The FSF? The foundation run by the pedophile supporter?
I mean, if I found out my friend was going behind their employer's back to work with a well known pedophile, or that my friend was going to the pedophile mansion repeatedly, my reaction wouldn't be to discuss how "sexual assault" was too harsh a term, because "assault" sounds like physical violence, and this was just a case of children being transported across state lines for a pedophilia ring.
First, Richard M. Stallman resigned as head of the FSF. Second, he never supported pedophilia. Stallman commented on a possible interaction between a prostitute who was an alleged victim of Epstein who wrote a tell-all book decades later, one that her own attorneys describe as "fictionalized" and claimed to have slept with Marvin Minskey, one of the leading AI scientists of the world and someone RMS had met on many occasions. Asked about the accuation:
Stallman argued that "the most plausible scenario" is that "she presented herself to him as entirely willing"
The accuser was 17 at the time of the alleged sex with Marvin Minsky, among the other dozens of clients she claims to have serviced for Mr. Epstein while working as a "masseuse" in his mansion. While a 70 year old man like Marvin Minsky engaging in sex with a 17 year old prostitute is considered loathsome by many, there seems no evidence that it happened. Minsky's wife was reent with him on the island and vehemently claims it never happened. And while 17 is below the age of consent in the Virgin Islands, there is no suggestion that Mr. Stallman ever did or encouraged anything of the kind himself.
Actually yes he did (though he stopped). As with most Stallmanisms it's a bit somewhat more nuanced than many people realise. He was critical of the idea that there's a magic moral consent switch that flips at whatever the local age of consent happens to be (a fair point) and tried to draw logical conclusions from that. However he failed to take reality into account with his logic and on consulting with some specialists he realised his conclusions with respect to child
_Lawrence Lessig_ defended the Media Lab laundering the gifts from Epstein. Richard M. Stallman is one of the most sanctimonious people in software, he would in fact criticize people for taking money from criminal and especially from a slave holder and rapist like Mr. Epstein was believably accused of.
Stallman did great things for free software. Some of what he did, you'd have to be crazy to even try it. He tried it and succeeded. You'd have to be crazy to even try - he tried because he is a little crazy.
Like any human, there are good and bad things about Stallman. He has, one more than one occasion, said some pretty off-the-wall stuff about sex with teenage girls. Like "everybody over the age of 14 should be having sex", for example. He believes it should be legal for him to have sex with 14 year
Stallman did great things for free software. Some of what he did, you'd have to be crazy to even try it. He tried it and succeeded. You'd have to be crazy to even try - he tried because he is a little crazy.
I think this is a point most people miss. No one who is both sane and nice is going to dedicate their life to a cause. Its hypocritical to like the cause but dislike precisely the type of people who are the only ones who would create the cause in the first place.
Hypocritical is pretending to believe something that you don't actually believe.
Ignoring someone's faults and defending inappropriate behavior because you like the way they throw a ball or write a license is called being a fanboi, or "fan" for short.
Stallman's work on Gnu is orthogonal to his beliefs about and advocacy of sexually exploiting minors. They two very separate things. One can appreciate his work in one area and find his position on the other abhorrent without being inconsistent.
Ultimately Richard Stallman wasn't knocking on doors or doing front line work for the FSF. His primary role was to be a spokesman for the FSF, and he was something of a relic/joke even before he came out supporting pedophilia.
Hey bill (Score:2)
How about a donation to the FSF? Or EFF?
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The FSF? The foundation run by the pedophile supporter?
I mean, if I found out my friend was going behind their employer's back to work with a well known pedophile, or that my friend was going to the pedophile mansion repeatedly, my reaction wouldn't be to discuss how "sexual assault" was too harsh a term, because "assault" sounds like physical violence, and this was just a case of children being transported across state lines for a pedophilia ring.
But maybe that's just me.
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The FSF? The foundation run by the pedophile supporter?
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But maybe that's just me.
yup, that's just you and people like you, don't worry, we don't take you seriously either
Re:Hey bill (Score:4, Informative)
First, Richard M. Stallman resigned as head of the FSF. Second, he never supported pedophilia. Stallman commented on a possible interaction between a prostitute who was an alleged victim of Epstein who wrote a tell-all book decades later, one that her own attorneys describe as "fictionalized" and claimed to have slept with Marvin Minskey, one of the leading AI scientists of the world and someone RMS had met on many occasions. Asked about the accuation:
Stallman argued that "the most plausible scenario" is that "she presented herself to him as entirely willing"
The accuser was 17 at the time of the alleged sex with Marvin Minsky, among the other dozens of clients she claims to have serviced for Mr. Epstein while working as a "masseuse" in his mansion. While a 70 year old man like Marvin Minsky engaging in sex with a 17 year old prostitute is considered loathsome by many, there seems no evidence that it happened. Minsky's wife was reent with him on the island and vehemently claims it never happened. And while 17 is below the age of consent in the Virgin Islands, there is no suggestion that Mr. Stallman ever did or encouraged anything of the kind himself.
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Second, he never supported pedophilia.
Actually yes he did (though he stopped). As with most Stallmanisms it's a bit somewhat more nuanced than many people realise. He was critical of the idea that there's a magic moral consent switch that flips at whatever the local age of consent happens to be (a fair point) and tried to draw logical conclusions from that. However he failed to take reality into account with his logic and on consulting with some specialists he realised his conclusions with respect to child
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_Lawrence Lessig_ defended the Media Lab laundering the gifts from Epstein. Richard M. Stallman is one of the most sanctimonious people in software, he would in fact criticize people for taking money from criminal and especially from a slave holder and rapist like Mr. Epstein was believably accused of.
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Stallman did great things for free software. Some of what he did, you'd have to be crazy to even try it. He tried it and succeeded. You'd have to be crazy to even try - he tried because he is a little crazy.
Like any human, there are good and bad things about Stallman. He has, one more than one occasion, said some pretty off-the-wall stuff about sex with teenage girls. Like "everybody over the age of 14 should be having sex", for example. He believes it should be legal for him to have sex with 14 year
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Stallman did great things for free software. Some of what he did, you'd have to be crazy to even try it. He tried it and succeeded. You'd have to be crazy to even try - he tried because he is a little crazy.
I think this is a point most people miss. No one who is both sane and nice is going to dedicate their life to a cause. Its hypocritical to like the cause but dislike precisely the type of people who are the only ones who would create the cause in the first place.
Like any human, there are good and bad thi
That's called fanboi (Score:2)
Hypocritical is pretending to believe something that you don't actually believe.
Ignoring someone's faults and defending inappropriate behavior because you like the way they throw a ball or write a license is called being a fanboi, or "fan" for short.
Stallman's work on Gnu is orthogonal to his beliefs about and advocacy of sexually exploiting minors. They two very separate things. One can appreciate his work in one area and find his position on the other abhorrent without being inconsistent.
One can even dis
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Ultimately Richard Stallman wasn't knocking on doors or doing front line work for the FSF. His primary role was to be a spokesman for the FSF, and he was something of a relic/joke even before he came out supporting pedophilia.