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Steve Krutzler writes "TrekWeb can break the news STAR TREK producer Rick Berman has confirmed that work on a new STAR TREK feature film project has begun. Speaking in the new Dreamwatch magazine, Berman describes it cryptically as a "prequel" and says he's working with two other producers on the project."
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Berman Confirms Star Trek Prequel Film Project

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  • by andyrut (300890) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:51PM (#8941706) Homepage Journal
    I'd be very interested to know if this is going to be a prequel to The Next Generation or to the original Star Trek series. Considering the last number of films were based on TNG, I would personally find it odd to go back to the original series at this point.

    Still, the article only refers to STAR TREK, which would indicate that perhaps Kirk and not Picard might be our captain in this one. At least it would be a welcome change from Priceline.com adverts and Miss Congeniality 2 [imdb.com] for William Shatner.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      What you're describing is more or less an ST:Enterprise-era film right?
    • by UWC (664779) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:56PM (#8941801)
      And then there's Enterprise. But it's not over, which I guess would generally mean no movie yet.

      It would be pretty hard to do a prequel to the original series without new actors, unfortunately, and Generations pretty much voided any chance of a TNG prequel with the original crew.

      There are two other series. A DS9 prequel might actually be interesting.

      And then there's the chance that this is a prequel to all of this, but Enterprise seems pretty early in the Trek timeline. Hard to imagine anything interesting happening before that with the Vulcans watching and all.
      • > Generations pretty much voided any chance of a TNG prequel with the original crew.

        -nod- Besides, much of the crew was meeting for the first time in Encounter at Farpoint, so it would be tough to do anything with all the familiar characters together that was set earlier than that.
        • Besides, much of the crew was meeting for the first time in Encounter at Farpoint, so it would be tough to do anything with all the familiar characters together that was set earlier than that.

          No problem. Working title:

          Star Trek: RETCON.
        • much of the crew was meeting for the first time in Encounter at Farpoint, so it would be tough to do anything with all the familiar characters together that was set earlier than that.

          You mean you expect the various story lines to be consistent! That has never stopped Berman and company before. Why would they care now?

      • by Strange Ranger (454494) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:16PM (#8942071)
        > but Enterprise seems pretty early in the Trek timeline

        But this is Star Trek. Discussing any "timeline" is like speculating a dice roll.

        Anybody who cares enough about continuity probably gave up on the Star Trek universe awhile back. Worf magically reappearing in his old job on the Enterprise after being promoted to chief of security for an entire space station (DS9) was the last straw for me. They could've at least come up with something, welcome him back for cross training or something, but no, there he was, like he never left.

        Berman is to Star Trek as Eisner is to Disney. And Gene and Walt are wretching in their graves.
        • Berman is to Star Trek as Eisner is to Disney. And Gene and Walt are wretching in their graves.

          Originally Walt really was cryogenically frozen, but then there was that terrible day, very much like the Eddie sequence in Rocky Horror Picture Show.

      • by Dachannien (617929) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:17PM (#8942080)
        "And then there's the chance that this is a prequel to all of this, but Enterprise seems pretty early in the Trek timeline. Hard to imagine anything interesting happening before that with the Vulcans watching and all."

        They already made that movie. It was called Star Trek: First Contact [imdb.com]. Unless.....

        Star Trek: Attack of the Boring Vulcan Ambassador Clones!

        • by erpbridge (64037) <<steve> <at> <erpbridge.com>> on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:55PM (#8944214) Journal
          Dammit, Man! Why'd you have to go and give away next season's plotline?

          Actually, I think you may be closer than you think. According to timelines I heard when enterprise was coming out, they said the first Romulan war should take place about seasons 4-6 of Enterprise. Well, we're at the end of season 3.

          It's possible that, if Enterprise actually does get canned (nothing final on that yet, although very heavy speculation), they may make the Romulan war the prequel movie. That, and it'll almost fit in with Nemesis and its heavy Romulan themes.
      • by cshark (673578) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:20PM (#8942115)
        If I were a betting man, I would predict that this is probably an Enterprise movie. Especially if Enterprise dissapears next season like I keep hearing about on the web. Remember when the first plot leaks were coming out, everyone refered to it as "the prequel." Maybe that's paramount speak for the whole series. It could be interesting. Especially if they mess with the whole star trek time line sending the whole continuity into peril again. The time warps just keep getting better and bettter. I would love to see a movie devoted to the great star trek time warp.
        • by Jerf (17166) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @04:13PM (#8942913) Journal
          I would love to see a movie devoted to the great star trek time warp.

          You mean, other then Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Generations, and Star Trek: First Contact? And pretty much the entire run of Voyager?

          "Time Warping" is the worst problem with Star Trek. You can't build drama because nothing is ever at stake that won't be wiped away by next week's time travel episode or movie. That problem alone is enough to sink the series; the entire concept has devolved into some of the worst "collaborative writing" I've ever seen. (Ever done a "collaborative novel" online? The resulting continuity trainwreck bears an uncomfortable resemblence to Star Trek now...)
    • Prolly Not TNG (Score:4, Interesting)

      by millahtime (710421) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:02PM (#8941893) Homepage Journal
      This probubally won't be anything to do with TNG. They had pretty much said they were done with that cast and the movies. Plus the last one didn't do that great at the box office.

      Before Kirk there were 2 wars they might cover. One with the Klingons and one with the Romulins. This could provide for some action

      Another scenario they had talked about was doing a movie of the Excelusier and Chekov (yes I know I butchered the name)
    • Willian Shatner pushes Kelloggs' All-Bran [ericgiguere.com] these days. (Okay, pushes, wrong word!) Still, with the aging Trekkie demographic, perhaps not a bad choice.
    • by spineboy (22918) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:07PM (#8941961) Journal
      Like Capt. CHristopher Pike! - the guy in the weird motorized wheelchair, with the 2 lights - one for yes and one for no. Maybe they could show how he got into that mess. He seemed to be a good, kick ass, ask questions later type of capt. who got alot of 'poon. Picard was a little too wishy-washy for me. Plus I've met a few high ranking Navy guys (Admirals, etc) and they're much more like Kirk, not like Picard.

      Lets face it - we NEED a show with some good space battles, NO cutesy-poo whimps like Wesley, or that Hyena-freak on Voyager. The eugenics wars when Kahn came into power would also be very good to cover - much of the Earth was trashed.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:56PM (#8942690)
      Maybe it's set Pre-First Contact, in the far future of 2006. Scientists establish contact with a planet on the opposite side of the galaxy. The original borg [microsoft.com] think this is the perfect chance to assimilate the first known alien species. They succeed in transmitting their software before the communication link is destroyed. At the end of the movie the heroes can have a conversation like this.

      Captain: "Number one, you don't suppose we should write all this down, do you?"

      First mate: "Why would we want to do that?"

      Captain: "Well, what if some time in the future people might want to know these borg things still exist."

      First mate: "Who would want to know that?"

      Captain: "Well. Maybe if our first space exploration vessel runs into two of them, they might want to know what they're dealing with. Or if the fleet flagship was flung across the galaxy by an omnipotent being and brought face to face with these things. Or if the captain of that ship is perfectly fine for years, even helping out the borg a few times, and then for no apparent reason develops a Moby Dick-like obsession with them. Or perhaps another space ship could be flung across the galaxy by another near-omnipotent being and the captain of that ship could end up in a contest with the borg queen to determine who has the bigger ego."

      First mate: "You're drunk, aren't you?"

      Captain: "Like a skunk."

      First mate: "Besides, wouldn't that first exploration vessel record their contact with the borg? Then that fleet flagship would know what they were facing. That would be the smart thing to do."

      Captain: "Somebody else's problem. I like it. Have a drink."

      Or maybe not. At least that would finally explain why the borg had an unhealthy obsession with Earth.
    • Could have somthing to do with Patrick Stewart swearing not to do another one....
  • Prequel? Oh boy... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jrj102 (87650) * on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:51PM (#8941708) Homepage
    While the typos and spelling errors in the article were entertaining ("STAR TRKE" and "the future of their first series remains in limo") I'm not sure what to make of this. When they talk "prequel" are they talking about Pre-Enterprise? It seems like any earlier and there wouldn't be much opportunity to explore other species, etc. Can a Star Trek movie without existing characters/actors be successful? I mean Nemesis [slashdot.org], which was based on the much-loved TNG crew, made about $53 at the box office. (OK, that might be a slightly low estimate.)

    I think a Starfleet Academy movie (mentioned in the article) could be compelling, but I'm losing interest in the whole franchise. I'd like to see another season of Enterprise despite the fact that it's a fairly weak show (in my opinion) but I think that Gene Roddenberry's vision is running out of gas without his input. I have mixed feelings: on one hand, Trek has gotten pretty lame, and it is probably time for them to stop producing it for a while, but on the other hand I'd miss even bad Trek... Is bad Trek better than no Trek at all? Am I even making any sense? :)

    Drooling fanboys will be happy to read this line from the article, though:

    "...insiders suggest Berman and/or Braga might take a reduced role in a fourth season of ENTERPRISE, though this is entirely speculation."

    --- JRJ
    • Enterprise (Score:4, Insightful)

      by addie (470476) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:03PM (#8941914)
      While I do read /. everyday, and I am very aware that the general relevant population doesn't think much of Enterprise, I have to respectfully disagree. Take last night's new episode as an example: Archer attacked and stormed a totally innocent ship because he needed their warp coil; T-Pol turns out to be a drug addict! These are things that NEVER would have happend on the original Trek or on TNG. The writers are finally writing morally fallible characters, and I for one am thrilled.

      That said, a prequel has MUCH more potential to be good than another sequel. They can have the Klingons be evil again (who wouldn't want that?). Technology wouldn't be as advanced, which makes easy-outs of plot points harder to resolve, and hence more interesting. The federation isn't as strong, which also opens up more complex plot possibilities.

      I think this is the best announcement for Trek fans in years. Nemesis was simply awful, and I'd hate to see the Data v2 re-learning how to paint, play violin, or some such garbage. Old can sometimes be new again!
    • by spellraiser (764337) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:03PM (#8941915) Journal

      Prequel, huh?

      There are only two words that spring to mind when I hear that word:

      EPISODE.ONE

      The horror, the horror ...

    • by Monkelectric (546685) <slashdot@@@monkelectric...com> on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:18PM (#8942096)
      Well nemesis made that 53$ because it SUCKED. In an interview berman said "We made a great movie." Obviously he's delusional, Nemesis was a waste of perfectly good FILM.

      What I'd like to see: a compelling movie about Q. Think about it, the first episode of TNG -- we meet the Q race who puts humanity on trial, the *last* episode of TNG, Q puts humanity on trial *again*, picard of course saves the day and warns picard "You don't get it do you? The trial never ends, We'll be watching you." You could easily make a *great* movie or two about that.

      Second of all, I'd like to see a movie/series about the beginings of the borg. That would be a *GREAT*.

      If anyone knows mr berman tell him I work cheap :)

      • by cosmo7 (325616) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:55PM (#8942680) Homepage
        Second of all, I'd like to see a movie/series about the beginings of the borg. That would be a *GREAT*.

        OK, here's my pitch:

        Captain Data and Seven Out Of Ten are on their way to some long-deserved shore leave on an apparently paradise-like planet. A special anomaly suddenly appears and they travel into an alternative dimension - an evil one - where everyone has beards. Just as they are about to solve everything by using cronaton particles and a polaron beam, they get stuck on the holodeck in wild west outfits. They are captured by the evil sheriff - Q - who threatens them with a long telling off. It turns out that Q is possessed by the ghost of a long-dead (but English-speaking) civilisation. Just as time is about to run out - and they will be viciously shouted at - the Borg (ie: the good guys in this dimension) turn up and rescue them. Data and Seven return home by making a communicator out of sulphur, charcoal and potassium nitrate. The final words are "beam me up, spocky".

        I have some drawings of Seven in a sexy wild west outfit if you think they would help.
      • by Suidae (162977) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @05:09PM (#8943720)
        I've said this before and I'll say it again.

        Trek needs a series that tells stories in the Trek universe. It takes as many or as few episodes as it needs to tell the story the way the story should be told. When the story is done, they come up with another one. Switch casts for each story, maybe keep around a few actors who can play different parts, or occasionaly the same character in different stories.

        Tell stories set entirely on Romulus, or in the Klingon empire, or even throw in a few about the early Cardassian move to a military state that leads to the conquest of bajor (not necessary to actually show the conquest, we know it happened from DS9, we'll figure it out).

        We can see some more about Q and the other Q-like entities, we can tell stores in the far future or far past without invoking time travel. The possibilities are endless if the writers are good.

        Take fan suggestions for stories, or suggestions on which series to expand on, possibly spinning off new dedicated series. Use guest writers for stories, take ideas from the books, hell, use fan donations as long as they sign over the rights.
    • by moviepig.com (745183) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @04:05PM (#8942811) Homepage
      ...the typos and spelling errors in the article were entertaining...

      Well, StarTrek did begin with TV's most flagrant split infinitive. ("...to boldly go...")

      • "Well, StarTrek did begin with TV's most flagrant split infinitive. ("...to boldly go...")"

        H.P.Lovecraft did this in the 1920s:

        "At length, sick with longing for those glittering sunset streets and cryptical hill lanes among ancient tiled roofs, nor able sleeping or waking to drive them from his mind, Carter resolved to go with bold entreaty whither no man had gone before, and dare the icy deserts through the dark to where unknown Kadath."

  • by mschiller (764721) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:52PM (#8941723)
    Potential to suck: 75%
    Potential to be Great: 25%

  • by damiena (263598) <neimad915@@@gmail...com> on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:53PM (#8941731)
    Kaaaahhhhhhhhhnnnnnn!
  • In other news (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sean80 (567340) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:53PM (#8941741)
    CNN.com reports that sources close to Berman cryptically referred to the movie as "more of the same old crap from the same old people."

    Why, oh why, do they continue to insist on beating this dead horse into the dust? I'm as big a Star Trek fan as anybody, but it's gone way too far away from its roots, and quite frankly the last couple of movies have sucked so hard that I can't stand thinking about what they're going to bring out next.

    Long live TNG on DVD.

    • by AragornSonOfArathorn (454526) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:08PM (#8941971)
      Why, oh why, do they continue to insist on beating this dead horse into the dust?

      Because each time they whack the horse's corpse, it coughs up another wad of hundred-dollar bills.

      Long live TNG on DVD.

      I agree. I need to invest. TNG was the best series by far.
    • Re:In other news (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Sean80 (567340) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:10PM (#8942012)
      I can't believe I'm getting troll votes for this.

      The wonderful thing about science fiction is that, imho, it isn't really about science at all. Instead, it gives writers an opportunity to change small (or large) details about the world around humans, and see how they react. So, SF is all about humans at the end of the day. For a while, Star Trek understood that. Almost all of the first series understood that, with wise old Gene at the helm. TNG understood that as well, which is why "The Inner Light" is one. of. the. best. damn. episodes. of. any. series. ever.

      Berman and his band of merry idiots don't understand this simple fact. I remember reading an article in which he said something like: "Star Trek fans loves aliens and time travel."

      Star Trek 2, 4 and 6 understood that it's all about the people. First Contact was good because it was so damn cool, and nobody can dislike anything with the Borg in it.

      So yeah, if I have simply lost interest in Star Trek because Berman wants to fill every movie with "aliens" and "time travel" then troll me.

      • Re:In other news (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Guardian452 (761937)
        I really have to point out that the Star Trek universe does just about the worst job of showing how society would react to new technologies. I mean, the transporter alone would create whole new forms of crime, social interaction, cultural shifts, etc. Niven [wikipedia.org] tackled the idea of transporters combined with human nature. Why doesn't Trek?

        Same idea goes for replicators, holodecks, whatever. Star Trek just usually cops out and gives us "regular life surrounded by cool toys." The advances they have almost neve

      • Re:In other news (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Flyboy Connor (741764)
        Totally agree.

        Since I have all the TNG DVDs, I picked up Nemesis when it was in the cheapo bin. It still hurt, but at least it has Wil's cameo.

        I watched the interviews on the DVD (I couldn't bear to watch the movie again). They told the script writer wasn't really into Star Trek, and had only seen a few episodes, but, oh yeah, he could write a killer script based on his movie experience.

        So we've seen what that has come to. Laser shows, space battles, cheap rip-offs of good movies (it has scenes from S

      • Re:In other news (Score:3, Informative)

        by dasmegabyte (267018)
        I dunno. I've been getting into DS9 lately, and it seems that show REALLY understood a lot of us wanted. It had continuity between episodes with occasional throw away episodes. It had solutions that often involved fighting first and asking questions later. It was (relatively) light on time travel and last minute engineering decisions. And it had characters interested in more than just the liberal pursuits of star fleet, with none more intriguing than the Ferengi bartender (who was a great anti hero who
  • NCC-1701C (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DamienNightbane (768702) * on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:53PM (#8941742)
    I'd hope that it's a prequel to TNG. Rachel Garret needs her own series and movies.
  • by SpermanHerman (763707) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:54PM (#8941763)
    Captains Log ...

    ~SpermanHerman
  • Article Text (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:54PM (#8941764)
    Rick Berman: "Prequel" Film in the Works, Plus Developing New Series With Braga

    By Steve Krutzler / 12:42, 22 April 2004 / General Star Trek

    After over a year of silence on the future of the STAR TREK feature film franchise, producer Rick Berman has finally dropped the first hints of a new theatrical project for the franchise. The news comes in the new issue of Dreamwatch magazine, just coming out in the UK.

    Speaking in issue #117, Berman confirms for the first time that he is now developing a STAR TREK feature film project: "I am involved in the very early stages of what could be the next STAR TRKE movie," reveals Berman, in an excerpt provided by Dreamwatch. "It's something I will be producing with two other producers."

    Unwilling to offer many details he cryptically describes it as "a prequel" without any further elaboration. The names of his producing cohorts will have to remain unknown for now, as well. This follows a report earlier this week from Dark Horizons that Paramount may be working on a project the site described as "Starfleet Academy." Coincidentially, former TREK producer Harve Bennett (STAR TREKs II-VI) revealed recently that several years ago he had pitched a Starfleet Academy-based STAR TREK movie concept.

    On the television front, while the future of their first series remains in limo, Berman confirms that he is developing a non-STAR TREK sci-fi series with partner Brannon Braga. Both Berman and Braga have development deals with Paramount. If a new series begins development in earnest, TrekWeb insiders suggest Berman and/or Braga might take a reduced role in an adults-only supermarionation version of ENTERPRISE, though this is entirely speculation.

    For the full interview and much more, check out issue #117 of Dreamwatch magazine in the United Kingdom.
    • by Scrameustache (459504) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:49PM (#8942571) Homepage Journal
      Speaking in issue #117, Berman confirms for the first time that he is now developing a STAR TREK feature film project: "I am involved in the very early stages of what could be the next STAR TRKE movie," reveals Berman, in an excerpt provided by Dreamwatch. "It's something I will be producing with two other producers."

      Unwilling to offer many details he cryptically describes it as "a prequel" without any further elaboration. The names of his producing cohorts will have to remain unknown for now, as well.


      We allready know the names of his accomplices: Bragga and the Devil.

      Rick Berman has been turning Star Trek into a distilled form of crap ever since Gene Rodenberry passed away.
      First he took out the technological eutopia element, because, who wants to watch a show abuot a future where humanity has learned to live in harmony with itself. Then he added religion, turned StarFleet from a para-military space exploration outfit into a facist military government, turned a formally edgy show (first interracial kiss on america TV, a russian and chineese working with a U.S. born captain, etc) into a steaming pile of politically correct drivel, etc.

      I used to be a trekkie, but the things that are called Star Trek nowadays aren't Star Trek anymore. He took the brand name and threw away the substance.

      That movie won't be Star Trek, it will be the Rick Berman Time-Travel-Reset-Button Hot Alien Chick Spectacular. He should call it that.
  • Oh great, a PREQUEL! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:55PM (#8941767)
    Because we all know how well he's done with the current prequel series Enterprise. I'm sure this will be a homerun. Look, I understand various people (Stewart, Spiner, etc) want a lot of money/don't really want to be involved... that's fine. But there are enough people that do, and enough ways to craft a story. Captain Riker in charge, Dr. Bashir in the data role (perhaps as an Intelligence Officer or something). Maybe a plot about those parasite things that TNG never followed up on. Perhaps Riker finds out his clone Tom is still alive, and they need to go rescue him? There are lots of options that don't require prequels.
  • by IshanCaspian (625325) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:56PM (#8941793) Homepage
    ...they announced plans to dig up Gene Roddenberry's corpse and kick it around in the street. Sources close to the production crew said they were in the market for dead horses and clubs.

  • by jim_b (179273) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:56PM (#8941794) Homepage Journal
    Prequel .... So... shatner with hair and Nemoy accidentally emoting all over the place?
  • The entire crew of the Enterprise is still at school and Spock Jr is being bullied by ignorant full-blooded humans when Jamie Kirk leaps to the rescue and saves Spock Jr who says "you humans are so emotional. on my planet i would have left myself to be beaten to a bloody pulp". Jamie Kirk then kicks Spock jr in the groin, rips off his shirt and makes out with one of the local girls.

  • by Thud457 (234763) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:57PM (#8941808) Homepage Journal
    What "Star Trek" really needs is another EIGHTEEN YEAR HIATUS so that it can recharge its energies.

    But that'w what I said when "DS9" started...

  • by AtariAmarok (451306) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:57PM (#8941813)
    They've already gone way far back in history to do "Enterprise". A prequel before that? I know. They can do a movie about the world before the first starships were launched. About modern-day people who dream of the day when dilithium crystals will be real real, you could make love to real Romulans instead of inflated ones, and tribbles were not made of cloth.

    They could call this film... "Trekkies".

    Sorry. forgot. someone already did this.

  • by numbski (515011) * <{numbski} {at} {hksilver.net}> on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:57PM (#8941817) Homepage Journal
    Have TNG, DS9, and Voyager casts on hand, tell a story about the Borg finally getting fed up and invading federation space wholesale.

    You want to see money fly? Have Q amusing himself by bringing the Borg there. :P
    • by Mike Markley (9536) <madhackNO@SPAMmadhack.com> on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:08PM (#8941979)
      Why bother? Berman and Braga already neutered the Borg anyway. If the last half of Voyager is any indication, all they need to do is bring Admiral (*gag*) Janeway out to modulate the field density and penetrate the shields, or something.

      No, the Borg are just as ruined as most of the rest of the franchise at this point, and cramming all the casts into one movie screams of a pitiful attempt at fan service: "We can't deliver a decent movie, so we're just gonna throw characters at you; one of these must be your favorite!"

      As many others have said, Trek needs a long break. With any luck, it'll be able to lie dormant until Rick Berman dies a horrible death.
  • by Bronz (429622) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:58PM (#8941833)
    Don't you know the tastes of the many outweigh the tastes of the few, or the none?
  • Pre? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by AmicoToni (123984) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:59PM (#8941847)
    I still find the idea of prequels in Star Trek rather silly. In Star Wars there was a storyline, so in that case it might have made some sense, but Star Trek?
    The only result is that they can show *less* technological tricks, *less* alien species, and, importantly, *less* developed Star Trek ideals and moral conflicts.
    No Prime Directive? No teleporting?
    I would find much more appealing a series or a movie some two-hundred years *after* TNG, instead...
    • In Star Wars there was a storyline, so in that case it might have made some sense, but Star Trek?

      If only Star Wars had made that sense, we'd all be so happy.

      Personally I see some room for a crossover film: one where the kid Anikin from Episode I is involved in a transporter malfunction and has a black goatee, Jar Jar speaks the king's English, and there's a tiny shred of dramatic tension. Oh, for a temporal anomaly right about now...

      (Actually isn't it easier to do a prequel when there's no plotline? N

  • /.ed (Score:3, Funny)

    by ColdZero (668801) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:59PM (#8941855)
    The web servers canna take much more of this capt'n
  • by Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (718736) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @02:59PM (#8941857)
    no prequels, no more please. After Star Wars Prequels it can't possibly get worse (can it?). You can't have a Kirk w/o Shatner - and please do not bring him back (at this age and weight) either.

    What kind of story will it be?

    Star Trek: 0.5 - The Trouble With Jar Jar, think of all the horrible possibilities! With only a modicum of chance for success.

  • Kzinti first contact (Score:3, Interesting)

    by AtariAmarok (451306) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:01PM (#8941884)
    Count me in, as long as it is about first contact with the Kzinti. (For those of you who do not know what they are, just read it and do not say it. They are NOT Xindi!)
  • by fiannaFailMan (702447) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:01PM (#8941885) Journal
    I wish they'd let this franchise lie for about ten years, it needs a break. They're scraping the bottom of the barrel for stories and recycling old ideas. The last TNG film was a bit disappointing. I mean, there was no credible motivation for the bad guy to want to destroy life on earth, so after the movie I was left wondering what was all the fuss about?

    I wish they'd eventually do a Babylon 5 job on this, i.e. plan a series with a big story that develops over five seasons. When watching the likes of TNG and Voyager I got the impression that they were making this stuff up as they went along. Like adding a character called 'Kes' to Voyager and just seeing where it went. It went nowhere and they had to ditch her in favour of a Borg with a fit body and big tits. (I'm not complaining about that BTW!)

    Sure DS9 and Voyager had _some_ continuity, but nothing profound. The only shocking thing that ever happened in Voyager was the Seska character who was on the ship for the longest time but turned out to be a Cardassian agent in disguise.

    Oh well.

  • by B5_geek (638928) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:02PM (#8941896)
    I wish they would let this once noble francise just die.

    A Prequel. Egads! Could that mean Scott Bakula meets Kirk? Lots of CGI will be needed to remove 200lbs from the now-flabby Shatner.
    They might even waste the whole CGI budget on keeping Kirk trim. Let's just pray that Data is dead for good. Ohh look I'm an ass now that I have emotions.

    I never got a chance to watch Farscape, and honestly I don't think much will ever match Babylon 5 for depth and quality.
    • I'm sick of the people that will Star Trek to die. If you don't like Star Trek nowadays, quit trying to ruin it for me. Why badmouth it if you're not going to watch it?

      Some of you people have seen maybe three episodes of Enterprise and declared it horrible. The same goes for Deep Space Nine or Voyager. However, we find Star Trek fans whos' favorite series are any of the series made so far. Ya, TNG is the amazing god of Star Trek - but some of us find Enterprise, DS9, or Voyager to be a hundred times more i
      • Yes, yes, and yes.

        I have watched all of ToS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager. EVEN though, I hated 60% of DS9 (the first 60%) and 99% of Voyager.

        The point is, the quality of the episode obviously went down-hill. All Series had fantastic episodes and crappy ones too.

        TNG (if you go back & watch it) had a very bad 1st season. It got much better very quickly after that. BUT it was still good at that time.

        I have watched the first season and half of the second season of Enterprise; IMHO I felt that it stayed
      • by AtariAmarok (451306) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:54PM (#8942663)
        Some of you people have seen maybe three episodes of Enterprise and declared it horrible. The same goes for Deep Space Nine or Voyager.

        I watched all of DS9 and loved it. I can't remember there being a bad episode, although it sort of twiddled its thumbs for the first two seasons. I watched all but the last season of Voyager. While there were few really bad episodes, the show was hampered with throwaway cast members and a lack of really good episodes: most were "below average".

        Enterprise? At least the premise is good (Voyager was a botched effort that should have not made it out of the starting gate), but somewhere between TNG and Enterprise, they have forgotten how to film. Everthing is all dark and grainy, and might as well be on a black and white TV set.

        Compare this to the average bridge scene on those "Spike" ST:TNG reruns: they knew how to actually light a set. Only DS9 had any reason to look this way, being a grungy Cardassian station. The strength of "Trip" Tucker (one of the best actors/characters in Trek, I think) shows how the rest of the cast really comes up short.

        "Star Trek fans know the aliens, we know the different politics for different alliances, we know the history."

        Uh... not really. The Klingon/etc stuff has been shelved. All you have now are Xindi which are totally new, and races like Andorians and Vulcans who were around before but now are having the history created or re-written.

        "I hope they make another series after Enterprise.. and I hope Enterprise goes for at least 5 years."

        This season is better than the first two, but even then, the Xindi are nothing to write home about (nothing like the Borg, Vulcans, and Klingons that fired fan interest before). Still waiting for the show to "find its groove".

      • by hchaos (683337) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @04:20PM (#8943023)
        However, willing the Star Trek universe to simply die is such a waste. Star Trek fans know the aliens, we know the different politics for different alliances, we know the history... starting a whole new universe with a new show makes that all wasted.
        IT'S JUST A TELEVISION SHOW!
        Seriously, all this time you've spent getting to know the Star Trek universe is already "wasted", because IT DOESN'T EXIST. There's no such thing as Klingons, Ferengi, Romulans, Vulcans, warp drive, or the United Federation of Planets. It's all a fantasy. If there's any value to be had in fantasy, it certainly isn't in the KNOWING of the imaginary universe.
        Also, what is the deal with hating Rick Berman? He worked on part of TNG, DS9, Voyager, and now Enterprise. He's contributed as much to the Star Trek universe as Gene Roddenberry.
        Quality of work is far more important than quantity of work. Voyager isn't much of a credit, since you can only blow up the ship and use time-travel/reality-shifting to bring it back so many times before it becomes a really stale plot device. And let's not forget Nemesis (much as I wish I could), which was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. No one involved in the production of that movie should ever be allowed to work on another movie ever.
  • Star Fleet Command? (Score:5, Informative)

    by miket01 (50902) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:03PM (#8941903) Homepage
    Dark Horizons recently posted this tidbit in regards to current development at Paramount [darkhorizons.com] (emphasis mine):

    Seeking Writers: "Pro Nanny, "Au Pair", "Paranoia", "Star Fleet Command", "Stranger in a Strangeland", "Homeland Security", Peter Weir's "War Magician", Tony Scott's "Warriors" and an untitled Johnny Knoxville project

    • More Hollywood creativity:

      Pro Nanny - Fran Drescher as an annoying, but lovable kinky prostitute.

      Au Pair - Fran Drescher as an annoying, but lovable kinky prostitute (rated NC-17)

      Paranoia - (Working title, "The Martha Stewart Story")

      Star Fleet Command - James Kirk as a young cadet. Starring Eminem as the brash rule-breaking young officer.

      Stranger in a Strangeland - Hmmm, I thought someone wrote this already.

      Homeland Security - Now, a low budget NBC "rushed out once we caught wind of this in movie pr

  • by hoggoth (414195) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:03PM (#8941907) Journal
    Sources close to Berman and Braga say that "they are really excited about this new project. They have some really hot ideas mainly from their marketing departments. This 'prequel' will use the 'Freaky Friday' story and give it a fresh new take with the cast of the hit series 'Enterprise'." Berman is quoted as saying "there's a lot of life left in the universal story of a young hip teen switching places with an older cranky Starship Captain."

  • by shams42 (562402) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:05PM (#8941937)
    IMO the Star Trek universe is out of gas. There's nothing to see here. Move on.

    It's sad, because I've always loved Star Trek. But I realized the truth when I saw the latest installment in the theater, which in my opinion was nothing but a bad rehash of The Wrath of Khan.

    But then, I guess this is a sign of the times. Lately it's seemed to me that we as a culture are running low on creativity. I don't ever remember a time when so many sequels and so few original films were released. And of course, people flock like lemmings to see the latest rehash of whatever. I haven't heard an original musical group in what seems like years. I'm sure there are indie groups that I've never heard of that are doing great stuff, but the mainstream... I guess the latest thing is for bands like The Darkness to resurrect the same lame ass hair metal that Nirvana wiped off the face of the earth. And most of the the rock music that I've heard in the last couple of years has been variations on the Korn theme... detuned guitars and shameless lyrics about childhood trauma. Hey asshole, you're rich -- go get some therapy and get the hell over it!

    Anyway, I know I've drifted a bit off topic, but I see this as another attempt to squeeze the every last penny out of what used to be a great franchise by driving it even deeper into the ground. All to avoid, *gasp*, coming up with something ORIGINAL! But no, that would be too risky. Let's just serve up another plate of leftovers.

    • by Anita Coney (648748) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:21PM (#8942137) Homepage
      I wanted to mod you up, but I decided to pitch in instead.

      The problem isn't really a lack of creativity, it's more like an obsession with profits. Hollywood and the music industry would rather play it safe by selling safe crap versus taking a risk with something new and creative.

    • Lately it's seemed to me that we as a culture are running low on creativity.

      You are terribly wrong. It's one thing to say that Star Trek is out of ideas... I agree completely. It's another thing to say that there's no creativity out there. To defend pop culture, I'd say there's lots of great material out there even in media. I think we've practically escaped the decline in the late 90's when pure crap was getting mainstream attention.

      I'll avoid naming specifics, but say that hollywood directors are

    • I beg to differ... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by aksansai (56788) <aksansai@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:35PM (#8942351)
      [puts on the Star Trek hat]....

      People were afraid that once the Federation had figured out a way to combat/make peace with the Klingons (ST:VI), the Borg (ST:VOY), and then finally the Romulans (ST:X) the story would start to run out of steam.

      I believe there is still much life in the Star Trek universe. Unfortunately, the young-ones of today's modern shows do not see the qualities of the episodes the older generations remember. Star Fleet is about exploration (to avoid using the show's cliche) and meeting new races. The UFP does not encompass every civilization from the Alpha to Delta quadrants. I can remember being mesmerized by the countless ST:TOS episodes of meeting new aliens and the numerous occasions where the Enterprise was about to be blown to smithereens.

      There was an episode of ST:TNG (the Traveller) where Commander Data said that Star Fleet had only explored a little more than 11% of _our galaxy_ in the three hundred years of space development and exploration. Even with ST:DS9 and ST:VOY timelines, that leaves over 85% of the galaxy as uncharted. There are tons of lifeforms and battles to be generated with 85% of the galaxy remaining. ST:VOY revealed the transwarp system developed by the Borg for fast movements throughout the quadrants. And Starfleet captains still do not always agree with the Federation Council.

      The problem with modern Star Trek is the incorporation of Soap Opera-like drama into the storyline. The audience is now addicted to this notion that an episode must be directed as if it were a feature film. Many episodes of the TOS did not focus on character development directly. Instead, we learned about these characters by their everyday performance of their duties. ST:ENT is currently battling this very issue.

      I have thoroughly enjoyed the ten films produced under the Star Trek banner. When it comes down to it, I would prefer an episode over a film anyday. Look at how much stuff can occur to capture an audience's interest in a season. ST:ENT reveals a modern take as to the lessons that had to be learned before the great Jim Kirk could take the center stage out into the Alpha quadrant. Think about all the historical development of the Federation we've heard about (especially in ST:TNG) that have yet to be shown on TV or in a film...

  • Enterprise C (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Omega1045 (584264) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:07PM (#8941967)
    It would be nice to see some more of the backstory on the Enterprise C. They could even involve the actors from TNG episode - don't remember the title but it was a parallel universe one with Tasha back alive...
  • by dacarr (562277) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:09PM (#8941986) Homepage Journal
    In other news, the Trekweb site was brought to its knees at a factor of warp 4.
  • by X86Daddy (446356) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @03:30PM (#8942268) Journal
    ... just skip the bloody humans! I'd like to see the early days of Vulcan, or even better, the origin of the Borg...

    ...it started with this news commenting service that people spent a lot of time communicating on, but eventually, the only sentiments issued from it were a uniform set of thoughts. ;-)
  • by TheNumberSix (580081) <NumberSix@simpli ... EL.com_minusfood> on Thursday April 22, 2004 @04:17PM (#8942978)
    If they had any sense, they would eject Berman and let Nick Meyer run the show. So much of the best of Star Trek films was from him.

    His directorial debut was... Star Trek II. He wrote all the script for Star Trek IV that took place in the 20th century. He also directed Star Trek IV and did a great deal of the story, based upon an idea by Nimoy.

    He has a sense of the show that Berman lacks utterly.
  • by LithiumX (717017) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @04:35PM (#8943261)
    All the best ST movies have (with one exception) been their darkest - and even Voyage Home had a pretty bleak undertone (goodbye Earth). On the other hand, their "cute" movies have also been their worst - and Nemesis proves they shouldn't try for a core bad guy until they can give us a good one (I was not impressed with Nemesis, but at least it helped drive away the bad taste of Insurrection's diarrhetic implosion).

    As for Enterprise, regardless of it's ratings I think it's the best effort they've made since TNG's final season. It has the best characters (all have distinct flaws that aren't cute, which makes their finer aspects shine a little more). It has a dark and slightly twisted sense of humor I like. They do not always make the moral choice in the end, instead of always figuring out what's right by the end of the show. Their doctor is the first alien ST crewmember who seems to fit in as a castmember instead of the token alien.

    And... it brings back some of the Blood, Booze, and Babes element that made the original last so long. When they fight, they fight like they mean it. Bodies fly out of gaping holes in the ship, there are redshirts all over the place, and sometimes they have to be cold and brutal just to survive, not to make a highhanded point.

    I want to see a Star Trek movie that makes your brain twist... something approaching hard sci-fi, but not enough to drive people away. I want Arthur C Clarke to make me a Star Trek. Or, if they can ever get him to talk to them again, Harlan Ellison (who wrote their best episode, period). Something dark and bleak, where instead of being preachy, they tear their entire world apart and let them climb out of the wreckage.

    I don't want a happy Star Trek movie. I don't want to hear Picard soliliquizing on philosophical matters like it was a pleasant tea party, or Riker worrying about his love life, or La Forge being bored with his job. I want to see all hell break loose, and characters who ACT like they're not having fun. And if the TNG guys get one more go, kill some of them off in acts of violence, not dramatic self-sacrifice. I want Shakespearean Tragedy, not As The Federation Turns.

    Or maybe... just maybe... I'll be impressed if I see a title like "Star Trek: Holy War" or "Star Trek: Apocalypse"... not "Star Trek: Earl Grey, Hot".
  • by dR.fuZZo (187666) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @04:44PM (#8943384)
    Meesa gots a baaaaaad feeling about this!
  • by Etriaph (16235) on Thursday April 22, 2004 @09:55PM (#8945887) Homepage
    Ok, so here's how it happens.

    The Vorlons return from beyond the rim and drag Babylon 5 into a seperate reality. When the 1701-E stumbles upon it, they request aid from Admiral Janeway who sends Voyageur (with her on board) and she also commands the crew of DS9 to arrive with the Defiant in case we need Worf to make rude noises. O'Brien happens to be on the 1701-E, as Picard missed his old transporter-chief and decided to liberate him from Starfleet Academy.

    So, we have all these crews here, but we're missing two. Sisko, while speaking with the wormhole aliens, asks them to drag the NX-01 and the NCC-1701 from the past to the planet where Babylon 5 is orbiting. All hell breaks loose. Sisko materializes on the bridge of the Defiant and begins to command the fleet (while Picard quietly plots his death, feeling upstaged). Babylon 5 launches it's fighers, and the harrowing corpse of Sheridan begins to emanate a strange energy signature. All of a sudden, three Spacing Guild ships appear above the station, and the fighters of Muad'dib begin to use their illegaly-taught Bene Gesserit teachings to subdue Starfleet. Babylon 5 lays waste to all Starfleet ships with the White Star, and subsequently becomes entranced themselves by the wily ways of the Fedaykin.

    Afterwards, another Guild Highliner arrives carrying a delegation of the Bene Gesserit who tames the Vorlons with lessons they've learned from The Scattering.

    The movie ends with Captain Kirk in an escape pod singing "Row Row Row your Boat"

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