Filming For The Hobbit Begins In July 298
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krou writes "Sir Ian McKellen has revealed that filming for The Hobbit and its sequel is scheduled to begin in July, and will take approximately a year to complete. Casting is now 'taking place in LA, London and New York,' and [director Guillermo] Del Toro is already 'living in Wellington, close to the Jacksons and the studio in Miramar.' Apparently the script is still being worked on, and 'the first draft is crammed with old and new friends, again on a quest in Middle-earth.' The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an original story not written by Tolkien, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and The Lord of the Rings."
ugh, sequel (Score:1, Insightful)
Sequel (Score:5, Insightful)
"The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an *original story not written by Tolkien*, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings."
Thanks but no thanks.
Oh yippy skippy (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh joy, another visually stunning film with a disjointed script, mixing Tolkien's brilliant timeless dialog with flat modern drivel penned by Fran Walsh. And the sequel... that's just going to be visually stunning with drivel for plot and dialog.
It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't screw up the plot and dialog so badly. Ugh.
Sequel will add valuable new characters (Score:4, Insightful)
They can't just leave it alone (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't think I'll see either of them out of principle.
Re:Sequel (Score:1, Insightful)
Ooh, looks like I pissed off a Peter Jackson fanboy with mod points!
Re:Oh yippy skippy (Score:5, Insightful)
Three words, Guillermo [wikipedia.org] del [wikipedia.org] Toro [wikipedia.org]
I'll go ahead and be first (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm in favor of the sequel. In all due reverence to Tolkien, there are other authors on this planet who have done well with fantasy works. In fact every single work of modern fantasy is derivative from Tolkien's works, and if you've ever enjoyed any of them, there's a distinct risk you'll enjoy this, too.
What's more, since you haven't read this particular book, you're probably less likely to be underwhelmed by it. You can't compare the dialog to a book which doesn't exist.
Finally, I think it absolutely vital for fantasy, and all fiction everywhere, to move beyond reverence for certain works. Somehow humanity managed to move beyond Shakespeare, creating new-ish works which we prefer to his, and I believe we can move beyond Tolkien. I also feel that making a new work in that same setting can be a catalyst for that evolution.
I'm also a strong proponent of 'Lucas' Law' wherein we can democratically remove an author's control over a project if they cease to contribute to society. Introduce one too many Jar-Jar-Binks-types and the people put a referendum on the ballot to put your work into the public domain...
Tolkien's work should be eligible for this transition as well, because nothing new is coming out of it. Or nothing was, until this sequel.
Re:ugh, sequel (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, I read *The Hobbit* to my son when he was in 2nd grade. After I read the last word on the last page, the instant I set the book down he said, "Can we read *The Hobbit 2* next?"
Poor kid. That's just how I feel.
*The Hobbit* is greatly underestimated by even Tolkien fans, who pooh-pooh it because it's not LotR. The tone of the story is a bit condescending at first, something that Tolkien himself expressed dissatisfaction with in later years, but as in LotR there's a lot going on under the surface of *The Hobbit*. It's a story well worth serious study. Achieving that in story so readable and enjoyable on a superficial level is a tremendous achievement.
Brilliant timeless dialogue? (Score:3, Insightful)
Tolkien wrote dialogue? I thought his books were fantasy travelogues: descriptions of places, leaving places, walking through places, and arriving at other places. I don't remember much in the way of dialogue. I just remember lots of walking. Oh, and maybe a few spiders and a dragon or something.
You see, in order to have 'brilliant timeless dialogue' your characters have to have interesting motivations. The Hobbit was a classic adventure story, which quite simply does not lend itself to interesting motivations or dialogue. The only relevant motivation in an adventure story is "We've got to achieve The Thing!" and the dialogue boils down to"Have we achieved The Thing? No? How do we achieve The Thing? Ah, we need to (go somewhere/get something/kill someone/help someone/destroy something). Let's do that now!" repeated until the answer to the first question is "Yes! We have achieved The Thing!"
The Hobbit, and Tolkien's other works are nice stories, and amazing for their time, but don't try to make them into something they aren't. "Visually stunning" was exactly what Tolkien was going for, otherwise the books wouldn't read like a travelogue.
Re:I'll go ahead and be first (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it absolutely vital for fantasy, and all fiction everywhere, to move beyond reverence for certain works.
Somehow humanity managed to move beyond Shakespeare, creating new-ish works which we prefer to his, and I believe we can move beyond Tolkien
Yeah, there's a difference between making a modern adaptation of Shakespeare, or even a whole other thing INSPIRED by Shakespeare, and writing "Hamlet 2: The Revenge of the Prince!"
Re:Oh yippy skippy (Score:1, Insightful)
Get over it, already.
Tolkien was not a writer, he was a linguist and English professor, and it shows. His world building, mythology, and language development is awe-inspiring. His writing, dialogue, plot development and pacing is atrocious.
Plus, much of the "flat modern drivel" you are complaining about, was merely a rearrangement of the originial text, or reassignment of dialogue between characters.
Again, get over it.
The films are superb. The books are a trial to read.
(And I say that as a 35 year old fantasy and SF fan who has read widely and deeply. If you want some good fantasy writing, just pick up some Le Guin, or Octavia Butler, or Delaney, or Wolfe, or any other number of fantastic authors.)
Re:Sequel? No, give us Silmarillion (Score:4, Insightful)
In theory, you're 100% correct. There's tons of material in The Silmarillion and the other early writings that are ideal for translation into screenplays... but there's two problems: 1) Licensing; the producers would have to pay even more money to Tolkein's estate; and 2) you can't fail by overestimating the American appetite for banality, but plenty of people have failed by overestimating their appetite for intelligence and depth.
You and I, as JRRT fans, would love to see a big screen representation of The Fall of Numenor or The Tale of Beren and Luthien. These tales are the right length and the right level of complexity to permit a screenwriter plenty of artistic license and still remain faithful to Tolkein's originals. But to a studio exec, those names aren't familiar. They're only familiar to a nerds and geeks, and a minority of them at that, and they're notoriously hard to please and, even worse, known pirates and downloaders.
Nope. The Hobbit has name recognition. Kids in the 70's and 80's were given that book to read in 9th grade Lit classes. Now those kids have money and their own kids. They're going to milk that name for all it's worth.
I'll give del Toro the benefit of the doubt. He earned that with Pan's Labyrinth. But as soon as he shows signs of kowtowing to the studio execs and marketing pressures, I'm out. It will happen, the question is how many movies will it take?
Re:The audition (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:ugh, sequel (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Sequel (Score:4, Insightful)
No, young Aragorn's adventure will most likely become a TV series *cough*
Re:Sequel (Score:3, Insightful)
Comic: "I just flew in from LA, and boy are my arms tired. heh heh hah hah."
Wisnoskij: "Based on the morphological and kinematic data you would need significantly more lift than your arms could provide in order to fly."
Re:The audition (Score:3, Insightful)
Are you kidding?! A giant, primal, jovial "skin-changer" is on-screen gold. Plus the giant bees, plus dogs/ponies/horses performing human domestic tasks. Plus his integral role in the climax of the Battle of Five Armies. Bombadil (and the Barrow-wights encounter) was easier to drop because he really was unessential the primary story of the Lord of the Rings, although he did add great depth and mystery to the world.
I also believe that Beorn and Radagast will make great side/supporting characters for the sequel (what Hollywood fantasy movie doesn't want more wizards/magic?).
Re:ugh, sequel (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Oh yippy skippy (Score:4, Insightful)
Otherwise Tolkien could have made an entire LoTR wiki all on his own - described the entire world(s), languages, the races, histories (from different perspectives), the religions, characters, items, etc. And maybe add some stories...
And some of us will end up reading that wiki for hours...
Then again, by now some large corp would have copyright to it and we'd have to pay a monthly subscription to have read access to it...
Re:ugh, sequel (Score:3, Insightful)
Too Old & Wise To Be A Nerd (Score:3, Insightful)
I've read Lord Of The Rings a total of five times during my life (with a 6th read planned for soon), I've listen to the BBC audio adaptation several times and I played D&D and Advanced D&D for many years.
I saw the LOTR movies once at the cinema & own the Special Edition movies which I've watched a few times - I'll even confess to shedding a quick tear when Boromir died (despite knowing it would happen) in Fellowship, when the Ents started moving in Towers, and when Bilbo and Sam were up on Mount Doom in Return.
I don't care that the films were not completely accurate to the books, they were a great adaptation that I thoroughly enjoyed & that were hopefully easy enough on the general populace to hopefully have made them realise that fantasy tales don't all start & end with Harry Potter.
Therefore I've decided that at 48 years of age, it's possible to care deeply about something you enjoy but that it's time to stop being too nerdy about stuff - after all, it's *JUST* entertainment, enjoy it & feel a bit happier about things in general, or don't enjoy it & go find something you do enjoy.
As a Star Trek fan, I was appalled 10 years ago when they started talking about a prequel movie or series to the original series, but I actually quite enjoyed Enterprise (as good as DS9 and better than Voyager) and thoroughly enjoyed the complete reboot of the franchise in the latest movie... bugger timelines, bugger proper adaptations, all that matters is whether or not I enjoyed it.
Sorry, kiddies, but when you get to my age a whole lot of stuff that used to seem really important now just gets in the way of you enjoying stuff that little bit more - so don't worry, you'll grow out of it...
Re:ugh, sequel (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I'll go ahead and be first (Score:3, Insightful)
1) Scroll up. Look at the passion with which people are opposing the introduction of a sequel.
2) Pause for a moment to realize you're in a minority here.