Serenity Opens Today 488
joemite writes "As every Browncoat knows, Serenity, the motion picture based on the Firefly series opened today. For the uninitiated, Serenity is based on the short-lived Fox television show Firefly (created by Joss Whedon, [Buffy the Vampire Slayer]), which follows a group of outlaws in a unique space-western universe. While there are no aliens or temporal anomalies, the stage is set for our group of heros to out-wit and out-strategize the giant and evil Alliance. Go out and watch the movie this weekend and see why the Firefly series is an Amazon.com best seller." If you're on the fence, reviews available at SFGate, Wired, the Seattle Times, and IGN.
Rotten Tomatoes (Score:4, Informative)
Currently 83% fresh!
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Hmm. Well, first, I'd pay good money to see a trilogy of movies about the early adventures of Han Solo, so although your comment sounds dismissive, to me it sounds quite enticing.
Having said that, if you mixed Han Solo up with some precogs from Minority Report, and added a bit of Johnny Mnemonic, you'd have a more accurate summary. But even that's not quite right. It needs a bit more to put it in a box. Maybe some Gattaca -- the idea of a perfect society, outsiders living free but in sometimes less than ideal conditions, hmm. Add in some of that "space western" from early, early Star Trek, and maybe that's it.
I don't know, I feel like I'm not putting it in a box very cleanly. Someone else could do it better, I'm sure. What I do know is that it's selling the movie short to just say "Han Solo."
Re:Rotten Tomatoes (Score:3, Funny)
Yeah, me too.
That, and when he stuffed his own crew member out an airlock (during ascent) to incite a "come to Jesus" moment.
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Great movie with free market touches (Score:4, Insightful)
Serenity has great Free Market plot lines, just as Firefly did. My "beloved" LRC has some good insight here [lewrockwell.com] andhere [lewrockwell.com].
Even the theme song is freedom loving:
Take my love.
Take my land.
Take me where I cannot stand.
I don't care, I'm still free.
You can't take the sky from me.
Take me out
to the black.
Tell 'em I ain't comin' back.
Burn the land and boil the sea.
You can't take the sky from me.
Have no place
I can be
Since I found Serenity.
To bad Whedon's a socialist. Weird.
Maybe we can change that. I'm ready to pay Joss Whedon a nice annual subscription to have him bring Firefly back (web based video, high quality codec) to an online format. Fuck ox and Cable producers. Anyone know of a way to contact him about the idea?
FWIW the movie does feel TV-ish. I'd like to know what it was filmed on and edited on.
Re:Great movie with free market touches (Score:4, Informative)
Easy!! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Great movie with free market touches (Score:3, Funny)
askfox@foxinc.com
10201 West Pico Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90035
Phone: 310-369-3553
Fax: 310-369-8471
*e.g.: My message to them upon finishing watching Firefly for the 1st time: "I fucking hate you guys SO MUCH. Signed, someone who just discovered firefly." This is only because I couldn't figure out how to say "Baboon's ass" in Chinese.
Re:Great movie with free market touches (Score:3, Insightful)
Doesn't seem feasible to me.
Re:Great movie with free market touches (Score:3, Insightful)
Too bad you don't know what that means.
Re:Great movie with free market touches (Score:2, Funny)
I have it on good authority that in addition to not being a libertarian, Whedon is also not a teenage girl or vampire.
Re:Great movie with free market touches (Score:2)
To bad Whedon's a socialist. Weird.
well i dont know if thats true (never heard it before), but i believe the ideal socialist world would involve a non corrupt centralized authority (super computer or something). In this world, all basic needs are provided by the world govt. Everyone is free to do what they want with their lives without worrying about starving to death or being overcome by sickness or greed. The idea is that there are no rich/poor classes but just one cl
Re:Great movie with free market touches (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Great movie with free market touches (Score:5, Insightful)
You're describing authoritarians, not leftists/liberals. Some leftist beliefs are authoritarian (nuclear power limitations/regulations, environmental regulations, restrictions on tobacco advertising and use in public places, etc) and some are libertarian (gays have right to marry, less restrictions on most drugs, etc).
Likewise, some rightist/conservative beliefs are libertarian (market should be free of all regulations, tobacco should not be restricted, etc) while many are authoritarian (sexual practices should be regulated, gay couples should not have the same rights as heterosexual couples, use of drugs other than nicotine/caffeine/alcohol should be illegal, etc).
Re:Great movie with free market touches (Score:3, Insightful)
imo, anyone who capitalizes free market (get it? haha bad pun) and swings about the label of 'socialist' and assumes that this is anything less than an ambiguous emo
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Yay! (Score:2)
For the uninitiated (Score:5, Funny)
If you're that uninitiated, you'll need to know this-- Slashdot is a "Web Site" where we talk about geeky things.
Surely, if anyone on Slashdot hasn't heard of Serenity, it would cause a quantum singularity and we would all get sucked into a blackhole.
Not to get all Treky or anything.
Re:For the uninitiated (Score:2, Informative)
Re:For the uninitiated (Score:2)
Now I wonder how long it will take the movie to get here. No spoilers please!!
Re:For the uninitiated (Score:3, Funny)
Huh? What is this "Trek" you speak of?
Re:For the uninitiated (Score:2)
I don't own a television, and I have never had a need to own one. I have never heard of Firefly, and a lot of television shows you all take for granted, I might (if I'm lucky) be able to just recognize the names.
It's also very rare that I watch movies. *grin* The MPAA can't touch me, or my wallet.
Don't forget, some of us are so hooked on these odd beige boxes that those picture boxes might as well be shelves.
What does a noob need to know (Score:2)
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I saw it as a "noob"` (Score:5, Informative)
Firefly (Score:4, Interesting)
I left it alone because "another hit show from the writer of XYZ" is usually a steaming pile of bumpoo. This kind of hype is like a one hit wonder from the music charts trying to get his 2nd song sold.
I don't care who wrote it, I wanna know how good it is.
I'm currently half way through the dvd episodes and I'm hooked.
Why the hell didn't anyone tell me it was this good on its own merits?
Hope the movie is as good.
ps, even after my rant, how exactly do you hype a series about a rag tag group of cowboys flying around in a spaceship getting into scrapes? I've never been able to describe it to my friends properly.
Re:Firefly (Score:3, Funny)
I've never been able to come up with anything short or snappy to describe it either. The best I've been able to manage is "it's a bit like Han Solo getting his own TV show", but I'm not sure if that description does more harm than good when people realise Jewel Staite looks nothing like Chewbacca.
To be fair... (Score:3, Funny)
Which is too bad... (Score:3, Informative)
...because, from these pictures of Jewel Staite [sliceoftheday.com], it's not would I, but how often would I. Serenity indeed.
I can't blame this Mr. [Matt] Anderson [jewel-staite.com] for being so happy. I wish her and the hotness-stealing bastard^W^W^Wgentleman luck.
Re:Firefly (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Firefly (Score:3, Interesting)
The back story for several key mysteries in the series were explored and laid open, which was nice I guess. I have to say that the best thing for Firefly was to be canceled when it did. That's what drove the Fans, and myself, into a frenzy. The
This year in the movies (Score:3, Interesting)
The reason I say this is that what this summer proved is that movies now need more than pretty scenery and special effects to turn a profit in the box office. "Batman" had a deep story, and "War of the Worlds" was a remake of a classic. "Wedding Crashers" was hilarious. The movies that stunk, like "Stealth" and "The Island", didn't have anything more than special effects and good looking girls.
But "Cry_Wolf", a movie without any special effects, made it's money back 5-fold. It is possible that the same sort of thing will happen with Serenity. So if it does well, that may get us not only sequels, but movies with more plot and story and atmosphere, which would be great for us, as more sophisticated movie watchers.
Interesting opinions... (Score:3, Insightful)
But to get back on-topic, I'm totally looking forward to Serenity (loved the series on DVD, not on Fox), but I have to admit the trailers make it loo
Re:This year in the movies (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, I said the same thing the year both Clerks and Waterworld came out.
sigh...
my favourite quote from the tv show (Score:2)
Zoe: Big damn heroes, sir.
Re:my favourite quote from the tv show (Score:3, Interesting)
Jayne: You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with 'til you understand who's in ruttin' command here.
and
Mal: So did I call you back?
Wash: No, Mal, you didn't...
Zoe: I take full responsibility, sir.
Simon: Her decision probably saved your life.
Zoe: Won't happen again, sir.
Opens today? You are a little late. (Score:2)
No spoilers: It was fantastic!
-Chris
Ummmmm... (Score:2, Funny)
Obligatory (Score:2, Funny)
*ducks*
Good bye, karma. I barely knew you.
Phenomenal (Score:2)
My favorite review quote (Score:2)
-- Kyle Smith, NEW YORK POST
"Serenity" Review from Salon.com (Score:3, Interesting)
Both "Firefly" (which is available on DVD) and this new movie incarnation of it detail the adventures and tribulations of a loner-rebel named Malcolm Reynolds (Nathan Fillion) and the ragtag crew of his space vessel, Serenity. Their story unfolds in a future world -- the 26th century, to be exact -- in which humans have left an uninhabitable earth to populate a new-old, way-out-there solar system. More Sam Peckinpah than "Star Trek," this isn't a shiny, sleek vision of the future: For one thing, the various planets in this new world have been recently divided by a brutal civil war, and the winning side -- the Alliance -- is now trying to gather all the outlying hoi polloi planets under its rule. Many of these planets are hardscrabble frontiers whose citizens still ride horses, use old-time firearms, and even, occasionally, wear sunbonnets. The idea isn't just that civilization as we know it has largely disappeared, but that people have been so buffeted by hardship that they've had to start practically from scratch.
The "Firefly" episodes burn slowly at first, but their emotional heat intensifies as you learn to live, and breathe, with the show's characters. That's an ancient narrative strategy, and one that Whedon had clearly mastered with his earlier series, the magnificent "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and its less resonant but still deeply enjoyable spinoff, "Angel." But apparently, this newfangled mode of storytelling intimidated Fox executives. They pulled the plug on "Firefly" after airing only 10 of the 14 episodes Whedon and his cast had completed -- and broadcasting them out of sequence. "Firefly" was seen by almost no one when it aired, partly because even those who desperately wanted to watch it -- namely, the many fans Whedon had earned with his previous series -- couldn't even find it when they turned on their TVs at the appointed time: The episodes were shown in fits and starts, several of them having been preempted by the World Series.
That's probably the worst thing you could do to a Whedon show, considering that he builds his narratives with the dramatic precision of 19th century novels. They don't always grab you with the first episode -- they're not made that way. Whedon prefers to reel us in gently, first setting the scene and then, week by week, drawing us into a web of complex character relationships that become a kind of home for us. Fans of Whedon's shows are the modern-day equivalents of those readers who so long ago got hooked on Dickens, people who would wait on American docks for the next installments of his newspaper serials to arrive on these Godforsaken shores. (Dickens biographer Edgar Johnson recounts how "waiting crowds at a New York pier shouted to an incoming vessel, 'Is Little Nell dead?'")
That's how it should have worked with "Firefly." The show finally did find its audience when it was released on DVD in late 2003, and Whedon, who had never given up on the show and its extraordinarily well-matched cast, sought ways to spin its posthumous success into another project. And almost against all odds, a major movie studio, Universal, put its money (perhaps not a whole lot, but enough) on a show that had earned lots of love but not a whole lot of cash.
"Serenity" -- which Whedon wrote as well as directed -- is both a primer on "Firefly" and an extension of it, a picture carefully calibrated to satisfy fans without leaving newcomers stranded. Whedon sets up the back story neatly at the beginning, introducing all of his characters in a few fleet scenes. Their dialogue comes off as casual, but it's really tightly scripted, a compr
An excellent film and an excellent show. (Score:2, Interesting)
With that out of the way I figured I would comment on this constant Whedon people versus non-Whedon fans. If you don't like anything he has done and think he is a hack, fine. I don't really care. What troubles me is not people who dislike Whedon or don't think that this movie going experience can compare to a late 50's Goddard film. What troubles me is that it seems a lot of those who continually put down his work do
No it don't (Score:2)
Saw it this afternoon (Score:2)
They do a segment at the beginning to help flesh out the River/Simon Tam backstory. There's some set up to show what's happened to a few characters since the show ended, and an answer to at least one of the show's major questions.
About the venue. The Alamo Drafthouse is a chain of theaters started in Austin. They have a fu
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Saw it on Monday (Score:2, Interesting)
A Consolidation of Reviews (Score:3, Informative)
Second Time, again (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Second Time, again (Score:2, Informative)
Huh ? What about that time when she killed several guards inside Niska's station with her eyes closed ?
Re:Second Time, again (Score:4, Informative)
Huh ? What about that time when she killed several guards inside Niska's station with her eyes closed ?
Or when she tells Jayne "I can kill you with my mind" -- and neither he nor we know if she's kidding.
Right with you, except one thing... (Score:2)
Uh...so when they're busting in to save Mal from being tortured, and River whips out a gun and *while blindfolded* blows away a run of guards, that doesn't scream "ultimate killing machine"?
So at what point is the threshold between killing machine and "ultimate" killing machine anyway?
Blown away (Score:2)
Serenity and Existentialism (Score:2, Insightful)
Julian Sanchez, over at http://www.reason.com/ [reason.com] has an interesting article about the Camus and Sartre influence in Serenitty.
*Warning MEGA Spoilers*
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An excerpt: (full text behind this link. [reason.com])
Help out a traveling browncoat! (Score:2)
Group Gathereings (Score:2)
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Re:Group Gathereings: Vancouver BC (Score:4, Interesting)
What is quite remarkable is that even though Serenity has been pre-screened what, 100 times? since May, you don't see cam torrents floating around. The restraint of the fan base from leaking spoilers and cams says a lot about their loyalty. Contrast that with say, the Hulk or Revenge of the Sith.
Here's hoping for the sequels.
Re:Group Gathereings: Portland Oregon (Score:3, Informative)
10:30pm showing at Century Eastport 16 (4040 SE 82nd Ave - 503-775-0000)
They apparently also have a ""Big Damn Pre-show Dinner" at Grand Buffet 4410 SE 82nd Ave (503) 788-8000 7:30 pm - 10:00 pm."
what if I've never seen Firefly? (Score:2)
Non-Trek Sci-Fi for a change! (Score:2, Informative)
To vote with my $$ so that Hollywood suits can see that non-Trek SciFi can be suce$$full. My real motivation for this is Babylon5: The Memory of Shadows.
I am hoping that if Serenity can earn real money then perhaps TMoS will rise again.
I have tried watching Firefly, I don't like the whole cowboys in space angle. The entire technology needed to travel interstellar distances, should be 'good-enough' to produce laser-pistols, not 6-shooters!
Hauling cattle f
What's the deal? (Score:2, Interesting)
Am I alone here? I mean seriously, how much of the likin
Re:What's the deal? (Score:3, Interesting)
Unlike the above poster I only heard about the show from a couple of my friends. The were both discussing it pretty often after both bought the DVDs around the time they were released. I had never heard of it before and borrowed the set for a week. It surely didn't take much hype on their part for me to fall in love with the short-lived series. I'm not one to have a soft spot in my heart for scifi, even though I am a geek. I don't seek out sci fi like a lot of the
MPAA and reruns (Score:2)
I have no reason to see it. Of course I have only seen the first episode. It wasn't bad but nothing special either. I taped it's reruns on NBC to see it there. I just don't know if it will be in order. It's wasn't on SCI-FI.
Review: Great for fans, so-so for everyone else (Score:3, Insightful)
As a fan of the series, it's a great movie. Whedon did a great job of taking what I assume was several seasons of plot lines and collapsing them into a two hour movie. The result flowed well and didn't feel too rushed. I do suspect that spreading many of the developments over the course of many episodes would have made the important revelations all the more significant. As closure for the series, I'm very satisfied.
However, I'm pessimistic for people who haven't seen the series. Whedon does an admirable job providing a Cliff's Notes of the series. He even does so in a way that doesn't bug me as a fan; indeed several minor details that were never expounded upon in the series were cleared up. However much of power of the series was the attachment you formed to the characters. That's something that takes hours. You can't do it in a movie.
So I suspect the movie will do well in the short term as the fans flock to it, then it will quietly fade away. This will be the end of the series; it will remain with a cult fandom, but nothing more. (That said, I'm surprised at the positive reviews it's getting [rottentomatoes.com] from people I doubt are fans.)
Best non-spoiler review so far (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/25438/ [alternet.org]
Alliance == giant != evil (Score:4, Informative)
http://homepage.mac.com/merussell/iblog/B835531044 /C1592678312/E20050916182427/index.html [mac.com]
Section II, first question.
More of the same (not evil) later in the interview.-CZ
Re:Serenity RPG (Score:2)
Re:I like the clean look (Score:2)
The bridge of the Enterprise doesn't look like a spaceship, it reeks of "sound-stage". Or perhaps "multi-millionaire arcology".
Re:I like the clean look (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it made me spit coffee out of my nose when I read that, and I'm a die hard trekkie as well.
There's something to be said for how much more interesting drama you can get when all of the main characters don't share the same ideals, though. The only thing keeping them together is that they're misfits and have no place in a society who has some rules that they don't believe in.
Re:I like the clean look (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:I like the clean look (Score:3, Funny)
Also, an Art Deco Space Ship would be impossible to keep clean. All that Polycarbonate (like in the Tantive IV of StarW
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Actually, they don't. Wormholes however would take massive amounts of energy to hold open, and massive amounts of energy to enlarge from their planck lengths to a usable size.
Hyperspace is essentially travel through another set of dimensions than the 3 (+1 for time) we're used to. No violation of physics there, but we have no idea if there are more dimensions (although we do have good indicators). It's something we have very very little knowledge of; hyperspace is the farthest off of the three mentioned technologies, due to our massive lack of knowledge on the subject.
Warp drives are probably the least far off; they depend on warping space in front of you (compressing space-time) so that the journey through that space takes the same amount of time for the observer, but less for the rest of the universe...you travel the same distance, but because that 'distance' is smaller, when you get to your destination it turns out that you spent much less time traveling that distance. Or maybe you comprss space time to the rear, so that that space time ends up 'pushing' you forwards. Again, this is stuff we know little about (the actual geometry of space time, or rather how to influence it), mainly due to our lack of understanding of gravity (which somehow seems to tie in very much with rotation).
But anyway, neither of the technologies you mentioned violate known physics in any way. It's just that wormholes seem unpractical considering the energy requirements (although this might change when we get a better understanding of the structure of the universe), hyperspace is purely theoretical (idem ditto) and warp drive (ditto) which might be concievable when we detect our first gravitational wave.
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Re:I like the clean look (Score:3, Insightful)
Part of the point of Firefly that you miss in the pilot is that the captain and crew are fleeing the sterile, oppressive environment of Star Trek. In Firefly, the Federation/Alliance are the bad guys. The crew of Firefly want to live as they please. The life is crude and dirty, but t
Only 6? (Score:2)
Re:I like the clean look (Score:2, Flamebait)
Re:I like the clean look (Score:4, Insightful)
As for the clean look, after so many years of star trek, I find it boring. The Alliance in the show look very clean and proper. It makes an interesting contrast.
Re:I like the clean look (Score:2)
I will go see it, however.
Well, the main focus of the movie is on down and dirty people on the fringe, but the universe (and the movie) does contain clean, art-deco futuristic cities/spaceships.
Re:I like the clean look (Score:2)
MOD Parent Up (Score:2)
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Paid Advertisement (Score:2)
Re:about time... (Score:2)
Re:What exactly is it? (Score:2)
No, not really. It does have comedic moments, but it's no Red Dwarf. The humor tends to the ironic.
(Example, from an unaired episode of the series: scene opens with Mal (the captain) sitting alone on a rock in the middle of nowhere, buck naked. He sighs and says "Yep, that went well.")
Re:What exactly is it? (Score:2)
In fact, this weekend UK SciFi channel are having a marathon showing with Joss and the crew introducing the whole event. This probably isn't surprising as UK SciFi channel is owned by Universal Studios.
Re:What exactly is it? (Score:2)
While there are many comedy relief moments that will make you laugh, Firefly/Serenity is an intelligent drama with strong characters and an engaging plot wrapped in the scifi + action genre.
Once I started watching the DVDs, I couldn't stop. It even seemd slow at first but as the characters build and the plot progresses, it is absolutely intoxicating.
Serenity is an excellent introduction to the Firefly w
Re:That sounds like... (Score:2, Insightful)
W
Re:That sounds like... (Score:2)
Re:Freakin awesome (Score:3, Informative)
It's got all the quick moving fun that made the first StarWars films so enjoyable. It's got the trade make character dialogue and that fans of Buffy will love. It's great, and you'll love it.
Re:I know it's covered in the FAQ, but still... (Score:2)
So instead of boycotting what you don't like, maybe you could support what you do like?
Re:I know it's covered in the FAQ, but still... (Score:2)
Now, I am off to see the movie...
Re:I know it's covered in the FAQ, but still... (Score:2)
I have a decent CD and DVD collection, I just make sure to look at who published the disc before I spend money on it.
Ultimatley, I have my priorities. I feel that both my rights under the United States Constitution (particularly free speech and due process) and my control over my elected officials is more important than somebody else's livelihood. As such, my desire to not give Universal or Fox any money outweighs my desire to give some to Joss Whedon.
Re:Informed users? (Score:5, Informative)
Anyway, even if you didn't catch any of the TV show, I'd still recommend seeing the movie: it doesn't require that you have seen any of the TV show to follow the plot, and is an excellent movie. If you like it, pick up the TV show's DVD box set.