Polaroid Lovers Try To Revive Its Instant Film 443
Maximum Prophet nods a NY Times piece on a Dutch group living the retro dream: they are trying to bring back Polaroid film. This group has the machinery to make the film packs, but needs to recreate the chemicals. Polaroid Inc. stopping making the specialized chemicals years ago, after having stockpiled what they would need for their last production runs. "They want to recast an outdated production process in an abandoned Polaroid factory for an age that has fallen for digital pictures because they think people still have room in their hearts for retro photography that eschews airbrushing or Photoshop. 'This project is about building a very interesting business to last for at least another decade,' said Florian Kaps, the Austrian entrepreneur behind the effort [in Enschede, The Netherlands]. 'It is about the importance of analog aspects in a more and more digital world. ... If everyone runs in one direction [i.e. digital photography], it creates a niche market in the other.'"
They're called digital cameras (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:3, Insightful)
Not to mention that the quality of a Polaroid was awful at best and if you did get a great shot it's not like it was trivial to make copies of it or enlarge it. A scanner would certainly make it possible to make copies now, but that kind of defeats choosing it over a digital camera, and the enlarging of the image still applies due to the image quality.
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Stopping making? (Score:2, Insightful)
Polaroid appeal (Score:5, Insightful)
I always viewed Polaroid cameras as being, to be elegant and frank, ghetto.
But, they do have a unique visual aesthetic, it's not just the bold white border and the thick bottom border that gives it away. Nor the glassy sheen over the picture itself. There is something about a Polaroid shot, that makes the picture undoubtedly Polaroid nearly every time. It looks like a ghetto shot, but in this day and age with free artists and artistic expression on a free internet, maybe some of the guys at Deviant Art can do some very very nice retro art using Polaroid shots.
I'm certain of it. Just as certain as "indie" films with their similar low-budget feel gives off a certain appeal to their films. Like Tarantino(sp?) films feel low-budget until Bruce Willis appears before the camera (like he isn't getting paid right?).
My only suggestion to this business endeavor... give the artists a larger sample. Original Polaroid shots were stamp size squares, almost every one of them have some part of the primary subject being clipped by the boundaries. A wide aspect ratio shot, on Polaroid, I think would be very awesome.
Hell, I might even be interested, even though I'm not an artist. Also, maybe an electronic means to get that Polaroid shot, into digital form from the camera itself would be sexy. Afterall, no matter the intentions of the visual artist, it's destined to be digitized eventually. (Rembrandt probably never imagined his work would be digitized yet it has been.)
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:5, Insightful)
There's no need for horse-drawn carriages either, given that cars are a quicker and more energy efficient means of conveyance, but there are always a few hapless romantics who like to see the world as it once was.
As long as there's a demand for something, no matter how silly it might seem, someone will supply it.
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:3, Insightful)
So what you're saying is that we need built-in printer (whatever the printer type) as the next feature of digital cameras?
That would be interesting, even if it's a niche market.
ObSteveMartin (Score:5, Insightful)
but there are always a few hapless romantics who like to see the world as it once was.
An arctic region covered with ice.
Re:No, probably not (Score:5, Insightful)
Very low but long-term need for old films (Score:2, Insightful)
Just as there is a small art market for modern photography using long-obsolete film processes [wikipedia.org] such as tintype, there will be a small art market for various Polaroid films.
The patents on most instant films expired long ago.
Polaroid should publish the trade secrets it is no longer using and leave it up to hobbyists and entrepreneurs to either make the chemicals themselves or contract with a chemical factory to make them. They should also release Kodak from its consent decree on the off-chance that Kodak or a future successor-of-interest may want to play in that arena.
Other makers of obsolete film stocks should do the same.
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Re:No, probably not (Score:5, Insightful)
But you see, the point is that someone still DOES make horse buggies. People still go to Central Park to ride the buggies, and SOMEONE has to create them.
That's the great thing about a niche market - if you're the only one in a certain business, be it horse buggies or resurrecting Polaroid film, you might very well be able to get enough customers who are interested in your product to stay in business.
If they think that enough people still find the old-school Polaroid film appealing, then they'd be stupid NOT to take their money, since no one else wants to.
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:4, Insightful)
There's no need for horse-drawn carriages either, given that cars are a quicker and more energy efficient means of conveyance
How is hauling >1,000 pounds of steel with an engine that has a thermal efficiency rating of <50% more energy efficient than a lightweight carriage drawn by an animal?
Pictures with Santa (Score:1, Insightful)
I think there is still a need for this. Last year we took the kids to a department store in my hometown that has had a Santa Land since I was a kid. They've always offered pictures with Santa for a few bucks... not the $20-$30 and up that they charge at the big malls, but $5 or less. They always used a Polaroid, but just recently switched to digital.
The only problem is that now the system is so complex that it slows down the entire visit with Santa, that is if 'Mrs. Santa' can even get a picture to print. When we were there, she couldn't, and finally told us to take our own pictures (which was allowed if you bought one, but she gave us our money back since she couldn't print one).
Now, for something like this, even us techno geeks have to admit that a cheap Polaroid with expensive cartridges is a better solution than a digital camera, computer, and printer. Santa at the mall has the digital camera, computer, and printer, but there are also about 4 staff working to support the system, and they even use pagers so you can arrange the time of your visit. And of course those pictures start at about $20.
So I think there is definitely a market for this, in some situations you want an instant picture and don't want to invest the time and money to mess around with a PC, printer, etc.
Re:No, probably not (Score:5, Insightful)
we're talking about a new technology that's made the old technology completely obsolete.
In other words:
"I personally find this technology to be STOOPID! The huge hordes of people that still want it are equally STOOPID and we should ignore any opportunities to fulfill a demand because the demand is STOOPID and I disgree with it!"
Is that about right?
(hint: if I could get a Polaroid and the film for it at target, I would)
(bonus: I shoot digital all day long [like it's my job{oh wait, it IS my job!}])
Re:No, probably not (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:5, Insightful)
Pay for the stables and the feed for a couple of horses and then talk about "efficiency"
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Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:3, Insightful)
There's no need for instant film anymore.
Okay, how did Captain Obvious here get modded as "insightful"?
There's no NEED for most of the things we buy. Things live on because people like and enjoy them, not because there's any need. Since the advent of modern firearms, there's no need for bows and arrows, and yet bow hunting remains a popular sport.
Although some hunt to support themselves, many hunt for sport. Although some people making a living as photographers, for many, photography is a hobby. Arguing that there's no need for Polaroids is like arguing there's no need for bows. It's absolutely true, and makes it clear just how clueless the person making the statement is, how badly they've missed the point.
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:2, Insightful)
How'd you remember your login/password here?
cookies.
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:3, Insightful)
Seems like that's the problem. A poor craftsman blames his tools. You can do great or mediocre things with any tools. If you can take a great shot with film, you can do the exact same thing with a good digital SLR to the extent of my experience. The only thing that film might add is more resolution, but that's only readily apparent if you blow pictures up past A0 or so size. And even then, 35mm film resolves to roughly 10-20 megapixels. All current SLR's are there or above.
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:3, Insightful)
Bah. While you CAN do that digitally (and lots of people do - just look at the various photography sites on the web), digital is the best learning system for picture quality yet. Near instant feedback. Automatic metadata capture (remember the little notebook we all used writing down exposures, f stops and all?). The ability to "get creative" without breaking the bank, realizing that most of the time you won't get what you're looking for.
Since going digital about 5 years ago, I'm a much better photographer than my old slide days.
And my fingers don't smell funny all of the time.
Shot discipline is just one thing you have to learn with digital cameras. Now that I have a couple hundred thousand exposures under my belt, I don't shoot nearly as much as I used to - I know what works and what doesn't. But I never would have gotten there with film. It was just too slow and expensive.
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:4, Insightful)
Not to mention that the quality of a Polaroid was awful at best and if you did get a great shot it's not like it was trivial to make copies of it or enlarge it.
You say that like it's a bad thing. *Sigh*
Re:Duh? (Score:5, Insightful)
"If everyone runs in one direction [i.e. digital photography], it creates a niche market in the other."
Uh, no, not if EVERYONE runs in one direction.
You're being wilfully pedantic. Large corporations whose business models revolve around the mass market will often stop supporting a field when "everyone" (read; the vast majority of people) leaves it. While they may not be interested in serving the small number of remaining users, smaller businesses more focused on niches may be perfectly capable of making decent money from them.
Either way, it's pretty much a retarded business decision. [snip]
Your opinion of why Polaroid sucks might or might not be true, but has no bearing on whether or not it's a "retarded business decision". If it's clear that they can get enough nostalgics (stupid or otherwise) to buy it that they'll make a nice profit, then it's not a "retarded business decision".
That is business.
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:4, Insightful)
I can understand for a specific artistic effect, but Polaroids were notoriously unreliable, they degraded quickly, and the colours were never 100% correct. The reason why the standard died, as was mentioned by the GGGP was for the instant "view and reshoot if needed".
I doubt many artists would even use polaroids due to the rapid degradation of the photo when exposed to light for great periods of time. Not having any negatives also ensures that the photo cannot be reprinted if it does deteriorate.
For law enforcement, that would be just stupid. Monumentally stupid. The quality and the life of the photo ensure that the evidence is not permissible in a court. If it was 35mm film, I'd understand, but not Polaroids.
Re:They're called digital cameras (Score:3, Insightful)