Spiderman's Politically Correct Replacement 608
jbarr writes "In the latest Marvel Comic series 'Ultimate Fallout,' Miles Morales replaces Peter Parker who has been killed off by the Green Goblin. Morales is a half-black, half-Latino teen, and the creators haven't ruled out that he might be gay. From the article: 'Marvel's editor in chief Axel Alonso denied that having a black Spider Man was a publicity stunt. 'What you have is a Spider-Man for the 21st century who's reflective of our culture and diversity. As someone who grew up on a steady diet of Luke Cage, Hero For Hire and Shang Chi, Master of Kung Fu, I am personally invested,' he said. "
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How is a half-black, half-Latino teenager more politically correct than a white teenager?
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WHERE'S THE BLACK GWEN STACY? (Score:2, Troll)
I am so ready for another comic-book crush.
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SpiderTranny, SpiderTranny,
butt implants for a woman's fanny,
wears a bra, any size,
can't you see, he likes guys,
look out, here cums the Spider Tranny.
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There's a difference b
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Maybe I'm sensitive, but it's because I've been ridiculed, dismissed and attacked.
I transitioned in my twenties, and have lived and worked full time as a woman for over a decade in some very conservative work environments. The hormones did wonders, because even without any cosmetic surgery I don't think anyone here at work "knows" about my past, because if they did, it would get around pretty fast.
So, because I'm "stealth" I get to hear the nasty things that cis gendered people say about trans people. The gay jokes are pretty much unacceptable these days, but the jokes about trans... those still seem to be okay in a lot of people's minds. And that won't change until people speak up.
So I'm speaking up
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You are not alone. I have an Islamic surname (although I am an atheist), and the "harmless" jokes people make do bother me. I have been on the end of racism based solely on my name. I am mixed race Caucasian and Asian, half my family being originally from Pakistan, but I look completely Caucasion apart from maybe my hair so if you didn't know my surname you would have no idea.
I used to get bullied because of it at school. Nothing too bad fortunately, but not a lot of fun either. I expected that to stop in a
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Dear Sir,
I wish to complain in the strongest possible terms about the ditty you have just posted about the spider-themed superhero who wears women's clothes. Many of my best friends are superheroes, and only a few of them are transvestites.
Yours faithfully,
Metropolis Daily Planet Crime Editor, Clark Joseph Kent (Mrs.)
P.S.
I never kissed Perry White.
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In response to customer's complaints and dire threats, we have decided to cancel our planned series, and instead run a cartoon called of character "SpiderGeek", which should cause offence no one except for those far too dorky to be of any genuine concern to society. We shall moreover open the show with the non-controversial lyrics:
SpiderGeek, SpiderGeek,
no sex for social skills are weak,
what's the gender? we don't care,
concealed in filthy body hair,
watch out, there goes the SpiderGe
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People will hate regardless of what is said or how it is spoken. If you think any utterance will encourage or dissuade someone that has already made the decision engage in violence you are sadly delusional.
- Dan .
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If said person also happened to be employed at a Nuclear Power Generation Facility, (National Institutes of Health study of Workplace Cleanliness for 2008) that there are an
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ADDH
And dyslexic I'm guessing
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+1 funny
But I googled ADDH just for fun, and turns out GP is ok - ADDH is ADD with Hyperactivity.
What's up with these shrinks? The H comes and goes, and reappears in new places. I feel like I've been HADD.
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Dear Sir or Madam,
I'm writing to inform you that your use of the pejorative term, "Spider," is a hurtful and unwarranted attack on our nation's hard-working, industrious population of Arachnid Americans. The term you used (hereafter referred to as the "S-word") has a long and dark history of being used to demean, degrade, and debase select members of the animal kingdom, due to their 8-legged status. We understand that you probably grew up in a conservative household, where songs like "The Itsy Bitsy S-word" were sung freely and without any thought given to the pain and subjugation inherent in that song's subject. Could you imagine singing about a person of Caucasian ancestry climbing up a water spout, only to be frustrated by repeated rain showers washing him down again? I bet you wouldn't find it funny at all, yet you sling hurtful words around, blithely unaware of - or worse, uncaring for - the damage they do.
We hope that you will consider your word choices more carefully in the future, to avoid causing unnecessary emotional pain to our long-suffering Arachnid brethren.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Peter Parker
Director, Arachnid-American National Tolerance Initiative (AANTI)
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They already did that. They could make him a transsexual.
Spidertran!
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For that matter, when did Latino become a race?
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or better yet what is a latino? i'm sure the mexicans and peruvians think of themselves as different
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Even more, if you sit a white European Mexican next to a full-blooded Mayan Mexican and ask them both if they're "Latino," they would probably both say yes.
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They would say yes in the US, no if in Mexico.
Would a pre-Zionism Ashkenazi and a pre-Zionism Falasha think of themselves as the same race? What if their descendents are serving side-by-side in the same Tsahal outpost?
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I live in Argentina. I was born and raised here. Contrary to what most people in the US believes, most countries in South America have a wide racial diversity, with original inhabitants (aborigenes) being a minority in many of those countries. Regardless, we don't have racial issues (at least in most countries, certainly not in Argentina), and no PC bullshit (You can call someone "negro" or "negrito", it's usually a kind word, and can be used regardless of your actual skin color, that is, people usually call you negro or negrito even if you are white, and it's seen as a sign of affection, a kind word). We see ourselves as Americans, since America is the name of the entire continent (regardless of how US citizens use the word), and you'll hear people in South America talk about American history (refering to the history of the entire continent, from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego), American people, American cultures, etc, etc. We use "America" and "Americano" in our songs, to refer to people from anywhere in either North, South or Central America.
Latino is a fucking stupid word, since technically it defines anyone that speaks a Romance language, so, by definition, "Latino" includes lots of European countries (France, Spain, Portugal, Romania, Italia, etc). By this definition, the fucking stupid pope is "Latino", and so where the Romans.
Since it's about language and not race, it also includes, for example, all Brazilians, Including a big part of their population who is black (descendants from former slaves bought from Africa). By the stupid PC standard used in the US, those should be called African-American too ;)
So, No, nobody that is from South America will identify as a "Latino", except for the stupid soldouts (either those that didn't have the balls to stay and emigrated to the US, or those that drank all the cool aid and actually identify with so called 'urban' culture, such as most Puerto Rican youth.
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What's a white European Mexican?
A Mexican of pure Spanish descent (no indian or moor in the ole' gene pool).
It’s not a race – it’s a cultura (Score:3)
So, you can be Hispanic if you have lived in southern California for the past 10 generations or if you Nazi grandparents had fled to Argentina. Which can lead to some interesting situations. For example, my mom was classified as by her employer as Hispanic when there was a democratic was president and not when a republican was president. And while Mexicans and Peruvians think of themselves different, I would be most would think of themselves as hispanic - just like English and Germans would thenk of themse
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But hey, let's all ignore history and heritage, unless the color of the history and heritage in question is something other than white.
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The Victorian notion of "race" is of course nonsense, as much an artifact of how the Europeans explored the world as anything else. But there's no doubt that there are identifiable biological populations, all closely related (as compared to, say, chimpanzee populations), but still unique in some genetic and/or morphological sense. What the European explorers failed to pick up on was that there are no sharp divides, that populations exist as continuums, one merging into the other, so, if you look at two populations separated by say, several thousand miles of territory, you will find some striking differences, but if you view the intermediates, you find much more commonality.
For instance, the Victorian notion of race basically had one sub-Saharan African population, the Negro, when in fact genetics and morphology indicates at least four or five distinct groups, and probably more. A bushman and Zulu warrior were tossed together by the European racial theorists, when in fact there are very clear differences. In fact, sub-Saharan Africa has more genetic variation than is present in any other population in the world. There is no "negro" race per se.
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Well, for Hispanics, for the most part, it isn't a racial description at all, it's just that the United States has this notion of identifiable ethno-racial groups, and that's where Hispanic comes into it. You're damned straight that the some Dominican of mixed African-Spanish ancestry isn't going to, physically, look much like someone of mixed Inca-Spanish descent, but the long shadow of 19th century racial theory has to some extent been cemented in law, so that you end up suspending disbelief and declarin
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Except there are white Latinos (lots of them--some with blonde hair, blue eyes and all). Depending on how much they intermarried with the natives, there are people whose families have lived in Latin America since the Conquistador era who are more European than I am. Then there are pure indian Latinos who don't have a drop of European blood in them. There are even blacks in Cuba and the Caribbean who would call themselves "Latino" too. It's a unique situation in the Spanish/Portuguese New World, very differe
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'Politically correct' now just means things that angry white men don't like. Often that includes (and I don't know why) people of other races, religions, etc.
The article is from the Daily Mail, no surpise there.
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I suspect it's being called PC because it seems they reached into the grab bag of classic PC definitions, swirled their hand around, and pulled out something that fit. They even did it in a parallel universe and then tried to claim it wasn't a publicity stunt. Now, if a half black half latino possibly gay character that they seemed to pull out of the ether isn't PC, what is?
What's more, it seems that they went in with the idea of "we'll make him not a white guy" and worked backward from there.
Is it a proble
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it says "the creators haven't ruled out that he's gay." well, okay, i'm sure they haven't ruled out a lot of things, so we drop that obvious bit of sensationalism.
which leaves half-black/half-latino. i don't see why this counts as two instances of PCness. if he were quarter-asian, quarter-native american, quarter-black, quarter-white, would that count as three instances, or four? or maybe it grows exponentially, and it's eight?
seriously, he's just of non-white mixed race. that's it. big fucking deal.
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it says "the creators haven't ruled out that he's gay." well, okay, i'm sure they haven't ruled out a lot of things, so we drop that obvious bit of sensationalism.
which leaves half-black/half-latino. i don't see why this counts as two instances of PCness. if he were quarter-asian, quarter-native american, quarter-black, quarter-white, would that count as three instances, or four? or maybe it grows exponentially, and it's eight?
seriously, he's just of non-white mixed race. that's it. big fucking deal.
Who said anything about multiple instances of being PC? Hell, it would probably have been less an obvious political statement if he was just X vice mix of X and Y. I also never said anything about him being mixed being a big deal, in and of itself. However, when you do put in that "he just might be gay" plus the seemingly out of thin air nature of the character it does seem as if they just decided to replace the white spidey with non-white spidey because he's a non-white spidey as opposed to some other reas
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What if the new Spidey was white but still not an established friend/ally/confidant? Would you still be on /. arguing that Marvel "pulled him out of the ether" for the sake of being "politically correct"?
It depends on the make up of the universe in question. I will admit I've never read the issue, or any of them for that matter. However, you kinda just proved my point. Unless there is more back story to be had it looks exactly like what I said. They pulled a person of type X out of the ether to make a statement. It seems more like the character, from the way it is being presented, exists because of what they are vice who they are and that is where it becomes PC. Someone else said you can't come up with an o
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I suspect it's being called PC because it seems they reached into the grab bag of classic PC definitions, swirled their hand around, and pulled out something that fit. They even did it in a parallel universe and then tried to claim it wasn't a publicity stunt. Now, if a half black half latino possibly gay character that they seemed to pull out of the ether isn't PC, what is?
What's more, it seems that they went in with the idea of "we'll make him not a white guy" and worked backward from there.
Is it a problem to have a super hero who is X where X is not "a white male"? Of course not. But in this case, it does look like they set out to create that and then tried to make it make sense. That's what makes it PC, not just what the character is.
On the other hand, if this new character had been an established friend/ally/confidant of Parker's and then took up the mantle when Parker fell, that wouldn't have been PC as it would have been a logical outgrowth of the story that just happened to flow that way.
It looks that way to you. Does it look that way to the rest of us?
Do you think it would look that way to mixed race comic fans?
"PC" is a code word for "things that I'm sensitive about". There is no objective definition possible.
No idea. I speak only for myself and wouldn't presume to speak for others of any race/sex/whatever. We're all individuals, right? Maybe they don't view it that way or maybe they may view it as pandering.
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'Politically correct' now just means things that angry white men don't like.
Well, to some extent that's been the case since the term first became mainstream around 20 years ago, when it was popularised by those on the right adopting it as a *derogatory* term.
Before that it was primarily restricted to left-wing academics in the field, and even then it's unclear if more than a handful ever used it in a non-ironic sense. [wikipedia.org]
I'd argue that "political correctness" as the term is used today is essentially a strawman representation of its original meaning. That's not to say that the o
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Because a gay half-black, half-Latino teen is much more "reflective of our culture and diversity". I mean, there's probably more than 100 people like that! I for one feel that it's great that elitist whites controlling the media have finally awoken to such a significant and previously ignored demographic.
RTFA (Score:3)
RTFA: because in the 21st century, everyone is black and latino and a teenager and gay. Duh.
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He represents lack of imagination (Score:2)
Even reading the stories on this change it is very evident, they are out of ideas.
What they are doing wrong is dismissing the large number of minority superheros that already exist but simply do not get much attention. So instead they have to repackage and existing character and hope to get away with it. It reminds me of the New Coke debacle.
I have no problem with them having a new hero with similar powers, someone who takes up the mantle but it obviously not the original nor ever claims to be such. Still f
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(Note: This being the internet, I expect some of you may interpret this as a specific attack toward blacks and Latinos...)
I didn't read it that way at all. I read it as an attack on anyone who is not a white male. Although I'm betting you don't like some of those, too.
I agree that preferential treatment sucks. Having a non-white Spiderman doesn't fall into that category. He just isn't white. It also gives the writers some room to create interesting and new stories.
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(accidentally posted as AC, posting again under my account)
He represents the minorities. You know, the same minorities that get offered scholarships based on their race or gender;
The overwhelming majority of those "minority" scholarships (including the United Negro College Fund [uncf.org]) are actually open to all. There are a few scholarships that are limited to various demographics, including those of European ancestry.
the minorities that get hired in order to fill a quota,
Sounds just like "welfare queens driving Cadillacs" in that it doesn't exist. Quotas are illegal (in the USA at least), it's been that way since the 1970's.
with no regard for their actual qualifications;
Which would explain why minority unemployment in the USA is less than that of white unemployment, amirite? Oh wait [photobucket.com].
the minorities that can say whatever they want and play the discrimination card when someone calls them out, while the rest of us are told to shut up and be tolerant; the minorities that never seem to be at fault for anything, always shifting the blame to the persecution of the majority.
Remember the time when Al Sharpton picketed the Colleen Pageant? Yeah, neither do I.
This being the internet, I expect some of you may interpret this as a specific attack toward blacks and Latinos
This being the internet, I would have expected that you would have backed up your rant with some, what are they called again? Oh yeah, facts.
Why Affirmative Action is necessary (Score:4, Insightful)
I see this whole "preferential treatment" BS a lot. Before you go spouting off again, here are a few things to keep in mind. Let's take African-Americans as an easy example, since that is where Affirmative Action is almost always applied.
For hundreds of years, African-Americans were brutally oppressed. All of a sudden, in 1964, it became illegal to discriminate against them in many places, such as housing, jobs, etc. However, it's not like on midnight July 2, all of a sudden, African-Americans, who had been systematically denied access to things like education, job opportunities, social infrastructure, etc. were equipped with all of the tools, knowledge, and contacts to really be equal. And it's not like all of a sudden, the vast white infrastructure steeped in bigotry and racism suddenly said, "You know, let's give these folks a fair chance."
Unfortunately, what happened is that racism continued in various forms, just as it continues today. You have two candidates, one African-American and one majority white, applying for a job, each with equal qualifications? The theory behind giving the job to the African-American is two-fold. First of all, it is an effort to try to right the wrongs of centuries past. That African-American person who gets the job will now be able to send their kids to college, to integrate themselves in a more equal social structure, to provide much-needed diversity that will make opportunities truly equal, not just equal "on paper." Secondly, as for the white candidate that got turned down? Don't feel too sorry for him or her. Statistically speaking, that person has a much better chance at finding another job, and getting paid more for it, than his African-American counterpart would were the situation reversed.
People kill me, acting like those poor white people are so disadvantaged because of Affirmative Action. The stats just don't bear that out. I don't know a single white person who has ever said, "Wow, I wish that I were African-American!" because their job prospects would be better. They're not. I don't know a single white person who has ever said, "Wow, I wish that I were African-American!" because they wanted better pay. Why do you think that the recent recession has hammered minority communities a lot harder than white communities? Because even today, almost 50 years after the Civil Rights Act was passed, there are huge disparities in minority employment and minority pay as compared to their white counterparts. So yeah, poor white people, being all discriminated against with Affirmative Action. What's your idea for providing equal opportunity and upholding the Civil Rights Act?
Also, one thing that I think is lost on a lot of people is that it's not like if you have a large company, you have to have a 50/50 split of minority/majority employees. Affirmative Action only kicks when when there is such a significant statistical deviation from the norm that you are obviously discriminating in your hiring practices. If you have 2,000 employees in an area where minority population is, say, 20%, but only 3% of your employees are minorities, something's wrong, and you're going to get bitten. If 19% or 18% of your employees are minorities, you're not going to have a problem.
So when people gripe about Affirmative Action, I have to ask, okay, so what exactly do you think should be the result of flagrantly disregarding the 1964 Civil Rights Act? Let's say I'm a company with 2000 employees, and I have an implicit hiring policy not to hire any minorities, which is against the law. If there's no Affirmative Action, what's the punishment? I get to just keep right on discriminating and hiring white people exclusively because I hand-wave the law off saying, "they make better candidates"? I'm not asking at what point you draw the line between someone discriminating and someone not, but if you're against Affirmative Action, you're basically saying there should be no line, and without some sort of
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You have two candidates, one African-American and one majority white, applying for a job, each with equal qualifications? The theory behind giving the job to the African-American is two-fold.
What you just described is not affirmative action, it's an illegal quota. Affirmative action is about making sure that admissions/hiring policies aren't racist (for example if your factory is located in a mostly black region and yet 99% of your workforce is white guys, AA policies say you have to make sure your hiring practices aren't excluding/precluding blacks from apply there. If the owner investigates his hiring policies and the ultimate reason is "there just aren't enough qualified black guys out there
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I just want to know why it's cool to call "white" people "white" by it's not okay for someone to be "black." You have to use the term "African-American" over and over—a term that is particularly confusing if someone is of Jamaican or Haitian descent.
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You're approaching the problem from a strictly utilitarian perspective, disregarding the fundamental human rights.
All people should be treated equally by the law, period. No racism, and no "reverse racism". Anything else, and you'll find out just how far the pendulum can swing back once it reaches the extreme.
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Then demand universal access to education instead of whining about a group of people who actually succeeded in pushing forward something that benefits them while doing no harm to you.
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Wait, what? Why should "athletic excellence" count for a damn thing? We're talking about education, and furthering ones intellectual pursuits. Why exactly should the fact that someone can throw a ball or run really fast mean they get money for extra education while a smarter (although not brilliant) kid who is a better study does not? If they're good at sports, great, let'em go to football camp or something, but if they want an educational scholarship, perhaps they should display intellectual aptitude. And please don't tell me about how it's because the university can make money off of sports, that doesn't strike me as any better than saying we should have special scholarships for exotic dancers because then the school can open a strip club. Schools are in the education business, not the entertainment industry.
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You're one of those guys who thinks that once the Jim Crow laws were repealed, well, the blacks would just magically recover after a few centuries of economic and social suppression.
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Why don't you apply for a minority scholarship, not get it, and then sue?
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Precisely. We need to fix this inequality by adding even more inequality and giving certain minorities more benefits than others have! The situation could be worse, so you have no right to complain about anything.
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So some white kid who grew up in a nasty trailer park with a father in jail and mother on welfare, and has no money at all for college and had to be on the free lunch program in high school because they had no money for food, is somehow part of the "privileged class" and deserves nothing, while some black kid from a middle class family deserves free college tuition simply because he's black?
It truly is a bleak age when people are able to coast simply because of the color of their skin, while others who truly are impoverished are left in the cold because of the color of their skin.
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Hi, black male here.
I'm not the one you responded to, but I'll have you know that I'm sick and tired of people playing the discrimination card just for getting personal gain. I could have entered some programs just for being black, even when I didn't qualify otherwise. I declined.
Stop discrimination: give everyone the same treatment. That would do more towards equality than anything else.
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But NO IRISH promised Marvel (Score:5, Funny)
Next up, Wolverine's special two-part Bar Mitzvah issue! L'chaim!
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Next up, Wolverine's special two-part Bar Mitzvah issue! L'chaim!
If you think that will be fun, you should have seen the Bris edition!
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Next up, Wolverine's special two-part Bar Mitzvah issue! L'chaim!
If you think that will be fun, you should have seen the Bris edition!
I give up; how did they counter his mutant healing factor?
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Next up, Wolverine's special two-part Bar Mitzvah issue! L'chaim!
If you think that will be fun, you should have seen the Bris edition!
I give up; how did they counter his mutant healing factor?
Well played .. I didn't even think about that aspect. I was more thinking about him performing the act.
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I give up; how did they counter his mutant healing factor?
A very good mohel with an adamantium knife.
finally a truly great new char: The Circumciser (Score:3)
"Need your clothes, boots and and foreskin."
"You forgot to say L'chaim!"
Bendis is writing it. (Score:3)
How is that "politically correct"? (Score:5, Insightful)
Political correctness is daintily tip-toeing around words and phrases because those words or phrases may or may not be taboo relative to modern cultural, racial, religious, sexual, etc. constructs.
A Spiderman with non-white ethnic background is just diverse. Anyone can get bitten by a radioactive spider.
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A Spiderman with non-white ethnic background is just diverse. Anyone can get bitten by a radioactive spider.
Wouldn't a Japanese Spiderman have been more likely.
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Being diverse for the sake of diversity is political correctness. If you're wanting to tell the story of a mixed race youth who happens to be a web slinger, that's not political correctness. If you're wanting to tell the story of a web slinger who just happens to be mixed race so you appeal to a broader audience, that's political correctness. It's too early to tell which way they'll go with this.
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Don't you know what political correctness is? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Don't you know what political correctness is? (Score:5, Insightful)
Making a deal about race is what got the US into the mess in the first place and to fix it we are going to focus on race? Race plays too big of a role in the American conscience and in order to fix our problem we need to make this a "nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character".
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No. Racism got the U.S. into the mess in the first place, and to fix it we need to acknowledge the role that racism played in our history, that the effects of racist policies linger on for generations after the policies were removed, and that racism is still with us today as a socioeconomic force.
Instead, we still have people glorifying the Confederacy, an anti-American organization de
Not the real Spider-Man (Score:2)
Spider man killed and replaced (Score:2)
Am I the only that can't get the thought out of his head that the new spider-man was bitten by a radioactive spider-man?
Otherwise he'd turn into a spider after all.
Who cares? (Score:2)
"politically correct?" (Score:5, Insightful)
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My own kids are half latino. The concept doesn't seem all that far-fetched to me. The origin of my half-breed kids has much more to do with hormones than politics.
"Politically Correct" is such a cheap way to insult people or ideas. It's so blatantly lazy to diss a stereotype rather than explore an idea.
And if this Spiderman is obviously contrived to reach some emerging demographic, what's new? Wasn't a big part of Peter Parker's appeal that he was a loser nerd with a good heart, suddenly gifted with gre
Obiigatory Big Bang Theory, re: Miles Morales (Score:3)
Howard: Oh, come on. Why would you do that?
Raj: Bruce Banner, Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Stephen Strange, Otto Octavius, Silver Surfer, Peter Parker, oh, and worst of all, J. Jonah Jameson, Jr.
Howard: Okay, I'm cutting. I'm not gonna talk to Stan Lee after you cheese him off.
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Raj: Mine says, "To Raj, from Stan Lee."
Howard: That's 'cause you pissed him off about his character names.
Raj: Hey, I didn't even mention Dum Dum Dugan or Green Goblin, Matt Murdock, Pepper Potts, Victor Von Doom, oh, and worst of all, Millie the Model.
Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Invincible Iron Man, Happy Hogan, Curt Connors...
Howard: Would you just let it go?
Raj: And worst of all, Fin Fang Foom.
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Why is being black/latino "politically correct"? (Score:4, Insightful)
All those blacks, latinos, and gays walking around -- who knew that their very existence is a challenge to samzenpus and jbarr's political beliefs?
Certainly comics should only depict people who look like the vast majority in the United States as of 1950. They should only be marketed toward those people, who rightfully define our country in their own image. Anything else would be politically ... umm .... incorrect.
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Because the Daily Fail routinely stirs the racial and homophobic pot with these overly sensationalist stories.
It strikes me as racist (Score:2)
It puts emphasis on superficial differences by trying to apply an arbitrary ontology on everyone.
For example, most media "latinos" are portraid as dark haired, brownish skinned people (which is not true in general, it depends on the particular population). They fail to include all the other latin populations: italians, spanish, french, romanian, portuguese, brazilian, etc. (I'm argenti
Spiderman? Get the name right (Score:2)
It's Spider-man, not Spiderman. Unless the new character is Saul Spiderman from upstate New York.
Leave him the fuck alone (Score:4, Insightful)
Italian artist Sara Pichelli, who designed Spider-Man's new look, added: 'Maybe sooner or later a black or gay - or both - hero will be considered something absolutely normal.’
How about you make a NEW superhero that is black or gay, or whatever, and for the superheroes that I grew up with just leave them the fuck alone! Where's your goddamn originality? Of course this is a fucking gimmick to make money, you stupid asshole!
The idiotic thing... (Score:3)
...is they essentially undid all of Peter's character development, erased his marriage, made him back to a 'single nerdy guy'...and then killed him off and replaced him.
Hey, idiots? Why not just, I dunno, injure him, or remove his powers, or something, and let him retire in peace with his wife? And then have a new guy take over?
Yes, yes I'm aware Peter will probably be back from the dead, and take back up his position, but, seriously. Either you keep the character as he's changed and grown over the years, or you should just let him walk off into the sunset and bring in some new young single person for people to relate to. You don't rewrite his life and then kill him off and then bring in someone new.
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Erm, I wasn't talking about the Ultimate universe. I have no problem with anything going on over there.
I'm talking about the normal Marvel universe, where they magically erased Spider-Man's marriage to Mary Jane. (A marriage, which should be noted, fans had no problems with for two decades.)
And, frankly, the existence of Ultimate Spider-Man makes this even more absurd. If people wanted to read single, young Spider-Man, they know where to get him!
At the same time, they also erased public knowledge of his
See, what you did there, that was racist. (Score:3)
I was uninterested until I read this part (Score:3)
"'Marvel's editor in chief Axel Alonso denied that having a black Spider Man was a publicity stunt. 'What you have is a Spider-Man for the 21st century who's reflective of our culture and diversity. As someone who grew up on a steady diet of Luke Cage, Hero For Hire and Shang Chi, Master of Kung Fu, I am personally invested,' "
Ok, first, you're also personally invested in staying employed. I figured that out.
And you're also a hypocrite, or just a Progressive. 'denied having a black Spider Man was a publicity stunt? There is virtually NO OTHER REASON to do this, than to gain publicity and sales.
Please. Don't apologize or try to justify this as anything other than sales driven. It's ok. You are in the business of selling comics. Grow a set of your own and be comfortable with your career. Sheesh. Such disingenous BS leaves me with no respect for ya, Axel.
Stop calling him "politcally correct" (Score:3)
Marvel's been saying that Ultimate Peter Parker is going to die and be replaced by a new hero for months now, and there was very little complaint outside of a few people who didn't want to see Peter die and a few people that didn't think anybody else should be called Spider-Man. Now that we know he's not white, there's articles all over the mainstream media and even slashdot complaining that he's "Politically Correct"?
I can respect people who don't want to see Peter die and people that don't think anybody expect Peter should be Spidey, but if you think that the new Spider-Man is "politically correct", then you're the racist here, not Marvel Comics.
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Yeah the Daily Mail could tell me that today is Wednesday and I'd still double-check.
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Yes, the Daily Fail routinely picks up on stories that are true but then purposefully leaves out necessary facts in their reporting in order to create a controversy that doesn't exist. In this story they leave out the fact that this is in an alternate universe comic series. In the main series, Spiderman is still white bread Peter Parker. From what Daily Fail would like you to believe, Marvel has removed Peter Parker entirely yet this is just not true.
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Wait? The Daily Mail is overstating something in order to create a false controversy? SAY IT AINT SO!!!!!
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This is just an alternate universe series. Spiderman is still Peter Parker in the main series. Daily Fail is creating a false controversy to stir the pot. OH NOES! Marvel creates a character that is a minority and gay!! THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH!!!
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This is actually the outcome of the last write-in campaign.
According to USA Today [thedailywh.at], Miles Morales is drawn to look like Donald Glover.