as an easy 2nd job a few years ago. They sold craft beers and I tried just about every one and really enjoyed a lot of them. Still do enjoy them, but I can also drink cheap beer and still enjoy it.

Is there anyone else that likes craft beer, but still likes some domestic big brewery beer? I can't be the only one that is happy with an Aventinus, but would also be happy with a High Life. Markedly less happy, but still happy.

I can't stop drinking Oberon the last few weeks, but I went to a Derby party the other day and didn't mind at all that they only had Bud and Miller. (I should state that I don't actually like Budweiser...although I don't hate it, because there isn't enough flavor there to rise to that level...now dogfishhead 120 minute...I HATE that shit)

And from my experience at the liquor store I would also like to say to everyone that drinks craft beer or brews their own "GET OVER YOURSELVES". This may not apply to you, so disregard if it doesn't, but everyone at the store hated just about every one of the regulars that would get craft beer. They were pretty much insufferable arrogant asses to a man. Just because you don't drink light lager doesn't mean that you are a genius, and just because someone drinks Budweiser it doesn't mean they are an idiot, most people just don't care that much about it. It comes down to "this one is 9 dollars for six?, I can get 12 budweisers for that"

Maybe it was just the location, it could be that there aren't just that many craft beer drinkers around here so they developed an Us against Them attitude. There is a bar around here that has an amazing beer list, but the people that own it/hang out there are such assholes that I just don't go there. The owner has literally thrown people out for ordering a Budweiser. There is a server there who is openly rude to people that come in and have no idea what they want because they never drink that kind of beer.

Just my 2 cents.

Speaking of Collaboration...

[siwelwerd]

Slightly off topic, but close enough. Two microbreweries, Avery and Russian River were both producing beers called "Salvation". So instead of suing each other, they got together and blended the two beers and started marketing it as "Collaboration not Litigation". Great beer, great story, and the proceeds are going towards an educational trip to Belgium for the brewers.