Reeves Rumors Reversed 156
AdmiralXyz writes "The rumor that Keanu Reeves was in talks with the Wachowski brothers to produce Matrix movies 4 and 5, in 3-D, is apparently just that. Representatives from Warner Bros. spoke to Wired and called the rumors 'bunk,' pointing out that the school Reeves was supposedly accepting an award from when he made the announcement doesn't actually exist. His publicists made similar statements. Perhaps the film deities have shown us mercy just this once."
There is a god (Score:3, Insightful)
and I am thanking him right now!
Not necessarily... BUT... (Score:4, Interesting)
...there sure exists strong evidence of absence of spoon.
Or perhaps the whole thing was just a glitch.
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Good point. I can recognize that there are no sequels: there is only The Matrix. Reloaded and Revolutions were merely rumors, and 4 and 5 obviously cannot exist if 2 and 3 were never made. :)
As long as we're in denial here... (Score:2)
Good point. I can recognize that there are no sequels: there is only The Matrix. Reloaded and Revolutions were merely rumors, and 4 and 5 obviously cannot exist if 2 and 3 were never made. :)
Of course they can! Haven't you seen the Star Wars trilogy? Those movies are "episodes" 4, 5, and 6. And they never made "episodes" 1-3.
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The Matrix had no sequels. I read a killer script for a sequel, and I wish they'd have made it, it would have been so awesome!
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Not brothers... (Score:5, Informative)
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not true according to wikipedia
Re:There is a god (Score:5, Insightful)
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Why? People make movies, you don't want to see them, don't buy a ticket. You save some ridiculous amount of money and have a few hours extra to indulge in something you will enjoy. Why is that so hard?
I don't get all this scorn and derision. If you don't like something - a movie, a web site, Fox News - ignore it. Change the channel. Isn't that what people always say when fighting for freedom of expression versus censorship? "You don't like it, you don't have to watch it."
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If a similar vein if you don't like people complaining about something, don't read it. Or is taking your own advice, something you're not prepared to do?
Of course, some things, like Fox News, are dangerous to ignore. Fox News spends an inordinate amount of time misinforming people. In a democracy that's actually dangerous. The danger is that the misinformed people may now be willing to support nonsensical and idiotic ideas because they've been told repeatedly that it's the only moral and responsible thi
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If a similar vein if you don't like people complaining about something, don't read it. Or is taking your own advice, something you're not prepared to do?
You make a good point, honestly. The problem is that there are often snippets of good input buried amongst the trash, so I feel compelled to at least scan through the comments if it's a story I'm interested in. If it's a story about something I don't like or doesn't really impact me, well, I just ignore it. That's what I wish other people would do; it wastes so much time filtering through the anti-Facebook venom, say, on a story which I may want to read.
Bogus Dude! (Score:2)
On the BBC he did discuss the possibility of another Bill & Ted though, musing on Bill & Ted being in their 50's.
Re:There is a god (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know why people hate Matrix 2/3 so much.
Other than being one half hour too long, I thought it was a fine science-based fiction, as good as any of the classic novels (I Robot, Foundation, 2001, Ender's Game).
Your lack of taste is appalling. Seek help!
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Because The Matrix was a cult movie with a strong plot and some thought-provoking themes, while Matrix 2/3 was simply action flicks with good casting and shiny effects that brought nothing new to the franchise and simply churned money over it?
The Matrix was an excellent movie of immortal value. Matrix 2/3 was merely good action movies of passing notice only because of the original =P
I don't hate them, but I can surely see why fans of the original think they were bad for the story.
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The first was a stand out because it had cutting edge bitchin' special effects, like avoiding the bullets. That kicked ass. 2 and 3 had good effects, but one just stood out simply for the reason it broke new ground. Otherwise it was nothing special.
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>>>The Matrix was a cult movie with a strong plot and some thought-provoking themes
Matrix 2 and 3 had thought-provoking themes too. If you don't believe me, just fast-forward past the action scenes you dislike and focus on the storyline.
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Yes, they do. You have to dig through all the rewrites and changes that caused enough loose ends to make the whole "story" really confusing and quite nonsensical.
Personally, my guess is that the Wachowskis pitched the script and it got initially rejected. No, we can't make the army look bad, we got a war going on right now! No, we can't turn our heroes into people willing to sacrifice billions of people just to achieve their goals, that puts them too close to terrorists. No, we can't let Smith recruit an "a
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"imply action flicks with good casting and shiny effects that brought nothing new to the franchise"
which would have been fine if the made sense within the context the set up in the first movie.
Re:There is a god (Score:4, Insightful)
Both the sequels had strong, thought provoking themes, they just dealt with the parts of philosophy that make everyone today edgy. Epistemology (how do we know what we think we know is real?) Is fun but it doesn't actually provoke fistfights most of the time. If someone starts discussing how we know that what you see as green isn't what I see as blue, we'd probably both roll our eyes and make a joke about laying off the whacky tobaccy - we may pitty the person who is unsure what is real, we may worry about his sanity, but we don't (most of us) feel threatened by his statements. Universality of Ethics (Neo isn't driven by Kantian imperatives to do what is 'universally' best, but by his specific emotive commitment to just one person (Trinity, of course), to do what's best for her.), and Free will vs. Predestination (particularly the Merovingian's take on it), both still give some people fits of blinding rage when they actually get invoked in conversations (for example, some people fight quite seriously over claims that a person was made to do something bad by society, to many people that's not just philosophy, it's politics), and I won't even mention what some people in the past have done over Philosophy of Religion issues. Matrix 2 and 3 went into areas of philosophy that more people get uncomfortable with. They didn't necessarily do it well, but they did it.
It's not even that the first one did a good job on the philosophy. Any speech about epistemology that uses such a distractingly, jarringly wrong metaphor for anyone who knows physics as Morpheus's coppertop soliloquy is certainly no better than the Merovingian's bits, and while the Architect's actions are not a really subtle, nuanced, mature commentary on how an all knowing being can allow evil either (unless you're a Gnostic and think he's representing the Demiurge, not the real God, then just maybe there's some little depth), at least there's some meaningful understatement from the actor there.
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I Robot wasn't a novel. Says a lot for how much you know about good SF...
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I guess it depends on your definition of novel. It was a collection of short stories interconnected with each other with a overreaching story that they were all being told in a row by someone speaking of her experiences with the shift of robots in society. The movie had absolutely nothing to do with the book but the name, I can't even point to a single one of the short stories that the movie used for any of the themes.
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Because it wasn't what it could have been.
Matrix 1 was a genre defining movie. It had everything, from flashy effects to guns to kung fu moves. It was here-and-now sci-fi with a twist, with a hacker hero, with a cool hacker chick and (mostly) believable characters. For one even Reeves' wooden acting was well placed, he was perfectly cast for the stereotypical nerd with zero social competence. The Agents were believable, the whole setting (while violating the laws of thermodynamics, but let's not be nitpicki
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Do you have a link to the script? I am sure a search would pull up many fan made versions, but I would be interested in reading the right one, sounds very interesting.
I already saw The Matrix IV (Score:5, Funny)
They called it Inception. It wasn't very good. But Keanu looked more animated than I have ever seen him before. He must have taken acting lessons.
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I still prefer Memento.
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I maintain that Insomnia is still probably Nolan's best work, despite being a remake. Personally to have Al Pacino on screen in front of you and forget that you're watching Al Pacino acting was a really odd experience, says something about the immersiveness of it (is that even a word??)
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Actually, Neo find himself in the afterlife where he challenges Death to board games with the stakes of reincarnation. After winning, Death takes him up to heaven where he enlists the help of two Martian scientists to create a robot Neo out of spare parts.
He goes back to Earth and he and Morpheus travel back in time in a phone booth with Rufus, do some shit, save Trinity from getting killed, and start a bad-ass band in the 1980s with Death.
There is a sweet ending montage to the song "God Gave Rock and Roll
And once again... (Score:3, Interesting)
And once again, a like makes it all the way around the world before the truth even gets its pants on.
Does anyone actually verify anything any more?
Re:And once again... (Score:5, Funny)
And once again, a psot makes it all the way out of preview before proofreading gets its pants on.
Does anyone actually proofread anything anymore?
Re:And once again... (Score:5, Funny)
Does anyone actually proofread anything anymore?
Just what sort of website do you think you've stumbled upon here, buddy?
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Believe it or not, I recently saw a Hospital-Magazine with a front page headline stating
CC.
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Actually, it would be -Syndrome
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Does anyone actually verify anything any more?
Well this was just entertainment fluff. I mean, its about a movie. Were it more weighty issues, like public policy or health, people would verify it first.
giggle... snicker... chortle...
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And once again, a like makes it all the way around the world before the truth even gets its pants on.
We can thank Facebook for that.
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The WB response includes some misinformation of its own: the school in question quite definitively does exist. In fact, the director of that school has debunked the rumour elsewhere!
Float the rumor (Score:5, Interesting)
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You are forgetting the Profit!!..... step.
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datamine the cyber-zeigeist
But sir - the twitterati are already blogging and we've got multiple pingbacks inbound! If we don't cross-site script the XML to a recursive realtime JSON feed in the next thirty seconds we'll 404 the memebases! ALL OF THEM!
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datamine the cyber-zeigeist
But sir - the twitterati are already blogging and we've got multiple pingbacks inbound! If we don't cross-site script the XML to a recursive realtime JSON feed in the next thirty seconds we'll 404 the memebases! ALL OF THEM!
Go to the head of the class.
What? (Score:2)
Warner Media Rep: Do not try and create a movie. That's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth.
News Reporter: What truth?
Warner Media Rep: There is no new Matrix movie.
News Reporter: There is no new Matrix movie?
Warner Boy: Then you'll see that it's not the movie with Keanu that appears, it is only Neo himself.
Phew! I'm relieved... (Score:2)
...time to order me a club sandwich and a cold Mexican beer to celebrate.
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In hindsight, Bill and Ted 3 really should have given it away as fake, but I thought perhaps he'd mellowed in his disgust that it's often what people associate him with the most.
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What? I was looking forward to Neo waking up, turning to Bill and saying "I just had the most righteous dream!"
Sad Keanu thinks its for the best (Score:2)
Thank god...I loved the first one but the second and third were so awful I havent been able to even watch the first one since..there was alot of potential but they killed it...let it stay dead.
Testing the water (Score:4, Insightful)
You know, considering it can be done totally free, I wonder if there would be value in a studio creating a false rumor like this, then surveying the public response on social networks and sites like this in order to get a feel for the market / fanbase for potential sequel?
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then surveying the public response
It's not important what the public thinks. What matters, is what potential investors (backers) of the film think. Or more refined, what the potential investors think the public thinks. A few fudged survey numbers, and a good PowerPoint, and the producers can convince the investors that the doomed sequel will be a success.
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Oh no... Do you realize what that means? (Score:2)
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More likely (Score:3)
Alternately, the flood of responses gave them the idea that the public can't wait for more Matrix flix and (in the best SF paradox traditions) the horrible eventuality we sought to prevent has been caused by our own efforts.
Not using Keanu (Score:2)
The school exists- (Score:2)
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Wachowskis (Score:3)
The Wachowskis aren't brothers anymore. I wish people would stop referring to them as such.
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At first thought you were pushing a fake _yet another bogus detail_ troll. Hadn't heard about the gender change, but what's it matter, really.
So now we call them The Wachowski's. Big deal. Even saves a word. It's not like the Baldwins, where there are several [google.com] actors to confuse, including one that's unrelated [google.com](The Man they call Jayne!).
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no matter that he no longer has a penis (the correct term: "castration").
Don't correct people when you don't know what you're talking about.
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Sad.
If you had any idea of the hell transsexual people go through growing up you would feel differently about this.
I went through that hell. I'm not genetically female, but I was always a girl in my heart, where it counts. Physically, I'm as female as the doctors could make me. I have to tell doctors I'm transsexual, because they can't tell.
I'm me.
A better rumor... (Score:2)
That school is real, the event was not. (Score:2)
Such a school does indeed exist, though it has the word "International" in it: London International School of Performing Arts [lispa.co.uk] (LIPSA). However, LIPSA denies Keanu was there [metro.co.uk]. I'm surprised Wired didn't bother to do a little more research to determine whether the school exists. I'm also surprised Warner Bros was so snide in its proclamation that the school didn't exist as that could be construed as an attempt at a cover-up (except for the fact that event never happened anyway).
Not the Wachowski brothers (Score:5, Funny)
It's a different director for the next Matrix movies - Uwe Boll.
Paris Hilton is cast as Trinity and John Travolta is playing Morpheus. It's a reboot where instead of being batteries for the machines the humans are sex toys but for ratings purposes there will be no nudity. Ahmed Best is voicing the amusing machine sidekick who helps the heroes fight the bumbling Agent Smith played by Adam Sandler.
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Ah... I was interested in seeing this until the no nudity part. It sounded better than any of the Matrix movie
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So they're just redoing the third, I get it?
Plus he has been too busy (Score:2)
studying up to play Tron in the sequel....
BAZINGA!
Obviously a tipoff (Score:2)
for the title...
Maxtrix: Reversed
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Oh c'mon, no average movie goer would understand that. It's like the Polar bear joke.
Instead you can rest assured it will be:
Matrix: Reinstalled
Matrix: Refurbished
Matrix: Release candidate
Or, my personal favorites:
Matrix: Restored
Matrix: Rebooted.
Awww I was so excited (Score:2)
As I recently converted to Keanuism, a religion I invented (and by invented I mean discovered) that believes Keanu is an immortal being who is sending us messages through his films, I was looking forward to the 4th and 5th gospels of Keanu.
I'm not sure what to make of Point Break, but Keanu works in mysterious ways.
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No, you're not missing anything. You know Hollywood, they can't do math. Have you seen the damages asked in their lawsuits?
Next thing you know they'll want us to believe there was more than two Alien movies.
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No, you're not missing anything. You know Hollywood, they can't do math. Have you seen the damages asked in their lawsuits?
Next thing you know they'll want us to believe there was more than two Alien movies.
It's kind of mysterious how they jumped straight from "Alien" to "Alien 3"...
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Ignoring and denying history only means it's going to happen again and no one learned anything,. There are 4 alien movies. some of which are crap. Don't let the people involved with them get away by ignoring them...make them pay.
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I know a guy who actually believes there are 6 Star Wars films.
But how many lights does he see?
There ARE six Star Wars movies (Score:2)
1. A New Hope
2. The Star Wars Christmas Special
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4. The Return of the Jedi
5. Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure
6. Ewoks: The Battle for Endor
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There was only one (Score:2)
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How can you say there was a lack of mysticism? Did you actually need him nailed to the cross by squids to get the ridiculously overdone Jesus references?
Re:There was only one (Score:4, Interesting)
Agent Smith represented everything that was wrong with us. He would lie (example: "Oh, I am not a bad guy, once you get to know me"), gluttony (all of those Agent Smiths were not needed), murder, vanity. He represented our sins, but on an extreme "I can fly in the air and do cool moves" sort of way.
Neo's name even represented the new changes that would come along with him, similar to Jesus. He was in love, and was soul-less enough to be willing to lose his life to save humanity (soul-less as in he was like a Jedi where you think outwardly).
Now you may ask, "Well if Smith is sins, then sins killed Jesus?" No, Mr. You need to pay closer attention to details. The big robot head killed Neo. This is something that I explained in another post, but I am on a roll right now, so I am going to say it again. The Oracle said that Smith was Neo's counter-balance. Neo also proved that as a balance, he can merge with Smith and survive. Once Neo merged, you could see the big robot head pump electricity into Neo to kill him. If the robot head had waited, Neo would have survived.
There needs to be balance to the equation, so if Neo takes out Agent Smith, there is no balance, so once Neo merged with Smith, to ensure they were not out of balance, the big robot head pumped Neo with electricity (that is what it looks like), effectively killing them both at the same time since at that given moment, they are partially one. Remember, it is a machine. It does not deal in chance, it deals in what needs to be done.
So, somebody who you thought was helping you, ends up killing you, sounds like what happened to Jesus with P Pilot.
More imagery: Agent Smith seems to take form as multiple things, and I could be wrong with some of this, but as Christian folk have told me, Demons help with sins and they are always trying to find a way into our realm of existence (Agent Smith "possessing" Bane anybody?)
Jesus blindly helping his fellow man. They went pretty literal in the movies here.
Come on! The human city was called Zion! Did you see how bright and Brilliant white the room was with the Gate Keepers?
See, one of the cool things they did with the later ones that they did with the first one was even though they talked about stuff, they never really explained it. They did that alot in the first one to bring about that "Are we living in a Truman Show?" type deal. But they shifted more focus to Neo in the later 2 movies instead of concentrating on giving us this awesome "We all might be in the matrix right now" type of thinking, but the questions do not go away. How was Neo able to see without human eyes? How was he able to fight sentinels, basically, with his mind? Is Neo part robot? Is the place Neo at basically just a horrible "overflow" server that they put the people who thought they got freed (As Morpheus says, "Have you ever had a dream that was so real, that you weren't sure if you were awak or asleep?") If this is some kind of "overflow" server, does that mean that the Zionites are really programs themselves?
We truly do not know, but the story itself still brings up these questions. I am sorry that all you paid attention to (not the person directly above me, but the people above him) were the fancy special effects. There is alot more to all 3 movies than you are seeing kids. Free your minds.
I will stop here since this comment is nested pretty far down and chances are nobody will ever read it except for the person I replied to, but seriously, yes, the later movies had alot of special effects. They were flashy. They had action, but they did not derail from basically making Neo Jesus. Anybody who begs to differ, by all means reply to me. We can get into how the last 2 were just as good as the first one.
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I was specifically referencing that scene, and earlier when he "walks on water". They didn't nail him on the cross but he was in the pose.
I'm with you that I enjoyed both films, maybe minus the "downtime" scenes w/ the rave in #2. But the highway chase? Mech warrior things fighting a million squids? Awesome.
The problem is people built the first one up so much that when the 2nd and 3rd didn't show something as revolutionary as the first they were disappointed. (And the hippie rave.)
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It's like that other film "Ocean's Eleven" .... Where the hell was parts one to ten? And if you think this is a joke, they *did* make a sequel and named it "Ocean's Twelve". So where are the other films?
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It's like that other film "Ocean's Eleven" .... Where the hell was parts one to ten? And if you think this is a joke, they *did* make a sequel and named it "Ocean's Twelve". So where are the other films?
Oceans 11 was made in 1960 and stared Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr. , Dean Martin, etc. It was about 11 WWII buddies that robbed several casinos in one night because they had trouble assimilating back into society.
Not sure what the hell Oceans 12 is.
Oceans 12 is this surrealist art movie... (Score:3)
...from couple of years ago.
There is this scene with Julia Roberts pretending to be a woman who is pretending to be Julia Roberts WHILE talking on a phone to another instance of Julia Roberts pretending to be Julia Roberts.
Kinda like this scene [youtube.com] only a level or two more fucked up.
Granted, Bruce Willis showing up and pretending to be JUST Bruce Willis is a bit of a letdown, but the movie makes it up in utter lack of entertainment (in the classic meaning of the word).
Clearly, Ocean's 12 was envisioned as a cri
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Just because your old doesn't mean you shouldn't google
First of all, just because you're young doesn't mean you shouldn't know the difference between "your" and "you're"
And second, Woosh...
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Re:4 and 5 ??? (Score:4, Funny)
The "eleven" isn't a sequence number, it's Clooney's penis size...
In centimeters, I guess.
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You are missing nothing. There was no 2 and 3. Once I thought there was, but I'm sure it was a nightmare.
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Surely to produce films 4 and 5, first there must be 2 and 3. Or am I missing something?
It worked for Star Wars.
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Can we apply an exception for the highway chase, sort of like the exception for the light-saber duel that is the only part of SWI that exists?
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> Can we apply an exception for the highway chase, sort of like the exception for the light-saber duel that is the only part of SWI that exists?
I would reluctantly say, no. I personally can't bring myself to acknowledge the highway chase because of its association with the rest of Matrix 2, if it existed.
This goes triple for the light saber duel in some Star Wars prequel if it actually existed. (As far as I'm concerned, the last Star Wars film was released 31 years ago.)
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Too long and drawn out. I got bored half-way through. Good concept, but they tried to do too much with it.
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I know I'm the only one ever to say this, but I loved the second two. Except the chase. That was weak.
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DN forever is still vaporware until I have installed and played it!