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Moog's MF-401 Auto De-tune Fixes Music 79

Posted by CmdrTaco
from the good-bye-fm-radio dept.
Max Romantschuk writes "Moog Music has released the MF-401 Auto De-tune, a revolutionary new DSP device that promises to undo the clinical results of Auto-Tune. According to Moog Music, 'even a T-Pain vocal can be restored to its complete original character, scrubbing the pitch correction and leaving the untreated vocal in all its wavering sharp or flat glory.'"
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Moog's MF-401 Auto De-tune Fixes Music

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  • by drcosquared (1720540) on Thursday April 01, 2010 @12:16PM (#31700950)
    Lady Gaga as a drunken sailor...endless possibilities
    • what do you do with a drunken sailor,
      what do you do with a drunken sailor,
      what do you do with a drunken sailor, early in the morning...

      shave his belly with a rusty razor,
      shave his belly with a rusty razor,
      shave his belly with a rusty razor, early in the morning... ...

    • by Critical Facilities (850111) on Thursday April 01, 2010 @12:36PM (#31701116) Homepage
      I know there are lots of people here who hate Howard Stern, but did anyone else hear Richard and Sal prank calling the pizza parlor with Autotune [youtube.com] on their voice? Completely ridiculous.
    • by Farmer Tim (530755) <(roundfile) (at) (mindless.com)> on Thursday April 01, 2010 @12:38PM (#31701132) Journal

      Lady Gaga as a drunken sailor

      That would be Amy Winehouse.

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by MachDelta (704883)

        My kingdom for a mod point.

        And a towel to wipe up the water I just spit out laughing.

    • Damn, you beat me to it!
  • damnit (Score:3, Interesting)

    by blackraven14250 (902843) on Thursday April 01, 2010 @12:17PM (#31700954)

    This would be awesome and perfect - if it weren't April 1st.

    *sigh*.....you can only dream.

    • This being Slashdot, let me ask: is this even possible?

      • I doubt you could ever recover the original vocal in full fidelity, but it wouldn't surprise me if you could "deprocess" the vocal performance to some degree. It's not actually that hard to recognize autotuning even with the unaided ear, so I'm sure you could do processing on the vocal and essentially recover a reasonable approximation of the original performance.

        • by Bakkster (1529253)

          The page implies that it's not a reversal, like an expander to reverse the effects of a compressor. Rather, it's a de-tuner. In other words, it's totally possible to do. Just feed a couple of low-frequency oscillators to the target pitch of an auto-tuner. Bump it a few cents flat/sharp, let it drift another few cents every 5 seconds or so, and then warble a tiny bit at about 1Hz. Tada, auto de-tuned.

          However, assuming the artist in question uses subtle auto-tune which results in the recording being sli

      • If autotune is just a function applied to a waveform, then an inverse function should be possible. Probably a fucking difficult thing to do, though, since most autotune I hear makes pitch changes abrupt (ie, the function is not continuous; a piecewise function. That sure makes a mess of things)

        //IANA mathematician or acoustician etc

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by spazdor (902907)

        Depending on the sophistication of the autotuning algorithm, sure it is.

        If the vocal is being corrected using naive pitch-shifting or phase synthesis or something like that(i think gsnap and Antares Autotune both fall in this category), then the vocal formants [wikipedia.org] will be shifted up and down right along with it. Since formant frequency is usually constant (or close to), a signal processor could pick up on the modulation of the formant, and apply the reverse pitch-shifting in order to make the formant constant -

      • by digsbo (1292334)
        No. It's a lossy transform (you're replacing information), so there's no inverse function. It might be possible to detect artifacts of the original transform, and so it's possible you could apply an estimated inverse transform to simulate the original input signal, but it wouldn't be perfect restoration by a long shot.
    • by rnturn (11092)

      "you can only dream"

      My dream device would be one built into every radio that automatically changes the station to one playing a song that's not using Autotune. That way "artists" that are so bad that they have to resort to Autotune to sound passable would sell so few CDs/MPs that they'd find other ways to spend their time instead of making awful music.

  • Cool (Score:2, Interesting)

    by rapturizer (733607)
    Now I can hear the artist in their original glory. Sort of like colorization for music. This will revolutionize music!
  • I'd buy one.

    • by GungaDan (195739)

      Fuck just buying one, I'd mandate it like insurance. Along with banishment to Elba for anyone caught using auto-tune ever again. Horrid, horrid noise.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by tnk1 (899206)

        You know as well as I do that Elba wouldn't work. Unless you want an extra Hundred Days of processed music, send them straight to St. Helena.

  • The music industry is saved!
    • But studies show that teens, college kids, and young adults *like* the "sizzle" found in compressed ipods and autotuned music. The industry is just giving them what they want. Right?

      Correct?

      Hello?

      Okay maybe not. Fine. I'll toe the official line. Modern pop music sucks and has sucked since the 90s (or 80s) (or 70s) (depending on your age).

      • The eighties did not have autotune. The eighties had pop singers who could actually sing. You notice when people attempt to do karaoke versions of "Take on me" or "Still haven't found what I'm looking for" at the original pitch...

        • by Lumpy (12016)

          Um the 80's gave us Plenty that could not sing. Motley crew, RATT, Poison, Guns and dork, Cars, Sting.... ok he was 70's.... Falco.....

          • There's a difference between technical skill (which for instance Sting definitively has) and pleasant artistic impression, which is more arguable... To put it like that, it takes effort and training to sing poorly like Sting.

        • The eighties did not have autotune.

          Wrong [mixonline.com].

      • I've heard the arguments for and against autotuning. On the one side are those that feel that it makes a performance illegitimate. On the other side are producers and engineers who say that it greatly speeds up the recording process because rather than doing numerous takes to get the perfect one, or literally stitching together parts of various good takes to produce a perfect one, they can take a decent take, clean it up and move on. As well, it's been pointed out that since multitrack recording became t

        • How about LEARNING HOW TO SING!!!! Pitch correction sucks! It has got so bad now that I saw a Youtube comment saying "This guy is out of tune on every note./ about a live performance. The response was "Haven't you ever seen a live show?" As if to say no one can actually sing in tune.

          The younger generations ears have been trained to prefer the dissonance of pop singers. You can form fit a turd to a baking pan, but it will never be a chocolate pie.
      • by Lumpy (12016)

        sizzle? that's bit error.

        The twinkle on the cymbals is NOT supposed to be there... but then most people under the age of 35 have never heard a set of speakers that cost more than $2500.00 on an amp that costs more than $5000.00 (not tuner, not receiver, plain old amp WITHOUT volume knobs) or even a properly mastered CD that doesn't have the soul compressed completely out of it. I cry for the generations of people that don't know what music is supposed to sound like.

        Note: you dont haveto spend that kind

        • Preaching to the (AVSforum) choir bro!

          Most folks just don't value quality anymore. Bunch of posers with their shit Bose gear. And they wonder why audiophiles don't respect their gear.

          You wouldn't of happened to posted plans and pics of you and your mate building the speakers along the way by any chance?

          Cheers

          • by Lumpy (12016)

            No real plans online. But it's a set of folded horns for bass with 15 inch woofers based on a clipsch design that have foreward firing 8 inch midbass drivers. (corner loaded to finish the large horn mouth) and a set of 6 foot tall linear array speaker tower that set on a specific point on the folded horns to minimize driver separation with 32 aluminum cone drivers in each speaker for the high and mids. acoustically and physically separated from the larger driver array to eliminate low frequency coupling.

            T

    • The music industry is saved!

      Not until they also invent a De-Limiter to remove all the terrible over-compression. :D
      • by MarkvW (1037596)

        If you get rid of the compression effect, you will more than likely get a much uglier compression at the top end.

        A lot of times, compression is used to make headroom.

        • That's not what compression I'm referring to, though. I'm referring to the way that many producers simply put a -9 crunch limiter on the 2-mix, creating a brick of sound with little dynamic range - but hey, it's LOUDER now! Compressing for headroom is different from limiting for loudness.
  • by al0ha (1262684) on Thursday April 01, 2010 @12:27PM (#31701044) Journal
    Seeing that was worth clicking on the link. LOL!
  • by KDN (3283)
    It just doesn't sound right. Not that I would really know as I am seriously tone deaf.
  • Reminds me of this product [rane.com]:

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  • It also has an optional carrying case and jack for headphones so you never have to listen to an un-altered version of "Believe" by Cher ever again. I blame that song for all the trouble that Auto-Tune caused, but I can't stop listening to the unaltered version!
  • Quite off-topic, I know.. Why is it that the old guy from the videos is a spitting image of Bob Kelso [tvfanatic.com]?
  • by howlingfrog (211151) <ajmkenyon2002NO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Thursday April 01, 2010 @03:10PM (#31702184) Homepage Journal

    Some studio-manufactured AutoTune pop stars can actually sing, and some can't, and it's often surprising which is which. If you watched the Oscar telecast a few years ago, you know that Beyonce is a real musician. Christina Aguilera has talent (though chooses not to use it). Several of the High School Musical kids turned out to be decent singers or actors or both once they got out from under Disney's thumb. And on the other hand, despite the strong genetic component to musical talent, pre-AutoTune professional musician Billy Ray Cyrus's daughter can't sing at all without the help of her robotic overlord. As a film projectionist, I had to watch Last Song the other day. In one scene, Miley sings along with the radio AN ENTIRE FUCKING HALF-STEP SHARP! For non-musicians reading this, that's the interval between two adjacent piano keys. If you play two notes together that are separated by a half-step, it sounds awful. And anyone who's not completely tone-deaf can tell it sounds awful. It takes a modicum of musical training to identify the specific problem, but anyone can tell it's wrong. So remember, AutoTune is saving your ears from that crap every day. If it had never existed, there would be fewer no-talent hacks on the radio, but now that they're there, turning it off is a scary, scary idea.

    • by Rusty KB (1778458)
      Turn it off and those no-talent hacks would go away. You said it yourself, even without knowing what's the problem is a layman can hear something's wrong....
      • It isn't the singing people are buying. It's the sex. No one wants to go to a concert or buy a CD of someone who is ugly. So they get all the beautiful people who can't sing. But singing can be fixed.

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