Enterprise Finale Airing Tonight 571
Tycoon Guy writes "Be sure to tune in to UPN tonight, where they're going to show the 'true finale' of Enterprise with the episode Terra Prime, followed by the post-season coda, These Are The Voyages. The latter will feature appearances by Troi, Riker, and a completely CGI Enterprise-D."
Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterprise (Score:4, Insightful)
This will be the first time in almost two decades that a first-run Star Trek hasn't been on TV...the end of an era. Here's hoping that the Star Trek franchise can be revived at some point, even better.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:5, Funny)
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It was Sisko by a long shot. He wasn't afraid to disipline people that needed it.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:2, Insightful)
Between Kirk and Picard: Kirk, obviously.
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Picard: Accomplished Shakesprean Actor
Sisko: Threatened, or performed, violent action on omnipotent superdimensional beings regularly.
Winner: Sisko, because he clangs when he walks.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:3, Informative)
In the Navy, from which ST borrows its rank structure, Captain is both a title and a rank.
Captain, the rank, is equal to Colonel in the other services, and often has responsibility over thousands of sailors/employees. The Captain can be in charge of a base, a ship, or any unit of sufficient size to justify a manager/leader of that level.
Captain, the title, is reserved for the commander of a vessel, independent of rank. A small craft
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:4, Insightful)
Sisko punching Q upside the head was the highlight of Season One!
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:2)
"I may hold the rank of Captain, but I ne'er wanted ta be anything but an engineer"
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Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:2)
Except when hes on the Defiant....
Of course the Defiant was just an attempt to keep up with Babylon 5 and their White Stars.
Of course in the same vien Captain Sheridan blows ANY Star Trek captain out of the water.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:3, Insightful)
Ranking the captains by their displayed ability:
Sheridan > Sisko > Sinclair > Picard > Kirk
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Denny Crane.
Nansy Pansy.
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Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:5, Funny)
And another thing, Troi sure was hot, but God, I hated the way she abused Worf. "A Klingon does NOT [do X]!" "Well, I'm not a Klingon, but I know I would feel [feeling Y] if I were confronted with [situation Z] [and I think you damn well better change your behavior and act more like me by doing X even though I'm not a Klingon, or I will make a recommendation to Capt. Picard to include this "deficiency" in your officer's fitness report]." Which invariably concludes with Worf changing his behaviour to be more like a human-betazoid hybrid than the Klingon he is.
Sorry about that. Thanks for letting me vent my hyper-critical warp core.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:5, Funny)
Replace "Klingon" with "man", and "human-betazoid hybrid" with "woman" in the above statement, and you've got a stereotypical heterosexual relationship.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:2)
More important is who was the hottest eye candy female (of whatever species) crewmember?
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:5, Insightful)
IMHO Terry Ferrel is way hotter than Jeri Ryan. But then, I prefer exotic natural beauties over silicone-enhanced bleach-blonde barbie dolls.
Besides, Jeri Ryan is a prude. [cnn.com]
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:4, Funny)
Except that if you do her, you're also doing an old man.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:3, Funny)
That might not be so bad. She'd certainly know what a man likes...
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:3, Insightful)
I think Terry Farrel is cuter too, but calling Jeri a "prude" because she didn't want to screw her husband in a club where there were "cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling," [thesmokinggun.com] is a little unfair.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:3, Funny)
The Borg meant to augment her with silicon but accidentally used silicone.
That argument is universal (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm with you on that one. Back when I was a young infantry officer in the Army, the three other lieutenants in my company and I used to get together at our CO's house to watch the latest Next Generation episode.
We would get into blistering arguments about the leadership styles of Picard and Kirk. Two of the guys came down in favor of Kirk, and three of us (including our boss, the CO), though Picard was a better leader. We actually had extensive discussions about it, comparing their actions on various episodes to examples from the Army's leadership manuals, books we'd read about leadership, and our own real-world examples.
A few months after these regular Trek sessions started, we were deployed to a rather remote part of Somalia. The CO asked his wife to record and send episodes, even though being a light infantry company we deployed with no real luxury items. Sure enough, several weeks after arriving in Somalia, we received a tape with two episodes. By then a heavy engineer unit had colocated with us, and we were able to phinagle a couple of hours on their TV late one night between patrols.
Strange though it may sound, that night spent watching Trek with a generator humming loudly outside in the hot Somali air was one of the best cinematic experiences of my life.
Re:That argument is universal (Score:3, Interesting)
I'll take the bait (Score:3, Insightful)
You obviously haven't seen Army leadership manuals. Read FM 22-100 (the core Army leadership manual) and SH 21-76 (the Ranger Handbook), then we can talk rationally about this.
Innocent bystanders always get killed in war, and sometimes it's deliberate. Some armies inculcate a wanton disregard f
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:2)
You're all wrong.
The best captain, hands down, was Captain Pike .
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:5, Funny)
*BEEP*
*BEEP*
Obligatory Futurama quote: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:3, Insightful)
As for the series final of "enterpoop"?
Waiter? I'll take a pitcher of Pan galactic gargle blasters and a funnel..
and make that two lemons on the brick please...
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:5, Funny)
*sigh*
There'll never be a Slashdot: The Next Generation.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:5, Interesting)
Picard trys to go by the Prime Directive, even if it means misery for people on the planet. Kirk always violated it, because he put the good fortune of others ahead of a buerocratic/pollitical idea.
Picard always tries to get out of fighting, if possible, tries to reason with Klingons, etc. Kirk knows that he has an edge in fighting, and that Klingons, etc won't listen to reason anyway.
Picard always is concerned for the safety of his crew, and never has the engineer exceed safety regulations. Kirk knows that his engineer is smart enough to exceed safety regulations without endangering the crew.
Picard is a prude, doesn't have many girlfriends. Kirk has a woman on every planet, and apparently spread his seed across the galaxy.
Picard does not know how to fight, someone stronger than him can easily take him out. When faced with a genetically engineered madman with ten times his strength, Kirk evened the odds with a pipe.
Picard is bald, even in the future there is no cure for baldness. Kirk lost some hair, but was smart enough to join the hair club for men or wear a toupee.
Picard crashed his ship due to his mismanagement. Kirk set his ship to self destruct so the Klingons wouldn't get it, and it would take some Klingons out when it blew up.
Kirk gave his own life to save Picard and the universe. Picard couldn't even save himself from his own clone, without having one of his crew (Data) sacrifice his life, because Picard is too much of a wimp.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:3, Insightful)
In the interests of fairness, I must interject that Picard's characterization in Nemesis is extremely spotty. There's no real reason for him to behave as he does, nearly destroying the ship and killing his entire crew. The "action-hero" machismo gives way to resignation, with no attempt to stop the dea
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:5, Funny)
I see where you're coming from. But still, to make the set of Enterprise look less sophisticated than the Original Series would require them drawing on the walls with crayons or perhaps using vacuum tubes.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:3, Informative)
This last season has been very good. Manny Coto has been running it, not the Killer-B's. He has shown that he cares about original Trek. We've dealt with the nasty attitude of the Vulcans, the Klingon ridges, the initial steps of starting the Federation, dealing with Tellarite/Andorian/Vulcan hostility. Plus, of course, the killer "entire episode, including opening credits, i
TOS vs Enterprise electronics (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:4, Insightful)
btw, I never watched Enterprise, I was already tired of the Star Trek universe by then (a few episodes of STV did that for me) but I hear that some of the actresses were pretty hot.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:3, Interesting)
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For real action, my choice of Sci-Fi is Stargate SG-1. With the exception of Season 7, it doesn't suffer from that "let's sit in a room and push buttons" syndrome that Star Trek has had problems with since the origina
Production Dynasties (Score:2)
I'm of the opinion that one team can't sustain the lev
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:2)
[Mind plays tricks, coffee hits keyboard]
The parents post looked like an attempt to put his own words to the Enterprise theme song...
I've been a long time
...
devotee of ST:TNG.
I, like many others,
ne'er got involved with Enterprise.
And from what I hear, that's a shame,
as by all accounts
I've got faith!
OK, so it wasn't that funny.
Re:Fools, small chidren, and ships named Enterpris (Score:4, Informative)
I have one word for you...
bittorrent
You're welcome. Every ST series, every year, every episode is out there.
A shame (Score:4, Insightful)
Spoiler: "My work here is done" (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Spoiler: "My work here is done" (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Spoiler: "My work here is done" (Score:4, Funny)
Re:A shame (Score:3, Interesting)
I have yet to understand why anyone ever liked Quantum Leap - it was like an entire season of trek where every single episode was a holodeck piece.
Re:A shame (Score:4, Informative)
Sounds like a real winner (Score:3, Funny)
Who's the creative genium behind that one?
Re:Sounds like a real winner (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Sounds like a real winner (Score:4, Insightful)
>
> Who's the creative genium behind that one?
Data: The creative "genium", as you put it, appears to be the source of the problem.
Troi: Yes, Data. And I'm getting a senation of bad scriptwriting and an utter lack of focus, Captain.
Picard: Worf, target all weapons on the temporal rift and fire!
Riker: Berman and Braga will finally get thier just desserts.
Worf: I couldn't agree more. Firing.
Wesley: I'm not touching this thread with a ten-foot warp nacelle. If our weapons can hit them the 20th century, Paramount's lawyers can damn well hit us.
Re:Sounds like a real winner (Score:2)
Senation?
O.K., Now we've got the names, Captain Genium of the Starship Senation. That's half a pilot right there, right? We can still pull Star Trek out of its slump, can't we? I mean 18 years and
I think I'll make an exception (Score:2)
Re:I think I'll make an exception (Score:2)
But you can bet the farm I'll still tivo thru that inane theme song.
Well I'm glad for one thing (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Well I'm glad for one thing (Score:2)
Tsk.
Re:Well I'm glad for one thing (Score:2)
-N
Re:Well I'm glad for one thing (Score:2)
Ah...that explains it. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ah...that explains it. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Ah...that explains it. (Score:4, Funny)
Maybe that's the only time their moms were available to drop them off at the theater to see the new Star Wars movie. :-P
Torrent already available! (Score:3, Funny)
+++
NO CARRIER
Re:Torrent already available! (Score:2)
Now slashdotters can turn their attention to.... (Score:2, Funny)
It isn't fair (Score:5, Funny)
Why do they have to cancel a fantastic show like this when there is so much drivel on television. This show was refreshing in its character depth and unique take on human colonization of space. I really enjoyed the sneak preview of the upcoming movie.
Huh? Enterprise? Meh. I thought we were talking about Firefly. HEY! Maybe the last episode will be a daring holodeck thriller featuring 19th century villians! I hope Whoopie has a guest appearance.
Re:It isn't fair (Score:2)
That reminds me i've only just got my Firefly DVD, i'm going to have to set aside an evening and go for a firefly marathon. *rubs hands with glee*
Rubs his hands with glee? (Score:3, Funny)
Please people, let the show die... (Score:3, Funny)
Truthfully, they killed the show - almost. Let it die in peace
The show sucked [userfriendly.org]Re:Please people, let the show die... (Score:2)
Until they can get some decent writers Star Trek should have a break..
The wooden acting, and terrible props didnt help either in the case of Enterprise.
Let me guess.... (Score:5, Funny)
Oh wait..that was the good show with Scott Bakula
Re:Let me guess.... (Score:2, Funny)
Nielsen agents will be present in all major cities to measure the collective volume level of the ensuing screams for ratings purposes.
Old, old post from May 2001 (Score:2)
I've had this on my wall at work for 4 years!
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12163&cid=229
Not quite (Score:3, Interesting)
"Some of the Enterprise cast members were very hurt that we would put Next Generation cast members on Enterprise."
They should have been more hurt that Braga and Company gave them such drek to perform in.
Maybe the next series or movie will be something actually *good*, instead of what ever rejected story line Paramount happened to have laying around the day someone said "Let's make a new Trek series!!!"
Saturday also... (Score:3, Informative)
While I'll agree that the writing could have been better for most episodes, the shifting program times of this and other shows without mention is what drives me to stop watching the shows I like. The fastest way to kill viewership (besides bad content) is unannounced show shedule changes. And, "we told TV Guide" excuses don't cut it.
I'm looking forward to these final episodes. While Enterprise has been a far cry from the quality of Battlestar Galactica, this last season has been better.
Re:Saturday also... (Score:2)
Re:Saturday also... (Score:3, Informative)
The Red Sox are in Seattle tonight, and the Yankees are in Oakland. Both games will air at 10PM tonight, so Enterprise should be on schedule tonight. That's what TVguide online is showing anyways.
Enterprise eventually learned (Score:5, Insightful)
Given the setting of this series, the logical place to start in the story was getting Earth established in the space of the era, meeting other species, forging alliances, making enemies, forming the beginnings of the Federation, etc. This is exactly what they've done this season and it's been brilliant. Had they started this way, the show would still be on the air.
But no, for the first two seasons we had Andy Griffith in space (yes it really was THAT boring), and then they had to trot out such over the top monstrosities as a war through time and huge insect aliens that wanted to annihilate earth. It didn't help that they broke continuity a lot with the other series (introducing the Borg, etc.). This is not the Trek that the fans came for and many of them left, never to return. Unfortunate but it reinforces one of the basic requirements of any fictional narrative that many people still don't grasp. If the story isn't compelling it won't be a success. Given the past success of Trek, you can't just slap the name on any piece of work and expect that alone to carry you.
Andy Griffith, boring? People still love the thing (Score:5, Interesting)
Brzt. Does Not Compute.
Andy Griffith's like a lot of other classic TV -- if you watch it now next to the latest crop of new sitcoms, you realize how well-written the thing was. Each episode's basically a little one-act play, and it's pretty tight writing. It's basically superior to Enterprise in the traits you're talking about, despite no story arc from episode to episode. That would explain why people still remember favorite episodes of Andy Griffith decades after its run ended, whereas Enterprise is dying of neglect despite a colossal built-in audience.
TV used to do so much better with character actors than it does now. The Mary Tyler Moore show wasn't episode after episode of "Mary goes on another date," you know? (Ted, Murray, Lou Grant, Sue Ellen, Rhoda, Phyllis, Georgette.)Heck, "Leave It to Beaver" looks like a friggin' Pulitzer Prize-winning play next to Voyager or Enterprise, and the cast of regulars was more interesting, despite them all being whitebread suburbanites.
Re:Andy Griffith, boring? People still love the th (Score:3, Insightful)
Classic TV and Sci-Fi are two very different genres. I just don't think Andy Griffith is a good model for a Sci-Fi show.
Except in Phoenix (Score:3, Interesting)
DOH! I spoke too soon - it'll be delayed two hours and aired at 9PM.
Wow, the season finale must be _important_ - usually they just go with Malcolm
at its usual 9PM and delay Enterprise until 2AM Saturday!
You never can tell when or if Enterprise will be on. No wonder it got poor ratings - we can't find it even if we try.
de rigueur (Score:5, Funny)
"It's dead, Jim."
Enterprise reached its stride too late (Score:3, Insightful)
I did see a few episodes involving a terrorist attack on Vulcan, and I liked what I saw. However, it wasn't compelling enough to pick it up and try to get into it. I liked the scene where they were playing basketball on the ship, it really connected "us" with "them".
I might check out the coda.
Re:Enterprise reached its stride too late (Score:2)
Don't Panic! (Score:2)
BTefnet appears to have broken. Now how am I going to watch it tomorrow morning?
I guess I'll chime in... (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's what I didn't like about it: There's all this really amazing stuff going on at Earth. Humans have just learned they're not alone. They've just received technology that basically makes economics impotent, as well as technology that allows them to spread throughout the galaxy.
What do they do? Go far, far away from Earth! Nobody cares about politics or other stuff. There's a species with three genders we've never heard of! There's a temporal cold war! How about making contact with the Romulans? Nobody wants to watch things about how people deal with life-changing events.
The last season has really picked up. The idea of Terra Prime is excellent. If they had run with this idea from the beginning, maybe they'd have a seven year run like TNG.
Obligatory: Berman and Braga killed it.
Ughhhh preempted by something (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Ughhhh preempted by something (Score:5, Funny)
See the two-hour premire episode of ST Deep Space 9. It explains this game.
CGI? (Score:3, Insightful)
At least with fan films.... (Score:3, Informative)
At least with fan films I can still get Star Trek:
New Voyages [newvoyages.com]
Star Trek Hidden Frontier [hiddenfrontier.org]
Starship Exeter [starshipexeter.com]
Tales of the Seventh Fleet [ussjustice.org]
Star Trek: Intrepid [ussintrepid.net]
USS Hathaway [usshathaway.com]
Audio:
Star Trek: Pioneers [pioneeraudio.tk]
Star Trek: The Section 31 Files [darkerprojects.com]
Re:Been long enough... (Score:2)
What is it with Star Trek fans and Star Wars?
Envy maybe? Smaller amounts of material and a huge fan base.
Re:Been long enough... (Score:2)
Works either way.
Re:It's been a good run (Score:2)
Google stats... (Score:2)
Re:Wow. (Score:2)
So it must be a sick compulsion.
Re:You're right. (Score:2)
Re:After it became Voyager... (Score:5, Insightful)
The Mirror universe was clever, but I wished they'd put as much energy into the rest of the series. It was a brilliant premise and they botched it from the start.
The right use of the mirror episode would have been to pull a Dallas [ultimatedallas.com] and just erase the entire series by admitting that all the preceding episodes were the mirror version. They could have a version of T'Pol enter and find herself horrified to see that there's a universe where she's just a sex object with emotions and pointy ears and not a regular crew member, a scientist, and a practicing emotionless vulcan. Then they wouldn't have to worry how they were going to link up all the temporal inconsistencies with the subsequent series either. We could have gone back with the good guys to our universe and lived happily ever after.What I liked about the original premise of the Enterprise series was the notion of putting some humor and adventure back into Star Trek. For as much as TNG was brilliant, it suffered in the end because it appears they had no more places where no man had gone before, and they turned inward to the mental. A lot of us think Space is about new starts, things that don't always work, a chance to rebuild and make up for past mistakes, etc. Here was a series where transporters didn't quite work, the universal translator wasn't debugged, people were not experienced diplomats, and there was a big chance of things going wrong, sometimes comedically and sometimes tragically.
It was to be a show about real adventure and uncertainty, showing how hard it was surviving in Space before the invention of the red shirt for expendible crewmen. Maybe with characters that came and went on shorter timelines than the whole series, if that's even possible in modern television qua business. My generation grew up with Star Trek to teach us about optimism and hope for the future. Those are things people needed to get the Space program going. But recently, we panic in real life when the space program loses even one life. That's not realistic. We need Star Trek to be brave enough to teach us that good lives will be lost, and that this is acceptable. I think we are losing that sense, and insisting on a completely planned experience both in real life and on the show.
Other than venue, the show has mostly just converged on the same old formula, made worse only by intensive pushes for a love story with T'Pol and the need to constantly be pushing to undress her, just as killed Lt. Yar's hope for being an equal. Yar's only really good episode was Yesterday's Enterprise, and it's probably not a coincidence that she had to be dead to do it. I grew up on the original series and loved its characters, but sad as it was, I really thought it a genius stroke to kill a main character in one of the movies (you know which one, but I'm trying not to spoil it). I thought "Yes! Finally we know they're playing for keeps. Now the uncertainty will be real..." This was to be a show about uncertainty, but it didn't deliver.
Re:Another Star Trek please (Score:5, Insightful)
Enterprise was always decent and in the last season, really good.
Most of the comments on Enterprise stories on
My personal opinion is that it wasn't the writers that killed Enterprise, but too many of the actual fans gave up on it too early. Come on-- TNG totally sucked when it first started, but picked up as it went on. DS-9 was the only series to really get off to a running start. Watch the first few episodes -- these guys knew their characters, and the writers in general knew where they were going.
-- John.
Re:Another Star Trek please (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Another Star Trek please (Score:3, Interesting)
The critical difference was that there hadn't been a Star Trek TV show since 1968, so the fans were far more willing to forgive the TNG cast and writers. Enterprise came something like thirteen or fourteen seasons into Star Trek series, and on the heals of the crap that was Voyager. Fans we
Re:Lame, lame, lame, and lame (Score:3, Insightful)
I agree it was terrible. An insult to the cast and the fans.
It was a crappy episode of STN:TNG.
It should have been about Enterprise and not about Riker.
To the cast: You did wonderful, you deserved better, and I and others will blot out this travesty and remember you for the good work you have done.
Cheers