We Won't Be Listening To Music in a Decade According To Vinod Khosla (techcrunch.com) 246
In the future, we won't be listening to our favorite bands or artists, we'll be listening to custom made sounds that are tailored to our mood. At least, that's what billionaire venture capitalist Vinod Khosla believes. From a report: "I actually think 10 years from now, you won't be listening to music," is a thing venture capitalist Vinod Khosla said onstage today during a fireside chat at Creative Destruction Lab's second annual Super Session event. Instead, he believes we'll be listening to custom song equivalents that are automatically designed specifically for each individual, and tailored to their brain, their listening preferences and their particular needs.
In 10 years? (Score:5, Funny)
"I actually think 10 years from now, you won't be listening to music," is a thing venture capitalist Vinod Khosla said onstage today during a fireside chat at Creative Destruction Lab's second annual Super Session event.
In 10 years? They haven't been making music since the 70s! What they call "music" these days is nothing but noise! Now get off my lawn!
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I was thinking they haven't been making music since more like the '50s. Just after Bach died.
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Seems they were already triggered... just not in that way....
Terminal man? (Score:3)
SO when i'm anxious I will hear discordant drones like I'm in Inception or Bladerunner 2049?
And when I'm edgy, it'll be all psycho jump scare music?
Or will is go the other way and try to reverse my mood? So like THX1138 I'll be arrested for Music evasion if I don't listen to the right music to correct my aberrant moods.
Maybe music will become punishment/correctional too. You can serve 5 years in solitary confiment or 6 months of Beegees and Abba.
Will it develop a self reinforcing psychosis or perpetual ni
Like a Windam hotel (Score:2)
Where the elevator and hallways have this never ending brian eno sound track you can't escape.
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SO when i'm anxious I will hear discordant drones like I'm in Inception or Bladerunner 2049?
Ironically, that's just a 1960's ballad slowed down until it turns into classical music [youtube.com] and some good old jazz. [youtube.com]
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People already do this with music. They have headphones or earbuds in all the time, changing through their playlists to set the mood, etc.
Re: In 10 years? (Score:2, Informative)
I bet that I will listen to music in 10 years, and also bet I will never listen to this Vinpoop or whatever his name is.
Stamp out ACI in 10 years (Score:5, Funny)
My hope is that in 10 years a cure for Anal Cranial Inversion (ACI) can be found. It's just sad to see someone like Vinod Khosla suffer from this condition.
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My hope is that in 10 years a cure for Anal Cranial Inversion (ACI) can be found.
Wow. Anal. Cranial. Inversion. as we say in talk.bizarre, "Band name, rights, mine!"
"GOOD EVENING MALONES, we are ANAL.. CRANIAL.. INVERSION... from South Central Poland... rot.. in... HELL!" (noise ensues)
Re:In 10 years? (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, the 80's were the pinnacle of music.
Source: That's when I grew up so it must be an objective fact!
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Actually, the 80's were the pinnacle of music.
Source: That's when I grew up so it must be an objective fact!
Whats the greatest album of the 80s?
Peter Gabriel III (Score:2)
King Crimson's Discipline, U2's The Joshua Tree, Paul Simon's Graceland and Jane's Addiction's Nothing's Shocking are also acceptable answers.
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King Crimson's Discipline, U2's The Joshua Tree, Paul Simon's Graceland and Jane's Addiction's Nothing's Shocking are also acceptable answers.
Yes. Notable collaborative overlaps here: Eno and Lanois worked with Gabriel & U2 and Fripp/Crismo. Tony Levin payed with Paul Simon, King Crimson, Gabriel. Jane's Addiction is a worthy wild card.
As I recall, the REM was Rolling Stone's cover for the band of the decade for the 1980's at some point.... which had really bummed me out when you consider the quality of your picks. I'd also like to add the often overlooked XTC and Elvis Costello.
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Dieterich Buxtehude – Membra Jesu Nostri
You did mean 1680, right?
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Not possible. Dark side of the Moon was released in the 70s!
I have hereby debunked your objective fact with a better fact.
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There are still women in the industry that aren't stunningly attractive.
Ever seen Stefani Germanotta when she's not specifically trying to be sleazy or outlandish? Additionally Adele Adkins isn't exactly the modern definition of beauty.
Everyone in this industry has an angle, a gimmick. For many their looks are their gimmick. For some it's voice, for others it's sheer chutzpah.
I just wish that Adele wouldn't keep trying to sing up out of her range. It seems like everything after, "Rolling In The Deep," g
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"I actually think 10 years from now, you won't be listening to music," is a thing venture capitalist Vinod Khosla said onstage today during a fireside chat at Creative Destruction Lab's second annual Super Session event.
In 10 years? They haven't been making music since the 70s! What they call "music" these days is nothing but noise! Now get off my lawn!
70s? I thought 80s and early 90s were good. Since then, though, not so much
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The Nineties in music was constant playing of the Spice Girls, and everyone declaring that the chart ratings were a joke because Mr Blobby came top.
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Pretty much, it was somewhere in the mid to late '90s where the system changed in a way that pretty much destroyed mainstream music. Sure even today there is good music out there, but it's mostly indie and not necessarily something that's going to have a widespread appeal.
This is similar to the changes that have come as a result of cable TV becoming the norm. When there were only a half dozen channels to choose from, it was much more likely that a shared experience could be had across most of the country. F
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, it was somewhere in the mid to late '90s where the system changed in a way that pretty much destroyed mainstream music.
Let me guess, you became an adult in the early-to-mid 90s?
Let me guess, (Score:5, Insightful)
stupid is "investing" into a great startup that will generate the said tunes and is setting up an "exit" by peddling it to even more stupid.
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But, but... he's a BILLIONAIRE and a VENTURE CAPITALIST, so he must be listened to about everything!
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This is completely off topic, but - a few weeks ago my tinnitus was going off like the Geiger counters in "Chernobyl", and i sniffed - and it paused for a couple of seconds. i sniffed harder and it vanished for a few minutes. your mileage may vary.
Seems unlikely (Score:5, Insightful)
First of all: They built a "post" around a quote that's less than a single sentence? wtf
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Maybe. If he's referring to AI-generated music, I could see that. But it's not going to be something like amorphous patterns that just have a "feel" to them-- part of the reason listening to music is pleasurable is because it is largely recognizable. Unfortunately I don't know which he's referring to because this article is complete crap.
Of course so is most pop music for quite a while now.
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Even birds know that much, what's with the guy in the quote?!
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Just another rich dude wanting to not pay artists (Score:5, Insightful)
What a [ insert favorite curse phrase here ]
Re:Just another rich dude wanting to not pay artis (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah; I don't think so dude. I want to hear music created by real intelligence, not support your effort to cut humanity out of music creation.
What a [ insert favorite curse phrase here ]
It reminds me of the production manager at a company I worked for. He believed in Evolved Music. He didn't just think, "hey, this is what I like, don't judge," instead he insisted that in the future this is what music is going to sound like. He made this music himself. On a keyboard.
It sounded like mating elephants being disturbed by hippos.
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I want to hear music created by real intelligence
If that's what you're after then effectively his prediction was just ahead of its time. Music these days is crafted through a formula. A large part of that formula is mixing irrelevant junk with the familiar, e.g. a forgettable nothing rap with a chorus of a crazy song that doesn't make any sense in the context of the song, ... assuming the song has context in the first place. Or better still just make some noise and then add a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
just like Beach Access, eh? (Score:5, Informative)
Isn't this the same guy who figured people really don't need access to the coast, but HE does?
Re:just like Beach Access, eh? (Score:5, Funny)
We especially won't be able to listen to the Beach Boys.
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I'm picking up bad vibrations. This Vinod dude gives me disgustations.
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He's just trying to retcon selling off his music collection to cover the fines [mercurynews.com]:
I hope that's not true (Score:2)
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The other day I stumbled across Lèpoka, which is a spanish folk metal band with celtic influences. I guarantee that AI is never going to look at anyone's mood and go, "looks like spanish folk metal with celtic influences, I'll whip some of that up". However, that is a super fun band, and I definitely now have a mood which includes it.
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The other day I stumbled across Lèpoka, which is a spanish folk metal band with celtic influences.
WELL there's my music for today.
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Songs tailored to our mood? So, we won't listen to anything that could expand our thought or emotional universe? Sounds like some kind of dystopian society.
You're starting to catch on.
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*speaking into wristwatch* - " I've got one that can see!"
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Welcome to Earth, Alien Overlord.
Consume! Conform! Obey!
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I'm out of bubblegum.
Re: I hope that's not true (Score:2)
I dunno. Music that's tuned to my brain - sounds like Black Sabbath to me.
So, 'music'? (Score:3)
"Instead, he believes we'll be listening to custom song equivalents"
Y'mean, like, music?
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"The White House is saying that the President has not suffered a stroke, but rather 'a temporary problem with blood flow in the head'."
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Simple Disproof (Score:3)
Disproof: It's unshareable. A large part of the music experience is the social and identity aspects.
This is what happens when the hyper-wealthy, cushioned from anyone daring to tell them bad news, get lost in the echo chamber.
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This was my first thought. I don't doubt there will be a market for computer-generated personalized processed music-like audio product (much like edible products that are not food in any traditional sense), but listening to music is also something people do together, creating a shared experience that connects people, and even shared heros and inspirations.
My biggest goal in life (Score:5, Insightful)
I am going to start working hard to be cool enough to some day, some day be invited to something called "Creative Destruction Lab's Super Session" event.
Oh, and not for nothing but this Khosla character is the tool who tried to bring down California's public beach access law, for the entire state. He knew about public beach access before he bought the land, but threw a tantrum and when on suing everyone he could think of. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinod_Khosla#Martins_Beach_dispute) including
Speaking of lawsuits, his venture firm bet badly on ethanol tech and is being sued themselves (http://fortune.com/kior-vinod-khosla-clean-tech/)
He had some solid credibility as a co-founder of Sun Microsystems, but left after 2 years to get into VC work. I won't fault the guy, his choices have netted him $2.7 billion more than I have. However it seems like he got in early, happened to be on the right team, made out like a bandit, and has coasted on the benefits of compounding interest available to billionaires over the past 30 years. But there is nothing to suggest that he knows anything about anything in 2019
There already is music for every mood (Score:2)
In 10 years... (Score:5, Insightful)
In 10 years I hope we learn not to listen to Vinod Khosla.
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In 10 years I hope we learn not to listen to Vinod Khosla.
Why wait?
In an alternate, happier timeline ... (Score:2)
Re:In an alternate, happier timeline ... (Score:5, Insightful)
For once, I'm ahead of the curve. I'm not listening to what he believes now!
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My neither, I'm just here looking for an opening to plug my favorite kpop band.
This guy can't even sing and dance. How is he going to change music if he can't even act cute enough to get on a Korean variety show?!
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meh (Score:2)
This is the same asshole who tried to make a public beach his own by buying the land around it and closing easements.
What is my mood? (Score:3)
Generally I use music to change my mood. How do they or even I know what mood I want to end up in?
Who and Why? (Score:3)
Who is this idiot and why is this important enough to be on the front page? What makes this idiots option something I should pay attention too?
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Who is this idiot and why is this important enough to be on the front page? What makes this idiots option something I should pay attention too?
There's quite a complex legitimate answer to your rant:
a) Slashdot is a news aggregation. What goes on the front page are things submitted by randoms on the internet and put there by other randoms on the internet who are paid to convert submissions to posts.
b) One should always pay attention to the opinions of others, that way you can learn something. If not about then about the people. If you analyse what was being said with music industry trends you can see we're not that far from that reality already. Th
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One should always pay attention to the opinions of others
So, you are saying we should pay attention to every crack pot with an option? Sorry, my time is to valuable for that. I see no reason to waste it listening to the crackpot ravings of some contrail nut, or flat earther. There are some people who's option is not worth listening to, period.
Being a billionaire doesn't make him right (Score:2)
People have been listening to music created by others since.... well... there have been other people to listen to. This behavior in humans is many hundreds of thousands of years or possibly even millions of years old (depending on when one agrees that humanity started).
I think it is safe to say that this behavior is not going anywhere.
Computer-generated music is still music (Score:3)
Also, it completely overlooks the fact that many people listen to music because of the celebrity attached to it. Typically a cute girl/boy, or a tough looking guy.
Take Justin Bieber for instance, his music is unremarkable, but people loved it or hated it because of the man what he represents. People want celebrities. Just look at animation movies, they recruit famous actors to do the voice acting, just so that there is a familiar name on the poster.
The closest to the idea of computer generated popular music I can think of would be Hatsune Miku. A computer generated idol with a synthetic voice, the actual artists behind her remaining largely anonymous, they could conceivably be replaced by AIs in the future. But the thing is: Hatsune Miku is more than 10 years old and the idea is still niche. And while she may be virtual, she is still an idol, and she still gets people together in concerts.
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First of all, I don't really listen to music anymore since about 20 years.
I have quite an iTunes collection, though, but don't really listen to anything either.
My CDs I gave to my father.
The only celebrity I more or less listend to because I considered her hot was Whitney Houston, but that crush ended around 1993 ... or so.
That said: for 90% of the music I listen, have bought, I have absolutely no clue how the people/band looks like or how their names are. The only exceptions are U2, where I remember Bono,
And none of it will be as good as (Score:2, Informative)
4'33" by John Cage.
AI Nutters (Score:3)
And people wonder why I hate AI Nutters. Nutters are so annoying.
Really? (Score:4, Insightful)
music is a deep discipline (Score:2, Interesting)
Previously in my career I've heard otherwise smart people say things about music that are silly in big forums. Most everyone likes music and they know what they like so why wouldn't they feel free to opine on something about music? Google announces that a computer composes Bach sound-alikes that any musician can hear is a trivial ditty that lasts a couple measures, sounding vaguely like a four-part harmony. Visual artists must similarly cringe at computer generated art. Fine arts require human intellige
It's cute that he thinks this. (Score:2)
Nope! (Score:2)
Nothing generated by artificial intelligence will replace Beethoven's "9th Symphony", Bruch's "Scottish Fantasy", Boccherini's "Quintet No.4", any of J. S. Bach's Brandenburg concerti, Bizet's "Carmen", or hundreds of other works that are over 100 years old. Yes, there are also more recent but very durable compositions, including selections from "Cats", "Westside Story", "Oklahoma", the Beetles, Orff, Scott Joplin, Rachmaninoff, etc.
How much music that was a hit 10 years ago is still being performed today?
This has been explored ... ironically (Score:2)
This was the theme ironically of a completely original song:
Pink Beetles in a Purple Zeppelin - Arjen Anthony Lucassen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
How is it possible. (Score:2)
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Because capitalism does not reward insight or actual skill. One of its core problems.
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If you know "how", making money is easy. ...
After all they are not working for it
You are working for your money, that is why you don't have much.
That is of course complete nonsense (Score:2)
But I am sure this person wants to sell us something. Best just ignore the used-car salesperson type.
custom sounds (Score:2)
we'll be listening to custom made sounds that are tailored to our mood
This just makes me think of people who love ASMR and just talk about tingles over and over.
Human music (Score:2)
Human music is estimated to date back almost 40,000 years. I have high confidence it will outlast Vinod.
Necron69
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actually that date is of 40,000 year old instruments in europe that were pretty sophisticated and with the arrival of modern humans, so likely more primitive ones existed before. Singing could be hundreds of thousands of years old.
Is good music all about emotion? (Score:2)
Many of the artists and producers I listen to and watch proclaim that the quality of all "good music" is its ability to tap into human emotion. In that context, it's interesting to ponder this guy's suggestion: If an AI could simply read your emotions then poop out a song into your ears, would you then be listening only to "good music?"
Personally, I think the emotion must come from the artist/performer, which in some cases meshes with listeners' emotions. Such complexity, especially that of learning to like
Vinod Khosla is an idiot (Score:3)
How high is this guy? (Score:2)
This is the kind of statement generally made by people smoking weed in their basement.
Where did this whole billionaire futurist stoner archetype come from anyhow? Is this Elon Musk's fault?
Typo (Score:2)
"We won't be listening to Vinod Khosla in a Decade, According to Music."
FTFY.
One thing is certain: we won't be listening to Vin (Score:2)
One thing is certain: we won't be listening to Vinod Khosla in a decade. Dude got lucky a couple of times, it's not like he can predict the future.
Regardless of source, is the thought sound? (Score:2)
Human produced music won't go away, though its value could be radically reduced. If nothing else, some will always make music themselves - though I think someone transported from 60 years ago to today would be shocked at how few people are actively taught how to read music and sing as children today.
I have no doubt that the AI part of this prediction will eventually happen. It isn't a new idea and doesn't require much of a futurist to predict. Many have already been working on the basic maths involved. By b
Vinod Khosla (Score:2)
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brought to you by the folks ..... (Score:2)
Music is a lot about who wrote it (Score:3)
The mans an idiot. A lot of people listen to music because they are interested in the character that made it. Many people are interested in others than different personalities than themselves. People want to listen to music therefore written by someone else, not designed around their own personality.
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No it's about who performed it. The vast majority of hits these days are written by a handful of people by a predefined successful formula. And you can tell.
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The mans an idiot.
This may be an artifact of "any PR is good PR." We probably wouldn't be talking about this if he had made a normal statement.
People want to listen to music therefore written by someone else, not designed around their own personality.
FWIW, I've got a dozen or two channels designed around my personality (personalities?) on Pandora.
Music is the best (Score:2)
Information is not knowledge.
Knowledge is not wisdom.
Wisdom is not truth.
Truth is not beauty.
Beauty is not love.
Love is not music.
Music is the best.
FZ
Here's what happened.... (Score:2)
Here's what I think happened. Elon Musk invited Vinod Khosla over. After smoking a bit too many of Elon's giant blunts the two started binge watching Rick and Morty. When they got to the "M. Night Shaym-Aliens!" episode Vinod couldn't help but think the Earth Music that Jerry was listening to was brilliant.
Link to the Human Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Yeah he's obviously an idiot (Score:2)
But forgetting for a moment about the massive number of ways in which he's wrong there's one way he could be right.
One reason I listen to music isn't for enjoyment, it's to help me focus and eliminate distractions at work.
For this specific use-case, AI generated instrumental music that is actually responding to active feedback of something about my physiology could actually be pretty effective.
Or even not generated music, if it could figure out something enough about my current mood and mental state to choo
Read Between The Lines (Score:2)
Mr.Khosla is a prominent figure in the valley VC circuit. Anything he says should be taken in that light. He is either funding startups in the custom music business, or he is inviting such proposals for funding.
Do you have an idea in customized music? This would be the right time to get that pitch deck ready.
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I doubt I'll even be listening to different music than I do now!
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