The 2005 Wired Rave Awards 151
smack-pot writes "March 2005 issue of Wired Magazine features The 2005 Wired Rave Awards announcements. The 15 categories include Films, Business, Science, Architecture, Medicine, Games etc. Some of the winners are Brad Bird for The Incredibles, Danger Mouse for The Grey Album, Burt Rutan for SpaceShipOne, and Pete Parsons for Halo 2."
Rave Awards? (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, not that sort of rave?
"Best use of glow sticks" award goes too . . . (Score:2, Funny)
Jon Stewart (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:1, Interesting)
Jon Stewart is NOT brutally honest about politics. He would be funnier if he made fun of all sides equally, but he is definitely biased towards the left and has admitted as much.
The show is still hilarious, but only people that are biased towards the left think that Jon Stewart is brutally honest, politically...
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:1)
But if Kerry had won, you can be sure Stewart would be tearing him apart as well.
He's even said as much if you've ever seen the amazing appearance of Stewart on that political talk show with the bowtie guy(CNN I think?)
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:1)
Hahaha... good one. Gee, might you be biased also?
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Re:Jon Stewart (Score:2)
* He would be funnier if he made fun of all sides equally, but he is definitely biased towards the left and has admitted as much
Do these two statements necessarily contradict each other?
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:5, Insightful)
Explain to me how admitting to being biased makes him less honest politically? I'm really trying to make that work but it just doesn't wash. Not being "brutally honest about politics" would be him not admitting his bias. I've watched a lot of his show and he has never hidden his bias nor has he pretended to not be biased, like many cammentators/journalists/pundits who are biased towards the right.
I don't know what word you want, but I don't think "honest" is it.
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:2)
I think he's just following the party line and accusing "liberal media" of being "biased" and "dishonest".
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Because his show routinely presents the right-wing in a bad light, and does not do as much on the crap from the left-wing. When he has left/right guests on, he routinely softballs the lefties, and asks pointed questions (well, for a daily show interview) of the right wingers.
Yes, he presents the "fake news," but it would be funnier if it wasn't tainted with bias. The
That guy, Jesus. (Score:2)
One comment only: Doh!
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:1)
It is an adversarial stance, but they are still having fun, ad since people won't take it seriously they can have more freedom. I have never seen him cause anybody to lose their compasure, and he always has fun with them.
The reason I say this seams planned is that the guests always seem happy to answer and even happy the question was asked. Also there are ple
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:2)
Jon Stewart is NOT brutally honest about politics. He would be funnier if he made fun of all sides equally, but he is definitely biased towards the left and has admitted as much.
You think he'd be MORE honest if he PRETENDED not to favour the left? If he acted in a way that hid his true feelings?
He'd be more honest if he'd lie?
War is peace. Freedom is slavery?
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:2)
When I said honest about politics, what I meant was he needs to treat both sides equally.
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:2)
Crybaby.
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now, that said, last nights episode with christina ricci was fantastic. he called her "retarded" to her face and she didnt even notice.
anyway - you can still seet that he isnt lifting the veil, only peeking under one corner.
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Exhibit 2: Danger Mouse
WTF? The guy is the DJ equivalent of a Score: 1 Slashdot comment in an RIAA rantfest and he's the future of music? Jimmy Buffett's 82nd album was a bigger step forward for music in 2004.
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm guessing you haven't actually heard the Grey Album, or if you have you didn't like it for valid subjective reasons.
But objectively, the album is a significant accomplishment. Not only is it the latest in a line of legitimate and coherent works of art built entirely on borrowed source materials, but it also brought an entire sub-genre of hip-hop -- eg, mash-up -- into mainstream conscio
Grey (Score:1)
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:2)
I'd say it succeeded quite well based on that. That, and the fact that its about ten times as good
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:2)
I feel that he instead garnered a great deal of attention for being the underdog in a legal contest about the rights to the music. Regardless of the quality he was going to be gl
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:2, Funny)
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Re:Jon Stewart (Score:3, Insightful)
Uhh... yeah.
It's a good thing Swift and Voltaire were neither honest nor intelligent, then.
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:2)
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:3, Informative)
Jon Stewart is the host of a satyrical news show called 'the Daily Show' that plays on comedy central. some clips can be viewed on thier greatest moments webpage [comedycentral.com]
he also gained some fame as a guest on 'Crossfire' were he tore the pants off of and humiliated co-host Tucker Carlson [ifilm.com]
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Re:Jon Stewart (Score:4, Insightful)
I think he thought he tore Jon a new one.
I think he thought that this "comedian" was out of his league on a real hard-hitting news show.
At the end Jon just bites his tongue. It's like letting a child think they've beaten you because it would do no good to tell them otherwise.
Re:Jon Stewart (Score:4, Insightful)
rj
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Re:Jon Stewart (Score:4, Interesting)
Jon was dead-on-right questioning WHY that dork was trying to compare Daily Show to a legitimate news channel's programming.
Jon's attitude at the end of the interview was really just shock. He, like many people, realize that there's NO ARGUING with pedantic rhetoric dicks in bowties. It's like trying to argue there is no God with a person of faith. In fact, it's just like that. What can you do when the host won't even respond to simple, irrefutable logic, like "explain how BS talk shows like this HELP public discourse in America"?
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Action Animation Movies? (Score:3, Informative)
(resisting the joke about rendering Alex Trebek) I think anyone who says that is nuts, as nuts as the producers who need star-power to keep them warm at night. Bird just did the job right. There were some pretty insightful comments back in the Discworld movie topic, regarding writing a movie you can make. I become more a cynic when I read people's opinions that such and such can't be done. It's an illusion, dumbasses. Bird's gifted enough to take the intelligent approach. To see the wrong approach taken again, watch Tom Cruise in Spielberg's WoW. Or see a class act, the Pendragon version late March. Bug your theater to carry it! Hopefully it'll live up to expectations and make Wired's list next year.
Re:Action Animation Movies? (Score:2, Insightful)
Atleast wait to see it before you do.
I'm very happy for Brad Bird, I really don't think The Iron Giant got as much recognition as it should have. It's definately one of the better efforts put forth from an American Animation studio in a very long time.
Two Things... (Score:1)
Atleast wait to see it before you do.
1) I'll bash it anyway, as it's about the martians, about the firey orange explosions, the goodlooking actor and his disfunctional movie family brought together very formulaically by the upheaval, etc. It'll probably be lots of eye-candy CGI, but that's probably where my enjoyment of it will end.
2) From an early age it was always a dream, if I won a fat lottery pot I'd do a film true t
Re:Two Things... (Score:2)
wow (Score:4, Interesting)
I for one, welcome...
"Mark Fletcher for making bloglines the Internet's news network (RSS Reader)"
Neat, now more people can autocreate blogs targeted for adsense...
"Robert Lanza -for eye-opening work on embryonic stem cells"
See your future, it's right here
"Steven Squyres for keeping Spirit and Opportunity roving"
Where is the rest of Nasa on this one??? But that's humanity, always picking up one who holds the stick
The rest... boring, BTW there are also bunch of research in DNA, materials, and compsci which are changing the world arroung us constantly, why not mentioning anything of those fields?
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Pete Parsons? (Score:1)
As a longtime Bungie fan, my understanding is that Jason Jones is the man behind the curtain.
grey album (Score:5, Informative)
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Yeah, but "The Black Album" sucks and I hate the Beatles, yet "The Grey Album" is at the top of my most-played list. In other words, it is greater to (or at least different from) the sum of its parts.
Dangermouse doesn't deserve jack for doin' something that could easily be replicated with a computer and some wavs.
Okey dokey, you're obviously one of those people who goes to the museum and says, "I could have done
Re:grey album (Score:4, Interesting)
All three of these have contributed orders of magnitude more than this guy.
Remix record using beats from the Beatles. How quaint.
Skinny Puppy is the most sampling band ever (actually I believe they were surpassed by the other two I mentioned), front line assembly being extremely deft at it.
and this was in the late 80's and early 90's.
I love how all these genre's and youngins attempt to take credit now for doing things that Industrial pioneered 15+ years ago....
Re:grey album (Score:2)
Smoothbrain.
suspect statement (Score:5, Interesting)
umm..anime?
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While I'm posting, is it me or is The Incredibles incredibly overrated, compared to Shrek 1/2 and Toy Story 1/2?
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The incredibles was touching, often hilarious, ALWAYS mindblowing. Also, I'd hardly call him easily amused... obviously HE was watching the movie with his brain turned on, as evidenced by the many things made-fans walked away appreciating.
Re:suspect statement (Score:1)
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It's you.
The Incredibles was an amazing movie, while the other four films you mentioned were merely darn good cartoons.
Speaking of Animated action, the combat and flight sequences in "Last Exile" are second to none, IMHO.
Re:suspect statement (Score:3, Insightful)
I've always maintained that Shrek doesn't even rate as a fine example of what animation is capable of, when 99% of the gags won't make sense to anyone in 5 years time.
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That reputation is changing of course, but it's still seen as fairly marginal.
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It's too bad, because the fact that it's "nonconvetional" is the best thing about it.
There will probably never be a TV show in the US quite like "Haibane Renmei."
"Azumanga Diaoh" is the best comic fiction about kids since "Peanuts" was in its prime, with the possible exception of "Calvin & Hobbes."
"Last Exile" is exactly what Lucas probably wishes his Prequel trilog
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Also, they suffer from goofy, cliched characters, but I guess that's a cultural foible - kind of like the cringe-inducing "humour".
Re:suspect statement (Score:1)
You won't find these all in 99% of anime, and not all in the same movie at once.
Re:suspect statement (Score:2, Interesting)
The appeal of anime is a direct result of the fact that it's cheap to make. The low cost means it is a low-risk investment, which means that an Anime creator has far fewer studio pressures than somebody making a US movie or TV show.
Like I said in another comment, "Haibane Renmei" could never be made for US television. Not because there's nobody writing for TV who's as smart as ABe, but because no TV writer or director has the power to realize a vision
Yeah, what about it? (Score:2)
A few masterpieces worth watching, that in general, funnily enough, are not action histories.
winners (Score:4, Informative)
Film: Brad Bird [wired.com] : Business: Shigeyuki Hori [wired.com]
Science: Steven Squyres [wired.com] : Medicine: Robert Lanza [wired.com]
Architecture: Rem Koolhaas [wired.com] : Music: Danger Mouse [wired.com]
Television: Blair Harrison [wired.com] : Blogs: Kevin Sites [wired.com]
Books: Jeff Hawkins [wired.com] : Industrial Design: Burt Rutan [wired.com]
Technology: Mark Fletcher [wired.com] : Art: Jennifer Kevin Mccoy [wired.com]
Games: Pete Parsons [wired.com]
But....... (Score:2)
Will it never end? Pretty soon were going to have slashdot stories, about the slashdot stories on Halo 2.
I await the flames, safe in the knowladge that I finished it on legendary and it still doesn't make my top ten. But maybe top 15? Geddit?
Re:But....... (Score:2)
My point was that Halo 2 was, and still is, overhyped. It's possibly the most hyped game ever, and I've been hearing hype for a long time.
I never said that the game was bad. It's a great game. But at the end of the day, its still just a game, and not the will of god made flesh as lot of people were making it out to be.
Overhyping on this level is a disservice to the
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Halo 2? (Score:1, Troll)
Unless they're just focusing on the financial success:
"Halo 2 made $125 million on its first day of release. By contrast, the biggest opening weekend in film history was Spider-Man, which netted a mere $114 million over three days."
Re:Halo 2? (Score:1)
Hey mods, the above posts is not a troll! (Score:1)
Re:Halo 2? (Score:1)
In fact, most of the games mentioned aren't all that revolutionary. I thought Half-Life 2 rocked but it wasn't this huge improvement on the genre. Nothing mentioned about Halo 2 sounded all that kickass-ish. They're simply the natural evolution of games of late: better graphics, better sound, better physics.
Out of all the nominees, Katamari Damacy sounds like the most unique game to be released lately. I haven't played it myself but the
Re:Halo 2? (Score:1)
"Halo 2 made $125 million on its first day of release. By contrast, the biggest opening weekend in film history was Spider-Man, which netted a mere $114 million over three days."
Of course that monetary comparison is valid, since we all know that movie tickets coast $50 each nowadays.
Also, along with all these other fine replies, I agree that the parent is not a troll and is, in fact, making a valid point.
Is Danger Mouse that important? (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course this is old as hip-hop itself. Dancehall exists on the idea of a riddim becoming popular itself and multiple deejays rap/sing over it. Now hip-hop, R&B and Reggeton artists get in on it. An example from '04: Pitbull "Culo", Mr Vegas "Pull Up", Nina Sky "Move Ya Body" and many others [unitysounds.com] all used the Coolie Dance Riddim.
The pop culture clash of using a very recognizable outer-genre instrumental (the "mash-up") got big in clubs two years ago (making this Wire award a bit like John Wayne's Oscar). A popular one was Whitney Houston ("I want to dance with somebody") over Kraftwerk ("Numbers") forming ala Voltron to Girls on Top's "I Want to Dance with some Numbers" [overstated.net]. Nigh unreleasable due to copyright considerations but interesting none the less.
Of course now MTV is in the Official Mash-up business by creating things that aren't Mash-ups at all (that Jay-Z and Linkin Park thing is, due to original parts by both artists, a collaboration).
I still think Chopped and Screwed [screweduprecords.com] is going to hit the mainstream consciousness soon as T.I.'s disc just got the treatment and it sold amazingly. And kids are chop n' screwing all sorts of tracks now. Many on laptops and then distributed into the public conscious via P2P (so Wired could give it an award and be a bit ahead the bellcurve). Of course this is a decade old style too.
Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (Score:2, Insightful)
Also, riddims only involve using the same beat with different lyrics. More originality is required to do this.
As far as mashing up is concerned, it's essentially (this may be a little off topic but I threw it in anyways so fuckit) the same as playing a song with a different instrument than it was originally
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That and the album itself is great, far better then the original Jay-Z album. I agree that there are be
Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (Score:2)
The motivation was part tepid reception to the beats on The Black Album but also to MF Doom rebuilding Nas' Nastrodomus (making Nastradoomus. Clever, eh?) and 9th Wonder redoing Nas' God's Son (God's Stepson). As Doom was big in the underground and the publicity of the Jay-Z/Nas feud, there was interest in the community to provide the counterpart to this Nas work.
Of course both of those were orig
+1 Dj Screw (Score:2)
Posts like this make me wish there was a music.slashdot.org
Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (Score:2)
But consider this: The Beatles didn't do anything new. (Well of course they did, later, but stick with me). They bit all these black american blues artists. All they did was popularize it. Same thing is (more) true of Elvis. So, do they not deserve their recognition? Maybe you'd say no, but I think they do. The important thing
Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (Score:2)
If someone injects a level of originality into it, I'll accept it as an artistic achievement. Now the quality can be up for dispute. Elvis was sometimes no better than a cover band and that this was hidden is a real shame. But that is a bit different since the mash-up is musical deconstructionism that wears its influences right o
Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (Score:1)
Totally disagree. Lennon & McCarntey owe at least as much to Rogers and Hammerstein as they do to Elmore James. Also, the close-harmony singing of their early albums certainly did not come from the blues. It came from their own local music.
Everything came from somewhere, but the Beatles at least built upon their influences to create things the world never heard before. Even their sound guys were doing things in radica
They did not popularize it. (Score:2)
Before them "black music" for lack of a better name was constrained by its explicity etnicity. The original idea was to realize that it was good music on its own right and that it deserved a wider, more diverse, audience.
Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (Score:2)
just one thing... Disney are doing their level best to suppress hosting of "A Night at the Hip Hopera"... [waxy.org]
So get hold of it while you can...
Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (Score:2)
Brilliant. Just Brilliant.
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Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? (Score:2)
Grand parent was correct, and you are a twat. A very, very dim-witted twat.
Reading over these Awards (Score:2, Insightful)
Penfold, shush! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Penfold, shush! (Score:2)
I hate stuff like this (Score:2, Insightful)
Hey, I'm honest, at least.
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Re:I hate stuff like this (Score:1)
That was pretty cool, I guess.
Bloglines (Score:2)
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