AMC Releasing a New "The Prisoner" In November 174
DynaSoar writes "The Prisoner is one of the most influential and enduring TV shows to have appeared during the 1960s. This single-season (1967-68), 17-episode series, starring its co-writing, co-directing executive producer Patrick McGoohan, maintains a steady fan base and gains more with each syndication re-release. For over 40 years there have been announced intentions and projects to resurrect this surreal psychodrama combining science fiction, allegory, and spy thriller in a new series or movie (but always without McGoohan, who adamantly refused, saying 'he'd done it'). Finally, since December 2008 a remake has been in the can. In November 2009, AMC will begin airing an original six-part mini-series of The Prisoner starring James Caviezal as the spy who resigns only to find himself abducted and transported to 'The Village,' where he is renamed (or rather renumbered) Number Six, and where the minds behind his incarceration attempt to pry and/or trick secrets from his brain. Chief among those minds is the visible face of the administration, Number Two, played by Ian McKellen. Unlike the original, with a new Number Two in each episode, McKellen appears throughout. To promote the upcoming release, AMC is presenting (along with a ton of 'additional material') the entire original 17 episodes, free for the streaming."
Apple 2 video game (Score:5, Interesting)
I remember the old Prisoner 2 video game for the Apple II. They gave you a secret number and all you had to do was not give it to them when they asked. Sounds easy. Just don't type the number.
Well, they got me! Applesoft programs would sometimes crash into prompt with an error and line. One would almost instinctually list out the line to see what the error was. So when the video game seemed to crash I listed out the line..... You lose!
I have never enjoyed losing a game so much.
If the link worked... (Score:4, Interesting)
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Does not update a x64 based linux OS nor can I find one on download sites.
Suggestions?
Alternative running order (Score:5, Interesting)
Arrival
Dance of the Dead
Checkmate
Free for All
The Chimes of Big Ben
Many Happy Returns
The Schizoid Man
The General
A, B and C
It's Your Funeral
Living in Harmony
Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling
A Change of Mind
Hammer Into Anvil (my favorite ep)
The Girl Who Was Death
Once Upon a Time
Fall Out
In this order, the series consists of three cycles. Cycle one (ending with Many Happy Returns) focuses on #6 trying to escape. Cycle two (ending with Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling) focuses on 'intrigue in The Village' as #6 adjusts to his captivity. The final cycle consists of #6 taking charge and subverting The Village from within. Continuity is also improved in this sequencing.
And yes, #6 does have a name: Carl (his fiancee would know his name, after all).
Re:Apple 2 video game (Score:1, Interesting)
The CIA used video game simulations like these to train people to not divulge confidential information. The computer would "crash", ask for login credentials, and tell you you lost if you tried to log in.
Jesus as the Prisoner? (Score:3, Interesting)
Wow, Jesus (James Caviezal) is is not a number but a free man. FYI, Caviezal was struck by lightning during the filming of Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ". Kind of like getting eaten by that big bouncing ball...
I wish them the best, it isn't an easy chore... (Score:3, Interesting)
About 8 years ago, I came up with, but never penned (maybe to the benefit of all), the idea of taking the concept of The Prisoner, and the concept of reality TV and bringing them together.
The psychological aspects alone would have been awesome, get a bunch of unsuspecting "reality show" contestants together, seperate them into groups based on political beliefs, make them increasingly paranoid with each episode, force them in some way to work with/against each other, make them believe they were in fact prisoners in some kind of foreign or even an American prison camp, and totally play on that situation.
Like I said, it may be a good thing I never did that. It could have made me millions, or could for someone daring enough to do that (in which case, send me money via paypal), it could have majorly screwed things up, but it was a concept worth thinking about at least.
I think the butler did it (Score:3, Interesting)
Something small and quiet just died...
My first reaction was oh good maybe i'll understand it this time. Then I thought well if I did maybe some of the magic would be gone too. Sort of like how the mysteroulsy tantilizing aspect of the X-files slowly drained out and only sculley kept me watching and eventually that was not enough.
I recall seeing the prisoner on as a kid. Back then it was common for syndicated shows to be shown out of order since it was expected there was no story arc. for example, it did not matter what happened last week in Hawaii 5-0.
So it was a mystery what the hell was going on more than it even was supposed to be.
Later when it came to DVD I watched it end to end. And I still don't really understand it. especially the last three episodes. It was oddly a product of it's era but also way way way ahead of it's time for TV. A surreal secret agent show.
I always liked how #2 changed but no one said anything. The one constant seemed to be the butler.
Okay I'll bite (Score:3, Interesting)
What is AMC? I am guessing it's a US TV channel but I've never heard of it. A simple "US TV channel AMC" the first time it's mentioned in TFS would have helped!
Re:Alternative running order (Score:3, Interesting)
Where do you get that his "real" name is Carl? If The Prisoner (#6) has a "real" name, it's John Drake, (ie, Secret Agent, aka Danger Man, from which Patrick McGoohan first starred.) In fact, the photo used of #6 in The Village is a stock photo of "John Drake" from Secret Agent. However, I have never heard of #6 being referred to as "Carl", even by his fiance. I just re-watched "Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling" (the episode with Janet, #6's fiance) and she never once utters "Carl."
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Please, if you can, point to your reference where #6's name is Carl.
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Also, if you wish to speak of running order, you should check out the Wiki of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Prisoner_episodes [wikipedia.org] There are 5 different running orders listed, all of which seem to have their own validity.
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In the end, Patrick McGoohan (RIP) should have the last say in all of this... and over the years he never once admitted that #6 was John Drake, (or any other "real" name). Plus, he always said that the running order should have been much shorter than it was: only 7 episodes:
Arrival
Dance of the Dead
Free For All
Checkmate
Chimes of Big Ben
Once Upon a Time
Fallout
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The reason the series lasted 17 was due to network requests, not Patrick's. Although British TV series have always been "odd" in the number of episodes making a whole "season," they didn't want to do just 7 episodes, but Patrick didn't want to do 24... so, there are 17.
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As for the running order debates... frankly I don't care where AB&C, and The General belong in the greater running order, but they certainly belong in That order, (and back to back). Colin Gordon is one of the few actors who plays #2 twice, and in the opening sequence of the episode of The General he says "I AM Number 2" NOT "I am the New Number 2." Thus bridging his appearance from AB&C into The General. If we are to take The General as coming before AB&C, then it's rather out of place to then hear him say he is the New #2 at the start of AB&C.
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Another running order debate is with placing Checkmate before Free For All. Frankly, Free For All MUST come before Checkmate. In Free For All, as he is campaigning for #2's "office" he announces that he intends to find out who are the prisoners and who are the warders. Then, in Checkmate he formulates a theory on which to test this separation. It would seem illogical to reverse these two in the running order.
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And... no matter where you place Dance of the Dead, it must be within the first 2 or 3 episodes as one of #6's opening lines in that episode is "I"m new here!" If this episode starts creeping into a running order later that the 3rd episode, that line becomes less logical.
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As for the second-half (or last third) of the running order... there really aren't as many line specific instances, or continuity points to really say one way or the other. Maybe because these later episodes were merely filler... until we get to the conclusion with Once Upon A Time and Fallout, which (frankly) should be watched as one episode.
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If it were me, this would be the definitive running order: (A slightly modified Six of 1 Appreciation Society running order):
Arrival
Dance of the Dead
Free For All
Checkmate
Chimes of Big Ben
AB&C
The General
The Schizoid Man
Many Happy Returns
It's Your Funeral
Change of Mind
Hammer Into Anvil
Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling
Living In Harmony
The Girl Who Was Death
Once Upon A Time
Fallout
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Still.... I'd really like to know where "Carl" came from. In my 16 years of fandom with this show, I've Never heard "Carl" being used as #6's real name... in any circles of fans or critics.
Re:Soo.... (Score:4, Interesting)
>>>it'll be a miracle if it's anywhere near as good as the original series.
That's what people said in 1987, 1988, and 1989 about Star Trek TNG, but it did eventually prove itself to be just as good as the original (and often times better like season 4). TNG eventually scored 12% of the American audience, equal to how many had watched the original in the 60s.
As for "The Prisoner" after years of hype by fans I finally watched it last year, and I was unimpressed. Yes it is an intelligently-written series, but there were a lot of moments where I wanted to reach for the fast-forward button because many of the middle episodes were excruciatingly dull.
Okay you can now mod -1 for me, since you disagree. ;-)
Re:Anyone bet that they don't totally ruin it? (Score:4, Interesting)
One of the biggest "aha!" moments actually occurred at the end of the final episode. When No. 6 returns to his apartment in London (after a wild ride altogether), the door opens automatically... JUST like in the Village. How's that for a mind-blowing twist?
Thirty Six Hours vs The Prisoner (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:What's the point ? (Score:3, Interesting)
I guarantee you that the new series will generate interest in the old series.
My kids would have never watched the old Star Trek series had they never been exposed to the "Enterprise" series.
Similarly, they gained an appreciation for The Who because they watched the Limp Bizkit version of "Behind Blue Eyes" on YouTube and then followed some Who links.
Remakes can have a positive impact on culture, even when the remakes are poor imitations of the originals... although I DO like Limp Bizkit's "Behind Blue Eyes"...