Can we please move on from this childish non-sense?... I fundamentally don't get it.
In the last 15 years or so a very small neurotic minority has been pushing a total non-issue into common laws and claiming to speak for everyone not having a generic hetero sexuality. We have cackling dimwits going on everybody's nerves, including those of trans-people, gays, lesbians, old-school feminists and still the whole world makes a big fuss about this point- and border-less moral panic.
Not entirely sure what you are complaining about... You object to there being a trans and non-binary character on the show? Or just the news of it happening?
News for nerds. This is one frontier that Star Trek has yet to cross and crossing social frontiers is what Trek has always been about.
You object to there being a trans and non-binary character on the show?
Nope. I object to making a big deal of it like it's the Second Coming of Christ or something and serving some desperate need for recognizing non-hetero sexuality. I remember when that was a perfectly normal thing in media and nobody made a big deal of it and everybody had a laugh, because sexuality usually is displayed in a humorous context.
To be honest, I think a lot of this non-binary whatever gender noise going on appears to be a gene
To be honest, I think a lot of this non-binary whatever gender noise going on appears to be a general problem in society these days, concerning unfulfilled sexuality, identity insecurities and a general social-media-fuled desire to make a big fuss about nothing. Playing with gender and varieties thereof has always been present in art and movies. It seriously is no big deal. Including the fact that I and every other hetero male on this entire planet happens to enjoy looking at cute naked ladies. And that does not make them (or me) less worth.
People need to grown up about these things. In the US probably more so than in some other parts of the modern world.
That's what I was on about.
You're very right. We've long bent gender norms...and every time we've done it, I've been bored as shit. Remember the 80s metal hair bands? Ooohh...macho drug addict wears makeup, blouses, Farah Fawcett hair and gets laid more in one week than the rest of us can get in our lifetime...while earning a ton of money....if only I liked their music (I've always been a bigger fan of Motorhead than Motley Crue or Poison). Before that, we had lots of such stuff in theater.
I live in the belly of the progressive beast. I see non-binary people almost daily. They're not to be taken seriously. It's not like homosexuals or transgendered people who have long felt repression and are finally tasting freedom to be who they are. I respect them. They just want to live their lives like everyone else and don't seek attention. They want your acceptance, not to clash with you.
Every person I've ever seen who uses the term nonbinary to describe themselves is a narcissist. They're either conceptual artists like a few celebrities (Eddie Izzard or Genesis P Orridge) or young people compensating for a lack of personality "oooh...I'm so special your gender norms can't contain me!" Oooh, look at me, a beard, makeup, and a dress/heels....or heterosexual women who buzz their hair and get offended people just assume they're butch lesbians and complain most straight men overlook them. You've seen the same phenomena with anyone who clings to weird fashion and revels in being misunderstood....goths pretending they're vampires or satanists come to mind....also people with confrontational appearances, like wild green mohawks. It's usually just a phase
Small minds pretend this is exciting.
Those of us who have been around awhile know not to take them seriously. Some of us seek attention through positive traits...telling people who we are and what we've accomplished...others, who I don't care to be around, seek attention by telling you what they aren't "I can't be confined to your gender norms." "I reject meat and dairy...etc" "I reject your 2 party system."
The good (and bad) news is I'm getting old. I remember these people in college 20 years ago (I lived in a big city). It rarely lasts past their 20s...most give up once they hit 21 or so. Also, it's extremely rare for someone to be so confrontational in these areas, yet otherwise functioning. I remember meeting many of these people at parties early in college or grad school and almost all drop out....reality sets in and they need to change their ways if they want to earn a paycheck and have relationships.
So...I don't take narcissists seriously. I can see the world isn't changing. It's just those obnoxious 19 year olds I remember in college from parties who drop out, fail at life, and most eventually grow up. I know a bunch today on facebook. They used to be non-binary pansexals who reject ALL norms in society and spent all their time telling you what they aren't or what they don't like rather than what they do. Now they're suburban moms and dads...with a small wild streak...some unconventional clothes and decorations in their house...maybe get into community theater or a weird club, but most grow up, move to a house in the burbs, get a dull job (a lot become shitty programmers or tech writers) and become functioning adults.
The only difference today is that we have Twitter and Facebook to give them a larger audience. The world isn't changing and every 10 years or so, we'll see the pattern repeat itself. This is a non-story, a giant nothingburger...don't get excited or upset. There are much more important matters that need your attention than non-binary Star Trek characters.
Every person I've ever seen who uses the term nonbinary to describe themselves is a narcissist.
Social media has fanned more narcissistic personality disorders into raging fires than ever before in history. We're absolutely buried in self-obsessed people and make no mistake, it is a disorder. Being nonbinary isn't the disorder. The self-obsession is.
So...I don't take narcissists seriously. I can see the world isn't changing. It's just those obnoxious 19 year olds I remember in college from parties who drop out, fail at life, and most eventually grow up. I know a bunch today on facebook. They used to be non-binary pansexals who reject ALL norms in society and spent all their time telling you what they aren't or what they don't like rather than what they do. Now they're suburban moms and dads
Non-binary takes the number of potential sexual partners down to zero. What are you? You don't even know? Then I surely don't know. And so I won't fuck you. (The generic 'I' here, meaning literally everyone around them.) How do you like that? Tur
Every person I've ever seen who uses the term nonbinary to describe themselves is a narcissist.
The same was true about virtually all of the "out" homosexuals in the '50s and '60s. Psychiatrists thought that homosexuals had mental health diseases because most of the ones they knew about did have mental health diseases. Why was that?
We've since learned that it was because all the sane homosexuals knew the horrible things that were done to homosexuals at the time and kept their mouths shut. The only people who didn't keep their mouths shut were the people who couldn't keep their mouths shut because
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-- Rick Obidiah
What's the big effing deal? (Score:5, Insightful)
Can we please move on from this childish non-sense? ... I fundamentally don't get it.
In the last 15 years or so a very small neurotic minority has been pushing a total non-issue into common laws and claiming to speak for everyone not having a generic hetero sexuality. We have cackling dimwits going on everybody's nerves, including those of trans-people, gays, lesbians, old-school feminists and still the whole world makes a big fuss about this point- and border-less moral panic.
I can't wait till this nonse
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Not entirely sure what you are complaining about... You object to there being a trans and non-binary character on the show? Or just the news of it happening?
News for nerds. This is one frontier that Star Trek has yet to cross and crossing social frontiers is what Trek has always been about.
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You object to there being a trans and non-binary character on the show?
Nope. I object to making a big deal of it like it's the Second Coming of Christ or something and serving some desperate need for recognizing non-hetero sexuality. I remember when that was a perfectly normal thing in media and nobody made a big deal of it and everybody had a laugh, because sexuality usually is displayed in a humorous context.
To be honest, I think a lot of this non-binary whatever gender noise going on appears to be a gene
Even nonbinary people don't care - narcisissm (Score:5, Insightful)
To be honest, I think a lot of this non-binary whatever gender noise going on appears to be a general problem in society these days, concerning unfulfilled sexuality, identity insecurities and a general social-media-fuled desire to make a big fuss about nothing. Playing with gender and varieties thereof has always been present in art and movies. It seriously is no big deal. Including the fact that I and every other hetero male on this entire planet happens to enjoy looking at cute naked ladies. And that does not make them (or me) less worth.
People need to grown up about these things. In the US probably more so than in some other parts of the modern world.
That's what I was on about.
You're very right. We've long bent gender norms...and every time we've done it, I've been bored as shit. Remember the 80s metal hair bands? Ooohh...macho drug addict wears makeup, blouses, Farah Fawcett hair and gets laid more in one week than the rest of us can get in our lifetime...while earning a ton of money....if only I liked their music (I've always been a bigger fan of Motorhead than Motley Crue or Poison). Before that, we had lots of such stuff in theater.
I live in the belly of the progressive beast. I see non-binary people almost daily. They're not to be taken seriously. It's not like homosexuals or transgendered people who have long felt repression and are finally tasting freedom to be who they are. I respect them. They just want to live their lives like everyone else and don't seek attention. They want your acceptance, not to clash with you.
Every person I've ever seen who uses the term nonbinary to describe themselves is a narcissist. They're either conceptual artists like a few celebrities (Eddie Izzard or Genesis P Orridge) or young people compensating for a lack of personality "oooh...I'm so special your gender norms can't contain me!" Oooh, look at me, a beard, makeup, and a dress/heels....or heterosexual women who buzz their hair and get offended people just assume they're butch lesbians and complain most straight men overlook them. You've seen the same phenomena with anyone who clings to weird fashion and revels in being misunderstood....goths pretending they're vampires or satanists come to mind....also people with confrontational appearances, like wild green mohawks. It's usually just a phase
Small minds pretend this is exciting.
Those of us who have been around awhile know not to take them seriously. Some of us seek attention through positive traits...telling people who we are and what we've accomplished...others, who I don't care to be around, seek attention by telling you what they aren't "I can't be confined to your gender norms." "I reject meat and dairy...etc" "I reject your 2 party system."
The good (and bad) news is I'm getting old. I remember these people in college 20 years ago (I lived in a big city). It rarely lasts past their 20s...most give up once they hit 21 or so. Also, it's extremely rare for someone to be so confrontational in these areas, yet otherwise functioning. I remember meeting many of these people at parties early in college or grad school and almost all drop out....reality sets in and they need to change their ways if they want to earn a paycheck and have relationships.
So...I don't take narcissists seriously. I can see the world isn't changing. It's just those obnoxious 19 year olds I remember in college from parties who drop out, fail at life, and most eventually grow up. I know a bunch today on facebook. They used to be non-binary pansexals who reject ALL norms in society and spent all their time telling you what they aren't or what they don't like rather than what they do. Now they're suburban moms and dads...with a small wild streak...some unconventional clothes and decorations in their house...maybe get into community theater or a weird club, but most grow up, move to a house in the burbs, get a dull job (a lot become shitty programmers or tech writers) and become functioning adults.
The only difference today is that we have Twitter and Facebook to give them a larger audience. The world isn't changing and every 10 years or so, we'll see the pattern repeat itself. This is a non-story, a giant nothingburger...don't get excited or upset. There are much more important matters that need your attention than non-binary Star Trek characters.
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At least they aren't introducing Otaku-kin characters yet.....
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Every person I've ever seen who uses the term nonbinary to describe themselves is a narcissist.
Social media has fanned more narcissistic personality disorders into raging fires than ever before in history. We're absolutely buried in self-obsessed people and make no mistake, it is a disorder. Being nonbinary isn't the disorder. The self-obsession is.
So...I don't take narcissists seriously. I can see the world isn't changing. It's just those obnoxious 19 year olds I remember in college from parties who drop out, fail at life, and most eventually grow up. I know a bunch today on facebook. They used to be non-binary pansexals who reject ALL norms in society and spent all their time telling you what they aren't or what they don't like rather than what they do. Now they're suburban moms and dads
Non-binary takes the number of potential sexual partners down to zero. What are you? You don't even know? Then I surely don't know. And so I won't fuck you. (The generic 'I' here, meaning literally everyone around them.) How do you like that? Tur
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It's not like homosexuals or transgendered people who have long felt repression and are finally tasting freedom to be who they are. I respect them.
I do not. It's abnormality put on a flag. There are million ways people can be abnormal. I am abnormal.
Instead of putting my abnormalities on a flag I learned to live with them without declaring them "normal" and demanding people respect them.
I hide them, I compensate for them
That's what responsible member of society does.
The problem with modern first world is
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Every person I've ever seen who uses the term nonbinary to describe themselves is a narcissist.
The same was true about virtually all of the "out" homosexuals in the '50s and '60s. Psychiatrists thought that homosexuals had mental health diseases because most of the ones they knew about did have mental health diseases. Why was that?
We've since learned that it was because all the sane homosexuals knew the horrible things that were done to homosexuals at the time and kept their mouths shut. The only people who didn't keep their mouths shut were the people who couldn't keep their mouths shut because