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Calling Shenanigans On Super SATA's Claimed Audio Qualities 827

nk497 writes "Veteran Hi-Fi journalist Malcolm Steward has pushed newfangled Super SATA cables via his blog as a way to improve the sound quality of music, saying: 'My only guess is that the Super SATAs reject interference significantly better than the standard cables and in so doing lower the noise floor revealing greater low-level musical detail and presentational improvements in the soundstage and the "air" around instruments.' If that doesn't sound right to you, you're not alone. As PC Pro blogger Sasha Muller argues: 'How on earth can a SATA cable delivering 0s and 1s to their respective destination have any effect on those 0s and 1s? The answer is, it can't. Unless it's a magical one made of pixie shoes.' So maybe don't invest in Super SATA cables unless you have proof they're magical first."
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Calling Shenanigans On Super SATA's Claimed Audio Qualities

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  • by onionman ( 975962 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @03:52PM (#33306060)

    It seems like a pretty good buy to me. Those Monster cables have prevented any Monsters from infesting my home audio equipment. My anti-shark rock is working well in the living room, too.

  • by NiceGeek ( 126629 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @03:53PM (#33306066)

    If there is a more gullible group of people than audiophiles, I haven't met them.

  • by Monkeedude1212 ( 1560403 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @03:54PM (#33306080) Journal

    Steward Says Super SATA Sound Swindles Some Suckers

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 19, 2010 @03:54PM (#33306088)

    Wait until he installs the pure ivory motherboard standoffs!

  • by bgspence ( 155914 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @03:55PM (#33306104)

    Don't ignore the placebo effect in audio perception. Placebos have been proven to work, and it has also been shown that higher priced placebos are more effective.

  • You conjugation need work
  • by Cajun Hell ( 725246 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @03:56PM (#33306136) Homepage Journal

    How on earth can a SATA cable delivering 0s and 1s to their respective destination have any effect on those 0s and 1s?

    It could succeed or fail to deliver the 0s and 1s with their souls intact.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 19, 2010 @03:57PM (#33306144)

    A normal SATA can only carry 0s and 1s, but Super SATA carries 0.0000s and 1.0000s. Thats 4 digits of precision beyond the bits that normal SATA can represent.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 19, 2010 @03:59PM (#33306176)

    In this economy? Good luck.

  • by trentblase ( 717954 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:02PM (#33306236)
    Me: You're absolutely right. But don't buy those crappy $90 cables. I've got a special stash of $150 cables I can let you have for $200.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:04PM (#33306284)
    It's amazing the type of shit [mapleshadestore.com] that can be sold [mapleshadestore.com] to "audiophiles".

    Too bad they don't sell that "Isobase Cradle for Laptops" anymore. Thankfully, the manual is still available [mapleshadestore.com] for download. My favorite part from it:

    Whenever you want to play music or watch video with improved quality, place the laptop on the three rounded footers. You will see an immediate improvement in color saturation and pastel shading, shadow detail and edge resolution. On the audio side, whether youre listening with headphones, computer speakers, or a full high end stereo system, you will her deeper and much cleaner bass, warmer and more detailed midrange and extended, cleaner treble.

    IIRC, they were only charging a few hundred bucks for it!

  • by jejones ( 115979 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:06PM (#33306314) Journal

    The 0s are zeroier, and the 1s more one-ey!

  • by Grishnakh ( 216268 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:07PM (#33306338)

    Those Denon cables look great, but there's some severe problems with them, mainly because they're so good, the transmission rate exceeds lightspeed. Check out this review from Amazon.com:

    Transmission of music data at rates faster than the speed of light seemed convenient, until I realized I was hearing the music before I actually wanted to play it. Apparently Denon forgot how accustomed most of us are to unidirectional time and the general laws of physics. I tried to get used to this effect but hearing songs play before I even realized I was in the mood for them just really screwed up my preconceptions of choice and free will. I'm still having a major existential hangover.

    Would not purchase again.

    Even worse, you might experience much worse effects with these cables. This review is very ominous:

    This connection isn't sound. If my calculations are correct, it should be sometime around 2007 for whomever is reading this. DO NOT USE THESE CABLES. Something... happens with them. Something came through, something from somewhere else. We were overrun in days, not many of us are left. WE LIVE UNDERGROUND! ONLY YOU CAN STOP IT NOW. SAVE US. DO NOT USE THESE CABLES.

    I don't have much time. This connection isn't sound. If my calculations are correct, it should be--

  • by clone53421 ( 1310749 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:08PM (#33306352) Journal

    Wow. Just wow.

    Get the purest digital audio you've ever experienced from multi-channel DVD and CD playback through your Denon home theater receiver with the AK-DL1 dedicated cable. Made of high-purity copper wire, it's designed to thoroughly eliminate adverse effects from vibration (it stays plugged in!) and helps stabilize the digital transmission from occurrences of jitter and ripple (I just made that up!). A tin-bearing copper alloy (brass, idiots!) is used for the cable's shield while the insulation is made of a fluoropolymer material (for those awkward moments when you just dropped your cable into a puddle of battery acid) with superior heat resistance, weather resistance, and anti-aging properties. The connector features a rounded plug lever to prevent bending or breaking and direction marks to indicate correct direction for connecting cable (sound goes in direction of arrow).

  • by rubycodez ( 864176 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:09PM (#33306368)

    my Pink Elephant cables have turned out to be a mixed bag, they're only an effective repellent during the work week, when I'm sober.

  • by spun ( 1352 ) <loverevolutionary&yahoo,com> on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:16PM (#33306514) Journal

    I have some 700$ RCA cables you would love. A 1200$ toilet seat that I swear will make thinks "move" easier.

    Just swipe your credit card here....

    Dude, that's not a credit card reader. Stand up and pull your pants back up.

  • by Abstrackt ( 609015 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:17PM (#33306532)
    Until you use whale semen as thermal paste you're just wasting your money on ivory standoffs.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:21PM (#33306600)

    This is an article about a CD coating that improves audio quality of CDs (which are ones and zeros) As it turns out, the signal intensity of the ones and zeroes has an affect on the audio quality. I don't see how these SATA cables would be any different. They improve the signal intensity by reducing noise on the line, and thus increase the quality of the sound.

    http://www.audiophilia.com/hardware/yamamura.htm

    "I tried Q-151 on La Luna by the Canadian Guitar Trio [Skylark 9802 CD] because I am quite familiar with the disc and have been listening to it a lot while breaking in the Welborne Labs Apollo I amps. A quick A/B comparison was possible, and with my modest NAD 502 CD player in the dead of night when the house is totally quiet, I really did hear a difference. The music sounded more relaxed, detailed and subtle inflections were revealed. There was more spaciousness to the studio acoustic and lower frequencies became richer and more substantial. This is the sort of improvement people often would use to justify an upgrade of CD player or outboard processor. You have little risk in trying it for yourself. This one really works. "

  • by revlayle ( 964221 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:22PM (#33306624)
    Your bad SATA cable has degraded your English... HELP HIM! ANYONE!! HELP
  • by JSBiff ( 87824 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:24PM (#33306674) Journal

    Well, it's a darn good thing that you're the 93rd slashdotter to post the exact same comment. I might've missed it otherwise!

  • by networkBoy ( 774728 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:27PM (#33306730) Journal

    I have disabled Comments on this post so that respectable visitors do not have to read the remarks made by a small number of extremely ignorant, rude, malicious and disingenuous individuals who cannot tolerate people expressing opinions that do not concur with their own.

    Looks like someone commented about how asinine that the premise these cables could matter to sound quality.

  • by Annirak ( 181684 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:30PM (#33306774)

    He's improved it. Now he's taken his entire site offline. It now simply reads

    Error establishing a database connection

    Oh wait, that was us.

  • by acnicklas ( 1740146 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:31PM (#33306776)
    I'm a wine snob - I won't touch Mad Dog 20/20. Thunderbird all the way....
  • by Delarth799 ( 1839672 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:48PM (#33307074)
    I hope your response went something like: "I can take two piles of dog shit and slap a sticker for $30 on one and $90 on the other. Just because the other says it costs $90 doesn't make it a better pile of dog shit"
  • by Mister Whirly ( 964219 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @04:49PM (#33307100) Homepage
    I really want to see someone put "white" food coloring into red wine to make look like white wine.
  • by Khyber ( 864651 ) <techkitsune@gmail.com> on Thursday August 19, 2010 @05:03PM (#33307318) Homepage Journal

    "If there is a more gullible group of people than audiophiles, I haven't met them."

    Furries.

    You can get them to do ANYTHING, buy the most insane poorly-drawn stuff from the most talentless artists, and then the ability to lead them into drama.

    Furries definitely top audiophiles in gullibility.

    Actually, I know a furry audiophile. That's mind-numbing, there.

  • by monkeySauce ( 562927 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @05:05PM (#33307336) Journal
    Maybe it was also meant to be purchased and used in a "low oxygen" environment. I'm sure the sound is much better when there isn't so much oxygen permeating your brain and impeding the high quality sound particles, etc.
  • by goofyspouse ( 817551 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @05:08PM (#33307376)
    "(T)hey are are irradiated, I am told, to vapourise any moisture that has found its way into the molecular structure of the conductors."

    Just read that aloud and try not to laugh.
  • by Pharmboy ( 216950 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @05:11PM (#33307414) Journal

    I personally love how you can buy a DVD player at Best Buy for under $100, and then when you need a HDMI cable to hook it up? Over $100. Why does the cable that just sits there cost more than the DVD player it connects, when the DVD player has moving parts, a laser, and a remote control?

    3. Profit!

  • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @05:13PM (#33307448)
    I don't bother with all the techie stuff. I just ask my astrologer to tell me when the best time is to listen to my hi-fi recordings.
  • by Nadaka ( 224565 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @05:15PM (#33307470)

    Enough bleach or peroxide might do the trick.

  • by sharkey ( 16670 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @05:42PM (#33307798)
    Pfft, ivory. You really need the beaks of California Condor chicks that have been removed from their eggs between 44-46 days of incubation. They provide the right balance of rigidity to hold components securely, yet are still soft enough to dampen unwanted vibration from the passage of super high speed music through the ATX12V auxiliary amplification leads to the motherboard.
  • by niftydude ( 1745144 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @07:03PM (#33308586)
    I love the fact that:

    What Do Customers Ultimately Buy After Viewing This Item?

    45% buy HDMI Cable 2M (6 Feet) 4.6 out of 5 stars (3,015) $2.27

  • by honestmonkey ( 819408 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @08:10PM (#33309090) Journal
    How did it get in your pajamas?
  • by istartedi ( 132515 ) on Thursday August 19, 2010 @10:25PM (#33309912) Journal

    The translator needs some work though.

    I did a BS-English-BS translation and got this:

    I have special comment abilities on this post so that scepticly impaired persons do not have to read remarks by Rubinesque intellectuals who prefer not to appreciate biting the wax tadpole.

  • Re:Digital? (Score:3, Funny)

    by DavidTC ( 10147 ) <slas45dxsvadiv.v ... m ['box' in gap]> on Thursday August 19, 2010 @10:36PM (#33309964) Homepage

    Furthermore... if there is some gigantic RF source that’s screwing up the data crossing your SATA cable, you have worse things to worry about than something a fancy SATA cable will fix.

    In fact, DON'T MOVE. Someone might have accidentally installed a 110 kilovolt power line directly through the room you're in, or, alternately, you might have set up your sound system around one of those. Very carefully look around around the room you're in, or around the tower you're at the top of, to see if you can see a six inch thick wire suspended by thirty-foot high pylons. THEY ARE NOT INSULATED, DO NOT TOUCH THEM, THEY WILL KILL YOU. Call emergency services if you can reach a phone. Otherwise, see if you can use them to transmit the audio signal.

    Once you've discounted that, it's time to check for other problems.

    For example, did you accidentally install your sound system inside a microwave oven? If so, simply do not use them both at the same time. Also, do not operate the microwave while you are inside it. (Also, don't operate your sound system when you're inside it, either. Also don't put either of those inside of you. Just stop putting things inside of things, okay?)

    Another thing to check is if the sun gone supernova. You can check by seeing if everything's on fire. If so, RF is going to be a bitch for the next several hours, until the blast wave from the sun destroys the earth...we don't recommend trying to fix the cabling, and instead sitting and contemplating how you could have gone to six flags yesterday instead of spending the money on those cables.

    Then check for dark matter and other dimensions. Some theories suggests that gravity might be able to cross dimensional barriers, which has bugger-all to do with any RF problems, but, frankly, you people who think digital signals degrade like that can't be swayed with facts.

    Once you've eliminated all RF options, there are only a few possibilities left.

    A major remaining cause of problems is if one part of your sound system traveling a significant portion of the speed of light compared to another part. Even if they were in the same frame of reference when you installed, they might not be anymore, so check. If so, time dilation will cause a frequency shift. Also, after several milliseconds, your entire system will be ripped apart as the cables no longer reach.

  • by fyoder ( 857358 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @01:45AM (#33310836) Homepage Journal

    High end digital cables are totally worth it, especially if they have pretty lights! ;)

    And titanium binary shielding to prevent bit leakage, drift, and collisions. When ALL the bits are travelling in the same direction with perfect coherency, the sound quality is so good it induces multiple orgasms even in males. I'd like to see a cable without binary shielding do that! And if its not titanium, it's crap. But that goes without saying.

  • by maweki ( 999634 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @02:36AM (#33311020) Homepage
    So if I drop them on an altar, I will see if they are blessed, uncursed or cursed.
    Beware!!! If they are cursed, you will be unable to remove them from your rig, once put in action.
  • by ReallyEvilCanine ( 991886 ) on Friday August 20, 2010 @06:40AM (#33311904) Homepage
    Still in the Google cache [googleusercontent.com]:

    Super SATA Cables on Sale Soon
    Posted by Malcolm Steward on 8/17/10 Categorized as Audio

    The Super SATA cables I recently tested proved to be real shockers. Every logical thought was telling me that the wires that transmit the raw digital data between a hard disk and the motherboard in a NAS simply could not influence the sound that emerged from the player – after the music has already subsequently passed through metres of CAT5.

    But they do.

    I listened to the cables in my NAS feeding my Naim HDX/DAC/XPS and clearly identified easily perceptible improvements through my highly revealing active Naim DBL system. Quite what it is that wrought these improvements I do not know. My only guess is that the Super SATAs reject interference significantly better than the standard cables and in so doing lower the noise floor revealing greater low-level musical detail and presentational improvements in the soundstage and the ‘air’ around instruments.

    The most marked and worthwhile difference, I felt, was in the increased naturalness in both the sound of instruments and voices, which seemed more organic, human and less ‘electronic’, and in the music’s rhythmical progression, which was also more natural and had the realistic ebb and flow that musicians exhibit when playing live. In short, recordings sounded more like musical performances then recordings.

    As you can see the cables do not look anything special even though they are far more robust than the standard issue flat cables, and they are are irradiated, I am told, to vapourise any moisture that has found its way into the molecular structure of the conductors.

    The photo here shows the original, Generation 1 cable but there is now a more advanced, wider bandwidth Generation 2 version that is soon going to be available from the same American manufacturer. They will, of course, be more expensive than ‘ordinary’ SATA cables – the red and grey insulated flat cables that come free with hard disks or sell for around £2.99. But their superior performance easily justifies the extra expense.

    When I have a definite price on the new cables and the URL from which they will be able to be purchased, I will post the information here. I cannot wait: I only have one of the generation 1 cables and wanted a dozen more for other hard disks and SATA peripherals. Now there is a supposedly ‘better’ version I cannot wait to evaluate it and if it is, as I am told, substantially superior, get my order in for a dozen of those.

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