The Matrix Trailers, Reloaded and Re-Encoded 266
dark_lotus writes "The fine folks at The Matrix website, have re-encoded all 9 trailers from the original Matrix, bumped up the resolution and uploaded them for us to enjoy, including a never before released trailer. Also included, all the missing Reloaded and Revolutions Trailers and TV Spots - all now available to download."
That's nothing (Score:5, Funny)
*Spoiler warning*
The second and third movies are shit.
Re:That's nothing (Score:5, Insightful)
*Spoiler warning*
The second and third movies are shit.
Moderated -1, Troll?! Who was the humorless geek who moderated this down? It's funny, dammit... even the second bit.
More importantly, it seems every post in this thread that dares criticise the Matrix sequels is getting marked down, troll or not.
The third Matrix movie sucked (not the second IMHO)- you're entitled to disagree, but it's what a lot of people honestly think, like it or not.
Re:That's nothing (Score:2)
Re:That's nothing (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:That's nothing (Score:5, Insightful)
there are some quite brilliant concepts in there that are unfortunately told by the worst possible storytelling (in stark contrast to the first, where the storytelling was so excellent that everything is understood right away).
you have to really think about what is happening, have a little bit of grounding in physics/philosophy, AND keep in mind that there are no truly wasted scenes (yes, the train station scene was NOT wasted. think about what you learned in it.)
Re:That's nothing (Score:2)
I learned that boredom is a palpable force, and that it delights in squatting on my chest, slapping me and screaming "Gimme your lunch money!" and "Who's my bitch? WHO'S MY BITCH?"
Re:That's nothing (Score:2)
All of that silly stuff about what's real and what's not has been done better, both in fiction and nonfiction, for a long time. The Matrix just put a lot of guns and special effects around it so that people who don't normally read these kinds of things get sucked in, and the leave having discovered an entire new world. Unf
Re:That's nothing (Score:4, Interesting)
If it achieved exactly that and nothing more, then it accomplished a worthy mission. Do you have any idea how many Americans (at least) there are that read and have an understanding of philosophy, even as presented in the Matrix? That's right, about a relative handful. If this movie did anything to improve that number, then I say bravo!
On a side note, it seems a lot of people criticize these movies for being redundant in their investigation of our perception of reality. Yes, perhaps it has been done before, but I think the Wachowski's deserve credit for their chosen method of doing so. The concept of the Matrix turned out to be a perfect way of showing (not telling, as my high-school lit teacher admonished us) that our "interface" with reality consists of a nervous system based on electrical impulses, and can conceivably be manipulated, or hacked if you will.
Further, what was more interesting to me was the conflict of determinism vs. choice, or materialism vs. idealism. That also happened to be the underlying conflict of the Cold War, for anyone who knows anything about Marxism, Soviet Communism, and the Enlightenment ideals of America and the West. I found it most enjoyable to see that conflict played out in the setting of the Matrix: man vs. machine; absolute determinism vs. absolute free will. Since Reloaded and Revolutions dealt more with that conflict, while The Matrix dealt mostly with the nature of reality, I enjoyed the second two movies just as much, and more in Reloaded's case, than the first.
***HUGE SPOILER ALERT*** (Score:5, Informative)
what did we learn in the train station scene?
1. there is an outer computer world that is much like the matrix, where the machine programs live.
2. they combine to produce new mental "offspring," the mother and dad figures. they do NOT reproduce via cloning, like agent smith does. Societies of perfect (agent smith-like) clones can fail to a single infection/problem (see Ghost in the Shell for more on this, pretty sure the comics-crazy watchowski brothers did). that's why agent smith is a fundamental threat against the machines. Smith gains the ability to break the rules and ignore "kill" and "do not clone" signals, which is exactly what Neo learned in #1 in order to become The One.
3. there is a link between the outer world and the Matrix human playpen/pigsty that is tightly controlled but also subject to a black market (the frenchman likes his kicks, and sells them to others)
4. program offspring in the outer matrix must already have a reason to exist, otherwise they are terminated. the matrix is a bit of a legal backwater where unneeded programs can live and perhaps FIND a purpose ("what good is a newborn babe?")
5. misc. other: the "eyes of the oracle", why are the so important? the oracle is one of the two designers of the matrix. she knows the state of everything in it (omniscient in a way that is not possible in the real world due to heisenberg). She also has a deep understanding of humans, and can usually predict what they will do. this is the nature of her "fortune telling." it is not perfect, human choices sometimes are unpredictable (this is the fundamental flaw in the matrix according to the Architect). She also "cannot see past the choices we don't understand." If she doesn't understand a decision fully, she cannot predict it's outcome.
This plays back to the Frenchman's longwinded speech in 2: action-reaction. He believes that if you poke a human a certain way, you can predict the response. we have no free will, we are just deterministic biological computers (he demonstrates this with the chocolate cake.) so he seeks knowlege, and ultimately control via gaining the "eyes of the oracle," which must allow the owner to see all of the matrix from a "programmer with debugger tool" perspective.
however, the oracle knows that perfect knowlege of the world and it's history DOES NOT give one perfect prescience. whatever drives human free will (choice) is sometimes unpredictable. we are NOT deterministic creatures.
And for the final mega spoiler theory: smith and neo cannot kill each other at the end of #3. they both know it, they can both ignore kill signals. smith infects neo, then Neo *chooses to die*!!! smith cannot avoid this internal kill signal. all his clones fall prey to the same signal. they *all* die. smith even with the oracle's powers can not have known that trinity had died in the real world and that neo would choose follow her in death. so he could not forsee beyond that choice he did not understand. (if trinity were alive, neo probably would not have made that choice).
End of Class.
The Oracle's last line in Matrix Revolutions (Score:2)
At the end of the trilogy, she says she never knew--she just believed.
The point seemingly being that it wasn't that she knew something was going to happen, but that she believed it would happen and aided in such. Self-fulfilling prophecy?
It's too damned bad the movie itself doesn't live up to the subtexts it raises.
But... why was it raining? (Score:2)
"He who reads deep
Re:***HUGE SPOILER ALERT*** (Score:2)
Huh, that was interesting. I might go and see it now.
YLFIRe:***HUGE SPOILER ALERT*** (Score:2)
that part is lame, or at least I haven't figured out any intelligence behind it. As for the rest, see the fi
Re:***HUGE SPOILER ALERT*** (Score:2)
Re:That's nothing (Score:2)
QrapTime (Score:2)
Little late... (Score:5, Insightful)
--trb
Re:Little late... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Little late... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Little late... (Score:2)
I would say more than just alot.
Re:Little late... (Score:2)
I stick to TV shows from other lands, rather than movies.
Re:Little late... (Score:2)
Move on. There's nothing to see here folks.
Won't last for long (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Won't last for long (Score:5, Insightful)
No. Even when the superbowl trailer was released the site didn't even slow down. I downloaded the whole trailer at 200kb/s.
They're on the AOL pipes [netcraft.com]
Re:Won't last for long (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Won't last for long (Score:2)
Re:Won't last for long (Score:2)
Whoever did it (Score:5, Insightful)
Thank you for actually doing something nice for fans for once Hollywood.
Re:Whoever did it (Score:4, Insightful)
Are you kidding? (Score:5, Insightful)
the interest in their films fell way off, and so they're trying to generate some positive press and keep the core fanbase interested.
This is anything but selfless. They still have a dvd to sell that, judging by the attendance, not so many people care to buy at the moment.
Re:Are you kidding? (Score:3, Interesting)
This is a very valid point, but realize that this kind of stuff would normally end up as Extras on the upcomin
Re:Are you kidding? (Score:2)
Thank you for the ever so insightful post. Could you please explain (and quote) where I said that movie trailers WEREN'T advertisements? In fact, in my parent post I said that I never doubted what they were. I was merely glad they are doing it free of charge as opposed to some other studios which have thrown them on a special edition
Why? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Why? (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, I keep a few trailers on my computer at work. Just to play when I'm bored or going out of my mind because of work (did I just repeat myself there? ;).
My work computer doesn't have a DVD-ROM drive, and I don't have a portable player. Not to mention, I'd rather not carry my DVDs all over the place, lest they get damaged or stolen.
Yeah, it's not a h
Re:Why? (Score:2)
If I remember this correctly ( it's been a long time since someone borrowed my Matrix 1 DVD and didn't bring it back... ) this song is The Eyes of Truth, by Enigma. It's on the soundtrack CD. Confirming, you can see complete music listings for all the trailers / mo
Re:Why? (Score:2)
Bleah, no it's not, sorry.
YLFIHmmmm.... Nice. (Score:2, Informative)
What's the point ? (Score:3, Insightful)
I mean, what's the bloody point of creating a new trailer for a film that's long been released ?
Surely the point of a trailer is to advertise the film ?
What a complete waste of time. Of course, there will still be some sad geeks that just have to download it and go 'oooo' and 'wow !!', and 'look at that !' for reasons best known to them and their damp tissues.
Re:What's the point ? (Score:5, Funny)
Some people believe that if you beat it long enough, the dead horse will respond.
Theatrical Trailer/Broken Link (Score:5, Informative)
http://progressive.warnerbros.com/thematrix/us/med /matrix_tr_theatrical_640_dl.zip [warnerbros.com]
Re:WARNING! LINK REDIRECTS TO GOASTE.CX! MOD DOWN! (Score:5, Funny)
considering the post shows the actual domain in [brackets.com], you'll see there is no goaste.cx or whatever the site is
Sure, they make pretty good trailers (Score:5, Funny)
unreleased trailer (Score:5, Funny)
............crap....why did my download just die?
Re:unreleased trailer (Score:2, Funny)
The Asstrix (Score:3, Funny)
Just makes me think (Score:4, Interesting)
Converting people on the inside, gaining an army of followers battling the system.
Re:Just makes me think (Score:5, Insightful)
Personally, I wanted to watch the machines destroy the giant matrix server in order to get rid of Neo, with Neo flipping through subsystems trying to avoid the path of destruction. Of course, I also wanted the producers to ignore the whole flying at the end of the first movie thing, claiming metaphoric license, and I wanted the second movie to, you know, advance the plot.
I guess like the unofficial Star Wars prequels, a fan's work is never done.
Doesn't work (Score:5, Interesting)
Now, sure...you can free a whole bunch of people (which Neo did...Morpheus mentions in reloaded more people had been freed in the past 6 months then had been in the past 6 years). Then you could send them all into the matrix to fight...what? The rest of the humans still plugged in? The very people you're trying to save? Heck, you'd need way too many hovercrafts to get these people up to broadcast depth, all to do something Neo can do on his own. Inside the matrix, he rules. If he can't handle something, no amount of "normal" people can. The only thing Neo was incapable of handling on a pure fight was Smith, and Smith has shown his ability to copy himself even into people that have been freed from the matrix (ie, Bane).
But yeah...I know what you mean. It would be much cooler to have a whole bunch of really good fight scenes inside the matrix than the whole boring Zion fight. Then again, I know a whole bunch of other people who think the exact opposite, were really tired of the wire-fu, and really liked the Zion battle.
I could live either way. All I needed was an explanation of what the heck happened. In an all-fantasy story like Lord of the Rings, anything goes...it's fantasy. With the matrix, the first matrix set the boundaries--the reason Neo can do all those things is because he's inside a computer program, and he can change the program somehow. Then, with Revolutions they pulled the whole "the power of the one extends beyond this world" thing. Why? The power of the one was changing the code of the matrix, what other power does he have that allows him to do things outside the matrix? Really, I wouldn't care how they approached the revolution, I just wanted a coherent storyline.
Re:Doesn't work (Score:2)
The power of the one was changing the code of the matrix, what other power does he have that allows him to do things outside the matrix?
You may have noticed that the special powers which Neo has outside the Matrix only work on things from the machine world (ability to stop sentinels, ability to 'see' machines/programs (e.g. Smith) while blind). The explanation must be that Neo has some kind of 'wireless connection' to the Matrix, which allows him to communicate with the Matrix without being plugged in. N
Re:Just makes me think (Score:5, Interesting)
Converting people on the inside, gaining an army of followers battling the system.
Which is exactly what Smith did. Makes you think about the convo between Neo and the Oracle:
Neo: What is he?
Oracle: He's you.
I think once all three are out, and can be watched back to back, there will be a better appreciation for the series. I recently re-watched Revolutions (in IMAX! Woo hoo!) and picked up on a lot of things that I missed the first time. Same goes with repeat viewings of Reloaded.
I think people just wanted a slam-bang action movie with guns and martial arts and cool effects (like the first). Though, knowing the
Re:Just makes me think (Score:2)
Actually, this is exactly what I didn't think the first movie was (there was a great deal of philosophical questions raised), and also the reason why I rated it 9 of 10 at IMDb. I found it to be a spectacular combination of ground breaking special effects nicely combined with an unusally "deep" movie. Matrix Revolutions on the other hand... Main characters gone in the major part of the movie, mo
That's not what we're looking for. (Score:5, Insightful)
I see in the Reloaded and Revolutions the same problems I see in Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones: A big idea, executed poorly.
In the first Matrix, parallels with mythical/historical figures were obvious. Neo was a Christ-like figure, Morpheus a prophet, and Cypher a Judas. But Neo was also a conflicted hacker, Morpheus had a personality containing something besides bombast, and Cypher was an interesting villain in his own right. In other words, the characters were certainly analogues for other characters, but they were also themselves. They had senses of humour, they could love and hate, they had weaknesses and strengths, and were, for lack of a better word, human.
Then came Reloaded, and all of that was lost. The parallels between the characters and figures went from subtle to painfully transparent, and the characters stopped being themselves. They were cardboard representations of the archetypes they were meant to represent.
What made the first Matrix so compelling was the human element, which was lost in the sequels. Instead, we got Link and his wife as sort of an afterthought, and they are utterly forgettable. We have the guy I can only think of as "Spoon-boy," whose dialogue was so painful to watch I almost asked for my money back. We have Morpheus going from desperate searcher to religious zealot, while the commander who doesn't believe him (the only person in Zion with an ounce of common sense) portrayed as a one-dimensional obstacle to truth and light and all that crap.
These movies were bad. I mean BAD. But the worst thing about them was that the story concept was still good.
My suspicion is that the Wachowski brothers suffer from the same problem George Lucas does now. No one will tell them "uhh, guys, this dialogue sucks!" Or better yet "why don't you guys stick to directing and coming up with plotline, and let other people do the writing." Or even "for the love of god, guys, let an editor have a crack at this tripe!"
That's what we all wanted (Score:3, Insightful)
We were all looking forward to an incredible sequel involving Neo freeing the people Matrix world as the Agents and whatever else tried desperately to stop him, and then the entire freed world tackling the machines in the third film and destroying their captors in ultimate victory. Neo was supposed to be the superhero to end all superheroes.
However, the sequels decided to o
Torrents? (Score:3, Interesting)
Here's the Torrent - http://www.filerush.com/torre (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Here's the Torrent - http://www.filerush.com/to (Score:2)
C'mon folks. Stay connected for a while after you finish downloading -- at least until you've uploaded as much as you've downloaded.
Just Watch the Trailers (Score:5, Funny)
And suckage is easier to deal with in small doses.
Peter Jackson - learn from this (Score:3, Insightful)
People will still buy your extended DVD if they want it all on one disc (not forgetting the high quality plastic Denethor figurine in the Collectors' Edition), but they won't be forced to pay $$$ for something they only want to see half an hour of.
Bandwidth (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Bandwidth (Score:2)
Matrix Revolutions according to Jon Stewart (Score:2, Funny)
I swear, the slamming he gave it the day after Revolutions came out has to be one of the funniest daily shows lines this year. He kept harping on it for the rest of that week. Everytime me or my wife hear someone mention the matrix, we both end up looking at each other and saying "It Bloooooooowwws" for giggles.
-chris
uh.... (Score:2, Funny)
Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:5, Insightful)
As of late, there's been a resurgence in so-called "franchise" movies, where the funding for and expectation of a sequel is a foregone conclusion during the production process. Recently, we've seen three variants of this:
A) Lord Of The Rings, which filmed all three episodes in one monster shoot, then spent a year between each tweaking for maximum quality.
B) The Matrix Trilogy, which filmed the second and third episode in a less-monstrous shoot, and originally planned to unveil the conclusion a mere three months after the return. Tweaking was not originally planned for.
C) Harry Potter, which does not appear to begin production of the next chapter until the previous movie has finished its theatrical run.
Given these three case studies, it's worth noting that two of them (LOTR and HP) have their plotlines and characters fully fleshed out from day one, far in advance of movie production. Meanwhile, The Matrix sequels were written in response to the success of the original, meaning the third one got a screenplay before the second saw any public scrutiny.
I think this was the problem.
Unlike LOTR and HP, which had a healthy community of readers who could be tapped to determine which parts were most interesting and which parts could be sacrificed to the cutting room floor, the Wachowski's flew blind when concluding their series. They tried to show everything they could do, rather than explore the dimensions people were most interested in. When they realized their conclusion answered none of the new questions people couldn't help but ask -- they had no opportunity to recover their loss, save to push a worldwide release.
It's sad, too. Matrix Revolutions should have been a revolution inside the Matrix; the humans taking over their own virtual world, perhaps saving their own, perhaps abandoning it to the machines. Fundamentally, it should have been about the many within, not the grungy escapees. And so many interesting opportunities were abandoned...the spoon from the Matrix showing up in Zion, for instance. E
I don't know what happened. But I do know -- the serial format has brought some astonishing successes, and alot of money -- but when it fails, it seems to fail big.
Yours Truly,
Dan Kaminsky
DoxPara Research
http://www.doxpara.com
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:4, Informative)
Besides, can you think of *any* film franchise that has gone beyond 3 without sucking a very large one? Please, no-one say Police Academy.
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:5, Insightful)
James Bond. The 21st film is planned for release in 2005.
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:3, Informative)
I'll agree that it's gone beyond 3 without sucking, but the last few really leave a lot to be desired.
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:2)
By comparison, The Matrix trilogy is _dead_, in a way that eclipses the failures of Godfather 3, or to
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:2)
Star Trek. 2, 6 and 8 were arguably the best, followed by 4 and 7, then the rest. The only one that really sucked big time in my opinion was 5 and even it has rewatchable bits.
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:2)
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:2)
Well, even thought they say that LOTR is only 3 movies, there's gotta be at least 6 or so movies in there.
Harry Potter at 50 (Score:5, Funny)
Not according to the Wachowskis (Score:2)
Joel Silver has spoken before about how the Wachowskis came to him with a sci-fi trilogy even around 1994. The idea was an episodic storyline like a comic book.
They made Bound to prove that they could direct, then started work on the first Matrix movie.
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:2)
The first movie ends with Neo saying he was going to show people the world they lived in. The last movie ends with Neo dead and the status quo perfectly maintained. I posit that the former is an interesting future to imagine, and the latter is just stupid. "So, everyone
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:2)
So there might have been a trilogy, but I assure you: This wasn't it.
--Dan
Re:Of Serials: Matrix, ROTK, and Harry Potter (Score:2)
I assure you, this is the trilogy they had planned. Not that it changes the suckage.
Whatever happened to Revolutions? (Score:2)
I think I saw one or two ads after the fact but it was almost like it came in with a gusto and left a week later in a wimper.
Re:Whatever happened to Revolutions? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, if only I could have such a failure.
Reloaded [imdb.com]
Revolutions [imdb.com]
And let me stop you before you go nattering on about how it doesn't matter how much money it made, it was still a flopped and it sucked and I hated it and people that liked it are dumb. That's an opinion, and you're entitled to it. The movie was a financial success, if not a critical one, and my opinion has always been that critical review is flaky and insubstantial anyway. Critics hated the Wizard of Oz when it came out.
Kind of like
Bottom line, I liked it, a lot of people didn't which is understandable. I'll be buying the boxed set when it comes out and keeping 'GLMatrix' as my screensaver and sporting my "I took the red pill" shirt proudly.
Re:Whatever happened to Revolutions? (Score:2)
By all of this you aren't purporting to say that a movie should be considered "good" because it made a lot of money, are you?
And we aren't really talking about "critical reviews" anyway, it's more the sitting there in the dark theater and being bored out of my skull; that's what I'm using as a measure of success in the current instance. (I know, I know - I don't ge
Baah Baaah. (Score:2)
(note: *I* am making the sheep noises, therefore *I* must be the sheep.)
Trailers done by slashdotters? (Score:4, Funny)
"Shouldn't that be 'In Soviet Russia'?"
Could not resist, sorry.
Alex
Given up (Score:2)
Re:Given up (Score:2)
Re:Given up (Score:2)
You take both pills... (Score:2)
Dirty! (Score:2)
Yawn..... (Score:2)
Matrix Revolutions Plot Summary (Score:5, Funny)
Neo: Woah.
Morpheus: But we've known that since the first movie.
Zion is being attacked. The next hour and a half consists of:
Shooting robots.
Shooting robots.
Shooting robots.
Shooting robots.
Shooting robots.
Shooting the wall.
Shooting robots.
Shooting robots.
"Accidental Friendly Fire." (The guy owed me a few bucks.)
Shooting robots.
Shooting bigger robots.
Neo: I know how to save Zion. I have to login to the kernal and see if he'll grant me root/admin privileges.
LOGIN: Neo
PASSWORD: trinitywaseasy
(Neo clicks Apple > Restart.)
The End!
Honestly I don't care about "High Resolution" trailers and other propoganda if the actual content is crap.
...on the ninth day of Christmas... (Score:2)
3 days left... :)
This is what Hollywood is good at... (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh Thank God.... (Score:2)
UGH
Hay W Brothers! How about I give you the finger and you give me my wasted time and money back?
Re:Why? (Score:5, Funny)
Sad, but true (Score:2)
The so-called Burly Brawl would have worked so much better if it had intercut between CG and real movement just like the trailer does. But the flying camera made it seem too obviously unreal. Plus, the trailer has that cool "Supermoves" song.
The Matrix Revolutions also has the same effect, to a lesser extent. The trailers are incredible. The way the full scenes were edited in the movie, however, shatter them.
Re:Why? (Score:3, Insightful)
ohh how i wish this were true. then maybe when it says the movie starts at 5:30 i know i should actually try to get there on time. in my theater they started RotK 20 minutes late with more commercials and trailers then ever. actually let me restate that. the listed time was 5:30. previews/trailers/commercials all started at 5:50. if i wanted commercials i'd watch TV.
Re:Why? (Score:2)
I would have never downloaded a movie (that takes forever - it's a lot of data, damn it), but by golly, I'm gonna pull one or two down now just because it pisses me off to have *paid* to see that commercial. :
Re:Why? (Score:2)
the first is "seance" which is when the commercials start, then usually it says how long the commercials/previews will last.
it's not so bad in france because the commercials usually have naked women in them. huzzah!
Re:Re-Encoded... (Score:2, Funny)
They really had other [thesmokinggun.com] things [eonline.com] to worry [gothamist.com] about. I guess that explains everything, especially the dialogue and plot, obviously written in a hurry by someone completely absent-minded and concentrated on something else.
Re:cool (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:bit of an obvious question but (Score:2)