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'I Bought Some Noise-Canceling Headphones. They Don't Cancel Noise' (zdnet.com) 436

"Many are seduced by the idea that they can listen in silence," complains ZDNet columnist Chris Matyszczyk.

"This doesn't seem to be true," he writes, describing a typical experience with some $279.95 Beats Studio3 wireless over-ear headphones: I could still hear so much of what was going on beyond the soccer match or movie upon which my headphones were supposed to be focused. This wasn't noise-canceling. It was noise-dulling... I did a little research. This noise-canceling thing is a splendid hype. The technology works best on quashing -- somewhat -- low-frequency sounds. The more high-pitched elements of life -- human speech, babies on planes, high-revving engines, the Darkness in concert -- get a little flattening at best, once you don your headphones. Door bells, a glass being dropped on the floor, a dog barking -- all these sounds were slightly dulled by my headphones, but still perfectly audible.

I'm not suggesting Beats is solely responsible for the promise of noise-canceling being overblown. I understand it's the same with all other headphones of the genre. It's like a self-driving car that actually needs you to check it's not about to kill you....

Yes, if I wear my Beats for a couple of hours and then take them off, I feel like I'm returning from some sort of purgatorial netherworld. But these things are supposed to cancel noise. You know, like you cancel a subscription or an air ticket. When I decide to cancel my flight from San Francisco to New York, I don't expect to still have to fly to Boise, Idaho.

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'I Bought Some Noise-Canceling Headphones. They Don't Cancel Noise'

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 13, 2019 @06:38AM (#58582116)

    (C)(R)(TM)Apple

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:41AM (#58582426)

      He buys a shit pair of headphones and is surprised when they sound like shit.

      Go get a pair of Bose QuietComfort 35 II or V-MODA Crossfade II headphones. Don't waste your money on Beats garbage.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        They are like top-price-segment Beats. Also utterly overpriced for their quality. Poser crap.

        Head over to the Head-Fi forums and check out their list of recommendations. Then try which ones *you* actually like best, purely based on how they sound (at the same subjective volume!). Then pick what you want to pay.
        Trust me, you will be much happier. As will your wallet.

        • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @12:33PM (#58584248)
          Bose's audiophile equipment is poser crap. But their noise cancellation headsets are the best in the world. Bose's line of the aviation noise cancellation headsets are considered the gold standard of the industry. If you want headsets which will cut down the noise of a 1500 HP engine and propeller blades spinning 5 feet from your head, to the point where you can have a conversation with the person next to you in a normal voice, Bose makes headsets which will do it [amazon.com].
  • As Every Review Says (Score:5, Informative)

    by logicnazi ( 169418 ) <gerdesNO@SPAMinvariant.org> on Monday May 13, 2019 @06:39AM (#58582124) Homepage

    It's not like the fact that they don't make everything perfectly silent is hidden. Read any review and it makes it clear and I'm sure the columnist knew this.

    I don't know about Beats but I find the noise cancelling on my Sony WH-1000XM3's invaluable. My wife and I can sit next to each other and work while the other one eats loud food or listens to something out loud. I can easily hear whatever I play on my headphones even on planes or while vacuuming.

    So other than being ASTONISHED that product makers might be engaged in a degree of puffery what's the point of this piece?

    • by sheramil ( 921315 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @06:48AM (#58582160)

      I don't know about Beats but I find the noise cancelling on my Sony WH-1000XM3's invaluable.

      I don't know about $280 Beats but I find the noise cancelling on my $4 foam earplugs (pack of eight!) that I got from the local pharmacy to be invaluable.

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        • by bickerdyke ( 670000 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:13AM (#58582266)

          Then use the over-ear construction worker grade hearing protections. these easily fit an in-ear headphone beneath.

          • by Anonymous Coward

            This. $20 war mufflers and $30 in ear Bluetooth set works 20db better than a $300 set of beats. You need to avoid a wire with this method, or else use foam plugs and turn up the volume on over the ear sets, and use the muffs to keep it quiet for others.

          • by Tugrik ( 158279 )

            Peltors. Any of the WS series. Aka 'forklift driver headphones'. Bluetooth, exceptional at removing just about all sounds, can talk to others on the phone when needed even in excessively high noise environments, and most of them have 'punch through' to permit local audio when you need it. Also pretty damn tough; I still use my first set of Peltors I purchased a decade ago.

            Only two downsides: bulky and pricey. But dang do they work well.

      • They do make bluetooth ear protection, as well. Great for mowing the lawn and so on where bulky ear protection can get uncomfortable and you get to listen to music!
      • by mobby_6kl ( 668092 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @08:29AM (#58582650)

        But then you don't hear your audio.

        The actual solution is an in-ear monitor that isolates just as well as an earplug while letting you hear very accurately reproduced music. I've used a pair of old-school Etymotic ER4 [etymotic.com] for years now and it's still shocking how well they work. Like to the point where I pull them out somewhere in public and the ambient noise is louder than Metallica was just playing in my ears.

        • My go-to is the Bose QC25, but I have owned some ER4 (and better) in the past. It all really depends on your use, and almost necessarily so (exception apparently being the tunable noise cancelling Sony offers). From a safety perspective, they try to avoid cancelling out human voice midrange in general.

          But, I would much prefer in-ear noise cancelling to noise isolating personally. The isolation doesn’t seem to work as well on the frequency bands or noise that causes me stress when flying.

          Pulling out

      • by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @09:33AM (#58583024)

        these are noise cancelling not sound canceling. Same as Life insurance is not protection for your life. Noise cancelation is NOT about quiet it's about improving signal to noise ratio. Earplugs just reduce signal and noise in equal amounts.

        The dull the low freq roars that can be all around us and quite loud but that we tune out. When those are gone your stress levels go down and you can hear more. I actually find it easier to have a conversation on an airplane when I'm wearing the headphones (no music, just more quiet). I can pick out the voices just fine.

        It's not even close to foam ear plugs in effect. Yes those also provide sounnd reductions but they dont change the ratio of noise to signal. Those make everything hard to hear. They con't selectively remove the roar and thus improve the fidelity of what remains.

      • by lazarus ( 2879 )

        I know it's off topic somewhat, but in all seriousness I highly recommend getting a set of construction-grade hearing protectors ("earmuffs") instead of using foam earplugs. I find I tend to use them a lot more because they are much easier to "put on". They are also large enough that you can wear a set of AirPods or whatever ear buds you like under them. If you want "noise cancelling" then that is the way to go. Eliminates about 30db. You may not look as cool as you do wearing Beats though...

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

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      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:14AM (#58582274) Homepage Journal

        Looking at the Beats site they don't actually claim to completely block all sound. I don't know where the author got that impression.

        TBH they sound pretty clueless. I mean they bought Beats headphones expecting them to be good, when everyone with a clue knows that they are extremely shit and only really good as fashion accessories. It's their hallmark, their brand identity.

        • by teg ( 97890 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:41AM (#58582432)

          Looking at the Beats site they don't actually claim to completely block all sound. I don't know where the author got that impression.

          TBH they sound pretty clueless. I mean they bought Beats headphones expecting them to be good, when everyone with a clue knows that they are extremely shit and only really good as fashion accessories. It's their hallmark, their brand identity.

          To be fair, the Studio Wireless 3 are pretty good [wired.com] and far more neutral than the other Beat headphones, which are rather bass heavy. I had some older Studio Wireless headphones, and while I prefer Sennheiser Momentum and the latest Sony WH-1000XM3s, the Beats were not bad.

          Of course, with the bass heavy noise whippersnappers call music these days, no headphone can salvage it.

      • Why exactly should the columnist need to read a review to find out that the sellers of a type of headphone are blatantly lying about its capabilities?

        Why exactly do you want to live in a society in which not only are businesses allowed to do this in practice, but consumers aren't even warned about it?

        I'm not exactly sure how you reconcile these two points. Consumers are able to learn about this and become empowered. Its called reading reviews.

        And who the fuck reads reviews for headphones except audiophiles and professional sound engineers, neither of which are likely to be in the market for noise cancelling head phones?

        Anyone who wants to make an informed purchase and not waste their money. Why would you ever buy any high dollar item without researching it first? Even doing the bare minimum and reading the amazon reviews is better than nothing.

      • by N1AK ( 864906 )

        Why exactly should the columnist need to read a review to find out that the sellers of a type of headphone are blatantly lying about its capabilities?

        Care to demonstrate anywhere that the companies referred to are lying in their advertising? Saying something is noise cancelling doesn't mean that it stops 100% of noise and it would be ridiculous to expect that, it means that it cancels noise. There are literally thousands of products that are referred to, or have capabilities named after, functionality that

        • by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @09:30AM (#58583004)

          Why exactly should the columnist need to read a review to find out that the sellers of a type of headphone are blatantly lying about its capabilities?

          Care to demonstrate anywhere that the companies referred to are lying in their advertising? Saying something is noise cancelling doesn't mean that it stops 100% of noise and it would be ridiculous to expect that, it means that it cancels noise.

          I sometimes wonder what happened to Slashdot. I don't expect everyone to be incredibly brilliant, but it seems we are one small step away from becoming a haven for flat earthers and ID kooks.

          Anyone doing the slightest bit of research will find out very quickly that these devices will do a very good job of cancelling noise that is coming from a source that is regular. The phase reversal technology tends to cancel out that pretty well. Completely irregular, short duration noise makes it's way through just fine.

          Air conditioning, jet engine, lawn mower noise gets inverted and cancelled. Your sister's children screaming, or breaking glass - not so much.

          If you spend a small fortune on a pair of noise cancelling headphones without any research and are then surprised that they don't stop every noise imaginable that isn't false advertising it's lack of thought or intelligence on the buyers part.

          This also has the hidden reason for SlashRage. Apple. Unless there have been some real recent changes, the technology is all very similar. So the overpriced Beats sound cancelling is pretty much the same thing as the 60 dollar Sony.

          • "do a very good job of cancelling noise that is coming from a source that is regular. The phase reversal technology tends to cancel out that pretty well. Completely irregular, short duration noise makes it's way through just fine."

            I think that's not correct. Active noise canceling is limited to lower frequencies (to 500 Hz or so), for which the loudspeaker and signal processing are fast enough to respond and which have wavelengths much larger than the earpad, so that the ANC circuits don't have to account f

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        by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @08:41AM (#58582714)
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    • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:13AM (#58582268) Journal
      The fact that his complaint specifically mentions pitch seems particularly weird. The fact that any headphones that don't look like they were designed for helicopter door gunners or carrier deck crew(and even those, to an extent) are imperfect attenuators is well known; but the fact that active noise cancellation(of the 'mic picks up noise, system generates destructive interference' flavor) works best on relatively low frequency, predictable, inputs(fantastic for air travel); and progressively less well, verging into 'impossible or impractical' for higher frequencies is a well known characteristic of the active cancellation type.

      Failure to perform as specced is unacceptable(especially if the noise reduction system is sold as occupational safety and health PPE, that's extra serious business); but pretty much the whole point of consumer noise cancelling headphones is that you accept the tradeoffs(in some cases want the tradeoffs, the failure to attenuate higher frequencies makes it easier to hear people speaking while still blocking out engine drone) of active cancellation systems in exchange for not looking like you just wandered out of an industrial site wearing giant beefy passive attenuation earmuffs.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:18AM (#58582290) Homepage Journal

      The author is clearly clueless, I mean be bought a pair of Beats headphones for a start so clearly didn't do any research.

      For what they are designed for noise cancelling headphones work great. They are better at cutting out low frequency noise, the like you get on aircraft or in road vehicles. For higher frequencies you need to block the noise with a physical barrier. I have some much cheaper AKG Y50BT cans that do that just by creating a good seal with your ear using soft pads. IEMs are even better.

    • by Plammox ( 717738 )
      I have the older XM2s and I agree completely. Even though surrounding sounds aren't cancelled completely, the overall decrease in open office noise level works wonders in the long run for my concentration. You have to experience it to fully appreciate this effect.
    • a dollar pair of those foam rubber ear plugs do a better job
    • I don't know about Beats but I find the noise cancelling on my Sony WH-1000XM3's invaluable.

      Those Sonys you're speaking of, and the Bose QuietComfort 35 II that other are mentionning, are about the current absolute best ANC phones on the market, short of specialized equipment for aircraft pilots (and Bose actually make such equipment too).

      If that's your point of reference, of course you won't understand the fuss about beats.

      Beats, if you remember, is that company that was caught putting metal elements inside earphone just to make them heavier, and make them "seem" better quality.
      (Putting psycholo

  • Depends what you buy (Score:4, Informative)

    by cyber-vandal ( 148830 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @06:41AM (#58582128) Homepage

    Bose QuietComfort work very well for a similar price

    • by Freischutz ( 4776131 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @06:55AM (#58582188)

      Bose QuietComfort work very well for a similar price

      I have one of those, I also have a Sennheiser Momentum 2.0. The Bose is better at cancelling basically any ambient noises to the point where it is hard to hear people speak when you turn the music off but the sound is ... well .... 'flatter' and and it lacks 'depth'. It's sort of like drinking flat Coca Cola. One of my friends uses these without listening to any music when he is working in a machine room for extended periods of time because it completely kills the constant hum and buzz of the machinery and you have (limited) control over the level of noise-cancelling. The Sennheiser does not take the shotgun approach, it seems to concentrate more on dampening loud buzzing and humming noises, like fans, engines and that sound you get when hundreds of voices merge into a single fatiguing clatter but the sound quality of the Sennheiser is better than the Bose. Neither of them eliminates 100% of all ambient noise and anybody expecting that is like one of those idiots on Amazon complaining that his $6.99 Sony earbuds did not deliver concert quality audio. So anybody contemplating buying one of these should not expect " that they can listen in silence,", just with less interference.

  • by pz ( 113803 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @06:41AM (#58582130) Journal

    You can get ear plugs at a local drug store that work out to something like $0.10 per pair that will do a far better job than noise-cancelling headphones. Not all ear plugs are made the same, and some are significantly more comfortable for extended wear (like on a transcontinental flight) than others, but good ones are out there.

    When I want to listen to something in the middle of a noisy environment (like on a plane), I put in ear plugs and then put on a normal pair of over-the-ear headphones. The ear plugs drop the noise floor, and I turn up the volume to compensate. Yes, slightly less convenient than the multi-hundred-dollar noise-cancelling version, but much less expensive, and more effective.

    • by Red_Forman ( 5546482 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @06:45AM (#58582144)

      When I want to listen to something in the middle of a noisy environment (like on a plane), I put in ear plugs and then put on a normal pair of over-the-ear headphones. The ear plugs drop the noise floor, and I turn up the volume to compensate. Yes, slightly less convenient than the multi-hundred-dollar noise-cancelling version, but much less expensive, and more effective.

      It's especially more effective toward the people around you, who have to endure your musical choices because you maxed out your headphone volume and they're hearing the music better than you.

      • Valid only for open headphones. Closed ones dull the sound they produce enough that if there's some sort of ambient noise, you would find it very difficult to realize someone next to you is playing music.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      I do the same. Works well with the right earplugs. If you do this often, it may pay off to experiment a little.

    • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:19AM (#58582296) Journal
      It's...not precisely...comparable to drug store earplugs on price; but there's a product specifically for the purpose you describe: 'in-ear monitors'. Designed for musician types who need to be able to hear what is going on; but not go deaf while standing right next to a speaker system designed to feel loud to the entire crowd.

      Essentially a quality set of earbuds embedded in a set of ear plugs(usually custom fitted, either by an audiologist or with a 'fit forms into your ears, mail back to us' kit); intended to strongly attenuate outside noise and allow a suitable mix of stage audio, at safe volume, to be piped in through the earbuds so that the musician can still coordinate with the rest of the band.

      Also tend to have the virtue of being designed to be inconspicuous, since it's considered a trifle incongruous to see a musician wearing earplugs while playing; though the reasons are sound. And, since the earbuds are integral to the design, very little bleed outward.
      • by Strider- ( 39683 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @07:41AM (#58582424)

        Bingo. I once spent 3 months bouncing around Iraq on helicopters every other day. I wore Shure IEMs and was able to listen to my iPod at 25% volume, even when sitting in the hurricane seat on a Blackhawk.

        IEMs are infinitely better than "Noise Cancelling" as they even work to silence that screaming baby two rows back on the airplane.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Noise cancelling headphones are easier to remove or pause if you need to listen to something external, like someone you need to talk to.

      Also you don't annoy your seat neighbour by turning your cans up to 11.

      • Also you don't annoy your seat neighbour by turning your cans up to 11.

        Yeah but fuck them, they should get their own noise cancelling solution lol

  • Firstly, they're beats. I hate to say it, but at least for aviation, Bose's headsets are FAR in front of others in terms of noise cancellation, and I'm guessing their Quiet Comforts are too.

    Apple and Beats work hand-in-hand because they are marketing brands whose survival relies on clever marketing.

    • by Dog-Cow ( 21281 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @06:47AM (#58582154)

      Apple and Beats work hand-in-hand because Apple owns Beats.

    • by Depili ( 749436 )
      I can confirm that the noise cancellation on a pair of bose headphones is excellent, then again they are more than 500e for the pair... Never go with the trendy brands for headphones, trust the ones used by audio techs :)
    • Beats can call me again as soon as dr. dre gets his degree in electroaccustics. Until then, get beats when you want something that's looking good

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Sony noise cancelling is as good as Bose. But personally I use a cheaper pair of over-ear cans that simply block external noise - AKG Y50BTs. They are a fraction of the price (which is good because I'm not worried about them getting damaged or lost all the time) and very comfortable.

      They are easy to clean too. I get sweaty ears, and they have leather (faux?) pads that you can just wipe down. They fold up nice and small too.

  • In the last couple of years, I've gotten extremely sensitive to noise. I think it's due to age, plus the fact that we've got a five-year old that is obsessed with the sound of their voice. So there's the family, and there's work, and there's needing some goddamn silence.

    I've tried a number of things to reduce input. Simply adding music to the mix only made things worse. Noise cancellation barely helps with talking, as the article mentions. I've found that there are throw-away earplugs from 3M, called E-A-Rs

    • by aevan ( 903814 )
      (also not wanting to shill for 3M but) I would just put on a pair of earbuds for music, and then slip over them a set of peltor ear defenders to tune out the noisy bratling. No need to crank the music, and it helps with what noise gets past the 'muffs. They have ones with built in music, but I was just using the ones I had for work so made due...and it did wonders. Truly a (kid's) life saver.
  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @06:56AM (#58582190)

    Engineering tells you they cannot be perfect and that the effect gets less with higher frequencies. Marketing calls that "noise canceling" and it does. It just cancels only a part of the noise.

    As always, you need to find out a bit about the product type and specific product to know what you get. After all, that new aftershave does not turn you into an instant chick-magnet in actual reality either and that soft-drink does not really blow your mind.

  • I have the Sony WH-1000XM3 Bluetooth Noise Cancelling headphones and am very happy with it.

    At no moment I expected that I would not hear anything.

    But the effect in planes and trains is close to magical. I can turn down the music volume drastically (from full down to 1/3rd) when I am using those headphones. I do not hear the engines any more but a stewardess can still initiate a communication without yelling.

    I also use the headphones without any music when a colleague in my office is doing a conference call.

  • Any idiot that would spend that kind of money on headphones is the kind of idiot that doesn't do his research before buying them.
  • Sure, not 100%, but I think that would actually make them less useful. I wear my Plantronics noise-cancelling headphones every day on my commute. Its 90 minutes when I can focus on my music, the video I am watching or whatever I have running on the phone. Before, I heard what the person next to me was yapping about with his girlfriend on the phone, the sounds of the bus and other annoyances. Still, when I walk I hear enough traffic noise to be able to hear when something is coming even if I dont pay full a
  • Buying Beats and expecting a quality product, then being surprised it's crap, is funny. Also stupid, but mostly funny.

    • by guruevi ( 827432 )

      It "beats" a Bose as far as build and sound quality is concerned. Still too expensive for a pair of headphones, the $15 work just as well, there is no special circuitry that make one better than the other.

  • If you have that much money to throw at noise cancelling headphones then maybe you should research before buying them and claiming they don't work as advertised.

    For instance, based on hundreds of reviews, Sony WH-1000XM3 headphones do their job near perfectly.

  • I too have found noise cancelling headsets less than adequate.

    I suffer from tinnitus and know from experience that any loud noise for an extended period of time will cause my ears to ring for days. I put buds in my ears, then put sound proofing earmuffs over my buds. Now I can dial the music or audionbook down to a comfortable level and not hear any of the crying babies, plane roar, or lawn mower noise. To top it off I save $200.

    Proper earmuffs take up some luggage space, but they are "the right tool for

  • And the active noise cancelling is good for low frequencies. Both don't work well for the other range.
    So you need big headphones with foam around the ears, plus active noise cancellation, to blind out the noises around you.
  • "Noise Cancelling" You keep using that phrase... I don't think it means what you THINK it means....

    How well your noise cancelling headphones work varies greatly between designs, and none of them are 100% effective. I cannot speak for the Beats brand, or the specific model the author is complaining about, but there are LOTS of cheap "sort of works, mostly doesn't" implementations out there at all price points.

    I will say though, that in my experience, noise cancelling is largely frequency dependent. Most

  • My over ear closed headphones cancel noise quite well. I'm working with table saw and router and similar equipment and I can comfortably listen to music while doing it.

    I mean of course I steal hear the machines... what bozo would expect otherwise? If not over the ears themselves, the noise travels through your bones as well and you will always be aware of it. The question is can you enjoy your music?

    If you can't, then you probably have the wrong headphones for you. And there I can only say welcome to the cl

  • Slow news cycle today?

  • They should work when the noise is repetitive such as engine noise. Then the noise signal can be determined and then the noise can be canceled by injecting it in to the original signal with a phase shifted 180 degrees. This should subtract the repetitive noise from the signal. Since speech and to a lesser extent music is random it will not be cancelled and what is left is what you are trying to hear. When the noise is random, there is no way to determine a 180 degree out of phase noise signal.
  • I never thought of doing a thorough analysis of the noise cancelling capabilities of my WH-1000XM2. I got this rather than Bose QC for its "voice focus" mode (not enabled by default, you need to check a box in the app).

    It just happened that as I was reading the article somebody started a vacuum or a drill machine, so it was perfect time to test what the article says. Sure enough, the drill noise was gone, the A/C noise was gone, but the clink of dishes in the kitchen was pretty audible, as were voices (alth

  • Why waste $200? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by archer, the ( 887288 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @08:34AM (#58582676)
    Monoprice has Active Noise Cancelling Bluetooth headphones for $70, or wired for $60. I use the wired pair whenever I fly. To my ears, they are just as good as the $250 Bose pair my wife bought. Disclaimers: I am not an audiophile. I don't have any hearing loss.
  • I've owned various Bose NC headphones/earbuds for years. I have poor sound discrimination. If I'm in a crowded airport and I want to hear the person beside me, I'll put on some NC headphones to narrow my audio field, works a treat. I don't need total sound isolation, I could use earplugs for that (and sometimes do). I want to be able to hear some of my environment (car horns, my kid yelling for me, etc), I just want to only hear the things that are immediately important to me

    So at least for me, feature,

  • by Camembert ( 2891457 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @09:03AM (#58582864)
    I need to travel quite regularly intercontinentally and a good recipe, for me at least, to sleep during such flights is to use both earplugs and bose QC25 headphones (without music input, just the phones). The result is a really well dampened environment noise.
    Otherwise for normal use the Bose is nice to better appreciate the audio no matter the background noise, without needing to pump up the volume. The Bose is also warm and pleasant sounding. Mind, I heard audiophile headsets by Oppo (defunct now I think) and Stax that cost a lot more and are indeed noticeably more musical still, yet the benefit of the noise reduction system is for me bigger, except if you only listen at home.
  • by gnasher719 ( 869701 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @09:03AM (#58582866)
    "Noise cancelling" headphones work by measuring the noise arriving from your surroundings, and producing an opposite signal that tries to cancel out that noise. That's the difference to isolating headphones which work by isolating you from the outside.

    Noise cancelling is most important for open headphones, which are more comfortable to wear than closed ones, but are impossible to isolate. (Good old Sennheiser, selling noise cancelling headphones for many decades).

    And their claim is absolutely correct: They cancel out the noise. It's not perfect. Nothing is perfect.
  • Help (Score:5, Funny)

    by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @09:04AM (#58582872)
    When I put the headphones on I still hear the dead people.
  • by OneHundredAndTen ( 1523865 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @09:08AM (#58582902)
    Those headphones that sell for $200+ are suckers. You can buy headphones that perform very similarly, and, just as relevant for suckers, that look very similar, for a small fraction of the price - I know, having tried with both types. Sure, the $200+ headphones provide a better experience, but only marginally so - most certainly not several times better.
  • by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @09:19AM (#58582956) Journal
    You probably also obsess about "unlimited" things being not unlimited, don't you? :)
  • by deadweight ( 681827 ) on Monday May 13, 2019 @11:32AM (#58583814)
    No one with 1/4 of a brain ever thought "noise cancelling" was the same as 100% soundproof. What they do accomplish is significantly reducing low frequency noise. The headphone shell and insulation are effective proportionally to frequency. Running at cruise RPM - say 2200-2400 RPM, there is a lot of low frequency prop, engine, and airframe noise that really gets old on a long flight. The noise cancelling does a really good job eliminating that.
  • I gave up on noise canceling headphones years ago. Recently, I bought some good ear muffs for hearing protection while I mow the lawn. They just happened to include a bluetooth headset, which happened to have excellent quality.

    They're so good, I use them when I fly, and even when I'm in an office situation. A lot of people will start talking to me, and I can't hear them at all if the music is at a normal volume. It's surprising that a $50 ear protection can outperform a high-priced set of bluetooth noise canceling headphones, but sometimes simpler is better.

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