Daily Show's Viewers Best O'Reilly's In Political Quiz 254
tjg89 writes "CNN.com has an interesting article about some deragatory comments made about Daily Show viewers by Bill O'Reilly and how Comedy Central reacted. They not only proved that the Daily Show viewers are better informed than viewers of his show, but they are also more informed than viewers of Jay Leno and David Lettermen. Are more slashdot readers Daily Show people or O'Reilly people?" Update: 09/29 16:55 GMT by T : The Daily Show's audience actually topped viewers of "The Tonight Show,""The Late Show" and "The O'Reilly Factor"; CNN just carried the story. (Thanks to reader Robert Nevitt for the correction.)
Fox? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Fox? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Fox? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Fox? (Score:3, Funny)
WTFox? (Score:3, Interesting)
I call troll. After RTFA twice now it clearly says that the survey was between Daily Show, Late Night, and The Tonight Show, nowhere did they survey The Factor viewers. So how does this "prove" the viewers of the Daily Show are better informed than The Factor viewers?
Also did anyone else catch the percentages?! From the CNN.com artic
Re:Fox? (Score:3, Interesting)
Neither (Score:3, Insightful)
Try her out (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Try her out (Score:2)
Re:Try her out (Score:2, Informative)
And I don't mind her voice at all.
Re:Neither (Score:5, Insightful)
The thing that strikes me... even tho John Stewart calls his show "the most respected name in fake news"... its not really fake news. They don't make shit up (like the onion), they take real news, and insert funny little quips.
The fact is THEY ARE REAL NEWS. They are biased, they poke alot of incessant fun at the news. However, they still report real news and, I think, do it better than the average news show.
Most news shows spend alot more time on car accidents, shootings and just generally parading out the clowns and disasters in society, whereas the daily show generally reports on relevant political and social issues (only occasionally parading out some freaks).
Sure they make fun of them alot, and don't really try to cover the whole story. But they do make the issues fun, and they talk about more real issues. That instantly puts them ahead of any network news I have seen . Who seem to try and make the political news as short and boring as possible.... so they can as quickly get back to scaring the shit out fo you with the human freaks.
-Steve
Re:Neither (Score:2)
Re:Neither (Score:3, Interesting)
How are they biased? Bias would imply that they have a preferred viewpoint that they choose over the facts, regularly.
Stewart's got a liberal viewpoint - that's fairly obvious. But he blasts Democrats just as much as Republicans, and he has people from both parties on the show, and he's equally kind to both of them.
One of the best Daily Show episodes was when Stewart interviewed the author of a book about a connection between 9/11 and Iraq. Th
Re:Neither (Score:2)
Paul.
Daily Show (Score:4, Insightful)
To be fair, I did try listening to the Radio Factor for a few weeks. O'Reilly is head and shoulders above Hannity and Rush. But that's like saying Franco was head and shoulders above Hitler and Stalin. It's all relative.
Re:Daily Show (Score:2)
... who is still dead, BTW.
Re:Daily Show (Score:3, Funny)
You forgot liar.
Re:Daily Show (Score:2, Funny)
These are the Bush years, man. Godwin's law is always quick.
Re:Daily Show (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Daily Show (Score:3, Insightful)
If you like it better, I'll say:
"But that's like saying RC Cola is head and shoulders above Pepsi and Coke. It's all relative."
I'd have to accept that you find all three beverages as palatable as malted battery acid.
Been trying to tell my father-in-law that for year (Score:2, Informative)
Well.. (Score:5, Funny)
The Daily Show is responsible... (Score:5, Funny)
"The Facts are obviously biased against the Bush administration."
I'll Tell You Why (Score:2, Interesting)
Because when you go to CNN and click on the article [cnn.com] there's a link saying "pop quiz". I took it, thinking that it would be the Annenberg quiz [annenbergp...center.org] and that I could test myself against it.
Wrong.
Instead, it was an idiotic CNN poll "quiz" about how many times the people on Leno make fun of Bush or Kerry. 7 Questions. All stupid. Probably someone who watches a lot of Leno/Letterman made up such a silly, unnewsworthy CNN poll...
Quote from O'Reilly (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Quote from O'Reilly (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Quote from O'Reilly (Score:5, Insightful)
Remember after September 11th, The Onion ran "Holy Fucking Shit: Attack on America"? Summed up the situation pretty good, and actually contained real information (about the history of Muslim anti-American sentiment). Meanwhile all the cable channels could do is have an endless loop of planes crashing into buildings or pundits who knew very little and preached fear.
And more often then not, we remember the lame jokes told during late-night monologs than the long boring congressional sessions on CSPAN. Believe me, I watch both regularly, and a good 30-second joke can sum up a 2-hour fillibuster quite nicely.
Re:Quote from O'Reilly (Score:3, Informative)
--trb
truth hurts less when you laugh (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Quote from O'Reilly (Score:2)
Even More Frightening (Score:4, Insightful)
That's frightening.
Summary has several errors (Score:5, Informative)
Second, the summary says, "Daily Show viewers are better informed than viewers of [O'Reilly's] show", which is also incorrect. The CNN article states that more Daily Show viewers are 4+ years college educated and $100K+ salaried, but it says nothing about who is more informed between O'Reilly and the Daily Show. The Daily Show viewers are more informed than Letterman etc.
Story submitters and mods need to do a better job and actually read the articles they submit.
Re:Summary has several errors (Score:3, Interesting)
Daily Show viewers tie heavy (4+ days/week) cable news viewers and beat the ones that watch less. The poll doesn't break out which cable network they prefer. So technically, Daily Show viewers are just as or better informed than O'Reilly viewers *and* CNN viewers, but CNN's not going to tell you that in their article.
Re:Summary has several errors (Score:3, Interesting)
Coincidence (Score:3, Informative)
Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:3, Informative)
On the other hand... Jon Stewart is a comic genius. I get more real news from the first 15 minutes of the daily show than watching CNN, MSNBC, CNBC and FOX all day. Plus I get to LOL on many occasions. Jon definitely deserves a shot at the tonight show after Jay is gone, or even Letterman's spot.
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:3, Informative)
First, this was a taped segment that O'Reilly showed, and apologized for twice. Second, he cut Glick off for multiple reasons; a personal insult saying that O'Reilly had used 9/11 to push his own agenda, referring to the Fl
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:3, Insightful)
What is the point of an interview if not to get the guest's views? I don't care about the host's opinion! We see them every day (and hear them on the radio)! O'Reilly has a segment on his show where he gets his own soap box, save it for then.
Glick was talked over, and over, and over, repeatedly. That's the weakest and lamest excuse for a "filibuster" if indeed he was trying to make one. He had a few points he wanted to make,
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:2)
If The Factor was simply a news show, I would agree. But it's not, it editorializes the news and makes no bones about it. Look at Bill Maher, look at Dennis Miller...similar formats, they can cut their guests off anytime they want. The McGlaughlin (sp?) group as well...they present news, debate it, and you're left to make a decision.
As far as the business of "The Paris Business Review", I remember him correcting himself,
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:2)
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:2)
Franken's challenge to O'Reilly was that he lived in Westbury. O'Reilly says he lived in the Westbury part of Levittown. If people accept that Levittown was a blue-collar, working class town then the proof is in the deed [billoreilly.com].
--trb
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:3, Insightful)
Let's take a look at these reasons one at a time:
a personal insult saying that O'Reilly had used 9/11 to push his own agenda,
Isn't this exactly what the conservatives have done? If I were them, I'd be proud of it, not insulted by it.
referring to the Florida election as a "coup",
A coup doesn't have to be violent and you can't deny that they *never* had the recount that would prove it one way or the other.falsely accusing Bush Sr. of training 100,000 moujahadee
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:2)
Do you mean conservatives or Republicans? I'll grant you that O'Reilly leans conservative, but not Republican. We can argue this one if you want, but he's a registered independant and while he happens to agree with many Republicans *because* they're conservative, he has opposed the Bush administration on issues (in other words, he's not a talking head like Hannity).
A coup doesn't have to be violent
I would argue you're not even technically correct
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:2)
I would say conservatives in general- Republicans are the worst of the lot, but every conservative I've ever seen, including the ones who are
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:2)
I might cede the point that everyone with an agenda has used 9/11 for that agenda in some ways. I'm just not sure what O'Reilly's agenda is, per se. If he's not a Republican or a Democrat, and he doesn't advocate one candidate or the other, does he have an agenda past his ratings?
Bush I's decision to leave troops in Saudi Arabia was a direct cause
If you look at the transcripts, Glick wasn't saying that Bush's actions were a di
A registered independant? (Score:2)
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:2)
One thing that I have to say about that guy (trb001) [slashdot.org], is that he sure is quick to defend O'Reilly and has some very specific defenses to attacks on O'Reilly's actions.
I watched O'Reilly for a couple of months when I found my cable company had FNC. He is mostly a right leaning motor mouth, who had developed a style of badgering his que
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:2)
Agreed but it's 24 hours late- thus it's still worthwhile reading the newspaper as well (it takes time to make up all of those jokes). The closest ever will be Thursday Night after they've spent the entire time of the debate getting clips and making up jokes.
Re:Bill O'Reilly is a liar and a bully. (Score:2)
I wish that were to be... however they have already promised the job to Conan. Which is sad, I think. Conan is funny sometimes, but I just don't think it is right for the Tonight Show. Jon would be a FAR better fit.
My Vote (Score:2)
Re:My Vote (Score:2)
Bill Maher often had intelligent commentary, but I don't miss B-level celebrities trying to convince the world they're still relevant with hackneyed and trite positions on every inane issue which they feel compelled to thrust into the discussion despite Maher's best efforts at keeping the conversation above the high school level..
*gasp*
Re:My Vote (Score:2)
Re:My Vote (Score:2)
PI got great ratings, and certainly didn't suffer for a lack of audience. But you don't see it anymore because the advertising dried up. The Man turned that show right off.
Re:My Vote (Score:2)
No Bill Maher turned that show off by making stupid comments about 9/11.
I used to like PI when it was first on HBO (before it was picked up by network TV). There was some balance in his opinion and he ueually split the guest 2-2 (both in terms of political leanings and actual substance). He would have on a joker from each POV (comedian, actor, ...) and a semi-serious thinker with each POV.
When he moved to network it because him and three guest who were left and one p
Re:My Vote (Score:2)
Ackkk mush have more coffee..
Should read
network it bacame..
Not Surprising . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
This is not surprising for two reasons: first, Bill O'Reilly saying something derogatory about anyone is about as novel as shit coming out of my ass. He's the Rush Limbaugh of TV: extremely close minded and very inflammatory to those who don't agree with him.
Second, anyone who watches The Daily Show has to be pretty open minded and independent thinking. The Daily Show pokes fun at everyone: Republicans, Democrats and even themselves! Their brand of humor also takes a little bit more thought, so those who don't "get it" usually stop watching.
kekeke ^___^ (Score:2)
I know you're not supposed to post comments that don't add anything to the discusson, but this statement just made me crack up. ^___^
Re:Not Surprising . . . (Score:2)
I love the Daily Show, but if that is what passes for requiring thought then I feel really bad about the mental state of our society.
Most of the skits involve the correspondents doing or saying something outlandish and absurd and Jon playing the straight man to it. Then there is the whole category of jokes geared to our inner 12 years olds that are just funny because they use course language, e.g "
Re:Not Surprising . . . (Score:2)
Agreed, but I think I may have not clarified that statement enough: what I was referring to was when John does the whole headlines thing, with each headline followed closely by a zinger. People unfamiliar with this format have often confused what John says as really happening, and since truth can be stranger than fiction, it's not too hard to imagine someone taking it se
Re:Not Surprising . . . (Score:3, Insightful)
I admit to not listening to Rush very much, but I think he is far less full of himself than Bill is. Rush knows that, if
There's a quiz, too ... (Score:2)
Re:There's a quiz, too ... (Score:2)
Paris Business Review (Score:5, Informative)
Someone should ask Bill O'Reilly abount the Paris Business Review [amon-hen.com].
More on the survey (Score:2)
Cut Em Some Slack (Score:3, Interesting)
Something like this came out about a year ago from the Pew Trust.
Basically, viewers of certain TV networks were less informed than viewers of other networks - not naming any names here, mind you - and people who got their news from other sources, such as radio and newspapers tended to be more informed than people who got their news just from TV.
Such polls don't give proper credit to the tough job that some of those TV hosts have on their hands, the challenges they must confront to educate their viewers.
But picking on viewers of certains shows is like picking on special ed teachers for the abilities of their class - those teachers have a tough job on their hands and people need to cut them some slack. Here they are, working selflessly for little compensation to educate the common man, and people ridicule them for mistakes of their students.
Let's "Leave No Viewer Behind."
I'll have to disagree with you on that. (Score:5, Insightful)
Yup. I'm with you so far.
"But picking on viewers of certains shows is like picking on special ed teachers for the abilities of their class - those teachers have a tough job on their hands and people need to cut them some slack. Here they are, working selflessly for little compensation to educate the common man, and people ridicule them for mistakes of their students."
Nope. That's the problem. The "political" talk show hosts aren't "working selflessly for little compensation to educate the common man".
They have their agenda to push and the manner in which they push it determines their audience.
If you are a small-minded, mean bigot, your audience will, primarily, be others of that type.
Therefore, surveying the self-selected audience gives you a good indication of the nature of that show.
Re:Cut Em Some Slack (Score:2)
Personally, getting all you news from Fox is like getting all your news from one politial campaign or another. Roger Aisles is in charge of news at Fox, and he was and for practical purposes still is a Republican operative. If there were a network run by
Given up on the Daily Show (Score:2, Interesting)
It's not fun to watch anymore, so I don't. (And no, I don't watch O'Reilly either)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Given up on the Daily Show (Score:2)
And let'
Re:Given up on the Daily Show (Score:5, Insightful)
Since the Daily Shows mission is basically to make fun of the media, the current government in power, and coverage of the government by the media - that sort of makes the republicans target numero uno at this point, just because of their own success.
Re:Given up on the Daily Show (Score:2)
I have seen what you mean but I don't think it's as bad as you do. I think they still make fun of both sides penty it's just that this time around Jon Stewart, himself, is having trouble holding back his feeling of disdain for the Bush Administration. The Daily Show is still one of the most balanced shows there is (even if their anti-Bush sentie
Re:Given up on the Daily Show (Score:3, Informative)
Why the Daily Show works (for me) (Score:5, Insightful)
The issues are there in either type of show; the difference is that I research the DS stories afterwards more often. (probably because they pick the most insane real life stuff to begin with, and the stories that *don't* make it to other media outlets.)
People who watch other 'news' shows take for granted that the story, as presented, is all there is to it. (In my experience)
Much like the Patriot Act is anything but what its name alludes to - there is always more to the story.
Bill O'Riley is a tool. Of the right, btw.
you shouldda let /. eds put this up as a poll! (Score:2)
Push Poll (Score:2)
Besides, I always figured the crowd watching O'Reilly were the people who watched talk shows during the daytime and then O'Reilly at night just to feel smarter while still getting inflamatory characters onscreen. The conservatives I know are much more boring than that
CNN Article Ending (Score:4, Interesting)
ROFL
Fantastic analysis by CNN on this one.
Maybe it's because most people who watch The Daily Show are the people laughing at all the poor interviewees being lambasted by clever editing. I enjoy the show thoroughly, but c'mon....sometimes they are just ridiculously mean-spirited.
The show has turned from a wonderful comedy half-hour hosted by Craig Kilborn ( I miss Thursday's Dance Dance Dance and the 5 questions) into a left-wing bombthrowing extravaganze. From Mess-o-potamia to Indecision 2004 (a.k.a Anybody But Bush-a-palooza) -- John Stewart is now hosting a show that is merely appealing to the leftist youth of the East and West coasts.
I watch the show every day as I am one of said youths.
Thank heavens I'm open-minded enough to see through John Stewart and Stephen Colbert's biased 'coverage.'
I love comedy when it's funny, not angry.
Re:CNN Article Ending (Score:2)
I can guess from the on set interviews that Stewart is a liberal, but I have to say he and the writers do a good job of keeping the ripping "fair and balanced" (tm)...not to mention damn funny. The Republicans get a bit more coverage simply because they're in charge...that's the way it always works with poli
time-warp (Score:2)
Wow, do the Lettermen still perform shows?
http://www.grabow.biz/Nostalgia/Lettermen
The Daily Show: Fair and Balanced? (Score:2)
Re:The Daily Show: Fair and Balanced? (Score:3, Informative)
I don't see where you get this. On every show he makes fun of Kerry. While the Daily Show is anything but right-leaning, they have more high-powered right wing figures as guests than they do the left on average, and they routinely promote the impression that Kerry is a monotone, one-dimensional person that's incapable of inspiring people - the idea of which might
Funniest Daily Show Moment (Score:4, Interesting)
That's what happens when you try to pawn off bullshit platitudes on an informed audience. They laugh at you. Unfortunately all of America is not so well-informed.
This just in.... (Score:3, Funny)
"Of the Daily Show viewers polled, only those with enough drive and ambition took the quiz (and did well). The "pot smoking slackers" on the other hand, were up and rattled for a few seconds, then took another hit from the bong and forgot about this nonsense all together."
Of course I'm joking...
Re:FOX not CNN (Score:2)
Re:FOX not CNN (Score:2)
Re:O'Reilly (Score:4, Informative)
Re:O'Reilly (Score:3, Insightful)
Come on, Outfoxed was horrible! Give me $
Re:O'Reilly (Score:2)
I'm glad you've actually looked into the "shut up" issue.
It's a sad day when a News *ANALYST* is being assaulted by the far-left for actually running an entertaining show. Bill O'Reilly may be a pompous, arrogant bully -- but he is an *entertaining* pompous, arrogant bully.
He frequently pokes fun at himself.
He frequently gives the last word to the left-wingers he has on.
He frequently reads viewer mail that is unfavorable to The Factor.
The man is just a good host; like him or not, he's p
Re:O'Reilly (Score:5, Insightful)
It's very clear that John Steward and co. are fairly far left, anti-Bush. That doesn't stop him from bashing Kerry now and then however. Likewise, Bill mostly toes the Bush line, but not always. The real truth is somewhere in the middle.
I will say that the Daily Show, being comedy oriented does not need to be (and clearly isn't) fair to either side. They frequently take quotes out of context because they are funny - but that doesn't give the person watching the full story. If you are using the Daily Show as your main source of news you are not getting a true picture of what is going on in the world.
I believe O'Reilly tries to be fair, and most of the time he is spot on, but occasionally it's pretty obvious he is pushing his own adgenda without regard to reason or truth - occasionally going on rants that make me skip forward (tivo).
It's hard to get the real facts, and the full truth out of the media in general. We don't (for example) hear anything about the good things going on in Iraq. All we hear about is the bombings, kidnappings, etc. The negative stuff.
Re:O'Reilly (Score:2)
That Glick kid was a nut.
I saw that interview when it debuted on the factor.
He was a disgrace to his father's memory and ought to be ashamed of himself.
Bill O'Reilly was totally right for going off on him.
Glick deserved a good scolding.
Re:O'Reilly (Score:2)
You ought to consider getting a new hero:
"But the picture that emerges of O'Reilly from talking to former colleagues at WFAA is very different. They accuse him of lifting stories from the newspaper and undermining newsroom colleagues. 'In a business where there are a lot of reprehensible people,' says longtime WFAA reporter Byron Harris, 'he stood out as particularly dishonest, obnoxious, self-centered.'"
Re:O'Reilly (Score:2)
The Rolling Stone piece starts out disliking him...read the first half of the article and tell me they aren't out to get him. Even the quote you give is prefaced by him saying "I made every possible political mistake." You think people at that station would have liked him?
Again, you can dislike him or hi
Truth is unbalanced. (Score:2)
Three words: PARIS BUSINESS REVIEW (Score:5, Insightful)
He manufactured the "Paris Business Review" magazine, out of thin air, to support his OTHER lie about this "French Boycott" that cost over $10billion in trade to France.
So, not only was the trade quote a lie, he backed it up by manufacturing the reference material. There is no "Paris Business Review".
This is his game. Like Coulter, they give references, but they all end up being bogus. They are there for petty-intellectuals, like you, who trust in references, and make other people check facts for you.
Re:O'Reilly (Score:3, Informative)
Re:O'Reilly (Score:5, Informative)
He said this before the war, and after combat operations ended and the WMD caches kept not pouring in, he started spinning to give himself breathing room. At first he said "in the next few weeks," then continually extended the deadline. Finally, in another interview in February 2004, he gave a half-hearted apology, but still shows no signs of distrust of the Bush administration. [source [rotten.com]]
O'Reilly lied when he said he was a political independent. This is another one documented in Franken's book. His own voter registration shows himself registered as a Republican, and he's donated thousands to Republican causes, none to Democratic ones.
O'Reilly lies when he calls his show "The No-Spin Zone." This lie is so manifest, it's hardly worth taking time to document it.
Re:O'Reilly (Score:3, Informative)
And as you mentioned, he apologized. I'm not sure how you want him to express distrust, but he doesn't give the president a pass on anything. Watch his interview with him tonight, he questioned the president on the WMDs. He questioned him on his service record, the Swift Boat Vets, etc. He's not going to burn GW's picture on national television, but will he "trust" him again as he did at first? Neither you nor I can say that, we can just judge him in the fu
Re:O'Reilly (Score:3, Interesting)
"And as you mentioned, he apologized. I'm not sure how you want him to express distrust, but he doesn't give the president a pass on anything."
Read his editorial on the interview, found here [nydailynews.com]. The man sounds like a walking hard-on for George W Bush. My favorite quote out of the whole thing:
"For example, I am known for confrontational interviews, but you simply cannot tell a sitting President that you, the interviewer, k
Re:cable... (Score:2)
Yeah, and it's too bad that ComedyCentral.com has such screwed-up HTML that on a wide range of systems and browsers, you can't watch most of the videos.
For example, my Mac PowerBook now has 8 browsers installed, and none of them is successful at showing more that 5% to 10% of their video clips. My linux box has 5 browsers, and about the same rate of success. We even have a Windows box in our house, so I can test to see if it's another example of a web site that's
Re:cable... (Score:2)