This person says that "jews were beaten (and avoided, ratted out) by their neighbours" and all of a sudden that's an anti-semitic statement? Just for the record - Jews were also hidden and saved by their neighbours. But the first statement is in no way anti-semitic, it rightly points out that it wasn't just the government who hated on Jews, it was the ordinary citizens who picked up on the hate, too. In fact ordinary citizens were instrumental in spreading the hate.
Really, it's not this post that's the issue - it's only bad within the context of her other posts, because she's comparing being a republican in 2021 with being a Jew in 1940s Germany, which is one hell of a stretch. But even so, reading this particular post as anti-semitic, even in the larger conspiracy-nutcase context, is one hell of a stretch as well. The post only works if she is saying anti-semitism is real and is a bad thing.
...because she's comparing being a republican in 2021 with being a Jew in 1940s Germany, which is one hell of a stretch.
Not just a stretch, it's incredibly insulting. I'm honestly floored by reading people here unable to understand why such a statement would have you fired - by Disney, of all companies.
Hey, I'm not saying the comparison isn't both misguided and borderline whataboutism when put in context. I'm just saying it's not actually anti-semitic, as it requires belief that the Holocaust happened, and that it was wrong.
Same here when I read that, I mean, I disagree with a lot of what she's saying, but I also think its completely excessive to kick her off the show for it. There's a difference between expressing an opinion and, say, being a holocaust denier or whatever.
She compared having unpopular opinions in modern day America to being a Jew in N@zi Germany. That is denying the scope of the holocaust, suggesting that Jews were merely unpopular and not in fact the victims of systemic genocide by the state.
It's not the first thing she has done either. She spread COVID-19 misinformation and lies about voter fraud, as well as posting transphobic stuff. To be fair she did delete the transphobic stuff when one of her co-stars explained it to her.
That is denying the scope of the holocaust, suggesting that Jews were merely unpopular and not in fact the victims of systemic genocide by the state.
No, what she posted actually stated that the scope of the holocaust was worse than most people think, and explains how widespread and systemic it was. It is in no way trying to downplay the holocaust.
You're falling into the trap of assuming that all false equivalency arguments are done to downplay the severity of something. This is the other type of false equivalency - you try to make something seem much more severe by comparing it to something very obviously bad.
No point trying to pretend it's not what everyone can see it is. The link is in the summary: https://twitter.com/djarincult... [twitter.com]
Jews were beaten in the street, not by N@zi soldiers but by their neighbours... even by children.
"Because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where N@zi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the Government first made their own neighbours hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?"
Accompanied by a photo of a Jewish woman being chased through the streets.
If it isn't obvious, the US government is not encouraging people to hate conservatives, and this is not a slippery slope towards fascism. Suggesting that it is serves to compare conservatives to those Jews, which is obviously deeply insulting to Jewish people.
Yes, it is an offensive comparison. Yes, it's a bad faith argument making use of false equivalency. But as the post relies on the base statement being "the holocaust and larger systemic Jewish persecution is one of the worst things ever" I don't think it's correct to label it as anti-Semitic. Her post is problematic in many ways, but labeling it as anti-Semitic distracts from its actual problems.
âoeIf it isn't obvious, the US government is not encouraging people to hate conservatives, and this is not a slippery slope towards fascism. Suggesting that it is serves to compare conservatives to those Jews, which is obviously deeply insulting to Jewish people.âoe
Whatâ(TM)s obvious is youâ(TM)re a shill. She said it started with neighbors... and you continuing to twist things to fit the narrative that her opinions need to go only serves to prove her right. What else is obvious is you
Before the death camps, Jews were made to wear yellow stars. People were told to not do business with them. People were told to socially shun them. There is a lot more to to the Holocaust than just the killing part. It started with dehumanizing an entire segment of the population and normalizing that dehumanization.
Perhaps, but what's happening to conservatives isn't that, for multiple reasons.
First off, it's not universally about conservatives, or even Republicans. It's about people being dangerous, supporting dangerous and harmful ideas, and blindly supporting those who push these dangerous ideas to the front. And that's the prime difference - these are people actively advocating policies that seek to dehumanize and harm others.
Secondly, this isn't due to a simple random aspect of the circumstances of their birth, b
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This person says that "jews were beaten (and avoided, ratted out) by their neighbours" and all of a sudden that's an anti-semitic statement?
Just for the record - Jews were also hidden and saved by their neighbours. But the first statement is in no way anti-semitic, it rightly points out that it wasn't just the government who hated on Jews, it was the ordinary citizens who picked up on the hate, too. In fact ordinary citizens were instrumental in spreading the hate.
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Wait, is that all there is to this story? Do people not know how Anne Frank and her family were discovered?
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Really, it's not this post that's the issue - it's only bad within the context of her other posts, because she's comparing being a republican in 2021 with being a Jew in 1940s Germany, which is one hell of a stretch. But even so, reading this particular post as anti-semitic, even in the larger conspiracy-nutcase context, is one hell of a stretch as well. The post only works if she is saying anti-semitism is real and is a bad thing.
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...because she's comparing being a republican in 2021 with being a Jew in 1940s Germany, which is one hell of a stretch.
Not just a stretch, it's incredibly insulting. I'm honestly floored by reading people here unable to understand why such a statement would have you fired - by Disney, of all companies.
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Hey, I'm not saying the comparison isn't both misguided and borderline whataboutism when put in context. I'm just saying it's not actually anti-semitic, as it requires belief that the Holocaust happened, and that it was wrong.
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She compared having unpopular opinions in modern day America to being a Jew in N@zi Germany. That is denying the scope of the holocaust, suggesting that Jews were merely unpopular and not in fact the victims of systemic genocide by the state.
It's not the first thing she has done either. She spread COVID-19 misinformation and lies about voter fraud, as well as posting transphobic stuff. To be fair she did delete the transphobic stuff when one of her co-stars explained it to her.
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That is denying the scope of the holocaust, suggesting that Jews were merely unpopular and not in fact the victims of systemic genocide by the state.
No, what she posted actually stated that the scope of the holocaust was worse than most people think, and explains how widespread and systemic it was. It is in no way trying to downplay the holocaust.
You're falling into the trap of assuming that all false equivalency arguments are done to downplay the severity of something. This is the other type of false equivalency - you try to make something seem much more severe by comparing it to something very obviously bad.
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No point trying to pretend it's not what everyone can see it is. The link is in the summary: https://twitter.com/djarincult... [twitter.com]
Jews were beaten in the street, not by N@zi soldiers but by their neighbours... even by children.
"Because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where N@zi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the Government first made their own neighbours hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?"
Accompanied by a photo of a Jewish woman being chased through the streets.
If it isn't obvious, the US government is not encouraging people to hate conservatives, and this is not a slippery slope towards fascism. Suggesting that it is serves to compare conservatives to those Jews, which is obviously deeply insulting to Jewish people.
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Yes, it is an offensive comparison. Yes, it's a bad faith argument making use of false equivalency. But as the post relies on the base statement being "the holocaust and larger systemic Jewish persecution is one of the worst things ever" I don't think it's correct to label it as anti-Semitic. Her post is problematic in many ways, but labeling it as anti-Semitic distracts from its actual problems.
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âoeIf it isn't obvious, the US government is not encouraging people to hate conservatives, and this is not a slippery slope towards fascism. Suggesting that it is serves to compare conservatives to those Jews, which is obviously deeply insulting to Jewish people.âoe
Whatâ(TM)s obvious is youâ(TM)re a shill. She said it started with neighbors... and you continuing to twist things to fit the narrative that her opinions need to go only serves to prove her right. What else is obvious is you
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Before the death camps, Jews were made to wear yellow stars. People were told to not do business with them. People were told to socially shun them. There is a lot more to to the Holocaust than just the killing part. It started with dehumanizing an entire segment of the population and normalizing that dehumanization.
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If you hate people because of their political party, if you hate people, you are part of the problem.
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They key difference being that the government doesn't require you to say things that make other people want to shun you.
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Perhaps, but what's happening to conservatives isn't that, for multiple reasons.
First off, it's not universally about conservatives, or even Republicans. It's about people being dangerous, supporting dangerous and harmful ideas, and blindly supporting those who push these dangerous ideas to the front. And that's the prime difference - these are people actively advocating policies that seek to dehumanize and harm others.
Secondly, this isn't due to a simple random aspect of the circumstances of their birth, b