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Amazon & TuneCore To Cut Out the RIAA Middleman 291

eldavojohn writes "So you're an aspiring band and you haven't signed with a record label. Maybe you've got a fan base interested in purchasing your stuff but you're not really into accounting? Enter Amazon's partnership with TuneCore, a CD printing and music distribution service. You want to sell a full album on Amazon of you brushing your teeth? $31. And you get about 40% back on sales, so selling nine digital copies of your CD will put you back in the black. There you have it, public availability on one of the largest online commerce sites for $31 — no RIAA involved!" TuneCore's CEO put it this way: "As an artist, you have unlimited physical inventory, made on demand, with no [sic] upfront costs and worldwide distribution to anyone who orders it at Amazon.com."
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Amazon & TuneCore To Cut Out the RIAA Middleman

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  • What's misspelled? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:08AM (#28052319)

    "As an artist, you have unlimited physical inventory, made on demand, with no [sic] upfront costs and worldwide distribution to anyone who orders it at Amazon.com."

    What's with the [sic]? 'no' isn't mispelled. upfront isn't misspelled.

    Lumping in a prepositional phrase with a noun, verb, and a noun is bad grammer, but I didn't think you used '[sic]' to indicate the bad grammer isn't yours....

  • Re:At $31 per album (Score:3, Informative)

    by AlmondMan ( 1163229 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:09AM (#28052323)
    How on earth do you figure it's 31$ pr album? It's 31$ to get listed. Read the article, how would you ever make it out to be 31$ pr. album when 9 sales is all that's required to get back in the black?
  • Re:At $31 per album (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:10AM (#28052337)

    No, no, no. You, the artist, pay them $31 to get started and have them take you on. Then they sell the albums at a "normal" price. RTFA... Although, I also blame /. for increasingly bad summaries these days.

  • Re:At $31 per album (Score:5, Informative)

    by styryx ( 952942 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:11AM (#28052385)
    FTA:

    Tunecore will charge just $31 a year in upfront fees to handle a 10-track CD from pressing to delivery, passing all other costs through to the buyer.

    And

    If one of Amazonâ(TM)s 80 million customers buys your 10-song CD on Amazon for $8.98, youâ(TM)ll receive $3.59

    However,

    one obvious drawback to this model is that you canâ(TM)t sell an on-demand CD at shows, where enthusiastic fans are most likely to pick one up.

    That being said, if anyone here wants to potentially earn some money. Create a mobile (or iphone) app that will allow you to buy the CD from amazon, as well as download the tracks (DRM free) to your mobile device there and then. Perhaps using the barcode apps. This would be the best of both (plus another) worlds.

  • by Lumpy ( 12016 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:14AM (#28052423) Homepage

    They are NOT pressed CD's. they are BURNED CD's.

    There is no way in hell that for $31.00 they will crank up a pressing process. I've seen those machines, they blow 100 disks just in testing runs.

    Granted I can get CD-R's that 90% out there cant tell is a burned CD. They have a beautiful Silver dye system out there that with a silver thermal printing surface looks like the real deal.

  • Re:At $31 per album (Score:5, Informative)

    by Locklin ( 1074657 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:14AM (#28052435) Homepage

    It's a $31 per year "hosting fee" for the artist.

    From the article:

    If one of Amazon's 80 million customers buys your 10-song CD on Amazon for $8.98, you'll receive $3.59. After selling just nine discs, you're in the black.

    emphasis mine.

  • by LordKronos ( 470910 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:17AM (#28052481)

    Yes, massive fail...ON YOUR PART. That $31 is upfront, not per disc. Try RTFA.

  • by flitty ( 981864 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:17AM (#28052483)
    Slow down turbo. $31/yr is the Service Cost for the Band. For $31/yr, tunecore/amazon will sell a Physical CD of your music for $8.99.
  • Re:CDBaby (Score:5, Informative)

    by Mendokusei ( 916318 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:17AM (#28052487)

    While iTunes would be slightly bigger, Amazon is a big leap for Tunecore and I'm happy to see it even on this level.

    According to their website, TuneCore already has a deal with the iTunes store, as well as most all of the other digital music services.

  • From TFA (Score:2, Informative)

    by storkus ( 179708 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:19AM (#28052505)

    The $31 is per YEAR, basically setting up an account like you would with some of those "work from home" outfits, but for a reasonable price. The TFA states that "all other costs are passed on to the buyer". What those costs work out to I don't know, but if you can sell a stamped CD at $10 and still make a buck or two minimum, then you're not doing bad.

    What I want to know is how a major stamping operation can retool so easily between different CD's that they can still do this economically?

  • Done years ago (Score:5, Informative)

    by east coast ( 590680 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:19AM (#28052515)
    Used to be called mp3.com.

    Aside from that indies have been around forever.

    I've always said that artists who cry about this have options but they're too lazy/too talentless to do it for themselves. Oh well.
  • Re:Too espensive (Score:2, Informative)

    by east coast ( 590680 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:22AM (#28052567)
    31 USD is the set up fee, not the cost of the album.
  • by oloron ( 1092167 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:23AM (#28052585)
    If you RTFA you see that the 31 dollars is per-year handling of your disc, you set the prices for your prints and get commision based on that... sheesh guys wake up
  • by paulsnx2 ( 453081 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:23AM (#28052595)

    Factual errors are not noted with a [sic], generally speaking.

  • by tepples ( 727027 ) <tepplesNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:30AM (#28052685) Homepage Journal

    I for one wait to see the lawsuit the RIAA is drawing up to bring down upon Amazon for squelching their draconian business practices by violating their 'copyright' on 'distribution of artistic works of an audio based nature'

    You're thinking of the National Music Publishers' Association [nmpa.org], which controls the rights to record cover versions and licenses them through its Harry Fox Agency. Your "RIAA" guess was close because a lot of labels in the RIAA are under the same management as publishers in the NMPA.

  • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:37AM (#28052813) Journal
    From the FAQ [tunecore.com]

    "What format must my music be in, in order to upload to TuneCore?

    We have found .wav files to be the most reliable and therefore recommend them first and foremost. Remember that they must be set at a 44.1 khz sample rate, 16 bit sample size and the channel set to stereo. Not sure how to convert your music? - Check out our tutorial.

    What format must my artwork be in, in order to upload to TuneCore?

    Artwork can be in one of the following file formats: JPG, GIF or PNG. The image must be a perfect square and at least 1600x1600. All artwork must be in best-quality RGB Color mode (including black and white images) and must have a resolution of at least 72 dpi. You may not include: email addresses, URLs, any other contact information or any pricing information. You must include both the artist name and album title on the artwork and remove any stickers or other items from your artwork in case you are scanning it in from a physical CD."

    I'm certain that, because people aren't so bright, there'll be a lot of "CD containing audio derived from mp3s that came from ripping a burned CD that was produced from .aacs, that were compressed from the output of a ten dollar ADC connected to a microphone taken from a 'Barbie's Kiddie Karaoke' machine" stuff floating around; but it looks like the service itself supports perfectly sensible upload options.
  • by notarockstar1979 ( 1521239 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:42AM (#28052891) Journal
    Tunecore works with iTunes as well. Has for a while now.
  • Cover versions (Score:3, Informative)

    by tepples ( 727027 ) <tepplesNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:49AM (#28053031) Homepage Journal

    what basis does the RIAA have to sue, anyway? if an artist is unsigned, and not part of the industry, the RIAA does not 'represent' them

    Unpaid royalties for a cover version. The National Music Publishers' Association collects royalties for cover versions through its Harry Fox Agency, and a lot of publishers in the NMPA are under the same management as labels in the RIAA. Even if you set out not to record cover versions, you could be writing one and not even know it [slashdot.org]. Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music, 420 F. Supp. 177 (S.D.N.Y. 1976).

  • by EnglishTim ( 9662 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @09:52AM (#28053073)

    TuneCore don't do the disk printing; that's done via Amazon's Disk on Demand service, which is actually performed by CreateSpace.

    The service that TuneCore provides is that it handles submission of your album to a whole bunch of online music download stores, like Amazon, eMusic, iTunes, Napster etc. I think from skimming its faq it also handles receiving your payment all into one account.

    Therefore, as they say, all of the money Amazon pay goes into your account.

    They've been doing this for a little while, but now with the link with Amazon Disk on Demand, albums submitted to TuneCore can for the first time be bought on physical CDs.

  • Comment removed (Score:3, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @10:50AM (#28053851)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Re:CDBaby (Score:3, Informative)

    by Yez70 ( 924200 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @11:55AM (#28054861)
    Tunecore only charges you 99 cents to add iTunes distribution for an album. It's only 99 cents per store actually and you can also put it into Rhapsody, Napster, eMusic, Amazon MP3 and a half dozen other digital distribution stores. The $31 charge is actually comprised of a $20 flat setup fee for the album per year, plus 99 cents per track (10 tracks avg) and 99 cents for the digital distribution store. Tunecore does not keep a dime of what you earn from the online stores, after you pay the initial fee, unlike CDBaby which takes a percentage of all digital sales on top of their setup fees. iTunes pays 70 cents per track sold to the artist who uses Tunecore to distribute their music.
  • Re:CDBaby (Score:4, Informative)

    by Peter Wells ( 1560269 ) on Friday May 22, 2009 @01:09PM (#28056007)
    We do. It's our bread-and-butter. We've been delivering music to iTunes--half a million songs already--for three years now. :) --Peter peter@tunecore.com

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