Occupy Flash? 507
mcgrew writes "CNN is reporting another Occupy movement — Occupy Flash. Their aim: get rid of Flash completely. They explain: 'Why does it matter when HTML5 has clearly won the fight for the future of our web browsing? Well, as we've seen with other outdated web technologies (most notably the much-lamented Internet Explorer 6), as long as software is installed on machines, there will be a contingent of decision makers who mandate its use, and there will be a requirement of continued support, the plugin will live on, and folks will continue to develop for it.' In response, a group of Flash developers have started Occupy HTML in Flash's defense. Popcorn, anyone?"
I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:5, Insightful)
Clearly the "Occupy" meme is being abused now. Every dipshit with any pet cause is slapping "Occupy" on it and co-opting solidarity with the OWS movement. "Occupy" is teetering on the edge of really jumping the shark here. If it goes much further, we run the risk of "Hey, remember that whole 'Occupy' fad? What was with THAT, huh?" becoming a segment on VH1's Hey, Remember The Teens? episode on 2011.
Therefore I propose we Occupy "Occupy" before it's too late. We must stand up to those who would steal our term. Because if we don't make a stand today, tomorrow we may be faced with Twilight fans wearing "Occupy Edward" and "Occupy Jacob" t-shirts, which can only lead to nostalgic Gen-Xer's wearing lame "Occupy Empire" and "Occupy Rebellion" Star Wars shirts.
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:5, Funny)
I can see it now, this is the start of Occupygate.
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course. everyone is part of the 99%. It's just a matter of choosing the remaining 1% accordingly.
Of course not everyone is part of the same 99%.
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:5, Insightful)
"Ron Paul, a current presidential candidate for the 2012 election, has lead an
incredibly successful life and has a Net Worth of $4.9 Million".
"Barack Obama is the former Senator from Illinois and the 44th President of the
United States with an estimated net worth of $10.5 million."
Obama is only twice as rich as Ron Paul. They're both 1%ers.
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I want to start an Occupy Margaritaville!!!
Time to hit the nearest bar....
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:5, Funny)
I'm Occupying my livingroom this weekend! If my wife tries to make me move, well, I won't be intimidated with threats from authority figures!
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And, let's face it, punishment may be what he's after. Just as long as he remembers the safe word.
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Occupy elrous0 (Score:5, Funny)
Consider your comment occupied. I'm not even sure why, but I thought I better get in on the fad before I start to look uncool.
It's a shit meme and anyway George Bush beat them all to it years ago with Occupy Afghanistan in 2001 and Occupy Iraq in 2003.
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:5, Funny)
That's it. It's time to Occupy Slashdot.
No longer will we idly stand by and stand for the continuation of all the Bitcoin slashvertisements!
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:4, Insightful)
This is what happens when your movement has no, or very loosely defined, goals.
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:5, Informative)
um - ITS THE PEOPLE (finally, i knew they were somewhere) not a corporation... people that don't hire other people to lie full-time on the TV for them, so maybe it is a little less presentable to the media at large.. I think i'm okay with that.
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It's also very easy to disprove. Just show me the message.
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Incorrect. They're against the redistribution of wealth from the creators of wealth (those of us who work for a living in factories, in construction, in programmer's cubes -- the 99%) to the 1% who aggreate and control the wealth without creating any of it at all. We're not against paying the 1% for what they do; the wealth doesn't mean much when it's not put to good use, so the 1% are far from useless, but they're WAY overpaid. And they're being paid from the wealth that YOU produce in your cubicle.
It's ti
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:4, Insightful)
The problem is that there is no cause. There is no 99%. It's just a bunch of people who collectively agree that they don't like the way things are, but fundamentally disagree on how things should be instead.
It's shades of "change you can believe in." People want change, but what change? Borrowing so much that we can't pay the interest is change. Nuclear war is change. Is that the change we want? Certainly not.
You need to define a platform before you can have a cause. But that dissolves the coalition of the naive who each believe that everyone wants to do the thing they want to do rather than each having their own ideas and goals.
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah... it really went over the top when United Artists announced that the Bond film would be called:
Occupyssy.
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"Occupy" is teetering on the edge of really jumping the shark here.
I believe the term is "nuking the fridge" now.
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I just can't keep up anymore. Do you know that just *yesterday* I learned that owling had replace planking? And even that still probably leaves me several memes back.
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I think the Occupy Wall Street protest is called that because they are not protesting Wall Street but Wall Street as a symbol of a larger problem.
These other ones are just being stupid.
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> Clearly the "Occupy" meme is being abused now.
Now?? Where have you been??
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:5, Funny)
As a die-hard Twilight fan, and member of team centenarian pedophile, I resent this.
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:4, Funny)
I think the worst was when some moron came up with "Occupy Tibet"... Um, being occupied is PRECISELY the problem they have.
Unfortunately I can't rant on the guy's Facebook page without "liking" the stupidity...
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I'm starting an "Occupy My Pants" movement, any lovely ladies interested in joining? ;-)
... thought not v_v
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:4, Funny)
Yes! Stand up to them! Freedom of expression is for us, not them!
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Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:5, Insightful)
As opposed to a closed source plug in? Where is the spec for the Flash run time?
And guess which codec Flash video usually uses?
So Flash is open sourced and doesn't have DRM?
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It turned out, though, that the Occupy movement was just the same old agitators, with a little more substantial marketing campaign behind them. The occupy movement is now, clearly, a leftist subset of the democrat party, with the same old, tired, socialist screeds.
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:5, Funny)
Bill Gates is clearly in the 1%.
Occupy Gate.
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I cant wait till I actually see that one TV.
Just need some scandal, and I'm sure that's what they'll coin it.
Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy" (Score:5, Funny)
Isn't it just a common mislatinization? Clearly it should be occupodes!
Unfortunate (Score:5, Insightful)
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What issue are they takling? You talk to people and they have no clue what they are demanding... it is simply a disorganized mess.
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That's an insult to disorganized messes. Even a disorganized mess makes more sense than the Occupy movement(s).
Re:Unfortunate (Score:5, Insightful)
If the press really wanted to understand the Occupy movement, it wouldn't just stand back and complain that the movement is not producing a manifesto. Rather, they would take an empirical approach, by conducting surveys with the protesters, to see which attitudes best characterize them, statistically. (Quick, somebody write an app for that).
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You cannot come up with a solution until you know what the problem is.
If you tear down a government without a clear idea of how to rebuild it it is then likely that the rebuilt government will end up being worse than the original.
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There are aspects of some of their complaints I can't disagree with. Where private concerns received public funds to stay afloat, the bonuses should have been squashed, and in all likelihood, the boards and senior management should have been thrown out on the street.
But in general, where you have a private company that has not dipped into the well, that remains strictly the concern of the shareholders, providing those getting bonuses are not violating the law (ie. various forms of what amounts to fraud and
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The immediate problem is that income inequality in U.S. is at it highest point since the end of WW2, and still growing steadily. That in itself is really just a symptom of other problems, of course, but, generally speaking, the most obvious ways of treating this (like raising income tax back to where it was during the "golden age of capitalism") will also treat those other problems.
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The media has spoken to the protesters on the street. So unless OWS has been secretly organized by some hidden cabal, who else is there?
Perhaps you have the names of a few comrades you'd care to share with us? Things will go easier for you if you do.
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Reminds me of that scene in PCU [wikipedia.org] where the main characters are being approached by the various causeniks in the quad, none of whom have any real understanding of the causes they're espousing. When one of the causeniks urges them to "Free Nelson Mandela!" they have to explain to him that Nelson Mandela has already *been* freed.
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What does that mean?
Are you talking about ones that committed crimes? Absolutely, they should be punished.
Are you talking about ones that did nothing illegal, but acted unethically? Name and shame them.
Are you talking about finding rich scapegoats and tearing them down, because you're miserable and want somebody to pay? Too bad, grow up.
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The tea party is already going after that group.
If you have a lion chewing on your leg, and a tiger on your arm, would you use your free arm and leg on the lion, completely ignoring the tiger? You seem to be implying that is the best course of action.
Oh, wait, from the looks of your post and your sig, it's obvious, you use the simple metric of liberal=wrong, conservative=correct. Never mind, carry on without having to think about an issue.
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Oh, like how it targets liberals (who helped with the problem) but ignores the conservative in the middle (who helped, maybe in different ways)?
You are targeting a lot of liberal stuff, but ignoring the conservative elements that also contribute to the problem.
Your right, it would be a stretch to call that thinking, it's obvious enough that you could stop at calling it 'observation of the obvious.'
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Try reading the signs instead of listening to right-wing radio. You might start to understand it.
Okay, I'll start.
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Though OWS has fuzzy goals, they clearly seem to be against corporate control. What better symbol of corporate control is there than Flash? OWS's issue may be more important, but technology standards are not trivial.
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What better symbol of corporate control is there than Flash?
Well, Apple, for one. Adobe exerts control over but two things: Jack, and Shit, and Jack left town.
Flash isn't going anywhere. It may end up relegated to corporate online training, but it's not dying by any sense of the word. It's just settling into its niche. The Flash player is only going to die when you can author a complete online training course in the Flash IDE and export it to HTML5 with no loss of functionality. That is still years away, at best.
Re:Unfortunate (Score:4, Interesting)
The Occupy Wall Street movement descended into self-parody shortly after it started. The participants themselves trivialized whatever issues they had by their own actions during the protest. Like a lot of people, I cared about the issues, but had to cringe at how silly and empty the protest became, and now wouldn't be associated with them for a big bag of gold.
The name had ceased to mean anything long before we started making fun of it.
Re:Unfortunate (Score:5, Informative)
Responsibility, and accountability for the wealthy few who direct the country. Focusing more on leading the country (and to an extent, even the world) and it's people to a more financially suitable situation for everyone, and not just the wealthiest few?
People may be focused on different aspects related to that, but I'd call that the overall goal. Changing the government, and allowing government control over more things isn't the way to go about it, changing the mindsets of those individuals with disproportionately more power, who make the decisions, is what is needed, and I think that's what most of the people in the occupy movement are trying for.
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You can't both be for "responsibility" while also being for forgiveness of your debts incurred when getting an overpriced worthless degree.
It's unfortunate, too, because I agree with their criticism about all the wealthy who have gotten that way without producing any real value ... but most OWS solutions would simply make *themselves* those people, to the extent they want high salaries despite having worthless skills. Plus, their demand for more funding for higher education would just make the education system even more bloated and wasteful, with more university leaders getting big salaries for doing nothing of value.
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Really? What is OWS's stated goal?
Try to keep up. For one, a major goal is to highlight and reduce the influence that corporations have in our government.
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it's weird that with so many years of perspective people still refer to Soviet Russia as a communist system.
the primary political aspect of soviet russia was totalitarianism, not communism.
Stalin murdered 20 million russians, not counting deaths during the war.
he used enforced wide-scale mass-starvation as a weapon, for example.
that kind of terror is not a feature of communism, that's a feature of totalitarianism.
ditto china, ditto nazi germany.
for further reading, check out "Koba the Dread: Laughter and the Twenty Million" by Martin Amis, or "The Origins of Totalitarianism" by Hannah Arendt.
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What issue is that? That a bunch of idiots are having a street party calling it a 'movement' when all they really need to do is actually fucking vote rather than being whiney little bitches?
Hey, great solution. They can vote for the Republican candidate who has been vetted and funded by Wall Street, or the Democrat candidate who has been vetted and funded by Wall Street. Yeah, that will show them!
It'll cost a lot of money to promote (Score:3)
Vote for whom?
Start a party with a platform of government transparency [wikipedia.org]. Buy a significant chunk of ad time on major cable TV networks. Internet advertising is not enough because more people watch ads on TV than watch ads on the Internet. I'll admit that it'll take a lot of fundraising to match the Republicratic political machine.
Yeah right (Score:2)
I get that this is mainly humor, but does anyone actually think this is going to have any kind of impact. Most users don't even realize what it is they are installing when they click the "click here to install required add-on" button.
I'm all for the quick death of Flash .. much as it is maligned, it enabled a lot of the really cool stuff we have today.. but it's time for it to die. I don't see this "movement" making any actual difference however.
Glad I read this, I learned a few things (Score:5, Insightful)
Though the 15-year old technology is still commonly used for advertisements, videos and games, many developers have been moving toward more modern and universal standards like HTML5
Well that's pretty impressive. It's been around for 15 years, and is still heavily used. That said, HTML5 is looking pretty sure to eclipse it, eventually.
"We feel this move effectively creates two Internets -- the one you can use on mobile/tablets and the one you can use on the desktop," one of the founders of the Occupy Flash movement said via e-mail. "This is not good for anyone except Adobe."
Now that I know it's been around for 15 years, I'm kind of impressed it's still working, and not terribly surprised that it hasn't morphed well into newer technologies that are being used in ways people were only beginning to think of at the turn of the millenium. I know 15 years is not that unusual for some technologies, like mainframes, but just think about the rapid pace of development in web standards, graphics cards and algorithms, etc.
Huh, I wonder what Adobe thinks [adobe.com].
HTML5 is now universally supported on major mobile devices, in some cases exclusively. This makes HTML5 the best solution for creating and deploying content in the browser across mobile platforms. We are excited about this, and will continue our work with key players in the HTML community
Seems reasonable. As does this:
Our future work with Flash on mobile devices will be focused on enabling Flash developers to package native apps with Adobe AIR for all the major app stores. We will no longer continue to develop Flash Player in the browser to work with new mobile device configurations
Fair enough. What about security fixes?
We will of course continue to provide critical bug fixes and security updates for existing device configurations. We will also allow our source code licensees to continue working on and release their own implementations.
Spiffy.
Aren't there more important things these people could be spending their time on?
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I've yet to see HTML5 as an alternative for casual flash games though. Granted, volume wise flash is used much more for videos than games, but there are many popular websites out there for casual gaming that are powered almost exclusively by Flash. Ignoring this segment of Flash's users and pretending that we can just make flash go *poof* and disappear without addressing that use case is pretty foolish in my opinion.
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Go under page info -> media (in Firefox) and you'll see http://chrome.angrybirds.com/fowl/gwt-voices.swf [angrybirds.com]
Your example uses flash for sound effects, which are a pretty core component of a gaming experience. Care to try again?
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Javascript as a language makes me sad.
I don't generally like prototype based OOP, but I've come around to being ok with javascript for stuff of low to medium complexity (and as I'm not a web dev, this has been most of my experience with it). Javascripts date handling is still bafflingly insane however, especially given that this is a fairly commonly needed feature.
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That's one reason people will come to hate HTML5 in a few years, once they realize that the primary use of the canvas and audio tags will be to serve up poorly programmed advertisements.
Yep. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss, only with a shittier programming language.
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True. Hence my caveat:
Now that I know it's been around for 15 years, I'm kind of impressed it's still working, and not terribly surprised that it hasn't morphed well into newer technologies that are being used in ways people were only beginning to think of at the turn of the millenium. I know 15 years is not that unusual for some technologies, like mainframes, but just think about the rapid pace of development in web standards, graphics cards and algorithms, etc.
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does anyone actually think this is going to have any kind of impact.
Some obviously do or they wouldn't have started it. Personally, I thought it was pretty silly, and it seems so do most other slashdotters. There are some good comments.
I doubt Occupy Flash will kill Flash, and I think the Flash occupiers are wasting their time. It's like putting a man on death row who's already dying of cancer. I'm of the belief that flash will die on its own, like so many other obsolete technologies (and other technologies
Zap! (Score:3, Funny)
Just an electric chair so we can properly deal with Flash and Flash developers. The beast must die.
Thank goodness (Score:2)
Thank goodness I hate flash- always have- worst thing to have happened to the web. OK, shockwave is worse.
And what percentage of malware took advantage of flash flaws- it was quite a high percent if I recall.
The "Occupy HTML" isn't a giant flash website? (Score:2)
But it still has the problem of not being able to link to the internal sections. Good job!
Occupy HTML, written in HTML (Score:5, Funny)
Game, set, match.
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Indeed, it's a beautiful site (though a direct copy of Occupy Flash [occupyflash.org]) with no Flash dependency at all. The only way it uses Flash is to detect if it's installed. I'm skeptical it's serious at all. I have a sneaking suspicion one person dreamed the whole thing up, including both sites.
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(O) Occupy Inside (Score:2)
Oh please, Flash vs. HTML is nonsense. There are some real issues at hand here, like who controls the software that we live on.
See my site that talks about this http://occupyinside.org/ [occupyinside.org]
Occupy /. (Score:2)
This whole thing helps keep me occupied.
pissing contests (Score:5, Insightful)
HTML5 is not a superset of Flash.
Flash is not a superset of HTML5.
Get over the pissing contests and use the right tool for the job.
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And that is always HTML5 right! ;)
Re:pissing contests (Score:5, Interesting)
HTML5 is not a superset of Flash.
Flash is not a superset of HTML5.
Get over the pissing contests and use the right tool for the job.
Saying Flash is appropriate for a web site is like saying IPX/SPX are appropriate protocols for a LAN connecting to the Internet. Sure, it can be done, but it's a stupid way to do it and thankfully went away many years ago.
The right tools to create web sites are web standards. Even Adobe agrees with that; they've actually been promoting HTML5 for a while. They're still promoting AIR for desktop apps I think. I have no interest in that, but it is apparently the right too for some people.
Re:pissing contests (Score:5, Informative)
Somebody forgot about Flash games and animations (like Homestar Runner), quite possibly the most legitimate uses for Flash in existence that HTML5 couldn't replicate nearly as well, what with varying implementations and a constantly changing standard.
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AIR is basically like a redistributable type thing. Unless I'm mistaken, Microsoft does a similar thing with .NET and their other development tools. Similar also in concept to Java where there's a virtual machine to interpret your code.
You are right about standards being the way to go, but the point of creating any sort of redistributable/virtual machine concept is to provide consistency and continuity where there is a lack of standards. Flash has provided a pseudo/quasi standard means of delivering video
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The right tools to create web sites are web standards.
What world do you live in that every piece of content created for online distribution is a "web site". How the hell are we supposed to produce decent and interactive online training courses without Flash? If you look at good vs. bad online training courses, you'll notice that the "bad" ones are basically glorified Powerpoint presentations, just page-turners with minimal interaction and nothing to engage the learner. Guess what technologies are used to produce those courses? If you look at "good" courses
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Agreed. But part of the problem is that Flash's existence is a higher cost than HTML5. Flash a is closed source, singular implementation that exists outside the control of the browser. As a result, it increases attack vectors and can subvert browser managed privacy (e.g. having it's own cache and cookies). Sandboxing helps, but is more of a hack than a proper solution.
So, even if HTML5 isn't a superset of Flash, it does offer clear benefits in it's implementation. So if Flash's unique benefits are _mos
As much as I hate flash.. (Score:5, Insightful)
As much as I hate flash, you gotta admit flash existed for a reason: it filled the gaps where HTML was more lacking. Unfortunately, that's still true today even with HTML5, although the trend towards HTML5 is very obvious and clear.
Many browsers still can't playback HTML5 properly and there isn't even a single video codec which will work consistently across browsers just like flash does, AFAIK. (I'm talking about h264 license issues, WebM's lack of hardware decoding, etc..).
Also, while rich media solutions are certainly possible with CSS3 and javascript, it still requires significantly more effort than its flash counterparts.
Of course, that doesn't excuse many many (many) uses where flash isn't really necessary but still being used. THAT must go. And flash video should be avoided where possible if the browser supports anything else. I think the main issue with that is that many web developers are still being lazy (hey, megavideo, I'm looking at you!).
But flash still accomplishes some things across browsers consistently in a way that HTML5 and CSS3 still can't - or at least not effortlessly for the web developer, which is what counts most of the times; let's hope Adobe helps with that with the HTML5 tools they are building.
So don't blame everything on flash, the standards are advancing too slowly IMHO even with backers such as Apple and Google.
"I hate flash" is the new "I hate Microsoft" (Score:3)
Except with less rationale to it. Why anyone gets worked up about a plugin that does what its supposed to do reasonably well and has some very comprehensive development tools I have no idea. Its probably the sort of people who really have nothing to complain about in their lives but are still at the age where they need a "cause" to feel worthy who are making the most noise about it.
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Have you ever tried using the plugin in linux? It does not do what it is supposed to and it does not do it reasonably well.
Re:"I hate flash" is the new "I hate Microsoft" (Score:4, Informative)
It's pretty awful on OS X as well. Flash 10 needed about 6x more CPU on OS X than Windows and crashed every 10 minutes or so. According to this elderly benchmark anyway.
http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2008/10/benchmarking-flash-player-10.ars [arstechnica.com]
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You've clearly never done any serious web development. Even you'd been a heavy Adobe user, you'd have noticed that they've been pushing HTML5 for a while now. I have no idea if their tools for working with web standards are up to the quality of their Flash ones, but that seems to be the goal. Hating Adobe is less reasonable than hating Microsoft, but hating Flash is not.
Adobe Flash as a Content Classifier (Score:5, Interesting)
Flash must live on! If Flash dies out then that means highly annoying and CPU-hogging advertisements will be converted into HTML5 and get around my simple flashblock. I don't like Flash as much as the next guy but when you can currently carte blanche disable flash and easily remove the most heinous of web content, I fully support its continued use.
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With this [smokescreen.us] ;)
HTML5 has not "won" (Score:3, Insightful)
1. Its performance is crappy at best. ...
2. It exposes too much of the source for people who want to make a living off their code. It's bad enough with Flash and Java decompilers
3. Unlike Flash, Python, Perl, Tcl.TK, C, C++, Java, etc., HTML5 needs a browser - and browsers are themselves a crappy - and inconsistent - host environment, so you also inherit any security and bug problems from the browser.
4. The standard for HTML5 is not yet even finished.
Sure, you can write applications in HTML5 (I'm writing one now) - but it's a crappy way to write a program. The DOM might be okay for documents (hence the "D" in Document Object Model) but it's a real impedance mismatch for anything else.
The grass is greener on the other side (Score:5, Informative)
Now if you hit a page with a few Flash-like HTML animations, they'll all be in contention on the same thread, running off timers and generally chugging. And hardware accelerated video? Screw that, you're stuck with WebM or whatever else can be called the lowest common denominator.
A movement missing reality... (Score:4, Insightful)
'Why does it matter when HTML5 has clearly won the fight for the future of our web browsing?'
A future technology still being defined does not solve today's problems.
While we're at it, let's boycott all manufacturers of prosthetic legs as using stem cells and legal pot to regenerate lost limbs is clearly the superior technology.
Either way... (Score:3)
So what we're really discussing is which Adobe product we will be buying/using, their Flash IDE or their HTML5 IDE.
Occupy this... (Score:3)
While I despise Flash, I realize that a lot of companies have a ton of money invested in Flash. Replacing it is not going to be free. Flash will eventually be replaced without the help of protesters if the benefits of HTML5 out weigh those of Flash and the cost of HTML5 is similar to Flash. Cost = Labor, Training and Development Tools.
Think of Flash as the tool, not the plug-in (Score:4, Interesting)
Flash may very well be on the way out as a browser plug-in (a distribution platform, if you like).
It will likely live on a long time as an artists' tool.
Flash as a platform, a plug-in, was a way to solve the problem of "I've made this cool animation in Flash, now how do I show it to people?"
Adobe has gotten with the times, and turned Flash into a vector animation tool with the level of features for professionals you'd expect (think Photoshop or Illustrator). Sure you can make a "Flash movie", but you can also import your artwork from better creation tools, easily animate it with tweens (etc) in Flash, then export to any number of video or animation formats, or more importantly to frames or sprite sheets. Those exported formats find their way into your game, program, etc. The old "Flash movie" has nothing to do with this workflow.
The plug-in is decreasingly useful every day. The tool is quite useful for the designer/artist and will live on. You just won't watch Flash-created content in a Flash platform plugin. You'll be watching Flash-animated content (likely created outside Flash) in some other platform and never know Flash was part of the picture.
You don't look at graphics in a Photoshop or GIMP plugin, or play iOS games inside XCode, but the tools still exist and are useful, separate from the obsolescence of the delivery platform.
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I suspect both sites were made by the same person.
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I'm sorry, but you've missed one important criticism:
It's a proprietary non-standard technology controlled by a single company with a single proprietary working implementation. Whether you like the other technologies used in the web, they aren't controlled by a single company, and have multiple implementations letting you choose the most secure or stable one. With Flash, you're stuck with Adobe's implementation, especially on platforms that are overlooked (such as GNU/Linux and non-x86 hardware such as mobi
Ten times bigger. (Score:4, Informative)
I think they should open it, and it should not be plugin, but a protocol
Adobe's way ahead of you. It relicensed the Flash spec as part of the Open Screen Project.
And you do not need flash for playing video
But you do need Flash for playing vector animations like Weebl and Bob. Otherwise, you have to render each frame of the SWF to produce mp4 and webm files, and in my tests, those end up ten times bigger than the SWF.