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Little Miss Sunshine Screenwriter Gets Nod For Star Wars: Episode VII 321

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from the pen-and-paper dept.
The screenwriter of Toy Story 3, and Little Miss Sunshine, Michael Arndt is writing the script for Star Wars: Episode VII according to Lucasfilm. From the article: "...The new movie has just entered pre-production and is slated to be released in 2015. It was announced just last month as Disney acquired Lucasfilm, but there’s still no word on what the major plot points of the new chapter will entail. However, Vulture reports that 'the studio’s brass want to bring back the three central characters of the original Star Wars: a much older Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, and Han Solo. No deals are in place with any of the original actors, though our source did say it had high ambition to sign up Mark Hamill, and EW recently reported that Harrison Ford was open to the idea of returning.'"
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Little Miss Sunshine Screenwriter Gets Nod For Star Wars: Episode VII

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  • Hamill? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Russ1642 (1087959) on Monday November 12, 2012 @10:44AM (#41956667)
    Mark Hamill? Seriously? Why not just make Jar-Jar the central character of the next movie? The writers and directors of episode VII have the easiest job ever: do better than George Lucas. That's it. No matter how crappy the movie is it only needs to be better than episodes I through IV and it'll still be a huge win.
  • Re:First (Score:5, Insightful)

    by modmans2ndcoming (929661) on Monday November 12, 2012 @10:58AM (#41956851)

    Because Disney has such a history of screwing up the franchises it buys...

  • by characterZer0 (138196) on Monday November 12, 2012 @10:59AM (#41956867)

    New? Disney?

  • by concealment (2447304) on Monday November 12, 2012 @11:03AM (#41956915) Homepage Journal

    Hollywood has introduced typical Hollywood people which will take Star Wars, a film loved by many in part because it departed from the Hollywood norm, and turn it into the same old Hollywood dreck.

    That's bad, but what's worse is that Lucasfilm will not do any better. After sitting through at least one of the "new" Star Wars movies, I concluded that Lucas has no idea why people loved the original film. Flat dialogue, gratuitous action, and lots of special effects does not make up for lack of a compelling plot or characters, and actors who in no way matched the quality of those in the originals.

    Now there's rumor they want to bring back the original cast, who are now in their 60s, and have them re-live their former roles. Unless we CGI them, too, they're going to play older characters, which will either be unbelievable as they take on action scenes, or involve a lot less action.

    All of the signs regarding this movie show that Lucasfilm and now Disney have missed the point. People don't want to see "all the familiar things" again. They want a movie that's as good as the original Star Wars, and has the same elements: adventuresome space rogues, conflict between good and evil, cool technology and racing around space at light speed.

    What made Star Wars good was related to these elements and a compelling script. Disney is trying to make a new one by imitating the surface traits of that past movie, and will as a result not explore what made the movie great, and therefore will be flogging a dead horse instead of coming up with a new success story.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 12, 2012 @11:24AM (#41957171)

    Our perennial right to is to claim everything was always better in our younger years. Nothing today can even hope to match what was done then. Honestly? Disney has a fantastic track record with making good, quality films. They even managed to not blow it with Pixar, the Muppets, and Marvel. I think Lucasfilms is in good hands....and look forward to this new trilogy.

  • by sjbe (173966) on Monday November 12, 2012 @11:30AM (#41957243)

    Hollywood has introduced typical Hollywood people which will take Star Wars, a film loved by many in part because it departed from the Hollywood norm, and turn it into the same old Hollywood dreck.

    I think you have that backwards a bit. Star Wars CHANGED the "Hollywood norm". I am old enough that I saw Episode IV in theaters in the 1970s. Perhaps you aren't old enough to remember it (apologies if you are) but Star Wars changed sci-fi movies, particularly space adventures. It was a change equivalent to the magnitude of the change the iPhone had on the cell phone market. Almost everything since was influenced by the Star Wars movies and much of it for the better. It isn't that Star Wars did something different and then went back. It's that Hollywood changed to match Star Wars and so it was difficult for it to stand out anymore.

    Furthermore, George Lucas reached the limit of his talent but not his ego. There were signs of this in Return of the Jedi with the Ewoks and things got worse after that. However the Star Wars universe is pretty rich ground for good story telling so perhaps there is hope that in more capable hands we will see some new movies worthy of the impact of the originals.

  • Re:Hamill? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by arth1 (260657) on Monday November 12, 2012 @11:57AM (#41957569) Homepage Journal

    Now if Disney wants to do a sequel to the original trilogy they have to keep the characters of Leia, Han and Luke.
    BUT they have to change actors.

    Why do they have to change actors?
    Growing old is part of life, and if the setting of episode VII is 35 years after episode VI, it would make sense to have grandpa Han, grandma Leia and old uncle Luke (possibly living in isolation like Obi-Wan did).
    Sure, you'd need new actors too, but that doesn't preclude the old cast from being present or even playing major roles.

    In particular, the "No. There is another" reference to Leia begs to be explored. I can imagine a somewhat fragile and middle-aged grandma using the force and saving the universe. That might rock.

  • Re:Masterpiece? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gfxguy (98788) on Monday November 12, 2012 @12:12PM (#41957781)

    Episode IV was fairly well brilliant. Empire was even better. ROTJ is the letdown.

    The only one of the prequels that is bearable is Episode III - I like it about as much as ROTJ which is to say it is fun but not great.

    I could not suspend disbelief far enough to enjoy Episode II because of the love story or Episode III because of Episode III, and I was able to suspend disbelief enough to enjoy the first season of Babylon 5 in spite of the incredibly bad acting. Episode I is OK if you watch The Phantom Edit.

    I'm assuming you meant "because of Episode II," in which case I agree with both of these statements from you I quoted.

    I would rather say, though, that IV was ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.... given that I was 10 years old and there'd been nothing like it before (despite it obviously using some tired cliches and borrowing from other movies - nothing like it that a 10 year old would ever have seen). V was the best, VI was a let down, but it was still good and still better than any of the prequels. Of course, this is all just my opinion.

    I was terribly disappointed with episode I, but I was like "Ok, let's just see where he's going with this..." and then after episode II I was like "OK, he went nowhere." I might have liked it, but like you, as a mature adult, the love story was just too unbelievable... even Natalie couldn't save the terrible writing and direction. I will say, though, that despite that, I thought III was OK.

    Like a lot of others, though, back on topic, I think it can't get much worse than I - III, and without Lucas writing, I think it stands a chance of being much better, and with more eyes on it - IOW, not just Lucas saying "this is my movie, so it goes my way," I think Disney execs are better judges of what will sell. My only problem is the target market for Disney, so if they dumb it down to a kid's movie, then again - ten year olds might think it's fantastic, but us old fans probably won't.

  • Re:Hamill? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Atzanteol (99067) on Monday November 12, 2012 @02:01PM (#41958989) Homepage

    I agree completely. They completely missed an opportunity to show us Anakin's descent into evil in a way that made you feel for him. Like feel... Anything. Betrayed, happy, angry, *something* would have been good. There simply wasn't enough conflict. No sense of inner turmoil. Just - "Oh, I'm evil now. Guess I'll go do some bad stuff right? Maybe after I have lunch..."

  • Pretentious wanker (Score:5, Insightful)

    by SmallFurryCreature (593017) on Monday November 12, 2012 @02:07PM (#41959055) Journal

    The above is the kind of often repeated comment made by a wanna-be movie expert who knows he will be laughed out of the room if he just says Star Wars is crap so he tries to dress it up by saying the 2nd movie was okay because of (never actually specify because that takes knowledge) and the 1st was just popular.

    And it is a LOAD OF BULL.

    Star Wars was HUGE and not just with 10 years old. There is little point in comparing it with anything else because little else had such impact. Beauty and the Beast (the disney animation) and the Lion King are ALMOST there because they were the only kids movies parents didn't dread having to watch but Star Wars was NOT a kid movie, it was a movie for all ages and ALL ages saw it, on their own AND with each other.

    The acting and the story, they are not important to the impact a movie has on history. (one of) The first movie I believe was of a train coming to the camera and scared the shit out of viewers. It has no story but it is important because it was the first time anybody had done anything like it. Some classic movies are now practically unwatchable because our tastes changed but some stood the test of time and are movies that divide the world in those who haven't seen it and those who have and those who haven't can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

    "I never seen Star Wars" is a TV show, it isn't called "I never seen Firefly". Loads of people never seen that, it might be a better story it might have better special effects (or not, never seen it) but not having seen it isn't anything special. But Star Wars, EVERYONE has seen. That is part of what makes it big.

    Complaining that the special effects are outdated is only said by people who would color Casablanca.

    If you write a book about movie history and indeed, popular western culture in the last century, you have to include Star Wars. You can skip over hundreds of movies with far better plots with fewer plotholes and better acting because while those movies were enjoyable, they just did not have the impact Star Wars did. And no, again, not just to kids. My mother was as big a fan as me and countless adults enjoyed it just as much as their kids and as teenagers.

    And this was in an age when a lot of movies were getting darker and darker, grittier and nastier and BAM there was one movie made on a shoe string budget by a virtual unknown and EVERYONE was back into Flash Gordon. And yes, thank you, EVERYONE knows the story wasn't the least bit original. That was partly the point, the pundits knew people wanted more substance and George Lucas proved them wrong, this was straight back to the beginning of movie making. Skip the talking and give us ACTION!

    And few would get it. Lucas and Spielberg would OWN movies for years to come even as others tried with The Black Hole and Battle Star Galactica. With no real success.

    Empire Strikes Back was technically a better movie but it was a sequel to. It never had the same impact, it was amazingly succesful but it was riding on the tails of a far greater movie. Not because the first was the best but because it was the first.

    It is the difference between when Hillary went up Mount Everest and when a modern team does it. And if you don't get that, then you are a very sad person.

    As for all the hating on Ewoks, that just become a meme for people to scared of getting beat up by nerds if they dish Star Wars to hate on something popular. Hating Star Wars for Ewoks is like hating Star Trek for Spocks Brain.

  • Rude Fanboi (Score:3, Insightful)

    by sjbe (173966) on Monday November 12, 2012 @02:58PM (#41959535)

    Very mature insulting people because they dare point out that the holy Star Wars trilogy might (gasp shock horror) have some flaws.

    The above is the kind of often repeated comment made by a wanna-be movie expert who knows he will be laughed out of the room if he just says Star Wars is crap so he tries to dress it up by saying the 2nd movie was okay because of (never actually specify because that takes knowledge) and the 1st was just popular.

    Who said it was crap? I said it was a good movie with a shallow plot with breakthrough FX for its day that hasn't aged especially well. All of that is true It ISN"T a deep story and wasn't really meant to be. It was meant to be a rollicking fun summer popcorn film and it was. The FX were amazing by the standards of the 1970s. Star Wars didn't win an academy award for Best Screenplay, it won for Special Effects. It's ok to acknowledge the flaws of a work of art and still love the work.

    Empire Strikes Back was technically a better movie but it was a sequel to. It never had the same impact, it was amazingly succesful but it was riding on the tails of a far greater movie. Not because the first was the best but because it was the first.

    THE most iconic scene in all of the Star Wars movies is when you find out that Darth Vader is Luke's father. You admit it yourself, Empire is a better movie. That doesn't imply that Episode IV is a bad movie. It is a great movie and a tremendously influential one. Every sci-fi movie since owes a debt to Star Wars. And your argument that because it was first it is "greater" doesn't hold much water. The first Star Trek movie is complete crap but the second movie is widely acknowledged to be a terrific film.

    As for all the hating on Ewoks, that just become a meme for people to scared of getting beat up by nerds if they dish Star Wars to hate on something popular.

    Or if we go with an actually logical and simple answer, the reason people hate the Ewoks is because the Ewoks were a badly conceived and poorly executed plot device that simply didn't work very well. They strain one's suspension of disbelief which is really saying something in a universe where The Force exists.

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