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There Are Way Too Many Streaming Services 218

Cord-cutting promised us that we won't have to pay the ludicrously large cable bills. But it turns out, as long as you do not just want to watch a very limited set of movies and TV shows, you will have to subscribe to any number of these services: Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, HBO Go, Hulu, and Disney+ (and more.) For some living outside the US, the situation has become even more dire as they browse through as many as three dozen services. This, in addition to making watching TV expensive, is also creating a number of other confusions. No wonder piracy is on rise again.
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There Are Way Too Many Streaming Services

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  • by nnet ( 20306 ) on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:02PM (#57618336) Journal
    s/again/still/
    • Hmm, I'm not sure what the problem is...unless you just HAVE to have every channel on the planet as an option for you at any given time?

      Likely if you do, that is more TV than you can watch.

      I cut the cord....I got an amazon FireTV unit (not usb fob)....and I got Playstation VUE, that takes care of pretty much ALL my stations I ever watched on cable. It has most of the local stations, and FX, TCM, all the various cable news channels, cooking...and during college football season, I do enjoy all the ESPN chan

      • Agreed. Unless you're *really* dedicated to having a massive amount of choice available (which psychologists have shown tends to actually decrease satisfaction), the biggest problem I see with only having 1-2 streaming providers is that after a while you've watched most of their content that you're interested in - but at that point you can drop them and sign up for someone else for a year or two until you've watched as much of them as you like, and the original streamer's library has some new content. Jug

  • A universal streaming service, available world wide, usable on Linux/BSD.
    • by wizkid ( 13692 )

      A universal streaming service, available world wide, usable on Linux/BSD.

      It already exists. It's called transmission.

      You can click on a link from pirate bay, and it automagically opens and starts downloading whatever you want.

    • Sling? Works for me on Ubuntu with Chrome.
  • very limited? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:07PM (#57618376) Journal

    I haven't found Amazon Prime Video to be "very limited". There's a vast catalog, from every genre imaginable, more than I could ever watch.

    Now sure, if you absolutely must have {something that Prime doesn't have}, then you'll need to add something else. And that's your choice.

    But "doesn't have everything on earth" != "very limited"

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Only in the US. Here in Spain, Prime Video has basically only old crap no one else wanted, and Amazon Originals.
      • Only in the US. Here in Spain, Prime Video has basically only old crap no one else wanted, and Amazon Originals.

        Ah, but that's my secret, I like the "old crap no one else wanted".

    • by Tukz ( 664339 )

      Does Prime Video work with Chromecast yet?

    • It is limited in that it does not sport the greatest hits of the 80s and the 90s, just some random movies. And the movies are in rotation, so things on your wishlist does disappear over time.

      Note: I am not a big fan of series.

  • There are too many webpages, I can't read them all faster than they get updated and some require me to pay to access them!
  • 500 streams and nothing good on.
    • Not original...

      "I bought a bourgeois house in the Hollywood hills
      With a truckload of hundred thousand dollar bills
      Man came by to hook up my cable TV
      We settled in for the night my baby and me
      We switched 'round and 'round 'til half-past dawn
      There was fifty-seven channels and nothin' on
      Well now home entertainment was my baby's wish
      So I hopped into town for a satellite dish
      I tied it to the top of my Japanese car
      I came home and I pointed it out into the stars
      A message came back from the great beyond
      • "Got thirteen channels of shit on the TV to choose from."

        The sentiment is as old as coaxial cable. Only the amount of crap changes over time.

  • WSJ:

    My options are preposterously good—this is the Golden Age of Television, after all.

    By what insane standard?

  • by bobstreo ( 1320787 ) on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:12PM (#57618410)

    z nice antenna and an OTA compatible DVR. Some new content, and better resolution than cable companies provide.

    It's a one time purchase of a couple hundred bucks. Some OTA DVR services have a monthly charge for things like television guides or cloud services, I'm surprised that a whole lot of little companies haven't popped up to install stuff like this.

    • z nice antenna and an OTA compatible DVR. Some new content, and better resolution than cable companies provide.

      It's a one time purchase of a couple hundred bucks. Some OTA DVR services have a monthly charge for things like television guides or cloud services, I'm surprised that a whole lot of little companies haven't popped up to install stuff like this.

      It's called Tivo. :) I purchased the lifetime subscription so I have no reoccurring payment from them but I get the channel guides and everything else, including interfaces to Amazon, Netflix, Youtube, etc. I haven't seen a cable bill in 20 years.

      Of course, I also don't watch all that much TV, there are plenty of other forms of entertainment, but there are a few shows I like and special big events that make it nice to have a TV. Tivo also gives me commercial skip on prime time shows, or I just hit the "30

  • The problem with these streaming services is that they all have their own content that in terms of entertainment, if you want to watch all that you want to watch, then you need to buy them all. Granted I am talking in terms of entertainment, we should have self control to determine if it worth a monthly fee for only for entertainment. However, with the death of the Video Rentals, we need to find the streaming service to find the movie or shows that we cannot get on cable, being that Cable TV has degraded

  • People neither want to feel nickel-and-dimed, paying $10/month for half a dozen services, nor do they want to feel taken advantage of by a $200/mo Comcast bill.

    Each content provider wants to make the most money, and is using their content as leverage for their streaming subscriptions. The only thing that aggregates them all right now is The Pirate Bay. Roku does this to a certain extent, but having a middleman to aggregate billing and to give users a single, consistent UI with which to stream whatever content is desired.

    To which everybody says, "Congratulations Voyager, you just invented the cable company."

    I get it. However, the issues with Comcast and Time Warner were never their existence in the abstract, it's that they are inconsistent with delivering their service and that they charge a whole lot of money. If the average cable bill was $50/month and cable only went out during an actual-hurricane, I think there would be far less cord cutting, because there is still value from an end user perspective in the existence of an aggregator.

    However, the content companies don't want to be 'just another option', and they're having to play the game because of the issues with the aggregators that people are leaving, so we're stuck with a dozen different smaller libraries and an equitable amount of bills to pay as a result.

    • The first wave against cable was actually the TiVo. Skipping the advertisements was necessary to actually watch the programs, and eliminating centralized schedule control gave the user freedom. At that point the “thing” that the cable companies provided was no longer what they were selling.

      It will be worse for the streaming providers in the end, IMO. It just isn’t practical to have so many exclusives.

    • Amazon has the ability to subscribe to channels, which are each the individual some of the streaming services you mention.

      So, at least one person is starting to aggregate all the spread out stream offerings into a NEW MIDDLEMAN.

  • ...if it was done right. I would have no problems with one service per show, because then I'm buying the specific shows I want and don't have the overhead of effectively buying the lot. It would cost more than buying from a single vendor, but we don't have a universal vendor (be it a commonwealth or a cooperative or some vendor that has bought the rights to everything). If we did, that would be the best solution of all.

    I want at most one or two shows from a large number of vendors. If I got to do micropayme

  • The problem is that the streaming services are also content producers, and make their content exclusive to a single streaming service... meaning I have to subscribe to multiple streaming services to get all the content I want! If all content was cross-licensed to every streaming service, it would be an easy economic decision -- I would just subscribe to whichever service was currently cheapest!
    • by suutar ( 1860506 )

      write a letter to your congresscritters pushing for mandatory mechanical licensing of video. Don't hold your breath, though.

  • Service rotation? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fintux ( 798480 ) on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:19PM (#57618464)
    Why cant one just cancel the subscription A when not finding enough stuff to watch there and only then paying for subscription B? Unlike with broadcast TV, one can actually have the whole library available at any time, and so I cannot really understand the point of having to have all of the services subscribed all of the time.
  • I spend $70/mo on streaming services (Hulu/Netflix/Crunchy Roll/). The closest equivalent from cable TV would be at least $120/mo (accounting for the DVDs I get from Netflix that count as about 4 pay per views/mo). Plus there's no cable equivalent of Crunchy roll. As a consumer I'm still coming out way ahead. And when the kid graduates college and pays her own bills I'll kill the Hulu.
  • Pick one (Score:4, Insightful)

    by religionofpeas ( 4511805 ) on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:22PM (#57618488)

    Subscribe to one of them. Watch everything that interests you. Cancel . Subscribe to another.

    • Subscribe to another.

      Why bother, at that point you'll have seen spoilers for all the interesting stuff that was released ages ago on the other service.

    • by T.E.D. ( 34228 )
      If your interests are entirely serial, and not time sensitive, that might work OK. Most humans aren't like that. Example: I'm a Tottenham Hotspur fan. To watch their games, I have to do the following:
      • Regular league games against big teams: Over-the-air (can't get where I live) or local cable provider monopoly that carries the main NBC affiliate.
      • Regular league games against decent teams: Cable or streaming service that provides NBCSN and friends. About $40 a month.
      • Regular league games against poor teams:
  • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:29PM (#57618524) Journal

    Major media firms FINALLY understand that the internet isn't their enemy, and that streaming is a way to deliver their content? Great.

    Major media firms balkanize the shit out of it, trying to build their own little walled gardens assuming every idiot out there wants to pay $15/mo to access their crappy content? Ha ha ha, ....no. A-pirating we'll go.

    My favorite is when Network TV tries to **charge you** for the shit they put on air for free. I guess I can see the idea if they are streaming it commercial free, but then the price should be about the $0.025 in ad revenue they'd have gotten from your eyeballs on broadcast TV. In most cases I've see it's charge-per-episode AND there are ads.

  • Back in the day when you had an 8 foot dish in your backyard, you had to buy your TV from each individual producer ( HBO, Viacom, WGN, etc.) Eventually companies started up which negociated deals and provided packages.
  • by LostOne ( 51301 ) on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:34PM (#57618570) Homepage

    For most of us outside the US, we can't even subscribe to most of the services, evev if we want to. Or, if we can, the vast majority of the stuff that would motivate us to subscribe is unavailable due to assinine geolocking of content.

  • Digital OTA TV (Score:4, Insightful)

    by darkain ( 749283 ) on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:38PM (#57618582) Homepage

    Digital OTA TV is still free. Still getting 56 channels in my area. Access to all the major networks, news, sports, etc. I can live without most of the other worthless cruft.

    • by antdude ( 79039 )

      Yes, but not everyone can get OTA TV due to their locations like my rural areas with giant hills and small mountains. :(

    • Maybe in the US... But here (Quebec, Canada) we got only 4 channels : 3 boring French channels and 1 "ok" English channel.

  • While cable was a monopoly, with only one cable service in a given area, nobody is forcing you to sign up for streaming services. Cord-cutters subscribe to the two or three streaming services that represent most of their desired content, then complain about the number of services they would have to get to see allthe content they want.

    As content providers realize this (watch for online surveys and use complaint feedback contact opportunities that may be available) we will see more opportunities for a la cart

  • by DavenH ( 1065780 ) on Friday November 09, 2018 @03:41PM (#57618604)
    To get the content from Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, HBO - all for one low monthly fee.
  • And as soon as I subscribe to WSJ I can read TFA.
  • Few years ago, I used to read satirical articles about how you can spend $2500 and convert your PC into $500 TV. Same thing goes for replacing cable with streaming for now. I have switched to Netflix and Amazon Prime couple of times only to go back again to cabal. Streaming is way too restrictive for live programs and quality depends on your internet service and too much lag time when switching shows.

  • by atrex ( 4811433 ) on Friday November 09, 2018 @04:03PM (#57618724)
    I see a lot of talk comparing the sum cost of streaming services being higher than the price of cable, and they are absolutely right. If you subscribe to everything it is. But, here's the catch: most subscription based streaming services operate with No Commercials during the stream. You get to binge watch an entire series without seeing a single commercial. Cable TV is heavily subsidized by advertisements.

    The second thing I see a lot of people doing is including the cost of internet service with the cost of subscription streaming services and saying that it's much higher than the cost of cable, and it is. But, what they ignore is the fact that most people are buying internet service regardless of whether or not they have cable TV service. Now, you might opt for more bandwidth/larger caps/unlimited when you "cut the cord", but that's not necessarily something people wouldn't do anyway.

    The third thing: streaming services are for the most part not directly comparable to cable. When it comes to cable you watch what they broadcast when they broadcast it (or you DVR it and watch it shortly there after). Some stations will let you stream episodes from their websites shortly after broadcast, but access still tends to be restricted (and I'd bet those streams are laden with commercials just like the on air broadcast). Streaming services are more analogous to a library. You get to browse the content and pick and choose what you want to watch, when you want to watch it, no matter how much of it you want to watch.


    Now, are multiple streaming services anti-consumer? It certainly feels like it when previously Disney licensed it's library to Netflix and now they're pulling it all off and demanding you pay them more money if you want to watch any of it. But, you also have to admit that by doing that Disney is going to put it's money where it's mouth is and produce more content for it's service to keep people engaged than they would have if they just continued licensing their library to Netflix. So, there's pluses and minuses to the change. Ultimately, it's a decision that you the consumer have to make with your wallet. If their service flounders then they'll probably go back to licensing to the other services. If it takes off, then they'll end up producing more content.
    • In hindsight, I guess I found more than one thing to remember.
    • "Cable TV is heavily subsidized by advertisements."

      Yep. Really expensive for the consumer, *and* heavily subsidized by advertisements. Making conventional cable TV an easy target for streaming services.

      I'm not sure internet services plus on-demand services are collectively higher than cable TV. But internet is relatively cheap in our area ($40/month for 30/30) and we don't subscribe to "all the services". Our total is still roughly 1/3 of what Comcast was charging for conventional cable TV plus (slower!

  • This is a case of there's no winning.

    If content creators offer a streaming service, people complain there's too many service providers, and piracy ensues.

    If all the content creators glom on to one major provider, then they get accused of collusion and price fixing. Piracy ensues again.

    If they opt to not provide any streaming for specific content, then they are accused of holding back content, and providing justification for piracy. The lack-of-access issue. And of course, piracy ensues.

    Is there any way t

    • by Big Boss ( 7354 )

      It works fine for music. I can pay for one of Spotify, Amazon, Apple, Google, etc... I can listen to all the music. If I had to pay for all of them to get all the music I wanted, I would pay for none of them and go back to maintaining my own library via whatever means I felt like. That's the problem. We don't care how many services there are to choose from, we care that there is so much exclusivity. The reason music piracy is fading is that streaming services have everything and are cheap. Some are even fre

      • "We don't care how many services there are to choose from, we care that there is so much exclusivity."

        Agreed. The problem being, exclusivity is these services' differentiation. "Sign up for OurCompany all access, as it's the only way to see these new shows! Netflix and Hulu won't have them for years!"

        And then, piracy ensues.

        • by Big Boss ( 7354 )

          And, yet, I don't need 4 different music streaming services to listen to everything. Metal, country, rock, pop, boy bands, funk, jazz, it's all there in one app for one price. And somehow they manage to make money. If you want my money, that's the level of service I require. I don't want to exit the app I'm in, and load HBO for Game of Thrones, then switch to Netflix for Altered Carbon, then switch to CBS for ST:D. I want to simply tell the app I'm in and paying for that I want to watch something else. They

  • Maybe content creators need to set up something similar to how Ultraviolet works, where a centralized database is maintained, which keeps track of who has access to which content. You pick the stream provider, attach your account, and stream content you have access to.

    Seems to work great for movies using UV. I remember when Flixster died off, instead of losing all my content I had on Flixster, I just moved over to Vudu and they provide access to all the content I have under UV's system.

    This was because the

  • I can subscribe to nearly half a dozen streaming services before I approach the cost of a single cable bill. Still a win.
  • ...because we wanted to increase the information accessibility on the net, as well as to increase the number of information providers (digital multiply). Each provider claimed that they add something original to offer to the end user (digital add). We now discover that each provider wants nothing but money from our pockets (digital subtract).
    • ...because we wanted to increase the information accessibility on the net, as well as to increase the number of information providers (digital multiply). Each provider claimed that they add something original to offer to the end user (digital add). We now discover that each provider wants nothing but money from our pockets (digital subtract).

      But... are we surprised? Isn't that ultimately what any provider wants?

  • So back around 2000 or so, there was all sorts of bitching and moaning about cable operators giving gobs of channels no one needs. At the time the call was:
    'Give us a la carte!'

    So now we have a la carte, the cry is 'put it all on one service, but don't charge a lot for it!'.

    I personally would love a federated, unified interface to content that spans services, and wouldn't mind paying 'a la carte'.

    Of course as it stands the content holders ownership is pretty random. People have to give money to Disney, wh

    • The problem was that those “gobs of channels no one needs” from the aughties were essentially dominated by what would come to be known on Steam as the “zero effort asset flip”. For the cost of a hundred and fifty channels of bullshit attempts at micro targeting, we probably could have had ten or fifteen channels of solid gold. Except for one little problem

      Every hour of TV is really forty minutes of content, and twenty minutes of advertising. If you spend your budget on fifteen gold-

  • I strongly suspect that there will be at some point a consolidation of all these streaming services under a single umbrella, where you pay one bill and get access to a collection of services (including some you don't want, but are included in your tier whether you want them or not) plus a bunch of other features bundled in that nobody really needs. There will be an attractive introductory price offered followed six months later by an outrageous monthly cost.

    There will be a set top box that you have to rent

  • In my youth, I would have no qualms with pirating software or videos. Today, I feel that it is wrong and I rather than using proprietary software, I just do everything open source. As for videos and entertainment, I can live without it altogether. For the little bit of TV that I do watch, the over the air programming is fine and dandy.
  • Anyone who tells you otherwise is full of crap and/or has a hidden agenda. Always remember that you are now living in a world where you have to rent EVERYTHING. Everything has some sort of monthly fee to it. But people cheerfully cough it up because, "Hey, it's only $19.95 a month! I'm really sticking it to 'the man'" No, you're not. You're now sampling the addictive drugs and you'll be hooked very quickly.

  • I hate stories like this. IMOHO it's folks who don't want to see the cable companies take a dump (this article is from the WSJ), so I always assume there's a conflict of interest. Are there a lot of choices? Yes, and that's actually a good thing. The down side is you have to do a bit of research and you have to use a few different apps instead of having everything right at your fingertips. There are tons of sites out there that will tell you what each service carries.

    When I cut the cord two years ago, I sp

  • Remember when all the cord-cutters demanded ala carte? This is the result. Your prices are higher, but you get to pick and choose what you want to watch. As someone in the cable TV industry, I'd just like to offer up a hearty "We told you so."
  • Who would mind a little competition? Certainly, not the consumer.
  • We use a NUC with Windows 10 as our TV box. We ditched Netflix+Prime for $20 Sling 'Blue' about a year ago, then about 4 months back added $10 to that to get Sling 'Orange' + Lifestyle Bundle which ended up taking the original 40ish channels to 70ish channels. Comparable DirecTV would be about $90 a month after the fees and taxes, cable locally would be about $75. These are nearly all live, main-line cable channels with only about 10% of filler channels (Bloomberg, TheBlaze, Afro, etc). They also include re
  • Chinese streaming services go for $1-3 (usd). Subscribing to a dozen isn't a problem then. You can find the some shows repeated on many of them, so picking a few services that best match your preferences isn't so hard.

    The problem is that the US have a few big content owners that keep their content as an exclusivity, so you don't have dozens of streaming services to chose from, you have a few, very expensive choices (yes, $15/month for a fraction of what you'd like to see is too expensive).

    It's time copyrigh

  • Over here there is at least Netflix, or there would be zero.
  • What if there were a way to select the networks you want and have it spit out your best option to achieve [suppose.tv] your dream list? Just make sure you make the selection with only one nerd [xkcd.com] present
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    • Exactly! Read, go outside, find a hobby, dance, practice some sports, take time with your family/friends, start a DIY project, ... :)

  • I just love the way everyone's talking about this, as though it's shocking, and somehow unexpected. But this is economics 101. When the consumer demand exists for any given product, and the marketplace does not supply it, channels will rise in order to attempt to address the market need. The way this goes in history is pretty straightforward. First, one or two products show up. Then, you have a lot of copycats that offer the same or similar products as the market expands. Then, the market contracts and corr

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