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shadowmage13 writes "After months of planning, I am happy to announce finally that the Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team will be preparing a booth at the upcoming 2010 Anime Boston convention. We need support from the community to secure a booth and print materials, including copies of the Ubunchu! manga. I really believe the Anime fandom is a perfect match for Ubuntu, as they are by nature very much in line with open source and remix culture."
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  • by Enleth (947766) <enleth@enleth.com> on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @06:14AM (#30224252) Homepage

    Neither Tux, nor any Ubuntu release mascott I know of has tentacles.

    OTOH, one of the protagonists in NGE was a penguin, so there's still hope for acceptance...

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by tonycheese (921278)
      Well, let me just say that I'm glad the first reaction by the linux side is to boil down the immensely diverse and interesting anime culture here to equal hentai tentacle porn. Yup, great start.
      • by wisty (1335733)

        I mulling over the wisdom of marketing Ubuntu, a distro which defaults a maniacally-happy sewage-brown theme, to a bunch of "art lovers".

        I think you may have headed off my question.

      • by Enleth (947766) <enleth@enleth.com> on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @06:56AM (#30224492) Homepage

        Oh, well, I'm glad that most of the anime culture has one thing in common, despite the (impressive, indeed) diversity - a sense of humor. Humor, which is present in all but the most serious and gloomy works, and often expressed in making fun of the work itself

        Besides, if you bothered to read the second sentence of my post, you could've even realized that it doesn't belong strictly on the "linux side".

        • I'm not really much of an anime fan (as evidenced by my ignorance that NGE stands for Evangelion), although I do watch some, but I guess I was just expecting to see a lot of snotty comments come out of this article (see the "clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals" post below).
      • by L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @07:00AM (#30224510)
        Ubuntu has dropped the GIMP to bring the distro into mainstream eyes, and you want to associate it with anime?

        The fact that the first comment was about hentai and tentacles just shows you how daft of an idea that is. I'm all for exposing Ubuntu to a wider audience, but association with non-mainstream media is what they're trying to avoid.
        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by suisui (1134031)
          GIMP was dropped so they could make room for Comix and the non-free video codecs. Lucid Lynx will be shipped with the first 20 volumes of One Piece, and a torrent for the Love Hina DVD-rip.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by vadim_t (324782)

          The fact that the first comment was about hentai and tentacles just shows you how daft of an idea that is.

          I think that's probably just the typical stupid joke.

          I mean, these days, who hasn't heard of Naruto, One Piece, DBZ or Pokemon? That makes for most of the anime people see. It's not particularly deep, but that's the mainstream kind of it. There are much more interesting things to watch, but they're very niche in comparison to what I listed.

          • The only one I've heard of is Pokemon. That is mainstream anime. I've seen bits of others on adult swim, but none that I've liked. I agree, the one way to get people to avoid Linux like the plague is to associate it with weird Japanese adult cartoons.
            • by vadim_t (324782) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @12:03PM (#30226768) Homepage

              The only one I've heard of is Pokemon. That is mainstream anime. I've seen bits of others on adult swim, but none that I've liked.

              Whether you like it or not doesn't have to do with whether it's mainstream.

              I agree, the one way to get people to avoid Linux like the plague is to associate it with weird Japanese adult cartoons.

              If you think Pokemon is adult, you sure have low standards for what adult is.

              Really, this obsession with adult anime people have is odd. It's like trying to reject the entire cinema medium based on the existence of porn movies. I've got friends that have bookcases full with hundreds of anime DVDs, and there's no porn in there.

        • by initialE (758110) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @02:57PM (#30229024)

          Let me introduce you to Madobe Nanami [wikipedia.org], the official mascot of Windows 7 Japanese edition. Voiced by a popular voice actress even. Microsoft feels anime is good enough for mainstream.

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        "immensely diverse and interesting anime culture"
        Oh man, my sides...

        TRANSLATOR'S NOTE: "kawaii" means "cute".

      • by PopeRatzo (965947) *

        Anyway, there are no Linux drivers for those proprietary hentai tentacles, so not to worry,.

    • by wisty (1335733)

      OTOH, one of the protagonists in NGE was a penguin, so there's still hope for acceptance...

      I thought the penguin was the protagonist. Wasn't everyone else a bad guy?

      • by SQL Error (16383)

        The penguin was also a bad guy. This was only revealed in End of the End of the End of Evangelion, so maybe I should have put a spoiler warn... What am I saying?

    • Don’t tempt the Internet! Or someone will release Ubuntu “Tentacle Tux”!

    • Product placement!

    • by sorak (246725)

      But we do have daemons!

  • Reading TFA surprised me at first; what linux is used to do manga anime ???

    But I guess after all it is a good sign that linux might be getting closer the desktop, e.g. multipurpose desktop computer ;-))

    It wasn't traditionally used for such tasks, at least at first.

  • Seems like (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mxh83 (1607017) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @06:21AM (#30224304)
    it would be more productive to fix 9.10 first
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by migla (1099771)

      it would be more productive to fix 9.10 first

      Ok. So, what would Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team do in he mean time that would be more productive? I'm sure there are plenty others more qualified to do the fixing of 9.10.

      I disagree that stopping the evangelizing would be more productive than evangelizing at this point, even if 9.10 is buggy. (I.e. I don't think it's buggy enough to hide from the public completely.)

      Maybe I just got lucky with my installs on my hardware.

      • Re:Seems like (Score:4, Insightful)

        by mxh83 (1607017) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @07:02AM (#30224516)
        It's bad enough that I would no longer recommend that anyone switch to it. Because if they have a crappy experience, they'll never try linux again.
        • It's not *bad* - it's just that the chance of running into trouble while installing is relatively high. If you get it working, it's great, but the increased chance of running into issues has led me to advise linux newbies who will be doing the install themselves to stick with 9.04 for now.
      • by Kamokazi (1080091)
        They could not try and milk donations for a futile effort in the first place. Most Anime fans dedicated enough to go to conventions that I know are WELL aware of what Linux is, and most have tried it at some point on their own. I don't think they will do a lot of education in that audience or create any awareness that isn't already there. Also, I agree with what the GP said in his reply to you-people will much less willing to try it a second time if they have trouble the first. I still firmly believe Li
    • Re:Seems like (Score:4, Insightful)

      by SeaFox (739806) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @07:55AM (#30224722)

      Hello. Anime fan here.

      They need to fix SOUND in general in Linux, so it, like, just works. I have a dual boot system (WinXP64 and Kumubtu 9.10), and if there's one thing I'm having trouble with it's getting sound working on any video player. Regular system sound is fine, Amarok can play, too. But I haven't been able to get a video player that has a good interface, decent playback abilities for the latest codecs and subtitle formats, and sound working all at the same time. Some of this has to do with mplayer waiting forever to release a new "official version" so distributors would update their packages. Maybe some of it has to do with me using a USB audio device, but in general it's application and the O/S not working together on working with the "default" audio output setting in preferences and not supporting other methods (ALSA/PulseAudio/etc.) without config tweaking.

      I can download and run VLC for Windows and it works as soon as it's installed, it should be the same on Linux, especially since all the VLC developers are Linux developers and not really focused on Windows.

      Getting sound to work in video players (or audio players, web browsers, etc) has been a trial for me going back years.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by gzipped_tar (1151931)

        Lennart Poettering, the pulseaudio lead, is an Red Hat employee. Jaroslav Kysela and Takashi Iwai, the only two persons in the world who get paid for their work in ALSA, are hired by Red Hat and Novell respectively.

        So where is Mark (and his money) when we need him?

        And Ubuntu is known to have done a great deal of damage to PulseAudio's reputation by royally fsck up Poettering's work [0pointer.de].

        • by vadim_t (324782)

          From the post:

          So in the past Ubuntu packaged PA in a way that, let's say, was not exactly optimal.

          But it doesn't say how. Is there an explanation somewhere? I'd like to see what it was.

      • by X0563511 (793323)

        The USB Audio module doesn't work very well. It's an extremely generic driver.

        At work, where I use my older SB Live 24-bit External, I get a whole four controls:

        PCM output volume, Microphone input volume, power LED, cms LED.

        Yes, while it only supports the BARE MINIMUM audio channels on this thing (which is 24-bit 5.1 with optical SPDIF and all those whizbangs) I can toggle the LEDs on and off. Well, that's certainly useful...

        However, I have no problems on my desktop with my SB Audigy 2 ZS.

      • can download and run VLC for Windows and it works as soon as it's installed, it should be the same on Linux

        That's how it's been in my experience...I've had to fiddle with some settings to get recording to work, but I've never had any trouble with playback...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @06:25AM (#30224336)

    Because another 16.000 clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals is EXACTLY what the Ubuntu community needs.

    • Re:Yeah, right! (Score:4, Insightful)

      by migla (1099771) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @06:42AM (#30224432)

      Because another 16.000 clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals is EXACTLY what the Ubuntu community needs.

      Well, total world domination, or even some sort of world domination would have to include some clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals too. Besides, maybe some of the clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals will show their newly found OS to some not so clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals. Sure, the clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals aren't the most important movers and shakers, but you do what you can. Any convert could send ripples of Freedom through our culture.

      • Isn't there a collective noun for "clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals"?
        It's getting hard to read this thread otherwise.

        • Isn't there a collective noun for "clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals"?

          There were clueless urban poseurs of great self-importance, even back in the days before twitter & facebook. We called them "yuppies" - would that term be demeaning enough?

          • by Velex (120469) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @08:29AM (#30224838) Homepage Journal

            We called them "yuppies" - would that term be demeaning enough?

            But that word doesn't have "sex" in it, and it doesn't sound like the words "homosexual" or "transsexual." As we know, sex is dirty enough, but homosexuals and transsexuals are all disease-ridden, AIDS-infested, sex-crazed, godless, hedonistic, er..., I'm sure there are a few more words I could use along those lines but I haven't had my tea^H^H^Hcoffee yet (of course I'm a real man! tea is for girls!). At any rate, no, "yuppie" wasn't demeaning enough.

            Besides, someone who's young and upper class might just be well-connected and a hard worker. Homosexuals, transsexuals, and their newest effiminate (nothing worse than being feminine, a fate worse than death) sexual deviant might be well-connected, but hard-working, even deserving? Pfft. </troll>

            Cheers

          • by drinkypoo (153816)

            Yuppies have money. Anime fans, by and large, do not, after spending it on Cels.

        • by lxs (131946) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @09:00AM (#30224980)

          I believe it's "Apple users"

    • by wisty (1335733)

      Was the event secretly funded by Red Hat?

    • Re:Yeah, right! (Score:4, Insightful)

      by tonycheese (921278) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @06:59AM (#30224500)
      Well, I'm sure that's exactly the attitude Linux needs to gain market share: bigotry and elitism. Keep it up guys, year of the Linux is coming any day now.
      • I don't see how it's racist at all. I'm sure it is in some aspect (everything is) but I'm just not seeing it in the GP comment. And Facebook/Twitter/etc are hardly "elite", in fact they are the unwashed masses. What's next, pogroms against grouphug users?
        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward
          bigotry != racism. and elitism refers to /his/ attitude, not the people he's referring to. as in, "wow he uses twitter, he's too lowly to use /my/ operating system."
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            I think it could be more the implication that because you have Facebook, you must have, at some point, had friends who'd want to keep in touch with you, thus disqualified as a true Slashdot Geek/Geekette.... Because we all know that everybody on slashdot is a basement-dwelling, never-bathing, man child who subsists on Sarah Michelle Gellar porn... that's just not compatible with the kind of person who's got friends, or might not actually be male...

            Signed, a Facebook-using, "oh-so-creative" person who enjoys

      • by Tikkun (992269)

        Well, I'm sure that's exactly the attitude Linux needs to gain market share: bigotry and elitism. Keep it up guys, year of the Linux is coming any day now.

        Bigotry and elitism didn't prevent Linux from getting healthy amounts of market share in the server space.

      • Oh don't worry. Us Hanna Montana linux users will put up a booth right directly ACROSS from these anime worshippers, all the better to emerge victorious in stare-down contests. That ought to even things out. They'd wish they had those eyes taking up 80% of their faces...

      • Thanks for assuming the AC was a Linux user, and represents an entire community as a whole. Yup, we all have these prejudices; we're like a hive mind.
      • by 0racle (667029) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @10:52AM (#30225878)
        Bigotry and elitism got Linux this far, don't knock what works.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      As a member of the unwashed masses, i would like to think that some of us eventually goon to become developers and generally help out when we can. Personally i've not done much other than help even newer users out with even simpler problems than my own, but a group of 16000 largely teenage geeks, will likely produce at least one developer, probably a few competent bug reporters and dozens people who will spend time on forums/irc to help out new users. So Canonical and the ubuntu community tend to think that

    • Yay! Stereotypes! (Score:4, Insightful)

      by GameboyRMH (1153867) <gameboyrmhNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @11:08AM (#30226052) Journal
      Most anime fans tend to have above-average computer skills, and I'd say the clueless are a clear minority - but you don't ever see the intelligent ones making Youtube comments, shitty fan sites / fanfic / fan art or abusing facebook/twitter. In fact most of the anime friends I've met face-to-face have well above average intelligence - I have a relative who is a very successful game developer (has worked on a who's who list of awesome games), a huge hit with the ladies (top models have given him their phone numbers), speaks many different languages, and he's a huge anime fan. But he's artsy and metro and even uses social networking sites! You don't want his kind in the Linux community, right?
  • by RobotRunAmok (595286) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @06:32AM (#30224374)

    ...but now I think I get it: You're asking us to donate money so that your local Linux User Group can have a booth at your local anime convention.

    Did I get that right? If so, props for chutzpah, my brother...

  • by DeadDecoy (877617) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @06:56AM (#30224488)
    Touchy Tentacle. It will feature advanced social networking services that will allow people to finger their friends over Twitter, Facebook, Pidgin, etc and see what they're up to. Their new motto will be: "Linux for Human Beings and their noodly appendages.".
    • by vadim_t (324782)

      And soon after that, Ubuntu will reach out to the furries with Ubuntu Yiffy Yaffle [ubuntu.com], which will come with a wallpaper from Dark Natasha [darknatasha.com] and Second Life as part of the default install.

    • "Linux for Human Beings and their noodly appendages.".

      Oh, so when did the Pastafarians start funding Ubuntu?

  • And then we unleash them upon Slashdot.jp and set back Western-Japanese relations by decades. The plan is flawless.

  • by Shin-LaC (1333529) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @07:39AM (#30224652)
    I sent the maintainer some corrections back in April, but he thought my criticisms were too harsh and chose to ignore them.

    Sometimes the translators simply failed to grasp the meaning of the original text. In panel 3, the girl says "Yokenna, kono!" ("Why you, don't dodge!") and the boy replies "Maji iteendazo!" ("Those really hurt, you know!"; they are both referring to the CDs she's throwing), but in the English translation it turns into "Stop messing around! It can't be any good!". The third girl's line, "Hamori nagara kenka shinaidee!", is not so easy to render in English, but it definitely doesn't mean "Stop talking at the same time!": it means "You were speaking in unison a minute ago [panel 2], so don't fight now!"

    Other times, the translation is clumsy. In panel 1, "Saikin ninki no desktop na Linux desu!" ("It's the most popular desktop Linux these days!" - or, more literally, "It's a desktop Linux that is popular these days") becomes "It is very popular with the users, and it is the hottest desktop Linux distribution available."
    And that's just the first page.

    I reported these and more flaws months ago, but since the maintainer took offense to my harsh but polite comment ("the translation should be redone", I said), he simply rejected the "patch". It's hard not to crack wise that this is just like a real open source project. :-)
    (Actually, I know most maintainers aren't like that, so hold those Flamebait mods. :P)
  • by abigsmurf (919188) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @07:51AM (#30224702)
    There are some big problems anime fans will have with using Linux: Windows boxes are more capable media players. I generally prefer Zoomplayer and MPC-HC to stuff like VLC (although this is naturally personal preference) but a big issue is the lack of Blu Ray playing capability under Linux.

    There's also gaming, with the exception of Onscript based games, very few visual novels play well with Linux and most Tohou/doujin shooters are Windows only.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Virak (897071)

      Windows boxes are more capable media players.

      Not really.

      I generally prefer Zoomplayer and MPC-HC to stuff like VLC

      See, here's your problem. You're comparing competent players to an incompetent player. One that in particular has terrible support for ASS, by far the most popular subtitle format for fansubs. Try mplayer (or a GUI frontend if that's your thing) sometime.

      but a big issue is the lack of Blu Ray playing capability under Linux.

      For you, maybe. For most people it is a tiny, tiny issue though. And anyw

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by SeaFox (739806)

        [blockquote]See, here's your problem. You're comparing competent players to an incompetent player. One that in particular has terrible support for ASS, by far the most popular subtitle format for fansubs. Try mplayer (or a GUI frontend if that's your thing) sometime.[/blockquote]

        VLC gets it's SSA/ASS subtitle rendering support from the mplayer project. So except for being a step behind MPlayer's they are using the same code. Implementation, however, may be making a difference.

        At least I can get sound to wor

        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by Virak (897071)

          VLC gets it's SSA/ASS subtitle rendering support from the mplayer project. So except for being a step behind MPlayer's they are using the same code. Implementation, however, may be making a difference.

          I just went and downloaded a more recent VLC version and played something with it and surprisingly it wasn't hilariously broken. It's like I'm really using a player developed in the 21st century. I suppose I must tentatively (only tentatively because I didn't do a thorough test of its capabilities) retract my

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by abigsmurf (919188)
        I can download CCCP and after 30 seconds, I can play almost any video file with no configuration required. Another 20 seconds in MPC-HC and I can completely eliminate screen tearing in TV Out. Then I never have to worry about deciding on a GUI, worrying about certain combinations of container and subtitle format not playing together and any sound issues at all.

        To say ripping and playing a blu ray at the moment is a bit inelegant is an understatement. It simply doesn't compare to popping a disc in and hav
        • by Virak (897071)

          Then I never have to worry about deciding on a GUI

          You already decided on one, namely MPC-HC.

          worrying about certain combinations of container and subtitle format not playing together

          I'm curious as to exactly what combinations do this, and with which player. I've got a bunch of stuff in all the common formats (Matroska/{H.264,MPEG-4 ASP}/{Vorbis,AAC,MP3}/ASS, AVI/MPEG-4 ASP/MP3, raw DVDs), and some stuff in some less common formats (OGM/SRT, anyone?), and mplayer plays anything I throw at it without a problem

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Kizeh (71312)

        I played for weeks trying to get Ubuntu to work as a HTPC. All the media players I found in the repository either had horrid tearing problems, jerky motion, no audio, crashed constantly, or could not display the subtitles in a sane size on my plasma TV -- either tiny scribble or humongous letters, despite changing the settings I could find for the subtitle font. (Not to mention that the SB card defaulted to digital out and no peep on analog, and good luck finding that switch in the GUI...) Put Vista on it,

        • by Virak (897071)

          I don't really have any experience myself with setting any Linux distro up as an HTPC. As for the average person who wants to watch anime, they're not going to be setting up a fancy HTPC setup like you are, so the situations aren't really comparable. And I think you're underestimating them a bit. I know quite a few who are into anime and have switched to Linux (or at least dual-boot it), generally with few problems, and often willing to work through the problems they have.

          Technical competence in general see

          • by Kizeh (71312)

            Well, the setup wasn't "fancy." It was my old desktop PC hooked up to the VGA input on my TV, with stereo analog audio into the amp. No different than watching it from a monitor with headphones or computer speakers.
            As far as drive sharing and, I don't know how common that is for the average user, but I'd imagine that's a pretty basic use as well.

    • by Nerdfest (867930)
      Doesn't bluray have region coding enforced? I would think that would cause a lot of concern in North America with so much Japanese anime. (ie: people use ripped content anyway)
      • by SeaFox (739806)

        Japan and the U.S are in the same BluRay Region (A).

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Qzukk (229616)

        Doesn't bluray have region coding enforced?

        It does, but they abandoned the DVD regions for "zones", and Japan and the US now share a zone.

  • by DoofusOfDeath (636671) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @08:10AM (#30224772)

    This will give Ubuntu the mainstream credibility we've been seeking!

  • by ThePhilips (752041) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @08:37AM (#30224878) Homepage Journal

    I really believe the Anime fandom is a perfect match for Ubuntu, as they are by nature very much in line with open source and remix culture.

    That is getting stupider over time - considering that out of box Ubuntu can't play 99% of anime found on say mininova.

    And even after installing all possible drivers, applications and codecs, Linux video playback - especially as anime concerned - is still eons behind of CCCP [cccp-project.net] on Windows.

    And what about the "remix culture" reference? Manga and anime fandom is interesting because there are more people who do new/original stuff - and few who rehash the old stuff. And even if they "remix" (what a stupid word lessig came up with) they still do it their own way, not some dumb copy paste like what many CC-lovers [wikipedia.org] do.

    Ubunchu!

    That is manga [wikipedia.org], not anime [wikipedia.org].

    • by shish (588640) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @09:50AM (#30225292) Homepage

      considering that out of box Ubuntu can't play 99% of anime found on say mininova.

      I clicked a .mkv, it said "I don't have a codec installed, shall I find one?", I clicked "yes", and it did, then it played. Not "out of the box" in the literal sense, but pretty close, and better than googling for codecs...

      (Though after checking that it worked, I still went back to mplayer, which has so far played 100% of things I've thrown at it, and with hardware accelerated decoding now too :-P )

      • Mplayer is nice, but it integrates with the rest very poorly. I still prefer to run Mplayer from command line, since most of the front-ends (official included) fail very often.

        Ages old problem of A/V sync in Mplayer was never fixed. If I try to work in parallel (e.g. compile 2-3 files) Mplayer still easily looses A/V sync.

        And aspect ratio handling is also sometimes fails.

        And in GUI there is no usable bookmarks/favorites: restarting playback at later time from place where I stopped last time is at

        • by shish (588640)

          Ages old problem of A/V sync in Mplayer was never fixed. If I try to work in parallel (e.g. compile 2-3 files) Mplayer still easily looses A/V sync.

          Back in the day I found that the autosync option fixed this; I've not needed that in years though, trying parallel building while playing video now I get lots of frame dropping, but the one or two frames per second that do appear are still in sync o_O Aspect ratio too I remember being a problem 5 or 6 years ago, but it's been so long since needing to correct it that I can't even remember how...

          Mplayer still can't get out of Gnome/KDE setting my preferred audio card. And no real-time change of audio card is possible

          I'm not aware of anything at the application layer to do these, but AFAIK pluseaudio will take care of them (inc

  • "I really believe the Anime fandom is a perfect match for Ubuntu" I've come to the same conclusion and ran away from both!
  • Oblig XKCD (Score:5, Funny)

    by Lemming Mark (849014) on Wednesday November 25, 2009 @10:48AM (#30225830) Homepage

    Guys, I'm disappointed you haven't got here already. http://xkcd.com/178/ [xkcd.com]

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