Star was has been ridden to death, then some, and then some more, until only bloody goop was ground across the floor. By Jar Jar Abrams nonetheless, who never managed to tie any story together at the end in his life.
All trying to ride on the former glory of movies barely anyone who watches them even knows anymore. Fan fiction level space opera, written by a teenager who thought he got sci-fi because he put a knights and magic" fantasy story in the "future^Wpast.
The first two and a half movies were fun when I was a kid, but that's about it. They appear silly now.
I watch them now and think: in Episode 4 in the opening, they knew they were being chased and couldn't outrun the Star Destroyer, and apparently they also knew where the Empire would enter the ship. Why not set up barricades in the corridor instead of lining up like targets? And in ESB, why did the ground troops defending the base all decide to get out of the trenches and start running towards! the Imperials? And let's not even get started on the battle on Endor in RotJ. No camouflage, and let's all st
I watch them now and think: in Episode 4 in the opening, they knew they were being chased and couldn't outrun the Star Destroyer, and apparently they also knew where the Empire would enter the ship. Why not set up barricades in the corridor instead of lining up like targets? And in ESB, why did the ground troops defending the base all decide to get out of the trenches and start running towards! the Imperials? And let's not even get started on the battle on Endor in RotJ. No camouflage, and let's all stand in parade formation in a clearing when springing a trap? Has no one heard of perimeter security?
That was the nice thing about Rogue One: it finally seemed like characters there actually had some common sense regarding combat. I almost had a heart attack when I saw an actual, planned and executed ambush. Finally some tactics!
This. Exactly this.
Exactly none of the main-sequence Star Wars movies display the slightest grasp of military science. Nor do any of the animated spin-off series. All the battles are like those of Illiad:mobs of individual heroes rushing full-tilt at one another to engage in single combat.
Obviously, that's because the people who've been writing these things are, each and every one, confirmed civilians scribbling action scenes, not ex-military-command-officers with extensive combat and combat-planning experience to draw on. Nor, it appears to me, has any of them read even cursorily in the field, much less studied it.
Again, obviously, no one with any authority at Disney or Lucasfilm gives much of a rat's ass about the profound absence of any kind of believeably-trained and -experienced military leadership in their movies. Lucas clearly did not, so why should his bean-counting successors. Hell, Lucas himself explicitly stated he was making Star Wars movies for 12-year-olds - and the ones who don't play hex-grid-based simulation games (which probably means "most of them") don't appear to much care about tactical or strategic military credibility, either.
But, yeah, that's the primary reason I stopped watching the various Lucasfilm animated series (that and the often-mediocre storytelling for which they settle). They violate the implied contract of willing suspension of disbelief on the part of the audience in exchange for the story transporting them to another world that is the very foundation of any narrative fiction when they tell the audience something that it knows is utterly wrong. Making professional military personnel (in the case of the clone army, soldiers literally bred to the task) do utterly foolish and counterproductive things merely to move the plot in the direction the writers want it to go, pitches audience members who actually know a thing or two about tactics and strategy right out of the story.
From my perspective, that's as poor a choice as a writer - or a roomful of writers - can make. Deliberately choosing to alienate a portion of your audience simply because you
The clone army isn't made up of professional military personnel bred to the task. It's a whole bunch of speed-grown copies of a bounty hunter, all less than ten years old, programmed by civilians in a galaxy that hasn't had an army for generations, led by amateurs (Jedi "generals").
Where, exactly, do they get any grasp of military science?
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Seriously, who cares? (Score:3, Insightful)
Star was has been ridden to death, then some, and then some more, until only bloody goop was ground across the floor. By Jar Jar Abrams nonetheless, who never managed to tie any story together at the end in his life.
All trying to ride on the former glory of movies barely anyone who watches them even knows anymore. Fan fiction level space opera, written by a teenager who thought he got sci-fi because he put a knights and magic" fantasy story in the "future^Wpast.
The first two and a half movies were fun when
Re: (Score:5, Interesting)
The first two and a half movies were fun when I was a kid, but that's about it. They appear silly now.
I watch them now and think: in Episode 4 in the opening, they knew they were being chased and couldn't outrun the Star Destroyer, and apparently they also knew where the Empire would enter the ship. Why not set up barricades in the corridor instead of lining up like targets? And in ESB, why did the ground troops defending the base all decide to get out of the trenches and start running towards! the Imperials? And let's not even get started on the battle on Endor in RotJ. No camouflage, and let's all st
Re:Seriously, who cares? (Score:2)
Nidi62 mused:
I watch them now and think: in Episode 4 in the opening, they knew they were being chased and couldn't outrun the Star Destroyer, and apparently they also knew where the Empire would enter the ship. Why not set up barricades in the corridor instead of lining up like targets? And in ESB, why did the ground troops defending the base all decide to get out of the trenches and start running towards! the Imperials? And let's not even get started on the battle on Endor in RotJ. No camouflage, and let's all stand in parade formation in a clearing when springing a trap? Has no one heard of perimeter security?
That was the nice thing about Rogue One: it finally seemed like characters there actually had some common sense regarding combat. I almost had a heart attack when I saw an actual, planned and executed ambush. Finally some tactics!
This. Exactly this.
Exactly none of the main-sequence Star Wars movies display the slightest grasp of military science. Nor do any of the animated spin-off series. All the battles are like those of Illiad:mobs of individual heroes rushing full-tilt at one another to engage in single combat.
Obviously, that's because the people who've been writing these things are, each and every one, confirmed civilians scribbling action scenes, not ex-military-command-officers with extensive combat and combat-planning experience to draw on. Nor, it appears to me, has any of them read even cursorily in the field, much less studied it.
Again, obviously, no one with any authority at Disney or Lucasfilm gives much of a rat's ass about the profound absence of any kind of believeably-trained and -experienced military leadership in their movies. Lucas clearly did not, so why should his bean-counting successors. Hell, Lucas himself explicitly stated he was making Star Wars movies for 12-year-olds - and the ones who don't play hex-grid-based simulation games (which probably means "most of them") don't appear to much care about tactical or strategic military credibility, either.
But, yeah, that's the primary reason I stopped watching the various Lucasfilm animated series (that and the often-mediocre storytelling for which they settle). They violate the implied contract of willing suspension of disbelief on the part of the audience in exchange for the story transporting them to another world that is the very foundation of any narrative fiction when they tell the audience something that it knows is utterly wrong. Making professional military personnel (in the case of the clone army, soldiers literally bred to the task) do utterly foolish and counterproductive things merely to move the plot in the direction the writers want it to go, pitches audience members who actually know a thing or two about tactics and strategy right out of the story.
From my perspective, that's as poor a choice as a writer - or a roomful of writers - can make. Deliberately choosing to alienate a portion of your audience simply because you
Re: (Score:2)
The clone army isn't made up of professional military personnel bred to the task. It's a whole bunch of speed-grown copies of a bounty hunter, all less than ten years old, programmed by civilians in a galaxy that hasn't had an army for generations, led by amateurs (Jedi "generals").
Where, exactly, do they get any grasp of military science?