Morse Coders Beat SMSers 483
dgnicholson writes "Jay Leno did a text off between two text messengers and two Morse coders. The Morse coders handily beat the young whippersnappers with time to spare. It might be a fun phone app to make a Morse code messenger, if you kept your headset in and had an external sender, could be interesting. Perhaps a Morse code Skype device."
no surprise... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:no surprise... (Score:2)
Re:no surprise... (Score:3, Interesting)
To be fair, the sending teen (the receiving teen needed no special skills beyond being able to read) had some sort of record at SMS sending speed or something. I seem to recall doing the math and finding that he sent at 30 wpm -- which is pretty impressive, considering! (Of course, the world record for morse code sending and receiving by humans is around 75 wpm.)
Though he also had the crappy cell phone keyboard (which was probably the point), and the sending ham had
Re:no surprise... (Score:2, Informative)
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The earlier contest, on which this one was based, was held in Australia, and was much more lopsided. The SMSer was a high school girl who did NOT have the world record, and the morse code guys were 90-year-old retired telegraphers. It's been a very long time since anybody got paid to send morse code.
Chip and Ken are amateur radio operators, K7JA and K6CTW. The tonight show
Re:no surprise... (Score:2)
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Re:no surprise... (Score:5, Funny)
Or what about get the guy holding the SMS device (phone) to type in a specially crafted 10 digit number allowing a two way audio connection between two devices.
Every person on the planet has a wife, sister or mother than can talk faster than 250+ WPM.
Re:no surprise... (Score:3, Insightful)
But anyway, the experiment was designed to entertain and maybe (hopefully!) to educate. Every teenage whippersnapper is out there sending text messages to their friends, but just like they are ignorant of things like who the third U.S. president was or when World War II happened, they are also ignorant about the hist
Re:no surprise... (Score:4, Funny)
To be fair, the compression algorithm for this transmission method only allow for two messages: or
Off, course, considering they are teens, they pretty much only use the cell phones for variations of message #2, so your point is still valid : )
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Re:no surprise... (Score:2)
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And that's exactly why the comparison is flawed. You should compare morse to speech, since they've got similar uses: direct person-to-person communication. Texting is delayed one-way communication used for wholly different purposes (though I admid I also occasionally have a conversation over SMS ;-)).
Why were we serious, again? :-P
Re:no surprise... (Score:2)
Spooky. That's exactly what one of the Morse code guys said about 80% of the way down this page [eham.net]. You must know as much about Morse as him!
(of course, if you actually are WA7VTD, please ignore my sarcasm...
It takes longer to read Morse code. (Score:2)
WTF is this?
The twat is sending morse code on a F*cking mobile.
FFS! I'm going to have to look this crap up on Google.
Got a converter. Lets see dot dot dash dot dash. Damnit missed the place.
(Phones Morse sender) FFS Bill can't you just send an SMS like normal people?
Nokia app lets you key SMSes in Morse Code (Score:5, Informative)
Re: Nokia app lets you key SMSes in Morse Code (Score:2)
Re:Bad app: Needs more than 1 button (Score:3, Insightful)
Well... A real morse code app would only rely on 1 button, wouldn't it?
One or two, actually. You can key Morse on a "straight key," which is one single key, or on a "Paddle" or set of "paddles" which is either one horizontal key that can be pushed left or right, or two keys arranged to behave as a single paddle. Pushing the key in one direction causes a string of properly timed dashes, pushing it the other way produces a stream of properly timed dots. This is the set up that was used by the ham opera
Nokia Morse Code App (Score:2)
We tried using morse code (Score:2, Funny)
Once he'd got the radios up and running with CW we let the users try it out. It all seemed fi
morse code over skype (Score:2)
and dash for dash
Re:morse code over skype (Score:3, Informative)
This (almost) mimics the way morse would actually sound.
Re:morse code over skype (Score:5, Interesting)
The greatest thing is, this program actually converts what you type to Morse code.
Re:morse code over skype (Score:2, Funny)
Writing such an app would be simple (Score:2)
Maybe I will... Some day... When I learn morse code... Or maybe I'll just have another beer instead. :-)
Re:Writing such an app would be simple (Score:2)
You don't really need to learn morse code to write such an application. You just need to have the conversion table handy when you make the application.
Your real challenges would be
1: Setting up the development environment and learningn the API. Should not be difficult, but takes some time.
2: Working out the timing for interpreting key presses as dots and dashes and seperating words. This is the real challenge.
Re:Writing such an app would be simple (Score:2)
When I replied, no such comments had appeared.
No, but I would have to know it to be able to use it. :-) At work I write code that I don't really use myself, so if you're willing to pay me, I'll do it. :-)
Well, yeah. (Score:5, Interesting)
Personally, I just don't understand the appeal of text messaging. Maybe that marks me as an old fogey (27), but I just don't need my tendonitis to get any worse, TYVM.
Re:Well, yeah. (Score:2, Interesting)
With text messaging I can get or send info no matter how noisy the environment is (try understanding spoken directions while standing on a str
I agree (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Well, yeah. (Score:4, Interesting)
Ironically, most SMS messages kick off morse code! (Score:3, Informative)
Oh the irony!
Re:Well, yeah. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Well, yeah. (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm 31, and only started using a cell phone at 29. SMS is incredibly useful because: (a) you don't disturb others in a public place, (b) you don't need to strain to hear the other person in a noisy place, (c) if your recipient is busy -- which, in some professions, is very often -- he/she can still see your message and respond later, (d) it costs almost nothing.
You see
Re:Well, yeah. (Score:2, Informative)
I beg to differ on this one, if anybody has ever been in a public place and the person sitting fourteen rows away receives an SMS, with an incredibly loud alert tone it is way more annoying than the crazy frog or even the person chatting as with sms they usually get one after another and another continually with the beep beep beeps of the incoming alert "CQ" morse tone (how fitting) on those horrid nokia phones by default - o
Re:Well, yeah. (Score:4, Insightful)
[Yes, Mr. Lameness Filter. I *know* that all caps is like YELLING. That's the friggin' point in this case. s/Lameness/Lame/)
D-d-d-dupe! (Score:2)
Here's [slashdot.org] the original submission.
As to the Skype idea, I have no clue how the blogger came up with the idea that Morse with Skype would be any use whatsoever. The point of Skype is to provide a VoIP application that anyone can use.
Re:D-d-d-dupe! (Score:3, Insightful)
Morse code isn't useful for it's speed, it's useful for it's transmission capabilities. You need only a very
Re:D-d-d-dupe! (Score:2)
Take that, best generation!
Re:D-d-d-dupe! (Score:2)
The "simple transmitter" is normally just sending a carrier wave at a fixed frequency. So you don't send "tones" as such. You just switch the transmitter on or off. Since the resulting bandwith is very narrow, the receiver can have a v
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What you seem to propose (?) is some kind of frequency modulation. This is more complex than the simple CW mode that morse code uses and seems to defeat the purpose of using morse code as you correctly described in yo
Re:D-d-d-dupe! (Score:2)
Morse Code keyers, whether straight keys, bugs, or the latest microprocessor-controlled widget, do nothing more than open or close a switch. Switch closed = transmitter on. Switch open = transmitter off. The transmitter can be anything from a battery (telegraph), to a signal lamp, to an RF oscillator (radiotelegraph), anything that can be turned on/off and detected at a distance.
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Dupe (Score:2)
"Again?"
Re:Dupe (Score:2)
Funny. Now go back to stuffing nuts in your mouth.
Nice, but... (Score:3, Funny)
is'nt this article a..... (Score:2)
slashDOT thinks morse code is ascii art and won't post it, so I had to spell dot and dash out...so on slashDOT morse code is slower...
"international" Morse code (Score:2)
I can understand that yes it wouldn't encapsulate all languages... but hey guys, it could at least try and encapsulate the Latin, Romantic and Germanic languages a tad better.
And something like would be very useful in Morse, as you could truncate the length of a question simply by indicating in advance that a statement was a question.
This is all irrel
Re:"international" Morse code (Score:2)
I've always found it amusing that the 'international' morse code alphabet (linked to in the parent) lacks äöåéíáóú.
It'd make perfect sense if you'd acknowledge that English is the international language.
Ridiculous (Score:2)
Pfft... Morse Code.... (Score:2)
Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Reason: Please use fewer 'junk' characters.
Not a true test. (Score:4, Interesting)
Secondly they used TAP method which is outdated and inefficient. Predictive text input is much faster. Also, the US is not the big SMS country. It hardly has GSM! More people still use outdated devices like pagers.
Thirdly they also tested the transport medium. An SMS may be relayed faster via different networks (sometimes immediate) and can be re-read if something was missed (unless ticker-tape is used). This is not fair, as for very long distance morse messages one can have intermediaries as well which would lengthen the process considerably.
Fourthly, most people cannot send morsecode while receiving it, thus also making asynchronous conversation slower. (And you cannot receive morse from multiple sources sil
I've recently been to Japan and had the rare privelege seeing a teenage school-girl on a Train sitting and texting on two phones at the same time! Beat that!
Re:Not a true test. (Score:3, Informative)
I'd hardly call 60 million GSM users "hardly having GSM". Not to mention that CDMA2000 also has SMS support.
Re:Not a true test. (Score:2)
Here we never had any other system than GSM, and EVERYONE texts. Every major cellphone company has several prime SMS packages. Some people don't even use their phones for voice!
I've been to the States... Blackberry devices and pagers are more prevalent than SMSers.
Sure that may change, but until they don't at least have kids whom ar
Re:Not a true test. (Score:2, Funny)
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Re:Not a true test. (Score:5, Insightful)
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So what? GSM is just one of a few phone standards, and analog-only cell phones are rare these days. The other digital networks (CDMA, TDMA, iDEN) all support SMS nationwide.
It's true that SMS isn't yet as popular in the United States as it is overseas, but that has more to do with pricing and tradition than technology.
Re:Not a true test. (Score:2)
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And if they, as you say, compared morse to multitap instead of T9 (predictive input) then the comparison is worse than useless. I would imagine that T9 and morse would be about equal. The bonus with T9 being that you don't have to work as a professional for 30+ years to get your speed up.
But it would be kind of neat to have a morse code "reader" in a phone which used
Re:Not a true test. (Score:2)
When I was a teenager, I had a buddy who was an Extra Class Ham; while i was struggling as a Technician class with only 5WPM, back then the Extra class required something like 40WPM, and IIRC this guy could send and receive at something like 50WPM. If you think about it, that's almost as fast as you can think about what you want to say, not that that would be an limitation for some Japanese teenage girl messaging her friends.
Re:Not a true test. (Score:2)
Well, first off, I didn't see that requirement anywhere. The SMS guy was introduced as the "fastest text messenger" in the country -- they didn't say what input method he used.
But, whatever. Having used both "predictive" text input on a cellphone, and CW transciever, I can tell you which one will win most of the time. The guys who are good at CW are almost zen-like in their ability to "speak" in Morse -- the
Re:Not a true test. (Score:2)
Imagine a fluent predictive text inputter...
An inacurate and biased example just to make my point is that a predictive text inputter can (on the Motorola) to write 'zoological' press 1665* (It will autocomplete the entire word on 'zool')
Also problems like 'me' and 'of' being both the 6-3 combo is solved by just adding a # at the end of one of the two to cycle through all the possibilities.
Cellphones are practically faster than keyboards!
Re:Not a true test. (Score:2)
Let me give you the story on this post... (Score:4, Funny)
This is called "making it up as you go along"
"Predictive text input is much faster."
Actually predictive text input is no faster. See? I can make stuff up too!
"Also, the US is not the big SMS country."
Uh...which matters because...uh... our champion SMS users are not as good as "their" champion SMS users? What? Huh?
"It hardly has GSM!"
Yes, because SMS over CDMA is so much slower. Because it doesn't use the dixie-helmann-thingy compression that ...uh... the morse code thingy uses.
"More people still use outdated devices like pagers."
Yes, which really hurts SMS texting rates!
"Thirdly they also tested the transport medium."
And this is important because our networks are slower than the Japanese networks because uh... the dixie-helman-mayonnaise compression that is umbiqitious...uh...pagers used... ummm... and why, we hardly have GSM!
"and can be re-read if something was missed"
Yes, because I might've missed something in that SMS message that said "CU L8R, LOL!!!!!"
"This is not fair, as for very long distance morse messages one can have intermediaries as well which would lengthen the process considerably."
Well, it might have been fairer but they didn't use the Dixie-Helman...thingy that morse code has for uh...non-English languages.
"thus also making asynchronous conversation slower"
Oh hell, just call the other person on the phone, and if they're not there, leave a message. My way is fastest of all.
"I've recently been to Japan and had the rare privelege seeing a teenage school-girl on a Train sitting and texting on two phones at the same time! Beat that!"
I was recently watching my daughter use AIM talking to 5 people at a time on AIM.
I win.
Oh. She was using that Dixie-Hellman-Mayonaisse thingy you keep whining about.
Java Morse Code Translator (Score:2, Informative)
Oh, and try setting the speed at 40 wpm before you start thinking it's easy!
Morse code spam (Score:2, Funny)
(why do these things always sound less funny once you press preview?)
Old news (Score:2)
Perhaps a Morse code Skype device. (Score:4, Funny)
Try it, if you don't believe me.
What a worthless test (Score:2)
You have to understand that those who still do morse code with any regularity are serious enthusiasts and/or ex professionals who did it for a living back when it was popular. Now you take people with this kind of training and put them against a couple of teen amatures, gee, I wonder why they'd be faster.
What does that have to do with anything?
One also has to consider th
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Re:What a worthless test (Score:2)
Perhaps a training program for T9/multitap is in order for mobile phones? Just like the old typist programs for computers.
Re:What a worthless test (Score:2)
Re:What a worthless test (Score:2)
I can enter whole sentence replies [which is all about what you're gonna send] in 20 seconds or so [not 160 chars like in the story... we're talking ~25-30 chars] which isn't that bad.
Tom
This is complementary not mutually exclusive (Score:2)
Reminds me of people who played counterstrike and bound their mouse keys to back and forward, and had keyboard keys for their firing. Default is fine for most, custom great for the übergamers. I never found out whether it was better, as I spent too much time respawning.
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... "DUJ" ??? (Score:2)
but, but, you maybe are using a diff. set :-)
Old News... (Score:2)
SMS's really suck. They are too damn annoying in public places where cellphones ring at random. This is probably the most annoying technology ever!!!
please... (Score:2)
unrelated:
T9 (Score:2)
Funny thing... (Score:2)
Not to mention, if morse code pick up as an input method for SMS that woul
Morse SMS input? (Score:2)
Speed isn't always the primary concern... (Score:5, Funny)
I don't have to remember any encoding rules.
Why I prefer phone calls over SMS:
I don't have to remember how to spell.
Why I prefer silence over phone calls:
I don't have to remember to be polite or feign interest.
Re:Dupe (Score:5, Insightful)
I come to slashdot not for late breaking, fresh news, but for the discussion that follows. Who really cares if a submission is a dupe? You are not forced to read it, just skip it and go on to the next one. People that feel the need to point out dupes are just as useless as the grammar/spelling nazis. If you really have nothing to add to the discussion and are just going to whine, why post at all?
Re:Dupe (Score:2)
(emphasis mine)
Some people say that about junk email too (replace "submission" with "email" and "dupe" with "spam") but there is rather a large industry working to combat such a thing because it's not seen as acceptable to "just skip it and go on to the next one".
If this was a free site with the ed
Re:Dupe (Score:2)
But the reason /. is supposed to have editors is to remove those fucking dupes/POS stories from the waiting line and only allow... you know... news... for nerds...
Nowadays it's more like Slashvertisements for nerds, dupes that matters, though
Re:incorporated functionality (Score:3, Interesting)
But what you may not know is that the really long Morse SMS tone on Nokia phones says "connecting people"
Re:What you say??? (Score:2, Interesting)
Rhetorical question. The answer, obviously, is that it is a pain in the ass to learn and gain any serious encoding/decoding speed.
It's a lot like typing (which most of us take for granted). Objectively, it is the fastest way to transcribe data. However, it requires quite a bit of practice to get up to a level fast enough to make it better and more useful than normal writing.
No, it's not the fastest way to send
Re:What you say??? (Score:2)
Re:What you say??? (Score:3, Insightful)
T9 OTOH scales well with ability of operator as the letters are written on the keys. If you forget how to do it just look at the keys and they will help you.
Re:What you say??? (Score:2)
Re:What you say??? (Score:2)
Re:What you say??? (Score:2)
Re:What you say??? (Score:5, Informative)
French is a Hindi. It just happens to use different words for most things.
An electric oven is a gas oven. It just happens to use electricity instead of gas.
Re:Flogging a dead horse (Score:2)
Re:Speed (Score:2)