CarPlay? Android Auto? Most People Still Just Listen to AM/FM Radio (9to5mac.com) 209
"New data suggests that what a lot of people do most often in their car is listen to AM/FM radio," writes 9to5Mac. "Yes, it's 2023, and you might think AM/FM radio is on the way out, but new data show that to not be the case for a lot of people..."
The market research company Edison Research used one-day listening diarires (for Americans older than 13) to measure the amount of time spent listening to audio — then compared results for those with and without an in-car entertainment system.
Those without an in-car entertainment system spent 67% of their time listening to AM/FM radio — with the rest listening to Sirius XM (12%), a streaming service (9%), or podcasts (4%).
But among those with an in-car entertainment system... 46% still listened to AM/FM radio. Less than a fifth listened to Sirus XM (19%), a streaming service (18%), or podcasts (7%).
The researchers' conclusion? "Even those with these systems choose AM/FM for nearly half of their in-car listening. For many people, even with so many new options, radio and the in-car environment continue to just go together."
The market research company Edison Research used one-day listening diarires (for Americans older than 13) to measure the amount of time spent listening to audio — then compared results for those with and without an in-car entertainment system.
Those without an in-car entertainment system spent 67% of their time listening to AM/FM radio — with the rest listening to Sirius XM (12%), a streaming service (9%), or podcasts (4%).
But among those with an in-car entertainment system... 46% still listened to AM/FM radio. Less than a fifth listened to Sirus XM (19%), a streaming service (18%), or podcasts (7%).
The researchers' conclusion? "Even those with these systems choose AM/FM for nearly half of their in-car listening. For many people, even with so many new options, radio and the in-car environment continue to just go together."
Not in Norway they're not (Score:5, Informative)
No replacement atenna? (Score:3)
So, they didn't wait until the DAB coverage (or, I don't know Digital Radio Mondiale ?) was finished before switching off FM (and respectively AM) Radio?
Weird.
(But my views are biased: my European country is tiny (and rich) enough so upgrading the whole coverage didn't have that many hiccups. Things might be different in a country were "knocking on the neighbor's door to ask for a bit of salt" includes "walking 30km in the snow to that neighbor".)
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Re:No replacement atenna? (Score:5, Funny)
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Yep. Talk about wishful thinking.
"We'll destroy radio and replace it with yet another subscription!"
This shows that these people with their heads shoved up their ass were brain-dead BEFORE asphyxiating.
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There's a coverage map here: https://radio.no/dekning/ [radio.no]
That suggests that you should be able to get the NRK channels almost everywhere in a car with reasonable antenna, including in many tunnels. The situation for commercial radio is a lot worse, but those still broadcast on FM as I understand it.
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Re: No replacement atenna? (Score:2)
This is basically introducing a use case for shortwave, which is crazy in this century.
Re: No replacement atenna? (Score:2)
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> I only ever swap over to bluetooth and stream from my phone when FM radio drops out
I presume that s from downloaded files? Certainly in the UK if you have lost FM coverage you have no chance in hell connecting to the mobile network lol.
> Dab exists but its expensive
The radios are not too expensive here but the good looking ones certainly are. Plus it is expensive for the stations too. It's way cheaper for them to be on FM or even AM. In fact on FM they can have a dirt cheap license for local broadcasts only, the local college has run an FM station here for years and only now are they considering local DAB.
In most parts of the U.S. you may lose local radio station reception if you are on a long trip, but if you stick to the interstates most cell carriers deploy a lot of their towers along said interstates, so you USUALLY stay within cell service (depending on the carrier). Once you go off into the sticks for camping or sightseeing down some lonely country road in the middle of BFE, all bets are off.
Re: No replacement atenna? (Score:2)
And >80% percent of the population live within 50km of the coastline.
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I only ever swap over to bluetooth and stream from my phone when FM radio drops out
I presume that s from downloaded files? Certainly in the UK if you have lost FM coverage you have no chance in hell connecting to the mobile network lol.
Australia is allegedly a 1st world country but coverage is generally abysmal. If you're not within 50km of a metropolitan area or 20km of a class 1 highway then you can forget about FM radio, mobile coverage... or landline telephones, council water and sewerage and even mostly electricity.
I have heard to going cross-country thru the Outback is like going on a safari, you have to pack supplies, tools, etc in case you break down (which can be a deadly proposition). Most major highways in the States have truck stops or roadside convenience stores scattered alongside pretty frequently with the exception of the desert southwest (Death Valley, Mojave Desert, etc).
DAB and cable (Score:2)
I find it interesting that your country has actually started using it on MW?
Oh sorry, I didn't mean that Switzerland went for DRM as an AM replacement. Just that this is a possible replacement.
In the case of Switzerland, the country jumped to DAB+ very early, and thus switched to stronger compression and thus can compress more audio streams in the same bitrate. The type of "smaller" radio that you would have found on AM or on very local FM emitters are now crammed as additional low bitrate mono streams thanks to the additional space afforded by DAB+.
(as a counter example: see UK be
Re:No replacement atenna? (Score:4, Funny)
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In the UK 95% of "music" played on the radio is the exact same list of tired, bland crap that's been endlessly played since the 1970's/1980's. I was in my dentists waiting room last week and couldn't believe how old, and bloody awful, the songs were they were playing on whatever station it was tuned to.
With the loss of the late, great John Peel show there are simply no music stations worth listening to in the UK. There are some good talk shows but the music is just utterly dire. Every station seems to u
Re: Not in Norway they're not (Score:2)
Bear in mind it's not the fault of DAB per se that a lot of stations are in mono, the skinflint accounts depts of the radio stations wont cough up for a decent bitrate. MP2 DAB was designed with a MINIMUM of 192kbs in mind, nit the 128 the BBC run at and the double digit artifact ridden rubbish the commercial world uses. So they switched to DAB+. Did they keep the same bit rate? Of course not, they reduced it down so much - 24kbs in some cases - that it sounds as bad as old DAB. But hey, money saved from th
Re: Not in Norway they're not (Score:2)
Theres this thing called speech radio. It's like a podcast but live and you can often phone in and get on air to give your views. Incredible eh?
Not all radio is music. HTH.
Local advantage (Score:5, Interesting)
You can't do that over Internet radio.
And anyway, Internet Radio is a pain in the ass if you are not looking for anything in particular: plenty of apps to install, bluetooth headaches, apps to manage while driving to juggle between Live, Delayed, Library, Podcasts, etc...
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What do people use for nav in the US? (Score:5, Informative)
Here in the UK, the reason for CarPlay and Android Auto being popular is that they are better for navigation than the car's built-in systems. So that's the main use case. Listening to stuff is secondary.
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Sounds like the two things are conflated. Yes I use Android Carplay, and yes I listen to DAB+ radio while navigating with Carplay. Too many ads on Spotify, too poor value to pay for a subscription.
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*Android Auto. Sorry have iPhone on the mind.
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Weird, I wonder if Tesla subsidizes Spotify. Because I neither pay for a subscription, nor have ads.
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I'm in Europe. We get Spotify, not Slacker.
And no, I'm not.
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I find the combination of the ads and the DJs much more annoying than ads on Spotify. But I also just pay for a spotify subscription as I find it to be worth it.
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Here in the UK, the reason for CarPlay and Android Auto being popular is that they are better for navigation than the car's built-in systems. So that's the main use case. Listening to stuff is secondary.
It's the same in the US, really. I think most people who use navigation at all use either Waze or Google Maps (even iPhone owners), with a much smaller number using Apple's Maps.
But it does seem pretty obvious those people (like me) are in the minority. What's funny is, if you're in rapidly building traffic, you can tell who the people are that are on Waze or whatever - because you'll see a handful of cars all head in a new direction at more or less the same time.
I will say when I'm using Waze, I'm almost c
Re: What do people use for nav in the US? (Score:2)
Google maps on the phone itself.
When I'm streaming, or playing MP3s or podcasts, I'm using the phone itself too, via Bluetooth to the head unit.
In just about all cases, the phone has a better UI than the dumb JBL/Toyota head unit, and Toyota wants money to update it's maps with - get this - an SD card.
Nope.
The head unit and sound system sound pretty OK - though it's not going to win any dipshit rap-thunderbox contests - but the 2017 UI is a pitiful design, and I'm not inclined to try and use my phone throug
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That's not saying anything great about CarPlay and Android Auto, but rather how terrible most automakers' inbuilt nav systems are :
Tesla's nav system is nice, but I've been in some just awful ones whose manufacturers should feel embarrassed.
I'm really shocked by these numbers, though. Why would you prefer radio over, say, Spotify?
Re: What do people use for nav in the US? (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh, WHOLE different question. I detest Spotify, and all kinds of algo-served programming.
1: I have 20,000 MP3s of MY tastes on my phone if I want that.
2: I can play what I want, without ads.
3: if I want programmed music, the human curators at Radio Paradise and KCRW do a much better job than any algorithm can.
4: Spotify is dead, canned music (as are my MP3s, no question). If I want to know what's happening NOW, radio, left of the dial, please.
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I was going to add something similar.
I haven't listened to radio in the car for 25+ years. I listen to MP3. No streaming, no sat. No commercials (I can't STAND commercials, never could). No fees. Prior to that, my own CD's in a multichanger.
So nobody does that now? Or is that the few missing percent? Or is the missing percent people who listen to nothing?
Re:What do people use for nav in the US? (Score:5, Insightful)
Not just better, but free. You have to pay for map updates for the built in navigation in most cars, and many require a subscription service for things like like traffic information. You get all that for free on your phone.
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Not even mentioning the software on the in-car nav system sucking in comparison to the stuff on the phone.
Part of it is the liability-reducing limitations on the in-car systems. They cover the company's ass nicely but they are user-hostile.
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I've noticed that some are finally getting decently responsive though. No more dragging the map and a second later it starts to move. Some manufacturers use decently high resolution displays too.
Of course I still just want them to show Android Auto.
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The navigator build in to my Nissan is OK but the past year I've had two occasions where I pulled out the old TomTom for more correct navigation.
I have used streaming via the phone but because I'm a frugal phone user my cheap contract has a 10 GB limit on data, I do not consider it as a replacement for radio.
Therefore virtually all my radio
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Our car's implementation is so utterly terrible that I don't pair my phone with the car any more. Too often it'd pair to the car (so the phone would be silent) while the car's "media" was off, so I wouldn't hear anything at all. If you get that sorted out, then you'd find that the radio would somehow overrule the phone, so you wouldn't get maps prompts, or else the phone would override the radio so you'd get silence apart from the maps prompts. Just waaay too much hassle trying to get all that right with th
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Here in the UK, the reason for CarPlay and Android Auto being popular is that they are better for navigation than the car's built-in systems. So that's the main use case. Listening to stuff is secondary.
Pretty much this. Google maps is far superior to any other nav system in the UK. So most people use their phones for navigation so the use case of these systems pretty much comes down to screen and audio mirroring.
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Listening to the radio in the car is for me the current traffic info while commuting.
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Car geek here, and citation needed. I want to hear about all this 'clamor'.
Re: What do people use for nav in the US? (Score:2)
It's a thing for vws but that's about it afaik. A bunch of vw and Audi models came with better infotainment in Europe.
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Old skool ftw. But obvs when one uses CarPlay, one uses it via the car's own screen, which is bigger than a TomTom screen. To each their own, tho
I often listen to streams of FM-stations (Score:2)
Spotify integration, please. (Score:2)
All I really need is a direct, no-middleman-services access to Spotify. That's it. All other software can go F itself.
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I tried using Spotify a few years ago. I asked it to play something and it played me that then instead of continuing to play the specific band I had asked for it went all loopy and played me something else that had a similar name. So I considered it broken.
Did they fix that? I assumed it was a feature you had to pay for, to actually listen to what you want and not random stuff that you could simply listen to over FM!
My understanding is that the music licensing costs for internet radio streaming are lower than on-demand streaming, and that the Spotify free service counts as internet radio, which is why they do it like that,
Indeed (Score:2, Insightful)
Most people don't even know how to connect their phone to the hands-free system of their car.
That why half the drivers have one hand to their ear.
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I suspect that's a big part of it. Even today with people who have grown up with tech a large portion of the populace just isn't very tech literate. Even if they are its often focused onto a specific component and they don't really think in a way that lends itself to thinking outside of the box.
Think about in the 1980's how many VCR's were always blinking 12:00 because the owner didn't know how to set the time. Oh and even back then you could typically schedule a recording on VCR's . . . except almost no
"OK, Boomer" is appropriate here for once (Score:4, Insightful)
In 2021, the average car owner in the USA was between 55 and 64 years old.
https://www.statista.com/stati... [statista.com]
The age graph looks like a slightly skewed normal distribution, so about a little less than half of car owners could even be older than that.
It is pretty much the Boomer generation and older who are most of the car owners today. It is not surprising that they do not listen to streaming music but AM/FM radio.
There's probably a handful of guys here clamoring for AM radio, but the "convention of American AM radio listeners under 40" is probably the smallest event ever.-
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Obviously I could stream that, but then I'm using the data on phone.
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Re:"OK, Boomer" is appropriate here for once (Score:5, Insightful)
In 2021, the average car owner in the USA was between 55 and 64 years old.
Given the paywall, I wasn't able to check their source (an interesting thing to make citation a premium feature). However I was able to find a number of other reports that I think show that data to not mean what you think it means:
https://www.thezebra.com/resou... [thezebra.com]
https://www.federalreserve.gov... [federalreserve.gov]
https://hedgescompany.com/blog... [hedgescompany.com]
In short, the data suggests that the average *new car buyer* was between 55 and 64. So it does not speak to ownership, but who is willing and able to pony up the cash for the average $48k new car. It does not include:
-Used car purchasers
-Cars passed down from older family members to younger family members
So we have that nowadays the average 0-year car is in the hands of a 55-64 year old. But what is the average age of a car on the road? Currently about 12.5 years. So the data tells us nothing about the vast vast majority of cars on the road, so old as to make the average 12.5 years.
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Not discounting the data completely, but remember that car owners doesn't always mean car drivers. My first 2 cars (the second of which I had until I was 25) were technically owned by my parents, even though I was the sole driver. This is pretty often the case that a young person is bought a car but the title is still technically in the name of their parents until they're old enough to purchase a car on their own.
AM radio (Score:2)
It's pretty much dead on the East Coast. The amount of interference is not to be believed. I remember it working a lot better 30+ years ago. I am personally of the opinion of rail caternary towers being one of the biggest issues, but I don't doubt there are others.
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Well, for one, the data is likely incorrect for the title, similar sources for data presents that average age as the average age of a purchaser of a new car in a given year. Also note that the average purchase price of a new car is $48k. So the data is telling us that older folks are the ones paying an average of $48k for the privilege of having a brand new car in a year. Younger people that are not contributing maybe buy a new car every 8 years versus 4 years for a richer person, or buy used, or got the
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I don't think a statistic titled "U.S. car owners as of 2021, by age group" talks about BUYING cars instead of OWNING them.
Unless you present a valid source for WHY the title says something totally different to the actual data there, it's a wrong claim from you.
Who are these people? (Score:3)
I listened to CDs in my car from 1999 to 2009... then iPod/iPhone from then on (first with aux cable, then via stereo that could read the iPod/iPhone library, then CarPlay). And of all the friends Ive had in my cars over the years, Ive had people want to hook up their iPod or iPhone... but never once has anyone ever wanted to turn on the radio.
Why would I want to listen to music thats been chosen for me? The music on the radio has been awful on any available station for as long as I can remember.
Re:Who are these people? (Score:4, Informative)
Well, you have:
-Talk radio. Half the time I'm taking my drive to let NPR catch me up on some information. It's right there, easy, and the sponsorship is hardly intrusive (well, apart from their funding drives). Sure I *could* use an app to stream NPR stories, but it's not any better and the NPR station tends to mix in more locally relevant stories into the feed without me having to peruse. Sometimes at a key time a local news station takes over a radio station and that's pretty good too.
-I don't *care* but I want some music. Particularly with passengers, a radio station is neutral territory where we don't have to discuss my particular taste in music, it just is some inoffensive 'muzak' station to fill the air. I'm not choosing the songs or anything, and that's some decent laziness.
-New music discovery. Ok, this one is like finding a needle in a haystack, but all my music collection and the streaming services tend to play for me what I've already heard. Streaming services *can* do some music discovery, but the algorithms seem to want to me re-listen to stuff I've heard rather than expose me to new stuff. However the radio rarely plays something I'd really want to revisit, and it often replays the same stuff too, but I hear unfamiliar songs a bit more often on radio than I do otherwise (the bar is very low, *nothing* seems particularly geared toward new songs).
If I've hopped through the presets and am tired of what's happening, then it's off to my music collection.
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Why would I want to listen to music thats been chosen for me?
That's funny, this is one of the reasons I like radio. I listen to music a lot at home and in the car and while I listen to my own play lists at home in the car I prefer radio as it bring variety. By choosing the station I choose the theme and I get fed a raft of artists and subgenres I don't regularly listen to. That does mean that I sometimes get stuff I don't like but changing stations is easy.
It all boils down to convenience. (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are much more hassle compared to that. You have too many things to set, to many playlists to choose from, to much fiddling and tuning until it actually runs. And for that, you have to be actually interested in what plays in your car, you have your attention diverted from actually driving your car, which is not a good thing to begin with.
If I am driving through places where my preferred stations are not available, I just switch the car entertainment off. No reason to invest brainpower into something which is just there to play over the car noises.
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On Android most apps allow you to resume playback when connected to a Bluetooth device, so you can queue up some playlists in advance and they just start playing where you left off next time you get into the car
You can also set Google Maps to automatically open and show your saved destinations, so with one or two taps before setting off you can have live traffic info on your commute. Even if you don't use that, if Google Now has access to your work address saved in Google Maps, it will notify you before you
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"Your AM/FM radio just starts when starting the car, "
I've noticed that bug on my Chevy. The radio sometimes turns on when starting the car even if it turned off when you parked.
It's right up there with don't look at the screen while you are driving warning that comes on while you are driving.
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I think BMW must have a superior apple CarPlay implementation. Everyone I know has all these issues with it. Mine just works. I get in the car it shows up, resumes playing whatever it was last playing.
I use voice controls to change tracks/stations/etc. Calls, texts, navigation are all flawless and show up on my windshield HUD. It's the perfect system for me.
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Even my previous car (so, ten years ago now) would automatically reconnect to the bluetooth phone it was last connected with on start if that phone was available. My current car is just slightly quicker on the audio starting playing.
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I for instance don't have any playlists on my phone to begin with, as I don't use my phone to listen to music.
The sound of silence (Score:2)
measure the amount of time spent listening to audio
And what proportion chose not to listen to anything at all?
Personally, I find that far more relaxing than the constant jabber of presenters, advertisers and "guests". On the rare occasions I do want some music - whether in the car or elsewhere - I listen to a station / stream that has just that: music.
I still mostly listen to FM/Classic Rock (Score:2)
AM radio (Score:2)
AM radio doesn't really exist outside USA.
I remember my dad showing that we can listen to BBC from UK using an ancient receiver with AM, that was 35 years ago but BBC stopped that broadcast in 2008.
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My solution (Score:2)
Am I the only one loading up a flash drive and plugging it in to the USB port?
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My iPod nano still works. I use it on longer trips, FM radio on shorter trips, at least until I'm out of range.
Sirius is seriously crap. (Score:2)
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Sirius XM never really took off outside the USA ...
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Particularly with HD-Radio being a thing.
The Sirius-XM codec has terrible artifacts. I'm even a person that doesn't see problems with 128kpbs mp3, and even used to listen to 64kpbs mp3 without *much* complaint. But the Sirius-XM codec drives me up the wall at times.
Just Bluetooth Audio (Score:2)
I have tried both CarPlay and AndroidAuto just about once each - Honestly doesn't give me anything I want so I just use my built in nav system which I like better (I live in an area with sketchy cell data reception ... where you want fully on board maps in your GPS ... and I just use the bluetooth audo and play from my phone ...
I know some like those car apps so they aren't fiddling with phones but I generally set my phone on a playlist or podcast and go without fussing with it.
I find both CarPlay and Andro
In the UK - DAB .... (Score:2)
DAB Radio has better coverage than FM, I think there are still FM Stations... and might be other analog but haven't needed to find out for so long ...
I won't byy a car without Android Auto (Score:2)
That's the best way to have google maps I just change my car and I didn't get a Tesla Y but à Ford Mach-e just for that
Android Auto has nothing to do with audio?!? (Score:2)
While commuting 55 miles to DC and back (Score:2)
WTF - Commercials?! (Score:2)
I don't get it. I have eschewed broadcast radio since the aux port came out on most cars. How can these people tolerate all the advertising?
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Advertising (Score:2)
I never could stand all the obnoxious advertisements on AM/FM radio. Following closely behind is "personalities" -- disc jockeys who think they have to be funny or inject themselves over the music. Just STFU and play the music!
I just loaded my phone up with music -- 64128 Gb of storage is a LOT of audio -- and let the Bluetooth connection resume playing. On long trips I'll load up on podcasts and switch between them.
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I listen to local NPR stations and classical music stations on FM when in the car. They have few ads (except when doing a pledge drive to raise money), and the ads they do have are low key, so I don't have that problem. Even the old album rock station I occasionally listen to has few ads than most stations, though those still can be obnoxious.
Radio broadcaster funded researcher shows that.. (Score:3)
Re: Radio broadcaster funded researcher shows that (Score:2)
Mod this up! Biased research is biased.
I don't know many that listen to radio anymore, and I'm Gen X. It's mostly podcasts when in the car for my wife and I, even with the kids (thereâ(TM)s some great BBC podcasts on cybercrimes, and they love them).
Android Head Unit (Score:2)
My head unit actually runs Android native. So, while I have my phone on in the car and sharing its mobile data connection, I don't use Android Auto at all. I run all of my Android apps natively on the head unit. Mostly I listen to my music library through PlexAmp. Occasionally, I'll pull up YouTube.
Streaming and BT Audio Only. (Score:3)
Wrong.. I think Most of us use Spotify (Score:3)
Serioulsy? People turn on the radio? (Score:2)
The only time I EVER turn on the radio in the car is to listen to those highway info AM stations, and only when the light-up signs let me know I might want to.
FM is worthless dreck. AM other than highway info is even worse. And I just had a free trial of satellite radio a few months ago, they gave it to me because I had a recall on my car and so took it to the dealer. It was useless, I wasn't gonna pay for that crap.
I've got music and podcasts on my phone. Before that I had an iPod, before that CDs, and
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HD Radio for me (Score:3)
My car came equipped with HD radio. For those that haven't used it, HD radio is basically a digital form of the traditional analog FM radio broadcasts. A lot of the FM stations where I live have an HD equivalent that they broadcast.
Not only is the sound quality noticeably better than analog FM, it's free.
I will stream music through my phone on occasion but I find that I will drive through dead zones where the signal drops. I don't find that with HD radio.
You can stream music stored locally on your phone, to get around the dead zones, but you miss out on new music that you might not hear otherwise.
Yup (Score:2)
If I'm going for a short drive like doing chores or whatnot, I just leave the radio on. Connecting my phone is such a hassle that I save it for longer trips.
silence is golden (Score:3)
I gave up on any radio looooong ago. On long road trips, maybe a little radio, and a lot of music from my phone collection. Short trips: silence. So much more pleasant.
Really? (Score:3)
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Everything you said is correct and entirely non-sequitur to what is being discussed. No people are not preferring AM/FM radio while driving because they are worried an em pulse will knock out their Carplay.
which is why I often lean on the sceptical side when old tech is being decomissioned without any backup plan.
There's no reason not to decommission the old stuff. As you said it's simple, and if we are ever in a crisis it is easy and quick to setup and get going. You can see that in places like Haiti which had virtually zero amateur radio prior to the massive disasters a decade ago, and then within a week had a f
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Now if only there was something worth listening to. Radio stations haven’t updated their top 40 playlists in decades.
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The successful transition from analog TV to digital TV shows how a transition of technology *should have been* done.
1. No signal coverage degradation
2. No audio/video quality degradation
3. No missing channels that can only be enjoyed through old technology
The digital radio transition worldwide fails in all these 3 aspects. Then they wonder why people are still listening to AM/FM. Of course people are still listening to AM/FM. What the hell are they thinking that people will want "more" channels in the
Re: Yeah, that tracks (Score:2)
The west coast clear channel station that shares its frequency with east coast clear channel WGY, Schenectady NY.
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