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Filming For The Hobbit Begins In July 298

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krou writes "Sir Ian McKellen has revealed that filming for The Hobbit and its sequel is scheduled to begin in July, and will take approximately a year to complete. Casting is now 'taking place in LA, London and New York,' and [director Guillermo] Del Toro is already 'living in Wellington, close to the Jacksons and the studio in Miramar.' Apparently the script is still being worked on, and 'the first draft is crammed with old and new friends, again on a quest in Middle-earth.' The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an original story not written by Tolkien, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and The Lord of the Rings."
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Filming For The Hobbit Begins In July

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  • by Animats (122034) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @11:56AM (#31523682) Homepage

    I have visions of furries lined up for the audition.

    • by zero_out (1705074)
      Furries? Let's see, what roles could they play... a spider? Naw. How about a goblin? Nope. A warg? Hm... a nasty super-wolf ridden by green midgets. Maybe. A Great Eagle? No way. A troll? Not a chance. Well, I guess all those furries are going to be disappointed, since the wargs in LOTR were CG.
    • I've been holding off on getting LOTR set for bluray until this came out. I was wavering and even a week ago thought "maybe i should just buy it, there won't be a hobit movie"...glad to know my stubborness is paying off.
  • Sequel (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Jaysyn (203771) <`moc.liamg' `ta' `todhsals+nysyaj'> on Thursday March 18, 2010 @11:59AM (#31523712) Homepage Journal

    "The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an *original story not written by Tolkien*, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings."

    Thanks but no thanks.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Sounds like the filler episodes in anime, when they've already make all the current manga into anime, but want to make more anime something anyway. And we all know how great those are.

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by daremonai (859175)
        Wait, so you mean it will be a swimsuit episode? Oy!!
      • Re:Sequel (Score:4, Informative)

        by interkin3tic (1469267) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:37PM (#31524196)

        Sounds like the filler episodes in anime, when they've already make all the current manga into anime, but want to make more anime something anyway. And we all know how great those are.

        For those of you not familiar with anime, that last part was sarcasm. Filler episodes are utterly craptastic. In that case, because the story continues on as if nothing significant happened in the time the filler is showing, any plot or character development has to be disposable. Nothing happens.

        Same thing here. What could happen in the sequel to the hobbit? Spoiler: none of the characters that are in lord of the rings will die in the prequel, wheras any characters they introduce will die before the events in lord of the rings or will have to come up with some reason they're insignificant for lord of the rings.

    • Re:Sequel (Score:5, Funny)

      by Hal_Porter (817932) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:10PM (#31523848)

      I heard George Lucas is writing it. Young Gollum will be a comedy character to lighten the mood. His appearance has been changed a bit to appeal to the 5-10 age range that have the most pester power over merchandise sales, e.g. big floppy bunny ears. To save time it will all be CGI scenery. Human actors will be dosed with Thorazine to make them more docile and easier to pose.

      • by dkf (304284)

        I heard George Lucas is writing it.

        Could (just about) be worse. Uwe Boll is not involved in the project.

      • by EkriirkE (1075937)
        Seeing as how Lucas is to be involved, there will be references to aliens and/or space ships featured prominently but loosely involved in the plot line.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by RDW (41497)

      'The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an *original story not written by Tolkien*'

      Pretty much like most of Jackson's version of 'The Two Towers', then!

      Actually, I wonder how accurate the BBC story is. Jackson and del toro have suggested elsewhere that they intend to spread out the story of 'The Hobbit' over both films, supplemented by material about (e.g.) Gandalf and Dol Guldur:

      http://www.theonering.net/torwp/hobbitfaq/#1.1 [theonering.net]

      Since details of events outside Bilbo's direct experience are sketchy (LOTR appe

    • Depends. Tolkien didn't flesh those years out much beyond a general timeline, so there's nothing for them to outright destroy. As long as they do enough research to stick with the general setting and history, it could work out well.

      (I'm an optimist, I know.)

    • by VJ42 (860241)

      "The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an *original story not written by Tolkien*, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings."

      Thanks but no thanks.

      The summary is wrong, from TFA:

      "According to studio New Line, the first film will be an adaptation of The Hobbit, the novel Tolkien published before his Lord of the Rings cycle.
      The second will be an original story focusing on the 60 years between the book and the beginning of the Rings trilogy. "

      So we're getting a hobbit movie AND a new story.

      • Re:Sequel (Score:5, Funny)

        by Zalbik (308903) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:37PM (#31524200)

        "The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an *original story not written by Tolkien*, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings."

        The summary is wrong, from TFA:

        "According to studio New Line, the first film will be an adaptation of The Hobbit, the novel Tolkien published before his Lord of the Rings cycle.
        The second will be an original story focusing on the 60 years between the book and the beginning of the Rings trilogy. "

        So we're getting a hobbit movie AND a new story.

        So you're saying, we're getting "The Hobbit" movie, and a planned sequel to "The Hobbit" which is to be an *original story not written by Tolkien*, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings."?

        Thanks for clearing that up.

    • "The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an *original story not written by Tolkien*, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings." Thanks but no thanks.

      Hey come on now, Tolkien's grand kids need Ferraris, hookers, and blow. Don't begrudge them the simple hobbit necessities of life....
    • by Angostura (703910)

      I'll wait and see - there's a tremendous amount of material that Tolkien wrote covering that period - various time lines, appendices, lost tales etc. If they do that material justice, it might be fun. Doesn't Gandalf get trapped in Sauron's old hang-out in Mirk Wood, apart from anything else?. ... Gandalf and Jar Jar Binks, together at last!

    • by bozone (113268)

      you never know... it could be good

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by BlueStraggler (765543)

      Well, Tolkien did tell us all the things that happened in those 60 years, so it's not like they are going to *completely* make it up. No matter how hard they tried, they couldn't come up with a better story, than, say, the recolonization and fall of Moria, or the fight against the Necromancer in Mirkwood. My money is on the former. It will be called "Moria", and the tag line will be "They are coming..."

  • by elrous0 (869638) * on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:00PM (#31523722)
    Oh jeez, MORE walking?!?!?
  • Summary is wrong ... (Score:5, Informative)

    by krou (1027572) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:00PM (#31523728)
    I commented on the post in the Firehose after I submitted it, but the summary should've said "... is scheduled to begin in July ..." instead of June.
  • Gandalf, Elrond, Galadrial (she is not in book). And Gollum too.
  • by Junior J. Junior III (192702) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:02PM (#31523748) Homepage

    The sequel will feature a new dragon, named Aesydrayne, and a battle involving six armies, and a ring that makes you completely odorless.

    • by Culture20 (968837)
      Yes. This is what I don't understand. The 60 years in between the Hobbit and the LotR is so utterly boring that Gandalf is surprised he's had the One Ring under his nose (although he had suspicions). It was all "rumors of a necromancer", Biblo living quietly in the Shire, and Aragorn living in the woods and scaring the locals.
      • ...Biblo living quietly in the Shire, and Aragorn living in the woods and scaring the locals.

        Presented in awesome 3-D! I can't wait.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Darinbob (1142669)
        Well, Gandalf spent a lot of time doing stuff in those years. The Hobbit even has him mentioning that he needs to do something about the Necromancer (where he rescued Thorin's father and got the map to the entrance of Lonely Mountain). Meanwhile Sauron has gone from being semi-hidden to moving to Moria and rebuilding his armies. There are councils of the wise where Saruman pretends to be a good guy. There is the search for Gollum (which is also an online fan made movie). There is Aragorn growing up and
  • Oh yippy skippy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bziman (223162) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:03PM (#31523754) Homepage Journal

    Oh joy, another visually stunning film with a disjointed script, mixing Tolkien's brilliant timeless dialog with flat modern drivel penned by Fran Walsh. And the sequel... that's just going to be visually stunning with drivel for plot and dialog.

    It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't screw up the plot and dialog so badly. Ugh.

    • Re:Oh yippy skippy (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MozeeToby (1163751) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:19PM (#31523968)

      Three words, Guillermo [wikipedia.org] del [wikipedia.org] Toro [wikipedia.org]

    • by spun (1352)

      Tolkien wrote dialogue? I thought his books were fantasy travelogues: descriptions of places, leaving places, walking through places, and arriving at other places. I don't remember much in the way of dialogue. I just remember lots of walking. Oh, and maybe a few spiders and a dragon or something.

      You see, in order to have 'brilliant timeless dialogue' your characters have to have interesting motivations. The Hobbit was a classic adventure story, which quite simply does not lend itself to interesting motivati

    • by IorDMUX (870522)

      Tolkien's brilliant timeless dialog

      Are we referring to the same Tolkien, here? If you read his books, you see that J.R.R. Tolkien was not much of a writer of dialogues or painter of characters. What he was, though, was a designer of worlds of epic proportions. Tolkien's Middle Earth is what made The Lord of the Rings what it is, not the banter of transient characters.

    • That whole plot/dialog thing is so much simpler than the visual graphics right? I mean heck, Shakespeare never had to deal with raycasting or aliasing, he had it EASY!
    • Re:Oh yippy skippy (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Eil (82413) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:57PM (#31524480) Homepage Journal

      Tolkien's dialogue can't, and never could, survive a direct adaptation to the big screen. Even if it could be managed, people would still complain that the actors didn't act in the manner that they themselves had envisioned while reading the books. Perhaps more importantly, books have the luxury of taking up entire chapters to describe background, settings, and conversations; movies do not. Tolkien purists will never be satisfied with *any* adaptation of his work. Luckily for them, the source material will always be available for their enjoyment.

  • by Bicx (1042846) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:04PM (#31523762)
    ... like Jar Jar Binksarrim of the water people. And Elrond will have an affair with Galadriel. That's right, as soon as we fully Americanize this story, we will have a real winner here, folks.
    • by xleeko (551231) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:10PM (#31523842)

      ... like Jar Jar Binksarrim of the water people. And Elrond will have an affair with Galadriel. That's right, as soon as we fully Americanize this story, we will have a real winner here, folks.

      Sorry, that was only the first draft. Now, Bilbo is a time-traveling immortal who joins with a hip new Gandalf to save Middle-Earth's ozone layer.

      Then, they break dance!

    • by zero_out (1705074)
      Ewww... Elrond having an affair with his MOTHER-IN-LAW?! I know that elves age gracefully (as in, not at all), but I think that their moral standards are a bit higher than you give them credit for.
      • Well, maybe they are "hill country" elves.
      • by DarkSarin (651985)

        I think most Tolkien fans would agree that elves had higher morals than that.

        Hollywood, however, has none. Thus we get...Frodo saving the shire from dinosaurs on frickin pogo sticks--30 years before he was born.

        • by CptNerd (455084)

          I think most Tolkien fans would agree that elves had higher morals than that.

          Hollywood, however, has none. Thus we get...Frodo saving the shire from dinosaurs on frickin pogo sticks--30 years before he was born.

          "... and the hardest part was training the dinosaurs to ride pogo sticks!"

  • The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an original story not written by Tolkien, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings."

    I know that there is a lot going on during those 60 years, but none of it involves any hobbits. In fact, all the stuff that's happening is centered around Aragorn growing up and going to war, Sauron regaining his power in Mordor, after having been tossed out of Mirkwood, and Elrond's sons searching for their mother. These are unrelated story lines that are too short to constitute a movie independently.

    If there is going to be another movie based on Tolkien's Middle-Earth, it should be drawn from the Silmar

    • by Nidi62 (1525137)

      I know that there is a lot going on during those 60 years, but none of it involves any hobbits.

      Weren't there some battles and such that were fought right by the Shire, or at least near it? If I recall, that was the point of the Rangers, to protect the Western areas. And it's been a while, but in the books didn't the Hobbits have some knowledge of who the Rangers are? This would indicate an interaction of some sort. In any case, you still have Balin trying to recolonize Moria, and didn't some of the other dwarves stay after they killed the dragon?(been a while since I read the Hobbit, high school

  • by Alarindris (1253418) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:10PM (#31523840)
    Imagine buying the White Album and finding Green Day tracks spliced in to 'fill in' what The Beatles meant to do.

    I don't think I'll see either of them out of principle.
  • by PHPNerd (1039992) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:15PM (#31523910) Homepage

    The planned sequel to The Hobbit is to be an original story not written by Tolkien, covering the 60 years between The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings."

    A sequel NOT written by Tolkien? Ew. How about instead another prequel taken from The Silmarillion? That would be full of awesome, almost guaranteed to win several internets.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by pieceofstone (1579885)
      I think the news article is wrong/has outdated information. See http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41848 [aintitcool.com]
    • In theory, you're 100% correct. There's tons of material in The Silmarillion and the other early writings that are ideal for translation into screenplays... but there's two problems: 1) Licensing; the producers would have to pay even more money to Tolkein's estate; and 2) you can't fail by overestimating the American appetite for banality, but plenty of people have failed by overestimating their appetite for intelligence and depth.

      You and I, as JRRT fans, would love to see a big screen representation of The Fall of Numenor or The Tale of Beren and Luthien. These tales are the right length and the right level of complexity to permit a screenwriter plenty of artistic license and still remain faithful to Tolkein's originals. But to a studio exec, those names aren't familiar. They're only familiar to a nerds and geeks, and a minority of them at that, and they're notoriously hard to please and, even worse, known pirates and downloaders.

      Nope. The Hobbit has name recognition. Kids in the 70's and 80's were given that book to read in 9th grade Lit classes. Now those kids have money and their own kids. They're going to milk that name for all it's worth.

      I'll give del Toro the benefit of the doubt. He earned that with Pan's Labyrinth. But as soon as he shows signs of kowtowing to the studio execs and marketing pressures, I'm out. It will happen, the question is how many movies will it take?

    • by hey! (33014)

      I doubt it.

      As impressive as the Silmarillion is as an exercise in world building, it lacks the narrative ingenuity and poetic diction of LotR and even the humble *Hobbit*. The sheer scale and grandeur of the stories almost overshadows the characters in them. It is the personal urgency of doing the right thing that drives the action of LotR, at the end of which we see the entire providential tapestry. The characters of the Silmarillion are largely trapped by fate in a doomed struggle with a foe far beyon

  • How can you call something by a book name and not actually be referring to the book? That seems weird. *sigh*
    • Shameless reply to myself: there's no REASON to do so, either. Tolkien wrote tons and tons of history and stories to make movies with. Writing your own seems senseless and a waste.
  • by BobMcD (601576) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:19PM (#31523972)

    I'm in favor of the sequel. In all due reverence to Tolkien, there are other authors on this planet who have done well with fantasy works. In fact every single work of modern fantasy is derivative from Tolkien's works, and if you've ever enjoyed any of them, there's a distinct risk you'll enjoy this, too.

    What's more, since you haven't read this particular book, you're probably less likely to be underwhelmed by it. You can't compare the dialog to a book which doesn't exist.

    Finally, I think it absolutely vital for fantasy, and all fiction everywhere, to move beyond reverence for certain works. Somehow humanity managed to move beyond Shakespeare, creating new-ish works which we prefer to his, and I believe we can move beyond Tolkien. I also feel that making a new work in that same setting can be a catalyst for that evolution.

    I'm also a strong proponent of 'Lucas' Law' wherein we can democratically remove an author's control over a project if they cease to contribute to society. Introduce one too many Jar-Jar-Binks-types and the people put a referendum on the ballot to put your work into the public domain...

    Tolkien's work should be eligible for this transition as well, because nothing new is coming out of it. Or nothing was, until this sequel.

    • by RobotRunAmok (595286) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:31PM (#31524120)

      ...and create something new, genius. Something that would require a little more effort, something that would have a little more risk because it lacked an installed fan base. Something without a fuckin' elf.

      • by BobMcD (601576)

        ...and create something new, genius. Something that would require a little more effort, something that would have a little more risk because it lacked an installed fan base. Something without a fuckin' elf.

        Because no one has tried to do that ever. What brilliantly fresh idea!

    • by VShael (62735) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:32PM (#31524144) Journal

      I think it absolutely vital for fantasy, and all fiction everywhere, to move beyond reverence for certain works.

      Somehow humanity managed to move beyond Shakespeare, creating new-ish works which we prefer to his, and I believe we can move beyond Tolkien

      Yeah, there's a difference between making a modern adaptation of Shakespeare, or even a whole other thing INSPIRED by Shakespeare, and writing "Hamlet 2: The Revenge of the Prince!"

      • Yeah, there's a difference between making a modern adaptation of Shakespeare, or even a whole other thing INSPIRED by Shakespeare, and writing "Hamlet 2: The Revenge of the Prince!"

        You do realise, that Hamlet IS "The Revenge of the Prince!"?

        You might as well suggest "Die Hard 2: Nakatomi Plaza Robbery!"

      • Hamlet 2 would be 'inspired by Shakespeare'.

        Personally, if they have found an interesting story to tell in the years between Hobbit and LotR, then I'm eager to hear it. If it is well worked into Tolkiens world, I'll be happy; if not, not.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by halber_mensch (851834)

        Yeah, there's a difference between making a modern adaptation of Shakespeare, or even a whole other thing INSPIRED by Shakespeare, and writing "Hamlet 2: The Revenge of the Prince!"

        Yeah, the difference is Hamlet 2 [focusfeatures.com] has way more pyrotechnics. And Elizabeth Shue.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silmarillion [wikipedia.org]

    duh

    it will be hard to nail tolkien's tone in a made up "middle movie". even if it isn't "studio committee of frat boys"ed to death, lotr fundamentalist fanboys will eviscerate it. they can deal with no tom bombadil, since its a story line that's so out of touch with the rest of lotr that it can safely be surgically removed, but whatever they do with the rumored necromancer plotline for this "middle movie" they better be damn respectful to the world of lotr:

    http://www.storyscape.net/hobbit_necromancer.html [storyscape.net]

    as an aside, i always thought a good jumping off point for lotr fanfiction/ hollywood exploitation would be an examination of the blue wizards:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Wizards [wikipedia.org]

    so little is sketched by tolkien of them and the world to the east of mordor they went too, that it could make for some great lotr-type stories without stepping on any middle earth toes or the fanboys who guard the mythology's continuity

    it could have an east asian or russian mythology theme, keeping in touch with all those maps that overlay mordor with either germany, transylvania, or the middle east

    and maybe we would get more oliphants! ;-P

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      would be an examination of the blue wizards

      Blue wizard needs food badly!

  • May be too late. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by VShael (62735) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @12:29PM (#31524106) Journal

    Gandalf tells Bilbo he hasn't aged a day. He's celebrating his 111th birthday in the first movie.

    And in the flashback, where Bilbo finds the ring, obviously Ian Holm looked pretty much the same as he did in Fellowship.

    They should have made The Hobbit with Ian Holm a few years ago. Or at least scanned him in so we could AVATAR his performance into the movie, if the need arose.

    Now, we'll have a movie with a different Bilbo, an older Aragorn, an older Gandalf... even an older Elrond.

  • please no singing.
    • I hear there will be no songs, but there is a very long ticklefight between Thorim and Bilbo that wasn't in the book.
  • Saruman is a Decepticon!

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/5/28/ [penny-arcade.com]
  • From theonering.net

    1.2. What will be included in the two movies? According to the Empire Online interview with PJ and GDT (link above), the two movies will include all of the iconic moments in the book, The Hobbit, as well as being expanded to follow other events that occur ‘offstage.’ This includes the White Council and Gandalf’s comings and goings to Dol Guldur. Pj: “We expanded out the universe a lot more so that we weren’t just staying with Bilbo and the Dwarves on thei
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Locke2005 (849178)
      Doesn't it also include a half-hour scene of Bilbo sitting around smoking a pipe as he ages 60 years?
  • by kimvette (919543) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @01:06PM (#31524596) Homepage Journal

    Can we get Tim Burton to direct, and make it a franchise reboot?

    I can see it now: the hobbits living in an advanced society not unlike 21st century Europe undergo a genetic mutation as the result of exposure to radioactive volcanic ash. One of the hobbits becomes Lord Sauron, who proceeds to rise up and conquer the lands, forming an oppressive kingdom where he removes and monopolizes all modern technology. Society within that first generation regresses to a 10th-century-style existence. Meanwhile, Lieutenant Starbuck, an astronaut who crashed on some faraway planet, helped the hobbits form a rag tag resistance group comprised of wookies, psychlo, and griffins, stumble across a cache of F-35 Lightning fighters, and although they have never seen so much as a flashlight or even matches, over the course of two weeks, become expert fighter pilots. Did I mention these F-35 Lightnings were not what they appeared, but are actually transformers, and in the bunker-style hangar they came across, there was a large semi. Well, the transformers were remaining covert to try to learn what all these strange creatures were up to since the creatures showed a barely perceptible spark of conscious thought. Optimus Prime took pity and he and his brothers revealed their true nature to the rag tag team. They agree to help the hobbits, psychlo, wookies, and griffins wage war to overthrow Sauron. The battle was quick and decisive.

    Now for the Tim Burton twist ending: Glinda, the good witch told Lieutenant Starbuck "sorry man, but you have to go home now. I'll service you first." She gives him a BJ and tells him all he needs to do is to play the hokey pokey then he will be swiftly transported home. He does the hokey pokey, except he put is left foot in when he should have put in his right foot, so he landed in a parallel universe where the Earth is now ruled by giant tarantulas.

  • by pandrijeczko (588093) on Thursday March 18, 2010 @02:18PM (#31525538)

    I've read Lord Of The Rings a total of five times during my life (with a 6th read planned for soon), I've listen to the BBC audio adaptation several times and I played D&D and Advanced D&D for many years.

    I saw the LOTR movies once at the cinema & own the Special Edition movies which I've watched a few times - I'll even confess to shedding a quick tear when Boromir died (despite knowing it would happen) in Fellowship, when the Ents started moving in Towers, and when Bilbo and Sam were up on Mount Doom in Return.

    I don't care that the films were not completely accurate to the books, they were a great adaptation that I thoroughly enjoyed & that were hopefully easy enough on the general populace to hopefully have made them realise that fantasy tales don't all start & end with Harry Potter.

    Therefore I've decided that at 48 years of age, it's possible to care deeply about something you enjoy but that it's time to stop being too nerdy about stuff - after all, it's *JUST* entertainment, enjoy it & feel a bit happier about things in general, or don't enjoy it & go find something you do enjoy.

    As a Star Trek fan, I was appalled 10 years ago when they started talking about a prequel movie or series to the original series, but I actually quite enjoyed Enterprise (as good as DS9 and better than Voyager) and thoroughly enjoyed the complete reboot of the franchise in the latest movie... bugger timelines, bugger proper adaptations, all that matters is whether or not I enjoyed it.

    Sorry, kiddies, but when you get to my age a whole lot of stuff that used to seem really important now just gets in the way of you enjoying stuff that little bit more - so don't worry, you'll grow out of it...

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