Airborne Video With an R/C helicopter 162
PerryResearch writes "MacGyver would be jealous - here are the plans for a complete 2.4 ghz wireless video transmission system, mounted on a Mikado Logo 20 R/C helicopter, with realtime video overlay showing wireless signal strength, GPS coordinates, and support for videoglasses. Make sure you check out some of their in-flight videos."
Wow. Just what I've always wanted. (Score:3, Funny)
hah! (Score:5, Funny)
MacGyver would be jealous
Only if they built it from some branches, a trashcan that was lying around somewhere and an old carburator from a dead moped.Re:hah! (Score:5, Funny)
MacGyver Cookie Recipe
Well, folks, here it is. I didn't have time to cook this stuff myself for you the way Paul Newman does, so I just wrote up this cookbook to give you all the recipes, tried and true just like I make'em in my own kitchen at home.
CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES:
Frequent flier coupons
One medium paperclip (not plastic coated)
One movie ticket stub
Now remember that chocolate-chip cookies are supposed to be a nice relaxing kind of food, so the first thing you'll want to do to make them is to go somewhere where you can kick back and relax. Ecuador is good, so use your frequent-flier coupons to pick up a round-trip ticket there. The stewardess will hand you a couple of bags of peanuts, but don't eat them, since we're going to need those for the cookies.
You'll find yourself sitting next to an attractive woman who teaches archaeology at Cornell; she'll explain that she's going to Ecuador to try to find her father--a biochemist by trade, but he dabbles in archaeology as a hobby--who went down there to find the lost pyramid of Sesquichachloride, well known in archaeological circles as the fabled storehouse of the god Valhequesal who, according to myth, rode down from the skies on a pillar of fire bringing with him a wealth of powerful but somewhat failure-prone magical devices that, according to the priests of the day, were pretty darn all-around nifty.
Now her father, after examining several stone tablets depicting the god Valhequesal, discovered that he is always shown wearing a curious bracelet on his left wrist that looks surprisingly like a digital watch, leading him to the conclusion that Valhequesal did actually exist, but he was really an advanced space traveller with comparatively poor taste in accessories, and that the lost pyramid of Sesquichachloride must contain his spacecraft and untold other devices from his world. About this time, the stewardess will bring by the main meal and you'll want to be sure to save the little packets of salt and butter that come with your meal--the woman next to you will be too worried about her father to eat and so you'll want to take her packet of butter and go ahead and keep her crackers too.
When you get off the plane in Ecuador, just go out to the front of the airport and try to locate a cab. There won't be any, for some reason, so you'll go inside to inquire about where transportation might be found and some guy will stumble against you and when you look at him, you'll notice that he's been stabbed in the left side and is bleeding pretty profusely. With a weakly shaking hand, he'll thrust the key to a safety deposit box into your hand, gasp something about "be careful of the poison ivy" and expire messily on the floor of the terminal. You'll decide that maybe waiting for a cab is the better part of valor and head back outside--on the way, though, be sure to stop at the concession stand and ask for a half-pound of chocolate chips. The clerk will measure the appropriate amount and put it in a bag for you. Be sure your movie ticket stub is visible in the handful of change you pull from your pocket to pay her. She'll reach down under the counter and then surreptitiously drop a roll of microfilm into your bag along with the chocolate chips, then hand you the bag, saying, "On the house."
At this point, speed is of the essence--get back outside the concourse before a swarthy man with a mustache strides up to the snack shop holding a movie ticket stub. Moments later he and the clerk will run out the door looking for you, just as the woman who sat next to you on the plane drives up in her rental car and offers you a lift. Cheerfully accept, and hop in before the man with the mustache disconnects the safety on his gun. If all goes well, you'll both be out of the parking lot and on your way before he has time to squeeze off more than one shot--and he'll miss on the first one anyway and the woman driving the car will think it was just another vehicle b
Re:hah! (Score:1)
Should be great for filming sporting events (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Should be great for filming sporting events (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Should be great for filming sporting events (Score:5, Informative)
* they are too big to fit between terrain features, to come close to the riders, and to film something else than their backs from above
* they are too expensive - even in road racing only the biggest races can afford them.
But given a cheap RC that can fit between trees and come really close to the racers to make a side shot, follow the racers on hard technical uphills and downhills, and XC racing could look, in TV, way more interesting than it is now.
Re:Should be great for filming sporting events (Score:5, Interesting)
Err... See, the thing about model helicopters is that they're a complete pig to fly. I think the mean-time-before-superglue for learner pilots is about 30 seconds of flight time. It's inherent in the technology: they're very mechanically complex and dynamically unstable.
So having said all that, do you think it would be a good idea to have a whirling mass of blades teetering close to anything you think as valuable? Such as cyclist's heads, for example?
Re:Should be great for filming sporting events (Score:2)
However, for futher out shots, RC helicopters are certainly a cheaper alternative to a full-size helicopter. You can have a perfectly good camera these days in a light enough package for a small RC copter... Heck, I'm sure you could mount several on the thing, one dedicated to the pilot, and another on a swivel that
Someone somewhere has solved the problem... (Score:1)
One problem that does crop up is that the helicopter has to shoot upwind lest its exhaust screws up the shot.
Re:Should be great for filming sporting events (Score:1, Informative)
Modern day control systems.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Modern day control systems.... (Score:1)
It's impossible to fly without computer controls, and you can get a little camera for it. They also have a larger, commercial version.
-DF
Re:Modern day control systems.... (Score:2)
Great idea! That covers the control aspect admirably! I shall be sure and tell the great folks on RISKS Digest [sri.com] that all their fears and previous examples of control law systems going wrong are of no import.
OK, that was harsh. FBW works OK in the real world, I guess, after 30-odd years of development. I wonder about tuning it for a model Helo but never mind that
Rather more seriously, how do you propose to tackle the mechanical reliability issues? Model RC engines aren't up in the RB211-runs-for-years rel
Re:Modern day control systems.... (Score:2)
The liability you would assume in taking an RC hele above a crowd (moving or not) is immense. Perhaps a small blimp-like device would work, but in no way would a blade be accepted any closer than existing airc
Re:Modern day control systems.... (Score:2)
Having said that, you might be interested to know the Discovery Channel featured a group who built an R/C helicopter that not only flies itself, but also lands itself onto a target through on-board optics. Granted the computer was still ground-based, but if there's a real use for
Re:Should be great for filming sporting events (Score:3, Interesting)
It would have minimal labour costs, and be cheap enough in comparison to hiring a chopper for an hour or two that you could afford to have a few flying even if you lost on now and again...
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Cheaper by how much? (Score:1)
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Application in Sporting Events or Biohazzard? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Application in Sporting Events or Biohazzard? (Score:4, Funny)
Are you suggesting we should come up with a device that could allow us to fire a cruise missile on a target that survived a friggin' nuclear accident??? Talk about overkill!
...Unless your target is Prof. Xavier's School For The Gifted.
Re:Application in Sporting Events or Biohazzard? (Score:3, Interesting)
Heh.
Could this be a possbile 3G killer app? (Score:3, Interesting)
Then you can dial in to the helicopter and control it with another phone in your hand while seeing the video streamed live to your device. This could, of course, already work with GPRS or HSCSD, but with 3G its much more l33t.
And you do not want to receive a call from your mom, which would interrupt your current transmission
Re:Could this be a possbile 3G killer app? (Score:1)
Support Vehicles (Score:1)
Isn't that why the helicopter has GPS?
Nice going, guys. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Nice going, guys. (Score:1)
Old news or not, it'll get slashdotted. (Score:5, Informative)
This might give me the final push in ordering a R/C heli. Any advice on starter models and how steep the learning curve is?
*goes back to playing the R/C heli mission in GTA Vice City*
Re:Old news or not, it'll get slashdotted. (Score:5, Informative)
Two Part Question: 1) Starter Models don't exist -- You can buy a small model built for a
2) The Learning Curve is very steep. If you buy an R/C Heli, count on spending another $200 or $300 simulator. The simulator will allow you to connect your radio transmitter to your computer with a cable that allows you to use your own radio to control the on-screen heli.
More Info: For every minute I've ever flown on an RC Heli, I've spent at least 5 fixing/repairing it on the ground. And for every hour flown, I've spent probably 10 on the simulator... Before I got into the hobby, I was told that flying one of these beasts was like "balancing a steel ball bearing on a convex glass lense" which is pretty damn hard.
Re:Old news or not, it'll get slashdotted. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Old news or not, it'll get slashdotted. (Score:2)
While I can't say I've ever flown a real helicopter, I do have a lot of in game experience flying the various choppers in the Eve of Destruction mod for Bf1942. I can't tell you how impossible it is for me to fly the helicopter from a third person view. Yet when I get into first person view, it suddenly becomes a lot simpler, because you have a much more accurate feel for the movement. You
Re:Old news or not, it'll get slashdotted. (Score:2)
BWAHAHAhahaahhahahaah!!! Only on Slashdot!!
Re:Old news or not, it'll get slashdotted. (Score:2)
Only one, and God willing, he is going to teach me some day (a buddy's father has a Robinson R-22; I've only been up in it once, but man, what a rush. A heli is the first thing I'm buying when I'm filthy stinking rich
Re:Old news or not, it'll get slashdotted. (Score:2)
I think this might jive with full-size helicopters. I think they also spend several times the hours with the mechanic than the pilot.
I don't personally have RC stuff, but I'm terribly tempted to try it [dc-rc.org] (my brother-in-law flies gliders). I've heard the same comments on the helicopters, but watching telented people fly them really gets the geeky juices flowing...
Re:Old news or not, it'll get slashdotted. (Score:3, Interesting)
The Piccolo is indoors only or else on a day with zero breeze.
The main posters comments are spot on - I used to fly
The best advice is don't buy one unless you are serious about learning to fly one - its expensive and you will bend it on numerous occasions, although everyth
Re:Old news or not, it'll get slashdotted. (Score:2)
my favorite comment is having an rc fly along with the riders on a bike race. go watch a heli fly sometime or get some buddy box time. might reconsider your answer! this isn't possible!
Why is it so friking hard to fly these things (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Old news or not, it'll get slashdotted. (Score:2)
The two main things you need to learn are:
Both require lots of help for the beginner. The latter's learning curve is immensely shorter with the use of a simulator. Probably the best starter package is the Hoverfly [snelflight.co.uk]. Normally beginners should stay away from small electric choppers because they traditionally are light, squi
Learning curve (Score:2)
Re:Old news or not, it'll get slashdotted. (Score:2)
http://www.litemachines.com [litemachines.com]
I have the Model 116. I would recommend the Model 117 though, as it has a much better gyro for tail stablization. It has flexible plastic rotor blades that can take a lot of abuse (ran into a wire fence once.. no damage) Here is a site that sells them in Canada (I buy all my stuff from them.. t
If only . . . (Score:1, Funny)
If only these toys could be made big enough to put people inside. The experience of actually being up in the sky, as well as having the view, would be amazing.
Re:If only . . . (Score:2, Funny)
Re:If only . . . (Score:1)
At least I hope that was an attempt at humor.
Another application (Score:5, Insightful)
This could also be adapted for something like rogaining - every team carries some form of tag. Helicopter flies around competition area giving real-time tracking of competitors and also some cool video.
Re:Another application (Score:3, Funny)
Using it to look at the tops of guys heads to see who is developing a bald spot?!?
Re:Another application (Score:1)
One day... (Score:2, Funny)
It's pretty impressive that the server's not crashed yet (even though it's not on the actual helicopter), seeing as it's offering avi's on slashdot.
Obligatory slashdottism... (Score:1, Insightful)
Seriously, though - multiple helicopters with onboard computers obeying simple rules could quite feasably do useful things like intelligently scouring disaster sites for victims, or evaluating the extent of a fire.
Of course, they could also all coalesce and become Skynet!
Whatever happened to ... (Score:3, Interesting)
Video eyeglasses?
Seeing this guy wearing his clunky "Video I-glasses" made me wonder why these never caught on.* Three or four years ago I tried on a pair of television eyeglasses, and was sure that within a few years, the technology would improve to the point where these things would become practical, ubiquitous and cheap replacements for computer monitors. So why the total lack of demand? * And no, I don't mean as fashion accessories. Smartass.Re:Whatever happened to ... (Score:3, Interesting)
I actually tried to buy some for use with my laptop while commuting, but all the Sony outlets are franchises and couldn't afford to lay out the cash to Sony to buy (very expensive) unproven stock. So I couldn't find anywhere to actually try them. So I never got a pair.
In other words, they were successfully manufactured, but badly marketted, and now Sony and others don't seem to think there is a market. Arse.
A
Re:Whatever happened to ... (Score:2)
I own a pair of the newer i-glasses [i-glassesstore.com], and it's easy to tell why no-one uses them - as the focal distance is set quite far away, unless you wear glasses underneath, it's a blurry mess. Even if you do, the optics feel cheap, there's still some blurring, and you can never see all of the screen at once (maybe my eyes are more inset from my forehead than others).
They also only go up to 800x600, with a view area eq
Re:Whatever happened to ... (Score:2)
2 reasons:
1. As said below, the current versions really aren't that great.
2. We like to be able to look away from the screen. If you're working on editing a document, or watching tv at the same time, or have 2 monitors... there are hundreds of situations I can sit here and list where you want to be able to look away from the screen instantly. Video glasses just don't allow us the same flexibility as a monitor does right now. The only application I would use them for now i
The first and only X10 costumer! (Score:2, Funny)
Wow, someone bought an X10 camera! I think I'd prolly refuse to buy an X10 camera out of principle or at least sue X10 afterwards for failure of said cameras to reveal scantly clad women all over the place!
Great! Now I just need. . . (Score:1)
OR just get it all in one (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.rctoys.com/draganflyer3.php
Re:OR just get it all in one (Score:2)
Re:OR just get it all in one (Score:2)
All flying machines are constructed to be light weight, but the new LOGO 24 will weigh almost four pounds all up and if you use lithium-polymer cells it will weigh a little over three pounds and should fly for 25-35 minutes. My
Beware: This is a hoax ! (Score:2, Funny)
"All videos are made at the field back of my house in Bielefeld, Germany."
This is clearly a hoax. Everybody knows that Bielefeld does not exist [camp.ccc.de]. But THEY want to make us believe that it does exist.
Obviously they choose to use advanced tactics to make us believe it exists. But THEY can't fool me
other examples (Score:2, Interesting)
[kitesplus.com], here [k8xg.com]
[k8xg.com], and here [zagicam.com]
[zagicam.com].
On the news today... (Score:1)
A Japanese farmer was cropdusting his rice paddy with an R/C chopper and it cut his leg off when it crashed in to him.
Moral of the story? Becareful, Slashdotters!
A cheap way... (Score:1)
x10 2.4G very directional (Score:2, Informative)
It was impossible to align the PC antenna to receive a clean signal from more than a single camera. The signal degrades quickly with distance.
The video picture reminded me of UHF TV before cable (rabbit ears). Maybe I should have tried a coat hanger or aluminum foil on the antennae?
This is not that new or innovative (Score:2)
It is only logical that as the technology gets better, more features will be backed into smaller spaces making this sort of "event" (new tech in old applications) even more commonplace.
That said, I'd rather put the camera on a model P-51 Mustang and get some really high speed shots doing insane stunts that would never be h
Re:This is not that new or innovative (Score:1)
Been done. (Score:3, Interesting)
At the 2003 Rochester Hamfest, some folks were demonstrating a lower-tech, longer-range, lower-cost concept. They were using the 220MHz band to control a blimp (which has a lower energy cost than a chopper, and is also less noisy), and the 440MHz band to send back NTSC video. This setup has been used in previous years, also.
Of course, it required a license, but the license is easy to get these days, and every geek should have one, because it also makes higher-powered 802.11 legal.
Re:Been done. (Score:2)
finialy,.... (Score:2)
Definitely a biohazard (Score:3, Interesting)
On a related note, here's a story from yesterday's Mainichi Daily News, "Farmer's radio-controlled chopper cuts off his leg"
http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/archive/200307/3
UAV (Score:2, Interesting)
How about a Sony Clie on an RC Airplane? (Score:3, Interesting)
my own rig (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.rchelicam.com [rchelicam.com]
Most pics on the site are from the old demo
http://www.rchelicam.com/gasser/ [rchelicam.com]
What do ya think?
--Geoff
"Aces Are Wild"
http://www.rchelicam.com [rchelicam.com]
Re:my own rig (Score:2)
I think i could fly an RC copter around all day if i had the money to do it. i don't think that would ever get old.
why haven't you updated the pages in a while - i'm SURE local news places would pay good money to have you be around when news events are happening, or the occaisional car crash or bank robbery or whatever. these may not happen where you are but you could pay for a hobby like this very easily via the news media.
anyway keep it up - i wanna see that page updated soon. great stuff there
Re:my own rig (Score:2)
Geek factor - Win, Practical factor - Lose... (Score:1, Insightful)
Yes, flying model helicopters are dangerous to J.Q. Public when some nump loses control, yells "Oh Shit!", and the thing comes careening down and gives a bystander a close shave.
At least the balloon camera combo can be deployed with decent motor-mount cameras, more electronics and you would
All Right! (Score:1)
Aerial Robotics (Score:3, Interesting)
BFD. I had a friend who did the same 4 years ago (Score:1)
How about this then, you won't need to pilot this (Score:3, Informative)
MP3 Player (Score:1)
NASCAR uses RC Choppers with Video (Score:1)
robot chppers (Score:2, Interesting)
Carnegie Mellon's autonomous helicopter model. AFAIC, flew with on-board laser mapping system. Of course, development time and budget are of another league, compared to my fellow countryman Risto here. Restecp for such achievements.
Funny that our local news outlets, including
This may sound silly, but... (Score:2)
RC helis are not toys!!! (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Hum... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Hum... (Score:4, Insightful)
Trrsts don't tend to need that sort of accuracy.
A van packed with explosives parked against a building usually does the trick.
Re:Hum... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Hum... (Score:1)
Negotiating or placating unreasonable or fanatical people just doesn't work. That's why cops carry guns. Not making enemies is a good start, but it is foolishness for a goverment (or an individual) to trust the good graces of a fanatic with people's lives.
* For those that didn't catch the historical reference, in 1938 (?) the current prime minister of England,
Re:Hum... (Score:2)
flags,
vaccines,
gas & oil,
hanging chads..
Re:Hum... (Score:2)
That's insulting and stupid: saying that countries should not make enemies might be naive, but it certainly does not make someone a Nazi! The best answer I guess is, try to refrain from making enemies whilst acting in a way you believe is honourable. You probably think the US is fulfilling these obligations. I'd disagree, and suggest that the warmongers in th
Re:Hum... (Score:2)
Mod parent up. I've been kicking this idea around in my head for a while. No, he's not talking about putting a Mortar ON an RC Copter--he means using it for forward observation. And replace "terrorists" with "the 82nd Airbourne" if it offends your sensibilites.
It doesn't have to be limited to Artillery spotting either. Think how useful it would be in an urban warfare setting for seeing around (in?) buildings, etc. You could build a mini-Predator by strapping a grenade to it, too.
Re:The end is finally here... (Score:2)
Re:The end is finally here... (Score:2)
R/C everything so long ago I have to take my shoes off to count...
Been there done that...years and years ago. R/C helo sending video to a Powerbook. R/C cars sending video to a monitor on the side of the track. How boring today.
Means little old me has the lead on so many...how can that be? Oh, wait...this is the new
Re:Cool... (Score:1)
Re:Cool... (Score:2)