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Star Trek Premiere Gets Standing Ovation, Surprise Showing In Austin 437

MrKaos writes "Proving that science fiction can still be great entertainment, J.J. Abrams appears to have impressed Star Trek fans at the official world premiere of Star Trek, who gave the film a five-minute standing ovation at the Sydney Opera House in Australia today. Meanwhile, mere hours beforehand, flummoxed fans at the Alamo Drafthouse theater in Austin, TX, deceived into thinking they were seeing a special, extended version of Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan, were pleasantly surprised when a disguised Leonard Nimoy greeted them and announced they would be seeing the new film in its entirety. ILM's influence on the film is reported as visually stunning, and lucky Australian fans are scheduled to see the movie first, as it opens a day before the American release."
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Star Trek Premiere Gets Standing Ovation, Surprise Showing In Austin

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  • Wait...what? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gnarlyhotep ( 872433 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:10AM (#27503815)
    "Proving that science fiction can still be great entertainment"

    When was this something that needed to be proven? I've found plenty of entertaining science fiction around. Did I miss the elitist newsletter that told us all we had to say science fiction was crap now?

    Jeez, miss one meeting...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:17AM (#27503915)

    I suspect there were some Star Trek fans like myself at this screening. I do not worship all things Trek. As the fan that I am, I would not hesitate to criticize the film if they screwed it up and screwed with Star Trek too much. With that in mind, it's a safe bet the reaction of the audience is genuine, albeit emotional (Leonard Nimoy as a surprise guest [would that be an oxymoron (was he dressed in Vulcan prostitute garb?)?]?) because of the whole spectacle presented to them. Purple monkey dishwasher.

    Still, the general release and the reviews thereof I expect will be manly positive and full of delectable man-sex.

    -Dan East

  • by Narpak ( 961733 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:30AM (#27504135)
    Personally as long as something is done well it don't have to be new. If the new incarnation of Star Trek is well made and entertaining, then I nothing is better than that. It is far easier for "established" licenses to get the budget movies like this get. Of course I wouldn't mind seeing something darker and more gritty than Star Trek within the realm of science fiction. But at least a well made movie constructed on an old concept is better than a crap movie based upon a new concept.
  • Nuclear wessels (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dkleinsc ( 563838 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:32AM (#27504159) Homepage

    FTFA:

    Anton Yelchin's Russian accent in his portrayal of Chekov does get a bit annoying.

    What do you expect Yelchin to do with that part, now that Koenig completely immortalized bad accents for Chekov?

  • by Zordak ( 123132 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:33AM (#27504187) Homepage Journal

    write your state representative and senator and get them to support Representative Dawnna Duke's economic incentive bill.

    Or you could just let them succeed or fail on their own merits like every other industr...

    Never mind. Apparently, that's not how we do things anymore in America (or Texas). So yeah, give 'em a handout. Just make sure it's tied to some venue tax in Austin, so I don't have to pay for it.

  • Re:Wait...what? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by clang_jangle ( 975789 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:36AM (#27504229) Journal
    That's just the uninformed younger generation. They haven't had much opportunity to experience great science fiction, since they don't read novels and few great science fiction films have been made in their lifetime.
  • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:37AM (#27504259) Journal
    Am I the only one to see the irony in someone claiming that the solution to the lack of original ideas is to copy ideas from books?
  • by Abcd1234 ( 188840 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:40AM (#27504315) Homepage

    Pike would. Or is this yet another one of the billion plot holes?

    If, by plot holes, you mean elements they changed as part of the *reset that this movie represents*.

    Honestly, what part of "not following cannon" do you people not understand?

  • Re:All trekkies (Score:3, Insightful)

    by elrous0 ( 869638 ) * on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:41AM (#27504337)
    The guy from Spaced [wikipedia.org] (I think his name was Simon Pegg) always used to say that odd-numbered Trek's ALWAYS sucked. He was a wise man, that one.
  • by nine-times ( 778537 ) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:43AM (#27504389) Homepage

    Let's not fool ourselves here-- if you think Hollywood has an idea shortage because they're recycling old ideas, stories, and characters, then all of humanity has had an idea shortage for a few thousand years, at least. And I say "at least" because the writers then may have been stealing ideas, but we just don't have records of the ideas they stole.

    This era of reboots is fantastic in my opinion. It's what cultures do when they have a rich culture to draw from, which is that they take the old ideas and stories, and reinvent and reimagine them in a way that makes them relevant and poignant for the time. The original series was great for its time, but yeah, it's becoming increasingly dated as a relic of the 60s. The general setup of a band of explorers and the characters themselves, however, still have relevance.

  • Re:These are fans (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mea37 ( 1201159 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:46AM (#27504447)
    You mean like how Star Wars fans went easy on Lucas for Episodes I-III?
  • by rpillala ( 583965 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:51AM (#27504537)

    This post is a better movie than Nemesis.

  • I'm not impressed (Score:3, Insightful)

    by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @11:59AM (#27504653) Journal

    "gave the film a five-minute standing ovation at the Sydney Opera House in Australia today."

    The Star Trek fans did exactly the same at the end of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and that is one of the worst movies of the franchise. I suspect the applause had more to do with seeing Star Trek *return* than any relation to artistic merit.

    On the other hand:

    Maybe I'm just being cynical. Abrahms produces a lot of crap. Lost sucks (boring - slow as molasses), and Alias was also lousy except for the brilliant first season. I am not expecting anything from him.

  • by tnk1 ( 899206 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:01PM (#27504697)

    If they were pissed, they are morons. They've seen Khan a hundred times already in every format imaginable. Chances are good that the real event will happen again.

    I mean, if this is actually a good film, who wouldn't want to be able to tell their friends that they got to see if first? With Nimoy, no less?

  • by Richard_at_work ( 517087 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:01PM (#27504701)
    Why would they have had the entire film print there, just in case? It doesn't make sense...
  • Re:Wait...what? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by xouumalperxe ( 815707 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:01PM (#27504705)

    I've found plenty of entertaining science fiction around. Did I miss the elitist newsletter that told us all we had to say science fiction was crap now?

    Hell, did I lose the memo that said that crap scifi (or is it syfy?) can't be entertaining?

  • bad polling? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Frosty-B-Bad ( 259317 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:02PM (#27504721) Homepage
    These were people coming to see a remake of Wrath of Khan, how hard is it to impress them when you show them a new Star Trek film? I mean it would be like going to a Republican convention and finding someone that would enjoy Rush Limbaugh's newest book, your not trying very hard. I would go as far as to say

    FAIL.

  • by lessthan ( 977374 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:02PM (#27504723)

    These aren't people that know what a good movie is.

    I don't get this sentiment. If the Internet has shown us anything, it is the fans are the most critical audience. If the movie had been bad, there would have been a riot.

    Of course, the article could have exaggerated or outright lied.

  • by kurrentgmail.com ( 1527657 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:05PM (#27504755)
    You know there was ONE huge trekkie there that was actually mad he wasn't seeing the special extended version of wrath of khan and was forced to watch the new movie.
  • Re:Review? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Sun.Jedi ( 1280674 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:20PM (#27504989) Journal

    Reviews from a clearly biased crowd -- they were there to see a 27 year old movie with an advertised 10 extra minutes of footage.

    I'm not pissing on the parade, just making the point that I would not have expected a negative review, given the circumstances.

  • SW != ST (Score:3, Insightful)

    by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportland&yahoo,com> on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:21PM (#27505015) Homepage Journal

    Star Trek fans have a different mind set the Star Trek fans.

    Star Wars: "You better be better then our memories of the first time we saw Star Wars bitch!"

    Star Trek fans: "Alright, another Star Trek! Let's be excited for the privileged!"

    Oddly enough, even people who are a fan of both have those attitudes toward the respective franchises.

    I suspect it has to do with the roots of the franchise. ST was hard fought by the fans SW came out of the gates blowing people away.

  • Re:Superficial? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by 77Punker ( 673758 ) <spencr04 @ h i g h p o i n t.edu> on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:25PM (#27505079)

    This is how they get non-trekkies into a Trek film.

  • Re:Wait...what? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MozeeToby ( 1163751 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:33PM (#27505191)

    I think what he meant was "Proving that science fiction can still be great pop-culture entertainment".

    There's a big difference between what a sci-fi fan finds entertaining (speculation about future technology and society, viewing the problems of today through the lens of fantasy) and what the average guy on the street finds entertaining (I'm going to resist the temptation to lampoon the average guy's tastes).

    Don't believe me? Look at the most popular 'sci-fi' movies in history (truly popular, not just cult classics) and think about whether or not they are really science-fiction the way you think about it. Pop-culture sci-fi uses the futuristic/technology aspects as plot devices to make a fantasy story work. What makes the new Star Trek movie interesting is that it seems to be both science-fiction as well as pop-culture science-fiction at the same time.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:50PM (#27505389)

    "I can't imagine (though I guess it's possible) even Spock himself would dare show the full movie without authorization. So that may have been planned. The destruction of a print of Wrath... probably wasn't."

    Oh, come on. What are the statistical chances of Nimoy being present when any film, let alone a Star Trek film, let alone on the day before release of a new Star Trek film, bursts into flames in the projector and they happen to have the whole new film ready to go rather than only 10 minutes of it? The odds against must be astronomical. (We'll call it the "Nimoy paradox")

    It was a dramatic setup. I like it, actually. It's funny (reminds me of a trick Monty Python used to use). But the whole thing was almost certainly staged.

  • by Jabbrwokk ( 1015725 ) <grant.j.warkenti ... m ['il.' in gap]> on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @12:51PM (#27505403) Homepage Journal

    First screening impressions sometimes don't mean anything.

    I would like to piggy-back on your comment suggesting early reviews were coloured by the excitement (which is probably bang-on) and point out that in the theatre where I watched the first screening of Star Wars: Episode I, there was a standing ovation after the movie was over.

    Later I realized there was a standing ovation BECAUSE the movie was over.

  • by An ominous Cow art ( 320322 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @01:19PM (#27505849) Journal

    Or for newer space opera, any of Alistair Reynolds or Peter K Hamilton stuff would work well. I don't think general audiences are ready yet for Iaian Banks or The Culture.

    I think Consider Phlebas would make a good movie. There's enough action and special effects to appeal to a wide audience.

    Lensman movies, done right, could be great.

  • by osu-neko ( 2604 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @01:31PM (#27506029)

    It's not possible to do any good novel justice in a movie. A two hour movie can do justice to a short story. A miniseries can do justice to a novella. A good novel requires a series, and probably two or three seasons. It's not a question of whether a movie is going to bastardize the book it's based on, the question is just, how badly?

  • by IndustrialComplex ( 975015 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @01:38PM (#27506145)

    "shields down to whatever percent"

    Out of curiosity, what is wrong with that?

    I've always viewed it as a measurement of intensity that is rebuilt over time. Since we aren't dealing with something as simple as magnetic fields (which would be amazing if projected to something the size of the enterprise).

    I don't know exactly as I'm not really that into ST. But what's wrong with the % measurement?

  • Re:Wait...what? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by osu-neko ( 2604 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @01:52PM (#27506407)
    Not sure if that would have saved it. There has to be a reason for me to care, or giant robots smashing each other is just boring. Something unexpected happening would have been helpful, too, but when a movie is so utterly predictable, has no real compelling story or reason to care about what is happening in it... giant robots, well rendered, fighting each other, would make a cool few minutes for a short of some sort. After a few minutes, even that gets boring if there's nothing else...
  • by Maxo-Texas ( 864189 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @02:58PM (#27507473)

    Yes. That was a good one.

    There is a difference between an actor doing a good job delivering their lines and selling those lines to you. Good writers are required too of course.

    Sort of a 1984 reference too.

  • Re:All trekkies (Score:3, Insightful)

    by elrous0 ( 869638 ) * on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @03:15PM (#27507731)

    Data: In case of a water landing, I am designed to be used as a flotation device.

    ...And that's when I walked out of the theater, never to watch another new Trek movie again.

  • Re:Wait...what? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Random BedHead Ed ( 602081 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @03:36PM (#27508057) Homepage Journal
    Even the giant robots smacking each other more, or in unexpected ways, wouldn't help it. The problem is that they weren't all that well-rendered when they got moving. When they really got fighting and transforming they became big CGI blurs. Supposedly photorealistic, but I think they fell short. Morgan Fox really was the best part of the movie.
  • Re:Nuclear wessels (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Nimey ( 114278 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @04:42PM (#27509241) Homepage Journal

    Too right. Walter Koenig will always be Bester to me now, because it was a wonderful character and he did a magnificent job at it.

  • Re:Wait...what? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by afabbro ( 33948 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @04:56PM (#27509475) Homepage

    Don't believe me? Look at the most popular 'sci-fi' movies in history (truly popular, not just cult classics) and think about whether or not they are really science-fiction the way you think about it. Pop-culture sci-fi uses the futuristic/technology aspects as plot devices to make a fantasy story work. What makes the new Star Trek movie interesting is that it seems to be both science-fiction as well as pop-culture science-fiction at the same time.

    I've always thought that Star Trek was science fiction, while Star Wars was space opera. Star Trek usually explored some science fiction concept in each episode. You might say the ideas were crap (they sometimes were), but each episode introduced a new idea, explored it, etc.

    On the other hand, you could take Star Wars and redo it as a Western without any loss of story. The space setting is merely a style. Same thing is pretty much true for Battlestar Galactica - the story is great, but it's not really science fiction in the sense of exploring new ideas. You could retell either BSG or Star Wars as Westerns or Fantasy or sword and sandals, etc.

    That's not to say that Star Wars or BSG are bad, just that they are space opera - stories with the trappings of space - not science fiction. On the other hand, there are plenty of movies that are not set in space that are science fiction.

  • Re:Wait...what? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by hardburn ( 141468 ) <hardburn@wumpus-ca[ ]net ['ve.' in gap]> on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @05:00PM (#27509517)

    There have never been that many hard SF movies made in any time period, and most of them are passed off as boring by whatever generation is growing up at the time. George Lucas didn't get famous for THX-1138, and Kubrick put audiences to sleep with 2001: A Space Odyssey.

    Further, there are no fewer kids reading now than there were 30 years ago. After public education took over, literacy rates went to all time historical highs, but it didn't last. Reading for fun was nearly killed off by TV, and the first TV generation grew up a long time ago.

    In short, people of every generation are dumb, and putting the blame just on the current one is silly.

  • by prisoner-of-enigma ( 535770 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @06:04PM (#27510487) Homepage

    Or how about:

    Sulu: (low voice) Phasers locked.
    Khan: Time's up, Admiral!
    Kirk: Here it comes. Now, Mr. Spock.

    That "here it comes" was just priceless. I know everyone makes fun of the obligatory "KHAN!" scream, but ST:II was full of excellent dialogue. Of course, having Ricardo Montalban did wonders for the movie every time he uttered a line. Probably the best ST villain ever. All the "take over the world" or "destroy the world" plots are pretty hollow, but revenge is indeed a dish best served...cold.

    What happened to all the good writers who gave us ST:II, ST:VI, and ST:FC? Were they fired for an excess of talent and replaced with worthless hacks from the Batman-and-Robin school of screenwriting?

  • Re:Wait...what? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by caitsith01 ( 606117 ) on Wednesday April 08, 2009 @08:00PM (#27511935) Journal

    On the other hand, you could take Star Wars and redo it as a Western without any loss of story.

    Yeah! Like that John Wayne movie where the Sheriff has a giant, slow moving device which can destroy entire towns, and only throwing a rock off a horse from close range at a particular point on the surface of the device can destroy it! And wagons can travel faster than light, but this capability sometimes breaks down, leading to exciting chase sequences before the wagon zips away to an unknown location! And cowboys can use mysterious powers to control physical objects and influence other people!

    Frankly, if Star Wars can be a Western I think anything can be a Western.

    What aspects of Star Trek are so unique that you cannot draw similar parallels?

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