Sudden Death Experience 345
Charles Manson writes "I'm sure you and your readers have already heard about this evil monster, but I just stumbled upon a fantastic review of it. Cedar Point has always been an innovator, but god damn, this thing is just sick. I'm glad I only live a hundred miles away becuase I'll be practically living there this summer. My favorite quote of the article is 'If Hell has thrill rides, this brilliantly evil machine should be one of them.'" We mentioned the Cedar Point coaster earlier. The best parts of roller coaster riding are the little surreal notes, i.e. looking over the side and seeing 500 hats on the ground below.
Slow Friday? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Slow Friday? (Score:5, Interesting)
I dunno.. record breaking is nice and all, but seems to me a longer slower ride, with more loops and swoops, would be much more fun overall.
Re:Slow Friday? (Score:3, Funny)
Wow, you mean people are actually reading the article before posting replies? Dang, that's amazing.
While the coaster does seem pretty amazing, I would love to read about the technical hurdles that had to be overcome in creating it. How do you achieve that kind of acceleration? What are the safety measures (I'm sure there are a ton)? How many computers control it? Etc, etc, etc.
Re:Slow Friday? (Score:2, Funny)
Reading? We just click through and hope they have pretty pictures/video.
omfg (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Slow Friday? (Score:2, Informative)
Electromagnetism, my friend.
They have computers controlling the "blocks," or sections of track that a single train can safely travel without crashing. For example, many coasters have "block brakes" which, if a coaster fails to reach the end of the course but goes after the block brakes, and if another train has already dispatched, the incoming train would just stop at the block brakes. This point
Re:Slow Friday? (Score:3, Informative)
Unlike one of Intamin AG's older creations, Superman: The Escape [rcdb.com] at Six Flags Magic Mountain [sixflags.com] in CA (0-100mph in 7 seconds, though it's realistically only making about 88mph with a full car these days to conserve some electricity and keep the motors cool), this one does *not* use electromagnetic LSM/LIM motors to launch. This one is basically Xcelerator [rcdb.com] at Knott's Berry Farm [knottsberryfarm.com]'s (0-82mph in 2.3 seconds) big brother, both using a hydraulic [rcdb.com] launch [rcdb.com]
motor [rcdb.com].
I reme
Re:At 420 feet.... (Score:3, Funny)
I do miss Cedar Point (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I do miss Cedar Point (Score:5, Funny)
Kinda dates me, though. I used to think the Demon Drop was pretty scary. My 30-year-old heart would probably bust a valve if I tried one of these new-fangled coasters!
Re:I do miss Cedar Point (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I do miss Cedar Point (Score:5, Funny)
Then it's just fun.
Cedar Point (Score:5, Interesting)
Cedar Point seems to have fewer and fewer sane-yet-not-kiddie rides. I was there last year and the only thing I rode was the "mine ride."
Re:Cedar Point (Score:5, Interesting)
That's like saying there's fewer and fewer sane-yet-not-kiddie movies. There's no money in mild anymore. Over the top, push the envelope, burst a blood vessel and spray your fellow patrons. That's what sells. Not that I don't agree with you, I'm just stating facts. It's either an $84Mil opening for X-Men2 or $22.8Mil total box office for Being John Malkovich. Bigger, louder, faster, not necessarily better.
Kennywood in Pittsburgh is a great old-style park. Lots of older "sane" coasters, lots of rides for the kids, and pretty decently priced admission too. My kids loved it.
Re:Cedar Point (Score:2)
But if you like old style wooden coasters try the Thunderbolt whose path crosses right over the Phantom's while doing 50 mph on an old rickety wooden track.
Is the Phantom still there for anyone thats been there recently? I haven't been back there for a couple of years and I think
Kennywood (Score:5, Informative)
With coasters like the Jack Rabbit and the Racer built in the 1920s (and on the National Historic Register), you definitely get a whole time-warp feel going. My wife grew up there in the '60s and it's amazing how much is still there from when she was a kid. Can't say that much about most of the other parks I know...
BTW, Kings Dominion in Richmond has a similar ride to this one [kingsdominion.com].... But not near the height. Only 165 ft. Only problem is the damned this is broken down most of the time! Hope CP has better luck with theirs....
Re:Cedar Point (Score:2)
They took out the loops, extended the big drop slightly, and added some wide, sweeping turns and a few little hills. It's now called the Phantom's Revenge. Oh, and they got rid of the crummy Arrow trains with the over-the-shoulder horse collars and replaced them with trains that only have a lap bar. I think it's actually a much be
Re:Cedar Point (Score:2)
Re:Cedar Point (Score:2)
Speaking of shock-coasters... (Score:2)
Re:Cedar Point (Score:2)
Re:Cedar Point (Score:5, Informative)
from the post-gazette:
Under the proposed standards, front-to-back G-forces cannot exceed 5.6 for more than one second; and side-to-side G-forces cannot exceed 2.5 for more than a minute, although the figures can change, depending on the kinds of restraints.
The G-forces on Kennywood's 85 mph Phantom Revenge range from -1 to 5, said spokeswoman Mary Lou Rosemeyer. Even though this ride goes faster than the Steel Phantom [the former coaster that had a top speed of 82 mph] it's so smooth. The technology is so much more advanced.
Cedar Point spokeswoman Janice Witherow would not release G-forces for individual rides, but said all of the park's 15 coasters, including the nation's fastest and tallest coaster, the 93 mph Millennium Force, have G-forces below 5.
lots of interesting info when you google.
Re:Cedar Point (Score:2)
That would be a pretty good running car.
Re:Cedar Point (Score:5, Interesting)
The Mean Streak is a good demonstration why wooden coasters have been left behind. It set all sorts of records when it was built as the largest and fastest wooden coaster. And once upon a time, it was fun. I was there in May of the year it opened, and it was relatively smooth, and a lot of fun. I rode it a couple times that day.
The problem is that the speeds, coupled with the nature of the materials used, cause the structure of the ride to suffer. I've heard - though I am not certain - that they have like 6 full-time carpenders employed just for that ride alone, checking it every night for loose bolts and breaking wood. It is very high maintenance, and that still doesn't keep it in the shape they'd want it to be.
It's been said the ride is destroying itself due to the speeds and stresses on the material, and I don't expect it to last that long. They already have to change the rails every three years, as they degrade over time and make the ride just too rough. I've heard that riding it on that third year is pretty much a guaranteed method of getting a really bad headache. And given the fact that the ride gets rougher as the year goes on, riding in, say, October of that third year before they replace the rails is probably one of the roughest beatings you can take in a rollercoaster.
Though if you get on at the beginning of the year after a replacement, I'm sure it's still pretty damn fun.
Re:Cedar Point (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Cedar Point (Score:2)
The biggest problem with The Mean Streak, is that its built on a sandy area at the far end of the peninsula. It sits right on the edge of the point, right on the lake, and the ground is too soft. Yes folks, the Mean Streak is sinking, slowly.
Slashdotted, so here's the text (Score:5, Informative)
The Giga-Coaster Rules No More.
Hard to believe it was just three years ago... three years since Cedar Point broke through the 300-foot height barrier with Millennium Force, the world's first "giga-coaster." At that time, I was certain that many, many years would pass before the next major height barrier-400 feet-would be surpassed, if ever.
But here we are today, in 2003, with what the Point calls the world's first "strata-coaster," a 420-footer. Also happens to be the world's first coaster to hit 120 miles per hour. Which it does in four seconds.
I don't know about you, but since Top Thrill Dragster was officially announced, I've been having dreams about riding it. (That may not be something I should admit to, but there it is.) I was lucky enough to do so on May 1st, the media preview day.
I'll be the first to admit that I'm prone to hyperbole when it comes to writing about thrill rides. But you're going to have to believe me when I tell you that Cedar Point's Top Thrill Dragster is, without question, the scariest roller coaster I've ever experienced. Seriously, brothers and sisters, this big dog bites as hard as it barks.
Had a chance to ride Knott's Berry Farm's Xcelerator yet? Then you know that Intamin's hydraulically launched "Rocket" coaster is not for the squeamish. Wild as it is, though, Xcelerator is less than half the height and a good 40 miles per hour slower than TTD. This should worry some of you.
Speaking of worrisome, Cedar Point's skyline is now completely dominated by TTD's soaring yellow and red superstructure. Power Tower? Not so powerful-lookin' anymore. Even the Force seems, well, kinda small now. (If you really want to give yourself the willies, hang around till after dark and look at TTD when it's all lit up, glowing against the night sky.)
Oh, and how's this for worrisome? At more than one location in the queue, we're informed that "Occasionally, a launched train will not clear the hill. You should not be concerned; the train will slowly return to the launch position." Gulp.
Should you need a place to sit and reconsider your decision to ride, there's the set of metal bleachers that faces the launch zone. You'll be mightily entertained by watching how each passenger squirms, yelps, freezes and/or freaks just before takeoff. (Media days are especially satisfying for this kind of passive sadism; one poor woman, clearly not a coaster enthusiast, looked to be on the verge of tears.)
From this vantage point, you'll also get to appreciate how much effort was made in designing this coaster's unique trains. The "stadium seat"-equipped middle cars are not much different from those found on Millennium Force. But the first and last cars, each with just a single two-passenger row, are unique to TTD. The sleek winged nose in front and the faux racing engine, air foil and mag wheels in back make these cargo-haulers as distinctive as they come.
(A note about the trains: for the media day, they were shortened to carry just 12 passengers, not 16 as promised, nor were they loading the very last row. Nor were two trains always filled and released simultaneously, also as planned. And the sixth train was nowhere in sight. To the park's credit, they had to make up for many lost days of construction, due to winter weather, and did what it took to have TTD operating in time, even if at less than optimal capacity.)
Non-riders will also dig the delightful details of the launch. Each train moves slowly into position accompanied by the prerecorded rumbles of an idling high-horsepower engine. Occasionally, the engine "revs" a bit-vroom, vroom-a sweet little tease. Finally, the long row of metal fins that line the launch track-an integral part of TTD's fail-safe magnetic braking system-sinks. The train inches forward.
Buh-bye.
To the tune of a roaring engine and squealing tires, and a very nifty cloud of "burning rubber" smoke, the train disappears. Unnerving to watch, but nothing like what it is to r
Stupid Joke (Score:5, Funny)
So this roller coaster is exactly 4:20 feet 'high'? I wonder if that top out was intentional? Chuckle.
If you don't get the joke, than I applaud your studious nature when you were in high school/college. You probably make more money than I do now.
Re:Stupid Joke (Score:2)
Re:Stupid Joke (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Stupid Joke (Score:2)
YMMV.
Re:Stupid Joke (Score:2)
No, it's 42
Google cache (Score:2, Informative)
Go around early May to avoid lines. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Go around early May to avoid lines. (Score:2)
Evil monster (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Evil monster (Score:2)
Holiday (Score:2)
Rus
Re:Holiday (Score:2)
The park is really quite amazing, for a coaster fan.
Re:Holiday (Score:2)
Is it sad that I consider Ohio a great vacation destination?
Thanks! (Score:2)
I would pretty eagerly go on the road trip with you, if I hadn't been perma-banned from all Six Flags Attractions. Some days you are better off just staying in bed, and that day was one of them.
Today isn't faring much better.
yikes (Score:5, Interesting)
I rode Goliath after I'd ridden everything else - so I was actually a little bored with coasters toward the end of the day. Still, Goliath impressed and scared the hell out of me.
Another thing that probably helped is that there was precious little to hold onto, unlike every other coaster I've ever ridden. At least in the front car, you feel very helpless as there's really nothing to grab onto. You panic slightly during the slow climb to the top, realizing you're about to go hands-free whether you like it or not.
However, it doesn't seem like anything compared to the monstrosity in this article!
Re:yikes (Score:2)
About your 3 hour wait... I took a vacation day, on a Wednesday, and went with my girlfriend. People were still basically working or in school. The park was an absolute ghost town. We rode every single ride before 3pm (arrived at 10am).
It felt awesome walking through a mile of empty line mazes that would normally be full of people. For the entire day, virtually every ride, we walked right up to the turnstyles by the coaster and waited eith
Re:yikes (Score:2)
There is simply no way to know what is going to happen next on that coaster. You're upright, on the left side of the track, facing forward. A quick flip, a roll, a twist, and what the hell? You're still upright, but facing backwards, and on the right side o
Coaster Mania (Score:5, Informative)
If anyone has friends in Ace I highly recommend checking out Coaster Mania. The whole park belongs to you and only about 2000 others between the hours of 6:30 AM - 10:00 AM and from 10:30P PM - 1:00 AM. You have to be a member of a coaster association to get tickets, but either Acer can get one ticket for a non-card holder also.
Lame (Score:5, Insightful)
Give me more giant wooden behemoths with hills and twists and corkscrews, and a track that rattles your brain loose from your skull.
THAT's a rollercoaster. This is just theme park owners comparing wangs to attract customers.
Re:Lame (Score:2, Interesting)
However I still prefer the rattling old wooden coasters like the Dragon Coaster [ridezone.com] (built 1929) and the Wildcat [rcdb.com] (built 1996).
Re:Lame (Score:2)
On the other hand, it's fun to get pictures of yourself on a steel coaster going down a big hill. Everybody else is screaming, and you're calming chatting with the person next to you.
no no no! These are great! (Score:5, Insightful)
Its great because while those schmucks are online for the new "uber coaster" the line for the slightly-less ubercoaster has 4 people on it, and you can ride it over and over and over again!
Bigger,faster,better coasters are great because that lets me ride all the other ones without the crazy lines.
Skip the lines (Score:3, Informative)
I felt guilty a few times a
Re:Skip the lines (Score:2)
Still, if I ever go to Uni Orlando I'll stay on site. No Lines is worth $100 (to me).
Re:Lame (Score:2)
Personally, I view this as a proof-of-concept. Superman vs. Mr. Freeze. Superman is a giant shoot-you-out-fast, long hangtime. Literally, it goes up, it goes down. Big whoop. Compare it to Mr. Freeze, which includes that and a whole lot more. Or to Poltergeist (Fiesta Texas), which takes th
Re:Lame (Score:2)
Re:Lame (Score:2)
Almost like a roller coaster (Score:5, Funny)
Launch into sky... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Launch into sky... (Score:2)
Re:Launch into sky... (Score:3, Funny)
(We also built hedge mazes in front of the bathrooms, b
Re:Launch into sky... (Score:2)
"That's one hell of a hole you got there, Sonny."
"Yeah."
(akward silence)
"Rollercoaster."
(nods)
Re:Launch into sky... (Score:2)
Another fun thing to do in that game is build one of those "launch" rides that launch a circular platform of people up a shaft, but set the speed to something ridiculously high, and watch the cart fly off and crash into your park.
Muahahhahaa!
While reading that review (Score:5, Funny)
Re:While reading that review (Score:5, Funny)
the irony (Score:5, Interesting)
A more on topic note...that coaster looks freaking awesome. However, I still give the Pheonix at Knoebel's grove in PA my vote for scariest coaster ever. Not because it is fast, not because of crazy g-forces, but because the riders know that it is a REALLY old coaster and the whole thing shimmies around like there's no tomorrow. People who have ridden it know what I'm talking about...it just feels unsafe...when you're strapped in to these new coasters, you know that they've passed insane safety tests before they allow humans to ride...but the pheonix...I pray through the whole ride that the car doesn't derail or that the whole structure doesn't collapse. Just looking at it makes me think of horrific newspaper headlines with pictures of the carnage after the oldest wooden coaster in the US collapsed...
Steel Coaster Records... (Score:5, Informative)
#1 Largest Drop: 400ft (#2 is 306 by Steel Dragon at Nagashima Spaland in Japan)
#1 Height: 420ft (#2 Steel Dragon again)
#1 Fastest: 120mph (#2 Dodonpa at Fujikyu Highlands in Japan)
#1 Angle of Descent: 90o. (In a 5-way tie!)
Of course, Superman at 6 Flags Magic Mountain at 415ft isn't too shabby in the wood coaster category either considering it does 100mph and the same 90o drop.
'Dragster, however, doesn't make the list of the longest by a longshot.
Both Cedar Point's "other" Roller Coaster (Millenium Force) and Japan's Steel Dragon rank top three on this list AND every other list of speed, height, drop records.
Side by side, I'd have to say that Steel Dragon (in Steel) and Superman (in wood) still might be the most impressive of the lot.
Re:Steel Coaster Records... (Score:2, Insightful)
Superman The Escape (Six Flags Magic Mountain) is tied with Tower of Terror (Dreamworld, Australia) for the #2 drop at 328' 1", and the Steel Dragon 2000 is 4th, at (exactly) 306' 9".
Similarly, Superman the Escape is #2 at 415' tall and Tower of Terror is 377' 4" tall, putting Steel Dragon 2000 in 4th again, with 318' 3"
Dodonpa (Japan) is #2 at 106.9 mph, Superman The Escape and Tower of Terror are tied at 100 mph, and the Steel Dragon 2000 return
Cedar Point (Score:5, Interesting)
Hands down, Cedar Point is the greatest coaster park in the world. I've been to various others (6 Flags, Canada Wonderland, King's Island...), but they just don't compare. Cedar Point has always had the biggest and the best. They've had the tallest coaster in the world on several occaisions, and still hold the record for most coasters in a park.
I was there the day the Magnum XL200 opened (before they activated the breaks at the top of the first hill to slow it down for safety). I was there two years later for the opening day of Mean Streak. I was there for... Well, you get the point: I'm a Cedar Point nut. (An old one, too. I've ridden a lot of rides that aren't even there anymore... Anyone else remember the potato-sack slide?)
Granted, the park has changed a lot over the years. Back in the day, ther were beer carts everywhere, and very few children outside of "kiddy-land." There were more open spaces and quiet areas. I remember watching the wild turkey roaming around Frontier Land. There was a sense of history (Cedar Point is a -very- old park) and decor.
Now, it's $3 just to get a soda from a machine, there are no open spaces (and no more turkeys), and they've added this garish Snoopy dome thing. The taste and decor are gone, as are the beer carts.. It's a commercialized "family" park. It's loud and flashy, and the crowds are sometimes almost unbearable.
Now, don't go modding me troll just yet
Unless one of those tornados decides to pop down.
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Re:Cedar Point (Score:3, Informative)
Of course... about 3/4ths the way down the Midway, right across from the smorgasborg restaurant they had (still do?), and near the old log ride. That was a lot of fun when I was a kid, I was on the slide a few times every year.
The one ride I will be most disappointed to see go is the Wave Swinger. It's been a tradition to ride it at least once every time I've been to the park, and when I'm forced to stop, I will be quite disappointed.
I do wonder how long unt
Re:Cedar Point (Score:2)
Those are gone but the Disaster Transport remained. Go figure.
I used to go there every summer, but since I moved to Washington it's not quite as convenient. I think the last time I was there the ride that year was the Raptor, which is amazing.
Just t
Re:Cedar Point (Score:2)
I never did get to go on the spinning ride you mention, though I did hear about it.
The Disaster Transport... I never did understand that one. After all, all they did was take Avalanche Run and build a building around it, re-theming it. And theming is NOT something Cedar Point does well - especially sinc
Re:Cedar Point (Score:2)
Mirror (Score:5, Informative)
I'm probably going to regret this, but...
I got there right when the story posted and have Mirrored it [digitalsorceress.com]
Moore's Law (Score:2, Interesting)
Warning (Score:5, Funny)
This is the greatest page ever made in the history of internet!!!!!!! I am a ride fanatic, mean you know what I mean "PSYCHO!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I am 18, i have been loving rides since i was nine. Every ride!!!!!!!!!!! I can't believe I found this page!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much, is there any Club i can join?????? I am going crazy!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah!!!!!!!!
You've been warned.
Re:Warning (Score:2)
average /. reader is safe (Score:5, Funny)
May not accommodate Guests of Exceptional Size.
Whew! I guess I won't be going on this beastie!
I'll just continue to enjoy the Magnum XL-200, even though now people will think that a 200 foot tall coaster is 'wimpy'...
!Sig
Even better idea. (Score:2)
...and the best part is never having to wait in line for an hour.
OK, the real web sites for this thing (Score:5, Informative)
As inspired by the headline (Score:5, Funny)
*ponders trip to ohio* (Score:2, Interesting)
Sometimes I wonder about the people on this site. They seem to have no de
Re:*ponders trip to ohio* (Score:2)
That said, t
Scarier coaster in Vancouver (Score:2)
It isn't scary because it is fast, or upside down or any of that fancy stuff.
It is scary because it is old and made of wood, and every moment you get the feeling that the wood is going to snap and you will die.
The new fancy coasters are so strong with reinforced whatchamacallits and you know deep down that they are safe.
Not this one. I swear that if you don't hold on you'd go flying out after the first hump.
--jeff++
Re:Scarier coaster in Vancouver (Score:2)
Some Pictures of it (Score:2)
Love the rides, hate the wait (Score:3, Interesting)
I try to schedule an annual trip to Valleyfair here in MN on some oddball Tuesday when it looks like its going to rain, it usually cuts the wait by about half, but some rides *still* have an annoying wait.
Some suggestions for amusement park execs:
1) Have limited-admission days where park admission is capped. Charge more to get in to make up the difference.
2) Upcharge (2x? 3x?) admission to allow some kind of limited queue-jumping system (maybe a less restrictive fastpass deal where you could get multiple fastpasses for different rides). Set the fee high enough where not everyone does it.
3) Maybe just make more fun rides and fewer megabucks rides. Nobody buys your overpriced food or stuff when they're stuck in a queue. I have a great time on the scary-maintenance rides at the State Fair, and I almost never wait for them, and those rides are usually small enough that they can be folded up and transported on a semi trailer or two.
Re:Love the rides, hate the wait (Score:2)
LaRonde in Montreal does this. You buy you admission, and then you can buy "skip the line" tickets for extra (assuming you can find the hidden office where they sell them...)
Would be a great system if they didn't limit the value of these tickets by only letting you use the
Re:Love the rides, hate the wait (Score:5, Insightful)
I have been on this (Score:5, Informative)
Now getting in the ride is another painful procedure, especially for males. You see, they have a seatbelt with a handle...and a bar that goes over the lap...with a extension near the crotch that hurts...like a mofo. The ride "attendants" pull on the seatbelt handle until you can't feel anymore. Then they put the lap bar until you cry. Imagine, if you have to relieve yourself after standing in the line for 4+ hours.
Once the train is released onto the track...the christmas tree lights up & you hear the sound effects...with a voice if you have your hands up. Don't be that guy. Do not put your hands up...you just screw everyone else over. The brake pads go down...3 seconds later the train is shot. I blacked out...all I remember is crossing the top & going down the other side. Wow...what a ride.
Not worth a 6.5 hour wait. Hopefully it will be shorter later in the summer. The better part of the day happened afterwards...my party rode Raptor, Magnum, Wicked Twister all in an hour.
I also dropped $12 for the priceless picture.
http://www.shackspace.com/~vital3d@shac
killer magnet (Score:2, Funny)
Wireless LANs? (Score:2)
sudden death experience.... (Score:2)
Four Hundred Twenty Feet Tall (Score:2)
And you get really high.
Does anyone else think this wasn't a coincidence?
Re:15seconds for 60 $? (Score:5, Funny)
Jason
ProfQuotes [profquotes.com]
Re:BE CAREFUL! (Score:3, Funny)
You should be in prison with the other child abusers.
Re:Not capitalized (Score:2)
Re:Not capitalized (Score:2)
Yes.... 500 of them!
Re:BE CAREFUL! (Score:2)
Re:can't wait... (Score:2)
No doubt being a member of Alcoholics Anonymous Anonymous helps to calm some of the animal terror these rides must create.
Re:can't wait... (Score:2)
Q*Bert, Spy Hunter, HERCULES (the biggest pinball game in the world which used a cue ball insta\ead of a pinball!)
Re:can't wait... (Score:2)
It's like a museum, but every exhibit costs you a quarter
Re:Mr Show (Score:2)
"...Including TWO FULL MINUTES UNDERWATER!!!"
I loved that segment. The sad clown in the parking lot definitely added to it.