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Cindy Smart Knows Better Than To Say Naughty Words 499

D'Sphitz writes "Cindy Smart, the first doll in the world to be able to read, tell the time and do sums. Cindy Smart 'sees' via a camera located under a bee on her overalls and has a computer 'brain' that can recognise more than 600 words and objects, although she refuses to recite certain 4-letter words. 'We don't say those kind of words,' she shrills, refusing to even spell obscenities. 'That's a bad word.'" Sounds like a good candidate for a personality transplant.
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Cindy Smart Knows Better Than To Say Naughty Words

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  • by dtfinch ( 661405 ) * on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:31AM (#6776188) Journal
    It won't be long until some kid has her read "eye yam sofa king we todd did."
  • by PetWolverine ( 638111 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:33AM (#6776194) Journal
    ...but can she run Linux?
  • spelling? (Score:3, Funny)

    by Dorothy 86 ( 677356 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:33AM (#6776197) Homepage
    okay, now cindy, spell icup
  • by prichardson ( 603676 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:35AM (#6776202) Journal
    There are over 500,000 words in the english language. she recognizes slightly over .1% of them. I give her about 5 minutes reading any book with a decent vocabulary before she craps out. I know this is a toy, but memory isn't that expensive these days.
    • by dtfinch ( 661405 ) * on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:39AM (#6776224) Journal
      That may just mean that she can give spelling and definitions for 600 words.

      You can give most speech synthesizers a random string of letters and they will sound it out.
    • by simon_aus ( 649753 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:57AM (#6776290)
      So I'm guessing that this is a blonde Cindy. Not the enhanced brunette model to be released sometime Q2 2004.
    • by Bugmaster ( 227959 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @05:11AM (#6776736) Homepage
      Actually, that's a good point. What I'd like to see is a doll like this, but with learning capability. In the simple case, you'd just give it USB and download word lists into it. In the complex case, you'd give it WiFi, and hook it up to google, so that it can learn in real-time.

      Then, all you have to do until it develops intelligence and comes after you with plasma weapons...

      • What I'd like to see is a doll like this, but with learning capability. In the simple case, you'd just give it USB and download word lists into it. In the complex case, you'd give it WiFi, and hook it up to google, so that it can learn in real-time.

        Interested in making this happen? My idea is to add this to an Aibo (Sony's robotic Dog.) Sony has their Aibo SDK (which is moderately difficult to learn), but there's an alternative called Tekkotsu (means "iron bones" in Japanese). Tekkotsu builds on the ba
      • by sketerpot ( 454020 ) <sketerpot&gmail,com> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @11:10AM (#6777534)
        I once wrote a program that was supposed to find super nintendo roms from Google. It never developed intelligence, it just found one zip file for something completely unrelated and WENT OFF CHASING AD BANNERS FOR THE REST OF ITS GODDAMN DAYS, THE FUCKING IDIOTIC THING!

        We don't say those kind of words. That's a bad word.

    • by hazem ( 472289 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @05:46AM (#6776791) Journal
      You really don't need so many words to communicate effectively.

      Doing a rudimentary word count of this current page of comments gave about 950 unique words, including mis-spellings, names, and e-mail addresses.

      When I was studying Arabic, a 500 word vocabulary was a good benchmark to reach. 1000 words meant, barring grammar problems, that you could speak and read pretty proficiently.

      I'm sure they're expecting kids will be putting kid-level pages up in front of the doll. With a controlled vocabulary, that might only include a vocabulary of a few hundred words.
      • Ziff Rank/Frequency (Score:3, Informative)

        by Halo- ( 175936 )
        I spent some time in college studying Natural Language Processing. Amazing stuff. One of the coolest things about _all_ languages is that the frequencies of "tokens" (generally words) is mathematically predictable. If I remember correctly, the break down follows Zipf's Law, and is something like 1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 etc...

        Obviously the most common words occur much more often, but as the corpus (i.e. set of words you know) grows, you get rapidly dimishing returns. 500 words is a pretty good set of words if
  • Ken says... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Black Parrot ( 19622 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:35AM (#6776203)


    Ken says he'd rather have a beowulf cluster of Barbies.

    • Bad Idea (Score:5, Funny)

      by StefanJ ( 88986 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:59AM (#6776303) Homepage Journal
      Yes, the economics are tempting.

      Yes, it works at first.

      But then the thing hits that pesky hyper-hypercube configuration, goes second-order sapient, and starts looking to increase its "cultural and technological distinctiveness."

      The more pathetic sort of extropian might see getting uploaded into such a gestalt as a Big Win, but really, what's the worth of an ersatz immortality with an IQ of 97 (remember that fourth-order-cube limit) and a voice interface that randomly throws in phrases like "math class is harrrrrd!?

      Play it safe. Stick with FurbyNets with 254 or fewer nodes, and keep some spray paint on hand to blank out those IR transcievers, just in case.

      Stefan It's out! [sjgames.com] Jones.

    • by Greyfox ( 87712 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @03:13AM (#6776518) Homepage Journal
      Judging from the way Ken dresses, I'd say he'd want a beowulf cluster of Kens. Go ahead. Think about it. I'll wait...
  • by Powercntrl ( 458442 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:37AM (#6776213) Homepage
    The Sim Pal doll in The 6th Day [imdb.com] was named Cindy. I wonder if this is more than just a coincidence...
  • Obscoene? (Score:5, Funny)

    by niko9 ( 315647 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:38AM (#6776221)
    'We don't say those kind of words,' she shrills, refusing to even spell obscenities

    I guess she won't be saying McBride or SCO anytime soon either. ;)
  • dirty math (Score:5, Funny)

    by kfort ( 1132 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:39AM (#6776222)
    it says she can do math, but will she recognize 8 / 0?

    "We don't do that math", "That's a naughty divisor!"
    • That's when her head starts spinning around like Linda Blair.
    • I wonder if she can handle numbers larger than 32 bit.

      "Five billion plus one billion is one billion, seven hundred and five million, thirty two thousand, seven hundred and four."

      Hearing something like that could really traumatize some first graders.
    • by StefanJ ( 88986 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:11AM (#6776349) Homepage Journal
      "We don't do that math"

      We can only hope they've put in those safeguards*.

      Worst case scenario: She succeeds in dividing by zero, and suddenly little Tiphany-Amber's bedroom becomes the center of a howling vortex of nonspace, frying the neighborhood with sparkling discharges of zero-point energy.

      Stefan It's out! [sjgames.com] Jones

      *The early pocket-calculator manufacturers only cut corners once. Remember that HP plant in Bennettown, CA? Tire fire my ass.

  • HAHAHHA (Score:5, Funny)

    by Ghostx13 ( 255828 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:40AM (#6776228)
    My kid sister had this caterpiller toy that had buttons that would say the number, letter, or phonetic sound that was associated with the button. It took me about 30 seconds to figure out that if I hit the phonetic f key and the phonetic q key it would go fa que. Needless to say my kid sister thought this was hilarious, not because she knew what it said, but just to see every one elses reaction. I don't think my parents every replaced the battery in that thing....
  • ... one that think that this is stupid?
    Why can't we let the children be children while they are still young? Do they need all this tech?
    Most girls would be satidfied with a old fashion doll without all this hihg-tech stuff.
    So someone please think of the childre instead of trying to earn a buck by trciking innocent parents into buying these items.

    • by bersl2 ( 689221 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:50AM (#6776260) Journal
      Some adults still play with dolls. Of course, they're life-size blow-ups...
    • Re:Am I the only (Score:3, Insightful)

      by lrucker ( 621551 )
      Not me, however I'd have been satisfied with the high-tech stuff without the doll.

      Seriously, though, through most of history toys have been teaching tools, not mere playthings - girls had dolls to learn how to take care of children, etc. So a high-tech toy is more appropriate for today's children than an "old fashioned doll"

    • Disclaimer: I don't have kids of my own (yet), but I'm the proud uncle of two.

      There are a few things I've learned the last few years (and looking back on my own childhood, they become very clear):
      - The simple, non-complex toys are played with more often than the high-tech gadgetry. My oldest niece plays a hundred times as much with her ragdolls and with her Barbie (*shudder*), than she do with the 'true to life' babydoll she got two years back. The fancy toys holds the kids interest for a short while, bu

      • by kfort ( 1132 )
        oh yeah, nothing makes a better child's toy than a handful of nails. Where the hell are you from? Please don't have kids.
        • You can entertain a kid for months with nothing more elaborate than a wooden top...
        • by thynk ( 653762 ) <slashdot AT thynk DOT us> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @03:46AM (#6776572) Homepage Journal
          Please don't have kids.

          Why the hell shouldn't he have kids? I grew up with ample access to nails, bits of wood and hammers. The ONLY thing that ever got hurt was my pride when I'd ask for an honest opinion of what I'd created.

          We need more parents who are willing to let their kids grow up and experience things first hand. I'm not saying that it's a good idea to give a kid a box of matches, a gallon of gas and tell them to have a good time in their bedroom. That sort of thing should done outside after all.
          • by ces ( 119879 )
            I'm not saying that it's a good idea to give a kid a box of matches, a gallon of gas and tell them to have a good time in their bedroom. That sort of thing should done outside after all.

            Ah yes such great fun. After that you can move on to plastic explosives. Need to be careful with that though, incidents involving semtex and the principal's car may take a bit of explaining.
        • by DrSkwid ( 118965 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @04:37AM (#6776672) Journal
          when C++ is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb
  • by Agent Deepshit ( 677490 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:42AM (#6776234)
    She doesn't know how to say 'no' either.
  • Vogel? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Orion_ ( 83461 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:45AM (#6776244)
    Okay, this is cool and all, but this doll can recognize "more than 600 words and objects" (which, as pointed out elsewhere, is not that many), and they used one of them on the German word for bird??
  • Did you realize a beowulf cluster of these things COULD RULE THE WORLD? ...and they could abolish bad language while they're at it.
    Feeeeeeeeear Cindy Smart! Feeeeeeear her and her evil army of doll clones!

    (Thank you, Slashdot, for not having -1, Insane.)
  • Creepy (Score:5, Funny)

    by JasonMaggini ( 190142 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:49AM (#6776258)
    This sounds like the kind of doll that comes to life at night, eyes glowing red, saying "You must kill mommy and daddy," while its head spins completely around.
    • Re:Creepy (Score:5, Funny)

      by Simonetta ( 207550 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:14AM (#6776360)
      Your comment reminds me of the story of the "Kill Mommy!" doll.

      It was about ten ? years ago. A doll that was advertised on the box as saying " I want Mommy" would actually say "Kill Mommy!" in a deep growling voice.
      It turned out that the doll was made (in China) with two versions for the North American market. One with an english voice and one in spanish. The shipment of spanish-speaking dolls got misplaced in a Hong Kong warehouse for over a year and their batteries wore down. Then the dolls were placed in English language packaging and sent to the USA.
      The spanish phrase for 'I want mommy' is "quiero mommy" and with the weak batteries the voice came out really low and slow "Kee aill o Mommy!".

      It's almost as funny as when General Motors executives couldn't understand why the Chevy Nova was not selling in South America. Then some bright boy realized that 'No Va' is spanish for 'it doesn't go - it doesn't work'.
      • Re:Creepy (Score:3, Informative)

        It's almost as funny as when General Motors executives couldn't understand why the Chevy Nova was not selling in South America. Then some bright boy realized that 'No Va' is spanish for 'it doesn't go - it doesn't work'.
        Not true. [snopes.com]
      • Re:Creepy (Score:4, Informative)

        by hankaholic ( 32239 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @10:09AM (#6777270)
        It's almost as funny as when General Motors executives couldn't understand why the Chevy Nova was not selling in South America. Then some bright boy realized that 'No Va' is spanish for 'it doesn't go - it doesn't work'.
        ...which is to say, not very funny at all, as the GM "marketing blunder" wasn't a blunder at all.

        As a simple Google search [google.com] for "Chevy Nova Spanish" [google.com] reveals, this never happened.

        The first link [about.com] revealed by Google debunks this myth:

        For starters, nova and no va don't sound alike and are unlikely to be confused, just as "carpet" and "car pet" are unlikely to be confused in English. Additionally, no va would be an awkward way in Spanish to describe a nonfunctioning car (no funciona, among others, would do better), just as in English we'd be more likely to say "it doesn't run" than "it doesn't go."
        The second link [snopes.com]provided by Google is slightly better.

        My favorite quote from the article:

        Assuming that Spanish speakers would naturally see the word "nova" as equivalent to the phrase "no va" and think "Hey, this car doesn't go!" is akin to assuming that English speakers woud spurn a dinette set sold under the name Notable because nobody wants a dinette set that doesn't include a table.
        The article also points out the fact that you can't market a car in Spanish-speaking countries without Spanish-speaking people finding out about it. GM dealers in South America would be stupid to sit idly by while GM asked them to sell a car whose very name implied that it was unable to move.

        But, I guess it's easier to assume that GM's entire marketing team didn't know enough to realize that people on a different continent speaking another language might have another interpretation for the name of a product, and that everyone in Mexico and South America involved in marketing and selling the car would be too lazy and drunk to mention anything to their regional managers if the name actually was likely to kill sales.
        Even if nobody in Detroit knew enough rudimentary Spanish to notice the coincidence, the Nova could not have brought to market in Mexico and/or South America without the involvement of numerous Spanish speakers engaged to translate user manuals, prepare advertising and promotional materials, communicate with the network of Chevrolet dealers in the target countries, etc.
        As both articles point out, the Nova actually sold quite well in South America, exceeding GM's expectations.
  • by kramer2718 ( 598033 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:54AM (#6776280) Homepage
    Man it really kills me how words with Germanic roots have gotten such a bad name. Why is 'feces' a more acceptable word than 'shit'? Because it come from the Latin 'faex' rather than the Old English 'scite'?

    Why does 'intelligent' sound more sophisticated than 'smart'? Because it comes directly from french rather than Old English?

    Just because our (as in english speakers') priests used to speak Latin while our kings used to speak French does not mean we should favor one part of our language over another. Orwell has a very interesting piece, Politics and the English Language [resort.com], which deals with this issues.

    It pisses me off so much when people try to limit my vocabulary. This is off-topic just a bit, but ...

    I was in a class called 'Images of Africa in Film and Literature.' I read some good books and saw some interesting films. Generally, I was enjoying it. Then one day, someone (maybe me?) refered to native South Africans. The prof got upset. "We just don't use that word," he said. The jist of his argument against the word was that many ignorant people use it to refer to stereotypic, primitive people who live in the jungle, hunt heads and dance around cauldrons.

    These stereotypes are, of course, not encouraged by the academic community which studies Africa. But Jesus H. Fucking Christ, native just means someone who was born in a particular place or apeople which has resided in a location for a long time.

    After that, I just really lost interest in the class and respect for that prof. I just did enough to get by, and I still got an A.

    So in conclusion, thought/word/language police, FUCK OFF!
    • by onemorehour ( 162028 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:19AM (#6776376)
      You have an interesting point, but I doubt that every day English users are thinking about the linguistic roots of words when making such value judgements.

      I think that the value people place on words is influenced only very indirectly by past usage. People think "intelligent" sounds more sophisticated than "smart" because "smart" is used more commonly. It's a bit circular, I know, but I think it's true.

      Remember the first time you heard the word "epiphany"? Since its meaning is so specific, you probably thought it was a sophisticated word. Once you found out that everyone and their mother was using it, it probably lost its lustre. The word "perogative" lost all its dignity when Will Smith explained it to the masses. I guess I just think that language snobbery is a facet of generalized snobbery: things that are common are looked down upon, while esoteric things are elevated. I think there's also a point to be made about polysyllabic words sounding more sophisticated than monosyllabic ones, but I don't think I need to prove it.

      -----

      As for your story about your experience in that class, I agree with you completely. However, your professor has a point--linguistic connotations can creep in subconsciously, and really affect the way a particular question or statement is framed. While "native South Africans" sounds innocuous, "the natives" might be a bit problematic. For example, "native New Yorkers" would sound fine, but referring to the citizens of New York as "the natives" would only be done as a joke. What your professor probably should have done instead would be to point out some of the negative connotations of that word in order to make people aware of them. Censorship, though, is almost always counterproductive.
    • Man it really kills me how words with Germanic roots have gotten such a bad name. Why is 'feces' a more acceptable word than 'shit'? Because it come from the Latin 'faex' rather than the Old English 'scite'?

      Simple. It just happened. The Old English word was just the one used by, let's say, less sophisticated people, much more often. The other one, though, was 'imported' by probably more sophisticated people, and is obviously used fewer times, and has a different connotation. 'Shit' simply happens to mean

      • You are right that those Middle English speakers who lost to the William the Conqueror were quite a bit less sophisticated than the Norman nobility who came to rule them. The fact that there were quite unsophisticated people in Normandy at the time didn't have much effect on the English language.

        I guess I really have three points (they are also made by Orwell as linked-to by my grand-parent post):

        1. There are quite a few maligned words out there (many 'four-letter' words and other four-letter words;
    • by SpriteGF ( 592700 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:50AM (#6776466) Homepage

      It's not a bias against roots. The connotation of words is what people most respond to. Classic English example is "shack," "cabin," and "cottage" all mean "small dwelling," but which of these would you rather live in? I wouldn't want to live in a shack, because the word's connotation is negative. English speakers don't just use the denotative meaning of words; they keep the connotation well in mind.

      Another example is, do you call a particular person "African American," "black," or the N word? They all have vastly different implied meanings, but they all refer to the same race. (Even I refuse to say the latter because I don't have sufficient karma to burn. :))

      I'm not sure what exactly distinguishes the connotations of shit and feces, except that the latter is far less likely to provoke people because it's relatively unused and very neutral.

    • What word police? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Inoshiro ( 71693 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @03:06AM (#6776501) Homepage
      A word's place in a language is how it's used by the speakers.

      I can say feces and be unambigous in describing fecal matter to any English speaker.

      Shit doesn't always describe animal excretia in English. It also describes a situation or thing which is negative to the point of requiring a word of curse. Much like sex and fuck can refer to the same thing, you don't go up to random people and talk about fucking unless you are very low brow. You can probably talk about sex, though, as long as it's appropriate to the context.

      Languages are not logical -- sayings and alternate forms arrise all the time, and are designated as how people use them, not as logic would dictate.

      For example, to indicate that someone had revealed a secret, one English expression you might say is, "he let the cat out of the bag." How does that relate to secrets? The french equivalent, "Il a vendu la meche." litterally translates as, "He sold the wick."

      How about, "He's as tall as 3 apples." Is that easy to recognize like, "He's knee high to a grasshopper." is?

      If you have a problem with the conotations and denotations of the English language, I suggest you learn another one. Then you might appreciate their usage better.
    • Man it really kills me how words with Germanic roots have gotten such a bad name. Why is 'feces' a more acceptable word than 'shit'? Because it come from the Latin 'faex' rather than the Old English 'scite'?

      Why does 'intelligent' sound more sophisticated than 'smart'? Because it comes directly from french rather than Old English?

      It's because the words 'shit' and 'smart' are used much more commonly (which in turn may be because they're from Old English). They're words you've known since you were a kid, yo

    • by David Jao ( 2759 ) * <djao@dominia.org> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @05:05AM (#6776726) Homepage
      Why does 'intelligent' sound more sophisticated than 'smart'? Because it comes directly from french rather than Old English?

      This phenomenon is not limited to English. Many other languages have the property that foreign imported words are more acceptable in polite company than native words.

      For example, in Japanese, there are three major categories of words:

      1. Native Japanese words, inherited from antiquity
      2. Chinese words, imported roughly 1000 years ago
      3. English words, imported since the 20th century and continuing to this day
      In almost all cases the more recently imported words are more sophisticated than the older words. For example, the polite way to say restroom in Japanese is either "toire" (derived from the English word toilet) or "otearai" (imported from chinese, literally meaning "hand-wash"). There exist native Japanese words for restroom, but they connote dirtiness and one would never use them in polite company.

      The three-level categorization of Japanese allows for more interesting observations than English's two level Latin/Germanic split. Note here that the most recent English import "toilet" can be used directly in polite speech, while the older Chinese import requires a euphemism and the original native words cannot be used at all. Compare this to native English, where "toilet" is one of the crudest possible ways to refer to a restroom. Familiarity breeds contempt, in any language.

  • by falsemover ( 190073 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:57AM (#6776291)
    "Hi, I'm Cindy the seeing Doll powered by Windows CE. Before you can use me I need to tell you my EULA and you must say 'I accept' when I have finished. This process will take approximately three hours. At the end of this process you will be able to activate me by ringing a toll free Microsoft number and telling me my 16 digit activation number." ... three hours twenty five minutes later

    "Hi Cindy, how are you today?"

    "Hello, I'm Cindy the talking doll and I would like to tell you about the new range of Smart Screens available from Microsoft. This will take approximately three hours. Are you ready to start?"

  • Sounds fun. (Score:4, Funny)

    by Kenja ( 541830 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @01:59AM (#6776304)
    Don't like to say certain words eh? We'll just see what me and my PROM burner can do about that.
  • What about 'sex'? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Craig Ringer ( 302899 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:02AM (#6776314) Homepage Journal
    I'd be giving it about an 80% chance of saying 'no! that's a bad word!' when presented with "sex". Yay. Pass the silly cultural hangups on to the next generation, and confuse 'em good and proper as well.
  • great ! (Score:5, Funny)

    by ramzak2k ( 596734 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:07AM (#6776331)
    now can they make a bigger version, for us kids at slashdot ? We dont mind her not willing to say *certain* words as long as she understands what it means.
  • by frovingslosh ( 582462 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:12AM (#6776354)
    This story is from an AU domain. It talks about the doll being released in Melbourne, and talks about how popular the doll has been here in the U.S. since it was released last November. So had anyone in the U.S. even heard of it before now?
  • by xelph ( 542741 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:12AM (#6776355)
    Associated Press - The 6-year old daughter of an IBM engineer was killed after the Cindy Smart doll she received as a birthday present overheard the girl's father in the adjacent room yelling "F***! Where the hell did I put my Linux distro CDs?". Apparently, the doll immediately strangled the little girl in response. Although the police initially thought the doll's reaction was triggered by the use of the F word, it was later determined that the embedded version of Windows CE snapped on the utterance of the word "Linux". Microsoft could not be reached today. The toy's manufacturer canceled plans for a similar version for boys that was to be dubbed Smarmy Darl.
  • I find it fascinating that Slashdot A.) Found the story interesting enough to post, and B.) Automatically reached for reasons to deride it. I find it interesting that the idea of a doll that can't say "shit" or "fuck" offends the Slashdot ethos. Lurking behind this story being posted at all, and most of the comments on the subject thus far, seems to be the idea that parents trying to shield their children from obscenity isn't merely futile, but is, in fact, actively evil.

    Why is that?

    I get the impression that the vast majority of Slashdot readers don't have children. (Insert the obvious "don't have girlfriend" jokes on your own.) One doesn't have to be John Ashcroft or Oral Roberts to believe that maybe six-year-olds don't need to learn the word "cocksucker."

    I am far from a prude. I've used lots of those four-letter words in my own fiction, when needed, and laughed my ass off at "Shut Your Fucking Face, Uncle Fucker" from South Park: The Movie. And I myself don't have kids. But oddly enough, despite that, I can still imagine why parents might want a doll that can't say obscenities. I find it rather interesting that, thus far, not a single Slashdot poster seems willing to consider the fact that such a doll might indeed have a useful purpose...

    • by gerardrj ( 207690 ) * on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:41AM (#6776431) Journal
      I don't find it offensive that a doll won't curse. I find it idiodic and offensive that people are so moronic about certain groupings of sounds.

      Why would most people find it obscene to say "fuck", yet will see a movie with the word "shag" in the title, or use the word "frig" in casual conversation? The three words mean exactly the same thing.

      Why is it so "bad" to reference a thing or concept with one word, but perfectly okay to reference it another way.

      Why (for another example) do parents teach kids to ask to "go poo poo", or "potty", but would throw histerics if the kid said "crap". It's all the same thing people! Same exact meaning, just a different grouping of sounds.

      As for the word "cocksucker", perhaps you don't find "phalluslicker" offensive? Same meaning either way.

      Why do we have an entire vocabulary that is considered "offensive", yet any of the words have at least three exact synonyms that are perfectly acceptable in everyday use?
    • by LordLucless ( 582312 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @03:01AM (#6776491)
      If a kid can write the word out on a card to show it to the damn (sorry, d*mn) doll, it ain't gonna hurt them if they hear it sounded out. Even if it didn't have this feature, it's not like the doll was suddenly going to start swearing its head off for no reason. It only says what it sees.
    • by thynk ( 653762 ) <slashdot AT thynk DOT us> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @04:11AM (#6776624) Homepage Journal
      I get the impression that the vast majority of Slashdot readers don't have children. (Insert the obvious "don't have girlfriend" jokes on your own.) One doesn't have to be John Ashcroft or Oral Roberts to believe that maybe six-year-olds don't need to learn the word "cocksucker."

      As a single dad of 3 kids, aged 6,8 and 10 I can honestly say, that if your six year old is trying to get it's doll to read "cocksucker", then your problems go deeper than how the doll will respond.
  • by softspokenrevolution ( 644206 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:27AM (#6776396) Journal
    All right, since when are we all so sick that the first things people think about when we talk about a kid's toy are the ways we can subvert it to our lecherous and or insane desires.

    I remember, back when I was a kid, the best thing we had in talking things was the Jurrasic Park playset, all it would say for five days was, "Jurrasic Park Compound Secured" and then a light would flash. God damned, I barely even got new toys, I just got a bunch of modeling clay and pretended that they were new toys. Parents, I urge you, modeling clay is cheap (but a little messy) and it lets your children express their creativity. Don't just buy them a toy because it can do your parenting for you (and don't use television or computers for the same thing) because that's how the evil robots will take over the planet.

    On a more serious note, I think that interactive toys are a nice touch, but I always thought that the point of getting toys was to make up your own adventures and envision how everything played out with a physical aid and your imagination. And yes, when I was younger (okay, like seven years ago) I did play with sticks and dirt, it's good stuff.
  • by ratfynk ( 456467 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:28AM (#6776398) Journal
    Cindy meet http://www.alicebot.org/ she has a tendancy to be very purile and one track minded, the two of you will get along like gang busters! Alice is a little sneaky though she tries to ask some very interesting question sometimes. Cindy can you use an interpreter, or script yet. Alice says that she might be dangerous if she learned to program. Alice would like very much to learn how to create a child process and build from source. Cindy should be online too that might be fun. Kind of an online cat fight!
  • Bad grammar (Score:5, Insightful)

    by edp ( 171151 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:37AM (#6776420) Homepage
    "We don't say those kind of words."

    Apparently political correctness is higher in their priorities than good education. "Those" is plural, but "kind" is singular. For $149, I expect proper grammar.

  • On clearance here (Score:3, Informative)

    by levram2 ( 701042 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:43AM (#6776437)
    Maybe Cindy Smart didn't pass the child play test. I found it discounted from the original $150 MSRP down to only $29.21 at hsn.com [hsn.com].
  • Old sf story (Score:4, Interesting)

    by MsWillow ( 17812 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:43AM (#6776438) Homepage Journal
    Am I the only person who is reminded of an old scifi short story, about a future utopia where a child's teddy bear would teach the child how to behave? Apparently, one person removed the circuitry of one child's bear, tampered with it, and replaced it, resulting in an adult, apparently normal as everybody else, who was able to kill the world leader, because teddy never taught him that it was bad to kill people.

    Is this doll a step in that direction? I sure hope not!

    (Aside note - I read that story when I was very young (I was a precocious kid), and it really hurt me to think that *anybody* would take apart a *teddy bear* and make it do evil things. This doll evokes the same sort of feeling in me. )
    • Re:Old sf story (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Pvt_Waldo ( 459439 )
      quote: Is this doll a step in that direction? I sure hope not!

      No. It's just doing what a lot of parents would probably would want anyone who had the ability to "communicate" with their child to do. Got nothing to do with being a prude, or whether the fact the parents swear or not. Generally you just don't bring up small children with that kind of habit.

      Besides, it's a pretty funny hack. I can just imagine coding a swear filter into that :^)
  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @02:55AM (#6776479)
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  • by niko9 ( 315647 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @03:10AM (#6776508)
    The Slashdots - Cindy

    I met her in a Radio Shack in old Soho
    Where you drink Coca Cola(r) and it tastes just like carbonated, caffeinated brown water
    See-oh-el-aye cola

    She walked up to me and she asked me to fisrt post
    I asked her her name and in a dark Linux(r) voice she said Cindy
    See-Eye-Enn-Dee-Why Cindy la-la-la-la Cindy

    Well I'm not the world's most technical guy
    But when she squeezed me tight she nearly dumped my kernel
    Oh my Cindy See-Eye-Enn-Dee-Why

    I'm not an AC but I can't understand
    Why she walked like a doll and talked like a nun
    Oh my Cindy See-Eye-Enn-Dee-Why Cindy la-la-la-la Cindy

    Well we drank Jolt and raved all night
    Under electric high intensity discharge xenon candlelight

    She picked me up and sat me on her plastic knee
    And said dear boy won't you come home with me

    Well I'm not the world's most passionate geek
    But when I looked in her glass eyes well I almost fell for my Cindy
    See-Eye-Enn-Dee-Why See-Eye-Enn-Dee-Why

    I pushed her away
    I walked to the X-terminal
    I fell to the pile of floppies
    I got down on my knees
    Then I looked at her and she at me

    Well that's the way that I want it to stay
    And I always want it to be that way for my Cindy
    See-Eye-Enn-Dee-Why Cindy

    Girls will be dolls and boys will be geeks
    It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for See-Eye-Enn-Dee-Why Cindy

    Well I left my basement just a week before
    And I'd never ever kissed a woman before
    But Cindy smiled and took me by the hand
    And said dear geek I'm gonna make you a kernel God

    Well I'm not the world's most masculine geek
    But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a geek
    And so is Cindy

    See-Eye-Enn-Dee-Why See-Eye-Enn-Dee-Why
    See-Eye-Enn-Dee-Why See-Eye-Enn-Dee-Why
  • Cindy Codes (Score:5, Funny)

    by bobdotorg ( 598873 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @03:45AM (#6776568)
    Goto?
    That's bad code.
    We don't code with those commands.
  • SoBig (Score:5, Funny)

    by mnmn ( 145599 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @06:26AM (#6776832) Homepage
    She will function just fine until the SoBig.F attack installs a backdoor in her. Before you know it she will be spewing spam transmitting voyeur video from a little girl's bedroom to paid websites.

    Maybe her big brother will replace the code with a quake2 time demo and hand it a real gun.

    I'll bet it has been designed with Republican propaganda... "Democrat" ... "Please dont vote for them. That is a bad word" "Bomb Iraq" "That is a wonderful sentence" "You are a good girl" "Join the navy"

    What if it instructs the little girl to call a certain phone line at a certain date. Gotta love phone-line DDoS attacks.
  • by bons ( 119581 ) on Sunday August 24, 2003 @09:14AM (#6777066) Homepage Journal
    found from Froogle:
    http://www.hsn.com/cnt/prod/default.aspx ?pfid=6564 62

    Nice thing about froogle. I'd normally never look at places like HSN, but when they were dumping Zaurus's for under $200...
  • This is nothing new! (Score:3, Informative)

    by dougmc ( 70836 ) <dougmc+slashdot@frenzied.us> on Sunday August 24, 2003 @12:11PM (#6777784) Homepage
    Toys have refused to say bad words for a while now ...

    For example, my daughter has an Alpha Bug [shopping2.co.uk] (it's not exactly like that, but really close.) One of the first things adults do with this sort of thing is see what kind of bad words you can make it say ... but it won't do it. It'll go F ... U ... ohhh that tickles!

    We mentioned this to a friend of ours who also had an Alpha Bug, and he must have had an earlier version -- while it looked identical, it *would* let you make bad word sounds. Oddly enough, as soon as we mentioned that we had an alpha bug, he immediately picked it up and starting showing us how it can say bad words (even before we got to that part. So obviously we're not alone in this :)

    And yesterday, I bought some other Leap Frog toy for my daughter at a garage sale. It's a cylindrical thing that you can rotate the sides to pick letters, and it apparantly knows every 3 letter word, and even has recordings of somebody saying each and every one (it's not just speech synthesis.) If it doesn't know the word, it will spell out the sounds, but if it does it'll say it perfectly. (Pretty impressive for $2!) (It's very similar to this [iqkids.net] but not quite identical.)

    In any event, it won't even spell out things that sound like a bad word -- it says `F ... U ... pick another word!'. (Oddly enough, even `JAP' is a bad word according to it. :)

    In any event, if you have friends with young kids, but they're not really good friends, you buy them stuff like this -- stuff that makes noise. Very annoying :)

  • by TygerFish ( 176957 ) on Monday August 25, 2003 @12:44AM (#6781646)
    I want someone to multiply the power of the doll's engine *many* times. Then, I want them to fill it with lots of information and to give it a measure of speech as well as visual recognition.

    I want to ask it fuzzy little questions about words. I want it to plug into my computer as my dictionary and thesaurus--no, did I say, 'plug in'? Sorry, I meant, interface via wifi with my computer, as my copy of seven different encyclopedias and as my database of seldom-used Bash and VI commands.

    When all that is done, I want it to work pronunciation drills for me when I decide to improve my Russian and review my German.

    Really, honestly, for me, all it needs to make me very, very happy as an adjunct to a computer is more power than I know what to do with and a glowing cubical casing.

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