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'Two Years Later, I Still Miss the Headphone Port' (techcrunch.com) 566

An anonymous reader shares a column: I've been trying to figure out why the removal of the headphone port bugs me more than other ports that have been unceremoniously killed off, and I think it's because the headphone port almost always only made me happy. Using the headphone port meant listening to my favorite album, or using a free minute to catch the latest episode of a show, or passing an earbud to a friend to share some new tune. It enabled happy moments and never got in the way.

Now every time I want to use my headphones, I just find myself annoyed. Bluetooth? Whoops, forgot to charge them. Or whoops, they're trying to pair with my laptop even though my laptop is turned off and in my backpack. Dongle? Whoops, left it on my other pair of headphones at work. Or whoops, it fell off somewhere, and now I've got to go buy another one. I'll just buy a bunch of dongles, and put them on all my headphones! I'll keep extras in my bag for when I need to borrow a pair of headphones. That's just like five dongles at this point, problem solved! Oh, wait: now I want to listen to music while I fall asleep, but also charge my phone so it's not dead in the morning. That's a different, more expensive splitter dongle (many of which, I've found, are poorly made garbage).

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'Two Years Later, I Still Miss the Headphone Port'

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  • I don't. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Qbertino ( 265505 ) <moiraNO@SPAMmodparlor.com> on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:15PM (#57863062)

    Because I don't buy phones that don't have one.
    Genius, isn't it?

    • Re:I don't. (Score:5, Informative)

      by sg_oneill ( 159032 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:55PM (#57863358)

      Because I don't buy phones that don't have one.
      Genius, isn't it?

      Enjoy it while you can. All the android phones are starting to follow suit.

      and it sucks

    • by tepples ( 727027 ) <tepplesNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:18PM (#57863524) Homepage Journal

      I don't buy phones that don't have one.

      Tell that to someone who resolved not to buy phones that lack a QWERTY keyboard.

      • I'm typing this comment on my shiny new-ish Blackberry KeyOne, an Android phone with a QWERTY keyboard. It took about a week to adapt back to using physical keys, but after a few months of use I'm totally content. So much less frustration when you can actually feel the keys!

    • it's getting really hard to buy a premium smartphone with one

    • Because I have never used the headphone jack on any phone.

  • by bobby ( 109046 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:15PM (#57863066)

    I know I'm being unrealistic, but I wish free-market economics worked the way they theorize it should: that very few people would buy a product that doesn't have a 3.5mm port, and the demand would be filled by other manufacturers (unless you're Apple-addicted, then you're at their mercy). It bugs me to no end when the market bends and adapts to the supplier.

    • by js290 ( 697670 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:22PM (#57863106)
      It's actually counterintuitive: "The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority" https://medium.com/incerto/the... [medium.com]
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by bobby ( 109046 )

        Wish I could upmod you. Brilliant insight. Thank you, and for that link. Awesome article; dovetails with much of my observation and thinking.

        I've only dabbled in economics (college minor) and it's obvious that the major assumptions are false, and / or are based in illogic. I still say that something's wrong when there's much demand for 3.5mm jacks and suppliers are willing to risk the loss in sales, especially when newer phones don't really have gigantic offsetting advantages. I think the world needs mu

    • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:23PM (#57863110) Journal
      The theory you are mentioning is actually called the Rational market theory. It works when an informed public acts rationally. Not altruistically, not socially responsibly, not any highflatulating weirdly. Simply rationally.

      And you apply it to iPhone market? That is the most irrational market there is.

      • How is it rational for me not to buy a device that, in total, is better than my current one. Sure, the lack of a headphone jack is a negative, and worse than the same phone with a headphone jack, but all in all, the new features may still make it a better phone.

        It's not irrationality, it's coarseness of decisions. It's not like Apple offered two versions and let the market choose.

        • by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:56PM (#57863364) Journal

          I just walked through the electronics section of a general merchandise store and there are no fewer than 30 different phone models available within 10 feet of me right now. At least 27 of those have headphone jacks. Most of them are available at a much lower price than the iPhone. Rationally, people with different needs and desires would choose different phones. This LG on my left is probably the best choice for 3% of buyers, the more expensive LG two feet away is probably the rational choice for 2% of buyers, the iPhone is probably the best for 2% of people, etc. The difference between the 2% of people who *should* buy iPhones and the number who *actually* buy iPhones is the number of irrational iPhone purchases.

          • I mean, that's an anecdote with superficial plausibility. But you're assuming what you want to show... namely that the iPhone is only the best choice for 2% of people. And, of course, people who naturally agree with you about the lack of iPhone merits are voting you up

            I'm not sure why you think that the iPhone is such a bad choice for over 100 million Americans (and many more outside the US). It's amazing that you know more about their needs than they do. Or, the alternative, that their preferences are

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    • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

      by thaylin ( 555395 )

      Or it could be that it IS working as it is supposed to, and the 3.5mm port is not as needed as you want. From my experience it is only needed by a few, at home people connect to bluetooth speakers, that lets them charge and play. Similar in modern cars, and you should not have head phones in while driving anyways. For exercise is the only time you need something and charging is not something you normally can do at that time anyways.

      • by msauve ( 701917 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:42PM (#57863232)
        "Or it could be that it IS working as it is supposed to,"

        OK, if it's working as it should, what's the reason for removing the jack? It's not any of the bullshit ones the marketing department came up with: cost ($800 phone and you need a $40 accessory to replace all the lost functionality), size/space (plenty of phones to compare, a dongle is bigger, and they charge more for larger phones, anyway), water resistance (a jack can be just as water resistant as a USB port). I suspect the reason Apple did it was strictly aesthetics - one less hole in their device. That's not unexpected, they make a lot of form over function design decisions ("you're holding it wrong"). But please, what's the legitimate, real, user benefit of removing the jack?
      • I don't know, but it seems that it's kind of silly to replace something tried and true that just fucking 'works'; with a menagerie of dongles, adapters, and overpriced wireless headphones that may or may not deliver comprable sound quality.

        It's a step backwards any way you slice it. New does not necessarily mean 'better'. (unless you're Apple, and you're wanting yet another way to extract even more money from your customers.)

    • by Z80a ( 971949 )

      Marketing is the poison for the free market.

    • The thing is while I do miss a 3.5mm port as well. Not as much I like having my device waterproof. or trying to clean gunk, pocket fluff, from the slot.
      It is a case of a trade-off vs rewards. Heck I would love for my phone to have HDMI or a VGA connector, USB 3 port... But I have a laptop for the real usage, with all these crazy ports. I use my phone, mostly for basic internet searches, emails, text and sometimes I will make a phone call. We forget that this device is not a PC replacement.

    • Even with my carrier's very limited set of choices for phones (mainly apple product) , I had no trouble finding a perfectly good smart phone with a headphone jack and at about a 1/3rd the price of the lowest end Apple product.

      So if you wanted the feature and don't have it, don't blame markets for not working blame yourself for not making them work. They aren't magic after all, they represent the summation of all the participants decisions.

    • by godrik ( 1287354 )

      I don't understand what you are saying. I just changed my phone. When I bought it, I made sure there was a headphone jack on it. I had no problem finding what I wanted. (I ended up picking an LG Q7+ if you wonder.)

      Jackless phones tend to be the tech high end ones. There I am not surprised not having a jack isn't much of a problem. These phones are pretty much only purchased by tech enthusiast who probably have different wireless headset for their different devices.

    • There are lot of people who use the headphones that come with their product and not aftermarket products. If the Apple store sells some Apple ear buds that work with Apple iPhone, then that is seemingly good enough for many people.

      Think of the last few decades where people bought a walkman or CD player and most only ever used the shitty bundled in headphones? Market forces are at work here, and the theory tells us the selective pressure is not high for 3.5mm headphone jacks.

    • by mfearby ( 1653 )

      Even though I've been using a MacBook Pro for the past five years, I replaced my iPhone 5c it with a Samsung Galaxy S8 and it's just fine. I have three (on screen) buttons at the bottom of the phone instead of just one really dumb button for everything, AND I don't have to use iTunes to copy stuff to and from my phone. I'll never go back to an iPhone (but I'm still happy with macOS... for now).

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      The classic problem with the simple model is, regardless of rhetoric about rationality, it only really works if you have consumers and producers, with no additional layers or competing interests. After that it quickly starts looking more like feudal systems or international diplomacy.
  • I have an iPhone 5s with a stereo jack and it works great. Your problem was spending more money on newer tech that's not as good. Don't be an asshat.
    • by wwphx ( 225607 )
      What's ticking me off with the iPhone is that, aside from removing the headphone jack, is their size bias. I want a smaller form factor. I want the 5-series form factor back, and they're showing no inclination to go in that direction. I loved my 4S, which is now used by my wife, but Verizon is turning off their 3G network in '09 so that will have to be retired. I can give her my 6, which has a headphone jack which will work in her Subaru which doesn't have Bluetooth. So what then, I look for a used 5S?
  • expensive mistake (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:19PM (#57863088)

    removing the headphone port is the most annoying "feature" ever. im ready to pay off my iphone 8 so i can sell it to get a cheap android phone with the headphone port. it's ridiculous. 3rd party dongles are cheap and not built to spec so they burn out and/or have terrible audio. apple charges too much for dongles. i cant charge and listen at the same time on road trips now. dumb. i should have never "upgraded". i am learning an expensive lesson.

  • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:26PM (#57863134)
    Because removing the headphone jack was a cynical move by phone manufacturers to upsell you a pair of bluetooth headphones. There is virtually no benefit to the consumer of such a move.
    • by OzPeter ( 195038 )

      Because removing the headphone jack was a cynical move by phone manufacturers to upsell you a pair of bluetooth headphones. There is virtually no benefit to the consumer of such a move.

      So cynical that the company I bought my headphone jack-less phone from included a pair of earbuds that plug directly into the remaining port on the phone. And even included an adapter to allow other, standard headphones to plug into the same port.

      Now that's cynical /s

      • by H3lldr0p ( 40304 )

        Yes, because it locks you into their DRM scheme. Getting rid of the port is one of the last steps in sealing the analog hole. What better way of distracting you from this fact then by giving you nearly the same functionality without it having the same function as before?

        • by berj ( 754323 )

          How do you suppose they can close the analog hole when headphones, by their very nature, are analog devices? If you can attach a set of headphones (or a speaker) to a device then the analog hole exists. It's impossible for it to be closed. Even if a wireless connection is required to connect to those headphones.. the headphones themselves will *still* be an analog device with no possible way of protecting the signal with DRM. Just can't be done.

      • by DrXym ( 126579 )
        Well that's wonderful!. An inconvenient dongle that you can stick in the only port in your phone and while it is plugged in (obviously not when you're charging, syncing, docked or whatever), you can use wired headphones. What a wonderful solution to simply putting a jack in the phone and incurring literally pennies of additional cost.

        What will this unnamed but innovative and consumer-focussed phone manufacturer thing of next? Perhaps yet another dongle that allows their phone to sync / charge with cables

      • So cynical that the company I bought my headphone jack-less phone from included a pair of earbuds that plug directly into the remaining port on the phone. And even included an adapter to allow other, standard headphones to plug into the same port.

        Now that's cynical /s

        That's called a free sample. Pack-in headphones and small, easily misplaced or lost adapters, are consumables.

    • This makes sense. LG for example still has headphone jacks and MicroSD slots in even their latest flagship phones. Possible reason: they don't make accessories (the quasi-official recommended wireless charger was a Samsung last year, not sure if they even have their own yet) and they don't offer cloud storage.

  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:30PM (#57863150) Journal
    Smart phone market has saturated, and the shakeout is coming. I am sure the handsets with headphones will thrive, market research will show the value and it will come back.

    Same way the free checked bags will come back. Aviation kerosene prices are set to plunge in five years. It will remove all the nickel and diming from the air lines, 35$ for exit row seats, 25$ for guaranteed aisle seat...

    But the 40$ late fee for credit cards will stay. The banksters are cruel jerks and they got poor people by their balls. They are not going to stop squeezing anytime soon.

    • I'm not sure why you think the airlines will remove the nickel-and-diming. Have they lost any flyers since they instituted it? IIRC, most airlines are pretty much running at capacity already, and Boeing has a years-long waiting list.

  • Add to the list - any long customer phone calls (like to any customer service, for example)
    Before getting on a call I do 2 things:
    1. plug in a set of headphones
    2. plug the phone into power

    3.5mm connector is not optional. As of now I own iPhone SE and expect to continue in foreseeable future (might buy another SE spare just in case). Eventually either:

    Eventually I will have to decide between imessage/facetime (that's the primary reason I stick with IOS, though not being Google product is a close second) and

  • Maybe it's a me-too fad that will die off as people gradually realize they miss it and stop buying lame phones.

  • Like many aspects of Apple's newer business philosophies it is a blatant money grab. If they want to fix slumping sales then go back to putting the product before profits again. That's how they got to their position in the market today. Companies are constantly ripping us off. I used to look forward to Apple releases but now I just worry about what they're going to take away so that I have to buy more stuff (and I buy nothing new from Apple anymore).
  • The two ports:

    1.) Analog mini jack for audio out and in

    2.) Ethernet RJ 45

    Mess with either and your business growth if used will suffer for sure.

    Me it tops out iPhone 6s and forget the 7 and nice Xr Max OLED screen or even switch to Note a port be gone is a mistake for customer demand

    Same goes for ports on network gear or even make it different for edge gear, security forces through App instead of at least a hard link to physical device, what?

    USB-C is really just Ethernet flattened out looks like an interest

    • Wow, I've never seen a phone with an RJ-45 port!

      But my iPhone 6S still has a headphone port, and the battery's in pretty good shape. And, when the battery eventually dies, I'll gladly pay $49 for a new one - beats paying $1200 for a new, headphone-jack-less phone.

  • I don't miss it on my iPhone 7. The adapter that Apple shipped with the phone lives in the little pouch that came with my IEM ear buds, and everything else connects via Bluetooth, USB (Car), or wifi (home stereo).

  • There was a guy on youtube that lives in China that was able to source the parts, and free up enough room inside his iPhone to readd a 3.5mm jack. He used one of those lightning to 3.5mm passthrough dongles and stripped it down to the bare minimum. So if some guy in his bedroom could do it, apple could have done it.
  • by fbobraga ( 1612783 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:49PM (#57863298) Homepage
    ... the lack of it was the first "fail" to me (it's a reason why I still keep my S5 [it shines with http://lineageos.org/ [lineageos.org] ] :P)
  • by Carcass666 ( 539381 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:51PM (#57863316)

    This isn't an appropriately Luddite response for Slashdot, but I don't miss the headphone jack. Why? Because I don't miss one-half of my audio disappearing when I bumped the cable or, worse, the headphone jack just stop working for one ear because the contacts got messed up in the jack itself. I don't miss the cable flapping around. I don't miss bending/breaking the plugs that for some mind-numbing reason rarely were the 90-degree angle that would keep them from getting bent/broken.

    Yeah, charging headphones is a bit of a pain. But so is charging my phone, my notebook and my tablet. I've learned to deal with that. If ditching the headphone jack truly was a trade-off to allow more room for a battery, I'm fine with it, I'd rather have the battery life. Perhaps if I was also a blogger for Tech Crunch or similar publication, I would have enough devices that the Bluetooth pairing issue described would be annoying, but I don't. For me, and my small universe of devices, Bluetooth headphones work well enough, even the cheap Ankers I use 90% of the time.

    I don't see this as a freedom (or "bravery") topic or even a big deal. It's an area where for reasons of efficiency (or more likely, cost) the market moved away from something. For the audiophiles with $400 cans, they were complaining about the digitized music in the first place. For the people who miss getting cheap $10 headphones at Ross or Marshall's that they could lose or throw away without feeling bad, there are almost as-cheap Bluetooth alternatives. It sort of reminds me when physical keyboards went away. We adapted, and we're fine.

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    • by mark-t ( 151149 )

      Yeah, charging headphones is a bit of a pain. But so is charging my phone, my notebook and my tablet. I've learned to deal with that.

      That would be fine if the phone had a dock embedded right into the device, not unlike a pen dock on some devices, which charged the cordless earphones when the phone is also plugged in.... it would also provide a convenient storage that you don't have to keep separate track of when you aren't using the bluetooth headphones.

  • by mveloso ( 325617 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:00PM (#57863396)

    I've forgotten to charge my BT headphones, or just plain forgot my BT headset, or forgotten my dongle so many times that I just bought a couple of old iPods, converted them to flash, and carry them around with me.

    I could care less about waterproofing. I dropped or placed my iPhone in water like 0 times in the last 11 years.

    After evaluating my iPhone usage, I'll be moving back to an iPhone SE this year. I'll miss the camera, but I have a real camera that I can carry around now.

  • by julian67 ( 1022593 ) on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @06:11PM (#57863476)

    I have a headphone port and it is immensely useful while still being crappy in some respects. My phone is an LG V20. The audio system is excellent: it adaptively supports low and high impedance IEMs and headphones. It offers bit perfect decoding and playback of all the music I own (ranges from 16-bit 44100 kHz to 24-bit 88200 kHz derived from SACD as well as purchased 24-bit 96 and 192 kHz tracks. But the port/jack itself is a thowback, and especially bad on a portable device that is exposed to the elements, pocket lint etc.

    Surely the ideal solution is not to force the decoding and amplification into a low power and inadequate chip, but to update the very simple physical interface from a crude jack into to one of pins with reliable connection and the capacity to be adapted and enhanced? It would also make converters very simple and cheap and universal. ....oh shit, I forgot....it's not about quality or customer satisfaction, it's about squeezing more money out of us cattle.

  • ... a really long time if the only new alternative is a phone without a headphone jack. Use the H out of it, and am NOT going to buy a new set of bluetooth headphones or some cockeyed adapter. That's just the way it is. That is all...

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