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Comparing Sci-fi Starship Sizes 553

LiberalApplication writes "It looks like someone has very lovingly created something that sci-fi fans everywhere will likely want to see; if not out of curiosity, then at least to revitalize the burning, seething, grudges between fanatics of rival science-fiction universes. Starship Dimensions places images of various starships from science fiction settings such as Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, ID4, Macross/Robotech, Lexx, Freespace, and Battlestar Galactica side-by-side, in scale! The author has also conveniently included football fields, humans, King Kong, and buildings for comparison. You can even drag them around the page and stage your own interstellar battle royale."
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Comparing Sci-fi Starship Sizes

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  • slashdotted (Score:5, Funny)

    by neurostar ( 578917 ) <neurostarNO@SPAMprivon.com> on Saturday April 12, 2003 @12:48PM (#5716331)

    Well, it looks like the battle happened before I got there... all the ships are gone already :(

    • by uptownguy ( 215934 ) <UptownGuyEmail@gmail.com> on Saturday April 12, 2003 @12:55PM (#5716376)
      Hahaha! It is amazing, when you think about it... What other force on the Internet is as powerful as /.? Within 60 seconds of the original article appearing on the front page of Slashdot, the linked site was already taken down.

      Ethical question: Do we owe our linked site owners some advance warning before our herd of tribbles swarms onto their bridge?
      Bonus Question: Is it possible to be karma whoring AND trolling at the same time?
      • by bubblegoose ( 473320 ) <bubblegoose@ g m a i l . c om> on Saturday April 12, 2003 @02:46PM (#5716822) Homepage Journal
        Actually the site was down before it when live on the front page. I was getting some page loads and some 404s while it just being previewed for subscribers.
      • by Cpt_Kirks ( 37296 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @04:54PM (#5717299)
        What other force on the Internet is as powerful as /.? Within 60 seconds of the original article appearing on the front page of Slashdot, the linked site was already taken down.

        You know, according to the Patriot Act, /. could be classifed as a terrorist device.
    • by FlashBIOS ( 665492 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:03PM (#5716417)
      Well, it is on IIS - I Infrequently Serve.
    • Re:slashdotted (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Ramion ( 178075 )
      Slashdot should really really start getting a way to mirror sites that dont look like that can hold the presure and go down as fast as this.

      Its annoying for us that read this site that half the sites you link to dont work.

      Its a pain in the ass for the people that have the sites. Either because they have them at home at some small adsl connection or at a expensive host company that might uphold the /. effect, but then charge the poor person for all the traffic.

      You should really make a client where you mir
      • Eureka! (Score:5, Interesting)

        by snilloc ( 470200 ) <jlcollins AT hotmail DOT com> on Saturday April 12, 2003 @05:27PM (#5717483) Homepage
        /. cannot ask to mirror a site for legal reasons, nor can they just go ahead and mirror it.

        What is needed is for site authors to pre-emptively allow mirroring. This could be done with some kind of apache mod (as somebody has suggested below) or with a simple statement like "Please mirror this site if you're going to post a link to this site that is likely to generate massive amounts of traffic."

        perhaps some sort of web content license that allows for mirroring... Just so that nobody has to ask before either posting to /. or mirroring.

        Seriously though, anybody posting a site about dimensions of sci-fi starships must have some knowledge of slashdot and the possibility of getting /.ed.

        • Re:Eureka! (Score:3, Insightful)

          by arkanes ( 521690 )
          They can't ASK for legal reasons? I respect Slashdot not wanting to deal with the issues surrounding mirrors, but that's just stupid.
    • Re:slashdotted (Score:5, Informative)

      by alphaseven ( 540122 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:40PM (#5716564)
      The site was up on Metafilter yesterday, and it even had trouble handling that traffic. Nice site though, you could choose from a few different resoluctions from 1 metre per pixel up to 2000 metres per pixel. And you could drag the images around to compare.

      The largest was the second Death Star from episode 6, followed by some alien ship from Macross 2, and the ID4 mothership (which held several 24 kilometer city destroyers).

      Also included were ships from Star Trek (the probe from episode IV was huge) Lexx, Babylon 5, Hitchhikers Guide, Battlestar Galactica... that's all I can remember. It borrowed some graphics and the look from skyscraperpage.com [skyscraperpage.com].

    • by fbg111 ( 529550 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @02:34PM (#5716790)
      When ddos'ers successfully crash your server, they move on to the next victim. When the slashdotters crash your server, they sit around bitching about your IIS POS, till you're back online, then they slashdot you again.
    • by Pharmboy ( 216950 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @02:40PM (#5716809) Journal
      Slashdot Readers:
      More power, dammit! Show us your pretty pictures!

      Webmaster Scotty:
      She can't taking anymore Captain! She's givin' us all she's got, but she can't take the slashdotting!
  • by smoondog ( 85133 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @12:49PM (#5716339)
    I guess comparing spaceship sizes is really important to /. readers. Always reminds me of the scene in "Stand By Me" where the kids argue over the superiority of mighty mouse vs superman.

    -Sean
  • by villain170 ( 664238 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @12:50PM (#5716346) Homepage
    This guy has got to have way too much time on his hands.

    Oh wait. Isn't there some kind of saying about people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing something... forget it. I forgot who I am and what I do for a second. :-D
  • by Photon01 ( 662761 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @12:50PM (#5716348)
    What i've always wanted to know is how do sci-fi starships always manage to be the same way up?

    I'd love to be watching star trek, and see a bird of prey fly along upside down in relation to the Enterprise.
    • What's even funnier is that when these always upright ships lose power they "lose" the ability to stay upright and drift on their side or upside down.
      • by Apaturia ( 155233 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @12:58PM (#5716393)
        What I find even more pathetic is when they have ships surrounding them and say "we can't go anywhere!". Have they not EVER heard of the third dimension? Ya know, UP or DOWN?

        Reminds me of a Futurama episode, where people encircle a ship so that it won't move. The ship just moves up and speeds away. :)
        • That is cunning...
      • by Anonymous Brave Guy ( 457657 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @02:38PM (#5716801)
        What's even funnier is that when these always upright ships lose power they "lose" the ability to stay upright and drift on their side or upside down.

        Actually, when artifial gravity fails, the graviton matrix that supports the inertial effect degenerates, and you get a recoil effect resulting in exactly that. Don't they teach you kids anything in high school any more?

        Wait... This is 2203, right? Because if it's gone wrong and I've jumped too far again, the time cops are going to ki

    • The reason is that in free-flight, they arbitrarily choose a direction to be 'up' to function as the Z-axis in whatever coordinate/sector/grid system they use. Typically this would be perpendicular to whatever the plane is of your galaxy, so in our case here in the Milky Way, x and y would be across the galactic disc, and Z would be a line going through the core. Totally arbitrary, but helpful to allow humans to 'visualize' their position in the galaxy while warping from place to place. So, to keep thing
      • by SlashdotLemming ( 640272 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:30PM (#5716533)
        The reason is that...

        No it isn't
        You think every race in the universe decided on a standard AND they all use it? HAH!!!
        In my experience as an intergalactic pilot I can tell you that, in general, a ship, while not travelling, is in a position normal to the celestial body that is exerting the largest gravitational pull on it. While traveling, a path is planned to the destination, this path is not a straight line, but a series of arcs and lines, depending on whether or not gravity is being used as a mechanism of propulsion. So, for each point in the path, a ship is either in the position it was in during its last point, or it is in transition to the position it must be in to take the next point of the journey. Often this is dictated by the design of the ship, more importantly, the flexibility of the propulsion unit. If your thrusters have a wide range of motion, then you have a bigger range of what your 'up' position could be relative to your path, and a larger set of choices for path planning
        Now, if we're talking about a super-spectral propulsion mechanism.. err.. oh gods of vacuous matter, I've said too much already.

        • You think every race in the universe decided on a standard AND they all use it? HAH!!!


          Well, apparently every race in the universe decided on a standard for video and audio formats! So it isn't too far of a stretch...


          Unless maybe the viewscreens in all these ships automatically swap codecs written in a 'universal programming language' - Universal Java Space Edition - UJSE?

          --jeff++

      • Since virtually all movie and TV spaceships have artificial gravity (even when they're still using some archaic V2-like rocket for propulsion, (because freefall is impossible to do on a budget), and the "real" acceleration is almost always going to be along the axis of the ship, it "stands to reason" (mine anyway) that the decks should be perpendicular to the axis, i.e. you're usually travelling "straight up" if you're standing on the deck. This would have the advantage of making the artificial gravity simp
    • Babylon 5 did that a few times, most notably in the Aliance's attack on Earth's forces over Mars during the Earth Civil War.
    • Also, how the hell do physics work in sci-fi? At least in games, have you noticed how you move along in space by firing up engines to a constant rate of thrust? In space, this would equal a constant rate of acceleration if you forget about minor gravity variances from nearby planets/stars/what-have-ye because there is no drag in space. Also, it's funny that ships in games slow down merely by decreasing the thrust from said engines... Star Trek does this too if I'm not mistaken, with constant thrust from sta

      • If this is a preferred mode of flight for human brains, why can't we imagine these ships having thrusters in all directions compensating movement and accelleration to that it appears to the pilot as if it's constant thrust?
      • To be fair, we haven't yet designed an engine that will allow us to move faster than light. Maybe moving through subspace involves a force akin to wind resistance. I know that in Star Commander 2, normal physics applied in star systems and battle scenes, but interstellar travel forced you to use fuel the whole way.
      • That's because they actually record those scenes underwater, and the "starships" are actually submarines.

        Moya from Farscape is actually just a squid.

        :-]

      • You seem to have played the wrong games. In one of my favorite space-game, Frontier [frontier.co.uk], you speed up, turn your engines off and let the inertion do the 'flying' for you. Then, when the time is right, you have to fire up your retro-rockets to slow down, or rotate the ship 180 and fire the main engines. If you are good, you don't crash into the space station at 10000 km/s
  • Quality webserver he has going there.

    On the plus side, this is painfully geeky, so maybe it's better that the world doesn't see it. :P

  • /.ed already (Score:5, Informative)

    by ezs ( 444264 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @12:51PM (#5716354) Homepage
    Google cache at http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:VpYcwkEeC1sC: zardalu.sytes.net/+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 .. just watching the bandwith being sucked out of that thing..
  • Wow...I feel sorry for whomever runs that site...to have it die in ONE minute of being linked by slashdot? What is that guy's hosting limit, 2 simultaneous connections?
    • Re:LOL (Score:3, Informative)

      by brad-x ( 566807 )
      Probably PWS - it only allows 15 or so connections AFAIK; isn't getting a personal webserver slashdotted everyone's worst nightmare? ;)
  • by Xpilot ( 117961 )
    And I thought I had too much time on my hands. And I find stuff like that strangely compelling. Even now I think "why didn't I think of doing something like that?". It would really impress the girls...uh...right?
  • Yes, but... (Score:5, Funny)

    by namespan ( 225296 ) <namespan.elitemail@org> on Saturday April 12, 2003 @12:54PM (#5716367) Journal
    Do they have sizes in VW bugs?

    After all, how are we supposed to compare these ships relative to the size of earth threatening meteors/asteroids [slashdot.org] without the good ol' VW bug metric?
  • by mumblestheclown ( 569987 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @12:56PM (#5716381)
    1. The site is slashdotted.
    2. it runs IIS.
    3. therefore, microsoft is evil.
    • 4. ....
      5. Profit!
    • Re:Slashdot logic.. (Score:2, Interesting)

      by GigsVT ( 208848 )
      Apparently the site isn't slashdotted. Even in the Mysterious Future, the index page was missing. Either they heard they were going to be slashdotted and took it down, or it was just very bad timing.

      Another argument for having some sort of instant feedback to the editors on the red articles, if a link is broken on a story like this, what's the point of even running the story?
    • Well, think about it a minute... it's not helping us slashdotters access sci-fi stuff we want to see. Of course it's evil!

      ;)

  • Strange ... (Score:3, Funny)

    by itsme1234 ( 199680 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @12:57PM (#5716385)
    What ? No WV bug comparison ?
  • SpaceBalls (Score:5, Funny)

    by AntEater ( 16627 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @12:58PM (#5716392) Homepage
    I'm sure none of those ships are as big as the one that they show during the opening scenes of SpaceBalls. That one was BIG!

    "Ludicrous Speed!"
  • by mansa ( 94579 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:02PM (#5716410)
    Here's an interesting graphic comparing ship size [st-minutiae.com].

    -Mansa
  • by marlingrando ( 602657 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:09PM (#5716446)
    You can see the image discribed in the original post here [216.239.57.100] Beware, there are a few popups from the link though...
  • We brake for nobody.
  • Home Connection (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Kyoya ( 152664 )
    I take it no one noticed the .sytes.net address. He was running that from his home connection via a no-ip type of setup. Odd are good the poor guys computer is now drooling on the floor. That will teach him for doing something geeky and not using the appropriate bandwidth.
    • Odd are good the poor guys computer is now drooling on the floor. That will teach him for doing something geeky and not using the appropriate bandwidth.

      Nah, even an ordinary PC can easily saturate the amount of bandwidth ADSL offers. If anything's smoking, it's the router just upstream from him.
  • by mraymer ( 516227 ) <mraymer&centurytel,net> on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:18PM (#5716488) Homepage Journal
    What a shocker this is... An article on Slashdot about Starship Sizes... why would that be Slashdotted?

    I mean, it's not like it is the nerd version of a pissing contest... oh wait, it is.

    Nerd1: The Enterprise-E could SO waste a Star Destroyer!
    Nerd2: Nuh-uh! Star Destroyers are so huge, you can't even see the windows most of the time. You can ALWAYS see the windows in the puny little federation starships.
    Nerd1: Look, I don't care how big it is... One quantam torpedo from the Enterprise-E will make it a giant space junkyard.
    Nerd2: You're such a dork!
    Nerd1: No, you're the dork!
    [begin pathetic, uncoordinated nerd brawl]

  • by edremy ( 36408 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:19PM (#5716491) Journal
    Can't see the site, but the image linked clearly isn't going to be covering any GSVs. Come on, they're only 80x30x10 kilometers or so.

    And of course, they aren't even close to the true masters, the puppeteers and their home worlds.

  • What about Dr.Who/ (Score:3, Interesting)

    by watzinaneihm ( 627119 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:19PM (#5716494) Journal
    How would they draw TARDIS from Dr.WHO series? It was supposed to be shaped like a london police box on the outside (kind of like a phone booth) but was supposed to contain virtually unlimited space on the inside.
  • by Peterus7 ( 607982 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:21PM (#5716499) Homepage Journal
    The enterprise would probably start trying to open diplomatic relations with the Death star, and make a new ally, the Babylon 5 alien cruisers would go off against the cylon forces, And the robotechs would get accidently blown up by Stanley Tweedle.
  • slashdotted (Score:3, Funny)

    by DigitalGlass ( 513918 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:25PM (#5716507)
    cannot get to it.

    I guess someone should create a model of his bandwith usage today in comparison to king kong, football field ect ect. :-)
  • Google (Score:5, Informative)

    by YearOfTheDragon ( 527417 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:28PM (#5716518) Homepage
    Site without images [216.239.51.100]
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: V'Ger (Voyager VI)
    LENGTH: Approximately 98 km.
    BUILDER/COMMENTS: Originally built by humans and launched near the end of the 20th century for peacful reconnaisance purposes, the Voyager VI probe was intercepted by an evidently technologically advanced race who augmented the probe and sent it back to Earth under a new internal conciousness, resulting in a near cataclysm.
    SOURCE: Star Trek, the Motion Picture (Film, 1982 Paramount Pictures), Drawn by Jeff Russell
    Whale Probe from Star Trek IV, 74 km long
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: Whale Probe
    LENGTH: Approximately 74 km. There are numerous conflicting sources for the length of the Whale Probe, but extrapolation from the film has led me to accept this length as being the most likely.
    BUILDER/COMMENTS: Unknown, although the device was able to communicate with humpback whales.
    SOURCE: Star Trek IV, (Film, Paramount Pictures)
    Marduk Base from Macross II, 50 km diameter
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: Marduk Mothership
    DIAMETER: Approximately 50 km. This is the stated length of the RPG version, although the movie version seems to be much larger. Further investigation is needed.
    BUILDER/COMMENTS: Marduk, the creators of the Zentraedi.
    SOURCE: Macross II, (Animated Film), Drawn by Jeff Russell
    Rama, 50km long
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: Rama
    LENGTH: 50 km long, 20 km in diameter.
    BUILDER/COMMENTS: Large habitat ship
    SOURCE: Rendezvous with Rama, Arthur C. Clark, Drawn by Jeff Russell
    Vorlon Planet Killer, approximately 45km long
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: Vorlon Planet Killer
    LENGTH: Approximately 45 km. There are numerous conflicting sources for the length of the Vorlon Planet Killer, but extrapolation from the show has led me to accept this length as being the most likely.
    BUILDER/COMMENTS: The Vorlon
    SOURCE: Babylon 5, (Television Series)
    Phobos, moon of Mars, 27km long at longest axis
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: Phobos
    DIAMETER: 27 km x 23 km x 20 km
    BUILDER/COMMENTS: Moon of Mars
    SOURCE: Discovered in 1877, August 12 by Asaph Hall; photographed by 'Mariner 9' in 1971, 'Viking 1' in 1977, and the Russian 'Phobos' probe in 1988.
    City Destroyer from ID4, 24km diameter
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: ID4 City Destroyer
    DIAMETER: 24 km across, stated in the film.
    BUILDER/COMMENTS: ID4 Aliens. Please see notes
    SOURCE: Independance Day (Film), Drawn by Jeff Russell
    Super Star Destroyer from Star Wars, 17.6km long
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: Executor/ Super Star Destroyer
    LENGTH: 17.6 km. Please see http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd.html.
    BUILDER/COMMENTS: The Empire under Darth Sidious (human). Darth Vader's command ship.
    SOURCE: Star Wars Episode V and VI, the Empire Strikes Back, and the Return of the Jedi, (Film), originally drawn by Chad Wilson
    Cloud City, 16km diameter
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: Cloud City
    LENGTH: 16 km.
    BUILDER/COMMENTS: Bespin Mining Colony
    SOURCE: Star Wars Episode V, the Empire Strikes Back (Film), Drawn by Jeff Russell
    Lexx, 10km long
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: LEXX
    LENGTH: 10 km. From original Blueprints used in the design of the ship.
    BUILDER/COMMENTS: The Empire under His Devine Shadow (human). This vessel is a wepon capable of destroying an entire Earth Size planet.
    SOURCE: LEXX (TV series)
    Babylon 5 Space Station, 8454.1m long
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: BABYLON 5/ Deep Space Station
    LENGTH: 8,454.1 m, from http://www.b5tech.com/babylonproject/babylon5stati on/babylon5station.html
    BUILDER/COMMENTS: Human. "Babylon 5 is a 8,454.1* meter (five-mile) long, 840 meter diameter, 9.1 billion ton O'Neil class space station, located at a pivotal main jump gate in the Epsilon system."
    SOURCE: Babylon 5 (TV series)
    Macross I & II capital ships
    SHIP NAME/TYPE: MACROSS Sta
    • Re:Google (Score:5, Funny)

      by TwP ( 149780 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @03:30PM (#5716991) Homepage
      SHIP NAME/TYPE: Earth (class M)
      LENGTH: Approximately 12600 km.
      BUILDER/COMMENTS: Originally built by God for humans and launched near the creation of the universe for peacful enjoyment of life and relationship. Earth was invaded by evil forces under direct control of Lucifer and has not been the same since. Recall notice has been sent to fix problems introduced by Lucifer. The exact time of the recall is unknown.
      SOURCE: Bible, (Book), Written by God, et. al.
  • Red Dwarf (Score:5, Interesting)

    by bstadil ( 7110 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:34PM (#5716539) Homepage
    Do not forget Red Dwarf.

    Based on the guy that paints the last letter in the intro Red Dwarf is around 1Km high, and 8Km long. Width is about 2X height.

    Anyone has better numbers?

    • Re:Red Dwarf (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 12, 2003 @02:02PM (#5716653)
      Well, in "Stasis leak" they take an elevator down 2567 floors...

      On the other hand the show is extremely inconsistent, StarBug for instance is clearly not much bigger than a truck but still it has huge cargo decks and mile-long ventilation shafts!

      But who cares, it's still funny as hell.
  • Comment removed (Score:3, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:36PM (#5716548)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • bit torrent (Score:3, Interesting)

    by minus_273 ( 174041 ) <aaaaaNO@SPAMSPAM.yahoo.com> on Saturday April 12, 2003 @01:46PM (#5716598) Journal
    im starting to think that bittorrent should be built into all browsers for webpages....
    • Re:bit torrent (Score:3, Insightful)

      by mr_burns ( 13129 )
      This has been brought up in the past. Problem is, BitTorrent really only has big advantages for big files. The publisher still has to tell every client who else is downloading. For something as small as a web page you may as well just serve up the page.

      However, including an mnet hash at the bottom of the article might do something for you. It's optimized for cacheing and serving up popular files. The hash is significantly small enough to be stuck on the end of an article and then no one server gets si
  • by los furtive ( 232491 ) <ChrisLamothe@NOSPam.gmail.com> on Saturday April 12, 2003 @02:07PM (#5716675) Homepage

    What about the starship in Spaceballs, the one that transformed into Mega Maid?

    "Dear God, she's gone from suck to blow!"

  • by TerryAtWork ( 598364 ) <research@aceretail.com> on Saturday April 12, 2003 @02:15PM (#5716718)
    Battlestar Galactica was the only one that got it right.

    It was an aircraft carrier in space whereas the Enterprise was a Battleship in space.

    The Federation would have been overrun by a smarter enemy.

  • by Mulletproof ( 513805 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @02:29PM (#5716772) Homepage Journal
    Magog Worldship
    Size: Approximately 1 AU
    Composition: 20 plants structually interlinked within their various orbits orbiting/powered by a small artifical star.
    Armament: Point singularity weapons (no others observed firing.
    Maximum Velocity: Um, all ahead slow ensign.
    Episodes 1-22 & 2-01

    This has to be the largest moving ship I have seen in a movie or series. I don't include Niven's ring worlds or Trek's Dyson spheres simply because they don't go anywhere. Ships go places and blow things up.
  • by willith ( 218835 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @02:52PM (#5716838) Homepage
    Let us not forget the Star Wars Technical Commentaries [theforce.net], a collection of near industry-quality analyses of Star Wars tech, put toghether by a Ph.D with a lot of time on his hands.

    There's a couple of weeks of engrossing reading there. Highlights include Warships of the Empire [theforce.net], The Endor Holocaust [theforce.net] (an interesting examination of probably ecological fallout on the sanctuary moon due to the explosion of the Death Star II), and The Injuries of Darth Vader [theforce.net].
  • Surprising (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Etriaph ( 16235 ) on Saturday April 12, 2003 @07:19PM (#5718044)
    I was amazed by the sheer total of universes he was able to combine. To find The Gunstar from The Last Starfighter on that site was really amazingly cool.

    Unfortunately, my Star Trek Technical Manual shows the Constitution Class and the Galaxy Class in different scale. On his site, the original Enteprises ship class looks about half as big as the Galaxy Class, which it's not, it's about 1/4 - 1/3. But seeing the size of the Sovereign Class as it compares way up there to the Super Star Destroyer (and it's comparison to the original unfinished Death Star) was even more cool.

    This guy should get an award from someone for his patience.

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