Is Your Office Haunted? 266
WormholeFiend writes "You know Halloween is around the corner when websites like Forbes.com releases a story wondering about the supernatural. From the article: 'Maybe the spirits have decided that spooky mansions and creepy battlefields are passé. Maybe they want to cash in on the glamour of corporate life. Maybe they just wanted the sushi.'" Anyone out there have any encounters with a spiritual Milton?
there is some good advice in article (Score:5, Funny)
The article didn't shed much light on paranormal experience nor did it even lead me to be much more curious. In my opinion it's mostly goofiness.
However, the article did contain a gem, and delivered as a parting word of wisdom:
Nicely put, and 'nuff said.
The mainstream media says nothing of value. (Score:5, Insightful)
They're just in it to put cash in their pockets.
Re:The mainstream media says nothing of value. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:there is some good advice in article (Score:2, Funny)
Re:there is some good advice in article (Score:2, Funny)
Is that the backup choice if the application as 7-11 clerk is turned down?
Yes it is! (Score:2, Interesting)
It has a built in motherboard, case fans, dvd burner, internet, wireless keyboard and mouse, the works. Pretty powerful for just being a pumpkin IMO... They even posted the instructions on how to build your own if you are so inclined Heh..
Re:Yes it is! (Score:2)
Timely case mod and sharp looking too!
The rest room (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The rest room (Score:2, Funny)
Re:The rest room (Score:2)
Re:The rest room (Score:2)
Re:The rest room (Score:2)
Ghosts ? Oh yeah. I have seen lots of them (Score:5, Funny)
I see dead people (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I see dead people (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I see dead people (Score:3, Funny)
I know this is a bit OT but one of my co-workers has a coffee cup with the slogan "I see dumb people". I have never had any problem believing that one.
Let's see... (Score:2)
Hmmm..... zombies... sinister whispers... The Boss That Wouldn't Die...
Seems there's a chance...
Office Halloween pranks gone wrong. (Score:2, Interesting)
At a firm I once worked at we had a jokestress named Maria. She was pretty good natured, and every Halloween she's pull some sort of a prank. Usually they were quite benign, such as a plastic skull in the coffee container, or some such.
However, one Halloween she decided to go a bit further than usual. She thought it would be entertaining to dress the photocopier up as a Hawaiian
Re:Office Halloween pranks gone wrong. (Score:2)
Re:Office Halloween pranks gone wrong. (Score:4, Interesting)
Of course I'm wondering why Maria was the only one dismissed....
Re:Office Halloween pranks gone wrong. (Score:2)
At a firm I once worked at we had a jokestress named Maria."
Let me guess, it was hard getting the toner out of your hair?
-/kidding
But that's sad that she was fired over a malfunctioning decoration in an attempt to boost morale. Hopefully there was a better reason than that for her dismissal.
My office? What about my house? (Score:4, Informative)
Happy halloween...
Greg
Amazon.com (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Amazon.com (Score:2)
Re:Amazon.com (Score:2)
Straight from Wikipedia: The primary constituents
Gas released mostly has a foul odor which mainly results from low molecular weight fatty acids such as butyric acid (rancid butter smell) and reduced sulfur compounds such as hydrogen sulfide (rotten egg smell) and carbonyl sulfide that are the result of protein breakdown.
Methane is the main component of regular natural gas. That's why there are hundreds of meter
Re:Amazon.com (Score:2)
Last week I took my girlfriend down to the Queen Mary docked in Long Beach, California. This ship is supposed to be haunted, but nobody can really tell these days since it's full of tourists all the time now. We both had an experience fairly similar to the one you described. When I boarded the ship, I detected a strong odor
Re:Amazon.com (Score:3, Interesting)
We spent some time at night wandering around the ship, looking for unlocked doors and just trying to explore as much as possible. Pretty cool girlfriend, I have to say. The big ballrooms are kind of spooky at night. Somewhere deep in the ship, I passed by what looked like some kin
Re:Amazon.com (Score:2)
Re:Amazon.com (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Amazon.com (Score:2)
probably just psychosis (Score:2)
A spectre is haunting my office desktop (Score:2, Troll)
All the powers of unix are pressed into struggle to exorcise this spectre: GNU and BSD; Apple and Linux; hackers and crackers; script kiddies and my grandmother who can't even use an aol client and wishes she could have her old typewriter back.
Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as open source by its opponents in Richmond?
It is high time that open source advocates openly publish their views and their aims and meet this nursery tale of open so
Office haunted? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Office haunted? (Score:2)
Oddly enough, that didn't work for me.
The haunting noises only went away after I set the windows sound scheme to "No Sounds"
But that still doesn't stop this loud beep that my computer makes every now and then. Creepy right?
Re:Office haunted? (Score:2)
Sounds like hell (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Sounds like hell (Score:2)
Shit I'd probably haunt the place too.
I used to work.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I used to work.. (Score:2, Interesting)
I was watching the Bravo channel last night, and they were running down the list of 100 best scary movie etc....there were some real gems in there that I need to go back and check out.
Back to the point of your post is that I normally don't get "freaked out" by movies...I'll occasionally get the jump kinda reaction , but never really the scared feeling until I was about 25 or so....now I can freak myself out if I just think about a certain fear for too long...
My biggest
Re:I used to work.. (Score:2)
There were 2 ghosts reported at my former job (Score:2)
Rumor has it that Crown Colony house is haunted with a little girl who choked on some chicken a few decades ago on the third floor. She can be seen towards halloween waving to guests and is occionsally reported by employees at other times of the year.
I asked about this from people who worked at the Crown Colony house and results were mixed. More likely rumors but one se
Re:There were 2 ghosts reported at my former job (Score:2)
Hope this clears things up! Sorry to cause any trouble!
No need to sue (Score:2)
We think it is. (Score:2, Interesting)
I have been working the night shift on and off for the past four years here and most of the time it just seems like a empty building.. But every once in a while you can look out the window of the computer room in to the hallway and see a shadow pass and no one here out there or even in the building..
I have walked down the hallway and had cold chills run up my back. The wost spot is when your in the bathroom and you can here doors out in the hallway open in shut
just a good old halloween story I got... (Score:5, Funny)
Alice,
I know you're gonna think I'm crazy but you're the only one I can think who would possibly listen to what I'm about to say without immediately dismissing it. Please, read my whole account of what happened to me tonight before writing me off.
I went into work last night for the graveyard shift. Yeah, graveyard shift on Halloween, haha. We'd just ramped up to 24/7 ops the previous week so this was going to be my first night alone in the SOC. I was pretty excited at first, since I wouldn't have any of these other knuckleheads in my hair while I was doing some hard core analysis, you know? I logged into my station, started some queries for deltas in the previous 24, and went to get some coffee, since it was going to be a long night.
Little did I know...
After returning to the SOC with my joe, Carol gave me the briefing on the days events (in a nutshell, nothing - apparently all the s'kiddies were gearing up for Trick or Treating and not harassing us). She did mention something that didn't show up in any of the reports though - a general "weirdness" to the traffic in the DMZ. She couldn't really qualify it, but she said she though something kind of odd was going on. Okay Carol, I'll keep my eyes open (as I roll them back into my head). She punched out and I was all alone.
Or was I?
I threw some tunes on WinAmp and started to rock out while pouring over the output of my earlier queries. My attempts at scripting up some rudimentary anomaly detection in our aggregation console appeared to be woefully inadequate or simply functioning properly with a dearth of anomalies when I saw it.
A new host in the DMZ.
A host which had apparently come up at midnight local, October 31st. Who the hell stands up a box in the DMZ at *midnight* on a Saturday night? It had to be the mouth-breathers in development relying on the assumption that no one would be monitoring the network over the weekend. Heh, nice try chumps, but you've just tweaked the wrong BOFH. To cover my bases, I looked up the latest network diagrams for the DMZ. Just as I thought, nothing authorized or even submitted regarding a new box in the DMZ. Finally, after months of slaving away over reports I was going to get to demand someone take a box down. I could feel the power coursing through my fingertips as I began to compose the flame to end all flames.
"Dear clownboats,"
I hesitated. What would they come back with? I needed more ammunition to stave off a possible counteroffensive. I decide to scan the box, to see how much risk these "developers" were actually exposing my DMZ to. A quick nmap returned results the likes of which I had not seen since my days at that dot bomb in Sunnyvale.
"Remote operating system guess: Linux 2.0.35-37"
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Two-oh? Was this some sort of prank? These guys are dullards to be sure, but no one is this stupid. It's gotta be some sort of security through ob-fu or something. I had to know. Telnetting quickly confirmed my worst fears.
Trying 10.31.10.31...
Connected to 10.31.10.31.
Escape character is '^]'.
Red Hat Linux release 5.2 (Apollo)
Kernel 2.0.36 on an i486
login:
I stared, dumfounded, at the prompt's ever-blinking cursor. I tried to wrap my head around what I was seeing. Red Hat FIVE DOT FSKING TWO? Even if this was a honeypot, this was ridiculous. What were they trying to do, find out which kiddie has the oldest sploits?
I did what any sane security professional would do in my situation.
I typed "root".
The box retorted with "Password:"
I reiterated, "root".
[root@zion root]#
A chill crept out of my keyboard and up my spine as I realized that
old VA hospital (Score:2)
One of the floors was apparently for
Perhaps I should go visit there... t
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yes it's huanted (Score:2)
One customer has a creepy building (Score:2)
'Haunting" experiences in the office (Score:5, Interesting)
Another night
Welp, now for the anti-climactic bit. Niether were ghosts. The outline of a figure I saw? Trick of the eye. That corner had some boxes and loose stuff piled up. Looking straight on at the pile, it didn't look anything remotely like my coworker. I think what happened was a trick of my peripheral vision. As most of you know, the outer areas of human eyes are keen on detecting motion more than they are with recognizing images. Can't claim to be an expert on the topic, but I think the human brain is constantly looking to recongize patterns, and when it finds one that seems to be relevent, it fills in the blanks. Hence, I saw my coworker. If anybody's curious, he's alive and well.
I suppose I could go into a little more detail about my theory here. There's a technique called 'EVP'. It's used to record the voices of ghosts. If you ever get bored one night, do a search for EVP and find some samples. It isn't definitive proof of the existance of ghosts, but at the very least it's a fun way to kill an evening. (usually there are stories attached to these sounds...) I visited a site once that had a number of EVP samples. Unfortunately, ghost speech isn't terribly easy to make out. Though it does sound human, it's barely more than garbled garbage. What they did was they presented a sound and said "first you listen to it and then try to work out what it's saying, then click on this link to see suggestions of what people think they've heard." The reason they do this is to prevent you from being 'suggested' into believing what you're hearing. After listening to a bit, I worked out why. The sound file downloaded and looped over and over again. I couldn't make it out. Then I read the first suggestion. Suddenly, I was hearing it! Neat! Then I read the second suggestion. And.. wait.. now I'm hearing that one. They were two very different sentences. As a matter of fact, I thought I could hear a different inflection in the words used by the 'ghost' that time around! It was the same sound looping over and over again, but now it was sounding different. Okay, I took the scenic route to this point, but I think what I was hearing was not the sound directly, but my perception of the sound. My brain thought it heard a particular sentence, so that's exactly what made it into my conscience mind. I think the sight of my coworker was a similar phenomenon.
And the figure across the street? Somebody with an odd sense of humor. It's a cardboard cutout. For whatever reason, they put it up against the window on the 3rd story of the building. The light was dim enough that it was very tough to make out, but the next day I was able to see it quite clearly. I mentioned seeing his eyes. It felt like they were following me almost. Again, trick of the eye.
I don't know what I think about ghosts. I can't say I firmly believe they exist, I can't say they don'
phantom typing (Score:2)
After a while he got up for a stretch, and when he walked around the office he noticed everybody else had gone home. When he went back to his desk he h
Portland courthouse (Score:3, Interesting)
The other thing is that this guy was a real veteran security guard who had worked there for many years, very level-headed and dependable. But that night he left the building and went home without even clocking out, then called in to say that he was quitting and never going back. He wouldn't even report to the building during the daytime to turn in his keys and other stuff. His supervisor had to go to his house and pick them up.
Hickam AFB (Score:3, Interesting)
Even if it isn't spooky it's certainly both sobering and historic.
"glamour of corporate life" (Score:2)
(Hint: look up the definitions of "corporate".)
Actually - YES! (Score:3, Interesting)
But everyone in town "knew" the house was haunted. I talked to several people who used to work there when it was a restaurant, and one of my friends actually lived in the upstairs part for several months. He told me that one night, he heard a loud crash from the kitchen area downstairs. He started to go down the stairs to investigate, and heard a series of identical smashing noises. When he got to the kitchen, a box of fluorescent bulbs had been opened and smashed all over the place. He said he sometimes heard strange noises and often felt uncomfortable there.
A former waitress told me that several times, she would set down a tray of dishes in one place, turn around, and then when she turned back it would be moved. The former owners told me all kinds of similar ghost stories. Every Halloween the local paper mentions the building as being the most haunted place in town.
One day, a van full of soldiers on leave from a nearby base pulled up. Apparently, they'd seen my office on some TV show about haunted houses, and had come to check it out. I gave 'em the full tour. One woman, as soon as she set foot upstairs, turned around and went outside to wait in the van. Freaked her out, I guess.
Now, geek that I am, I was always the last person to leave the building at night. And very often, I stayed until the wee hours, all alone in the building. And not a damn thing ever happened. No weird sounds, no smashing bulbs, absolutely nothing.
Although I had to admit... I didn't mind going into the scary old basement when I was alone at night, but going upstairs at night used to freak me out something fierce. Dunno why, it was beautiful and well-lit, but damn, it was just creepy. Daytime wasn't so bad, but at night - forget it.
One night, someone forgot to close a back door properly, and the alarm went off late at night. I showed up to deal with the cops. Since a door was open, they insisted on checking out the building. The cop knew the reputation of the building and was a little spooked himself. When we got upstairs he really got nervous - he told me that he just didn't like it up there. He couldn't believe that I'd work in such a spooky place late at night by myself. I'm like, you're a COP. Which of our jobs is more dangerous?
I like to think that we did such a good job restoring the house that the ghosts took off. Or maybe I scared the ghosts off. Who knows. I'm still a little disappointed, though, that nothing ever happened while I was there. I figured if there were strange things going on all the time, I'd set up a bunch of webcams and such... but nope.
Oh yeah, later, I found out that one of the previous owners had passed away in one of the upstairs bedrooms. On the other hand, the first owner died when he fell down the basement steps, and the basement, aside from just being a spooky old basement and crawling with spiders as big as your hand, wasn't nearly as ooky as the upstairs. So go figure.
Yes (Score:2)
Is my office haunted? (Score:2)
local hospital (Score:2)
It's an older building, one of the first hospitals in the area. It's now a nursing home (as already stated). It's got three wings: the main wing, south wing, and west wing, forming an L shape. The whole building (being a nursing home) has had the doors and windows wired to detect escapees.
The west wing is permanantly closed off. It's been like this for about 10
I don't know (Score:2)
Back when I was in my 20's, one of my research jobs was at Colo. States Anatomy Dept. Next to my lab was the human lab. At the time, the cadavers were stored in 2 portable cadaver coolers that had been used for body transportation from Viet Nam. That is each cooler had had some odd 20K bodies come through it (including several guys that I grew up with).
Not a big deal, but behind back, when I was at my desk, was a
No, no, it's just me guys! (Score:3, Funny)
Yes! (Score:3, Funny)
Swamp ghost (Score:3, Interesting)
This strange light was only know about by a few hunters in the area until around my high-school years. Then a small group of my friends and I found out and would visit the place a few times each year. The word spread and it became a bit of an attraction and even became part of an initiation ceremony for a fraternity at a nearby college. Several of our parents even saw it. This was all in the 90's. Since then the area has been logged and the road has been blocked off.
I personally saw the light several times. And I know about 2-dozen more that have seen it...kids, youths, adults, professionals, a youth pastor, etc. I am a mechanical engineer so I have studied physics and thermodynamics and have a pretty good grasp on the physical phenomena that might have caused this. I have also studies various "swamp light" phenomena. But I cannot find a plausible explanation for what I saw. I'm not saying that the light was supernatural but I am saying that it is very difficult to explain. For example, I have seen:
Seeing the light was one of the coolest experiences of my life. I hate that the area was destroyed by logging. Even on nights when we didn't see the light we could still scare the crap out of each other just because of the surroundings.
My Experience (Score:3, Interesting)
The library has three interconnecting rooms in a shared-use building, all charities. The old shelves were metal, and I went down one night to dismantle them. Just before I left, my wife told me that the place used to be a funeral parlour. Sure enough, one room had metal-lined walls, and there were two enormous metal-lined doors lying in a back corridor.
It was November, the raid was dripping all around, and the heating system was making very strange noises. Very spooky. The shelves were held together by square bolts, so I had to use an adjustable spanner. I soon got into the groove, and had an efficient system for dismantling the shelves. I'd work with the shelves upside down, and the metal shelves would form a tray that I'd keep my tools in.
So, it's night, spooky noises, dull lighting, no music, and my thoughts turn to the fact this used to be a funeral parlour. Then, I get a big suprise: the spanner, which was set to the correct size for the square nuts, was fully open - about 25 mm instead of 10.
Lots of silly thoughts went through my mind, especially curious ghosts examining my tools. I checked where my car keys were, mentally planned my exit route, and, a little spooked, I carried on working.
All was fine for about five minutes, until the spanner didn't fit again - and this time, it was fully closed! I was so, so close to legging it, but I told myself that there was no such thing as ghosts, that any tortured spirits would haunt their homes and not the funeral parlour they lay for a few days. So, I stuck it out, although I was very "observant" from then on.
An accident as I packed up provided an explanation. I stepped over a toolbox, and landed on the adjustable spanner. It slid forward and the little adjusting wheel moved - closing the spanner jaws. When I'd been working on the shelves, sometimes my spanner would slide along the shelf, and it must have closed on one occassion, and opened on the other one.
I'm so glad that I didn't run out of there in fear, especially after the spanner moved for the second time. I kept telling myself that there is always a logical explanation for all events, and it turned out that there was!
Re:To those who doubt the paranormal (Score:5, Insightful)
No, I wouldn't do it because I'd have a bunch of pseudo-scientists clambering over me for my delicious bounty.
Re:To those who doubt the paranormal (Score:3, Funny)
Re:To those who doubt the paranormal (Score:3, Funny)
snicker... (Score:5, Informative)
Fishy (Score:2)
Hrm, something smells fishy about the Randi foundation... from the linked site:
No one has ever taken the formal test, as one must first pass the preliminary test.
Apparently they can arbitrarily set rules and conditions for the preliminary test which most people refuse for some reason. Also, it is worth noting that should the Randi foundation ever actually have to pay the million, they would cease to exist. Just a couple of points to consider...
Re:Fishy (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes. And that reason is that they know they'll be proven to be a fraud. Those paranormal dorks only want to perform on their own terms under their own controlled conditions. Never anything scientific. Hey, if you can levitate, do it. Show the world. Show Randi and get rich.
But nah, the Silvia Brown's and Uri Gellars of the world would much rather indulge in fame and fortune on such enl
Re:Fishy (Score:3, Insightful)
Hey, don't get me wrong, I agree with you, I'm just saying that the Randi foundation cannot be held as an unbiased group by any stretch of the imagination. In fact they have a powerful vested interest in never handing out their million. Mind you, some of the applicants do provide a good deal of comic relief... heres one beauty from the site, he was also talking about "lightning a tree".
You owe me a million dollars: 2 million.
1: for the itching you got when I first demonstrated possessors exits.
2: for
Re:Fishy (Score:2)
It does not belong to "james randi", it belongs to the organization which is a non-profit.
Yes, and I might be mistaken, but the sole and whole purpose of this organisation, from the site at least, is to hand a million dollars to the person that can demonstrate paranormal powers. The foundation employs at least one person, probably quite a few, all of whom would be out of a job if the tests are ever passed, and the foundation as a whole would cease to exist, probably. Also being a non profit, it can rece
Re:Fishy (Score:3, Insightful)
No, the purpose of the organization is to debunk pseudoscience.
So the whole million dollars thing is just a side show... I see...
If you claim something is true, prove it
Eh I'm not claiming anything is true, or untrue either. In fact I don't really care if there are paranormal powers in the world, I have neither the time nor the patience to deal with that question. All I'm saying is the Randi foundation cannot be pointed to as solid evidence that such powers and-or abilities don't exist, since di
Re:Fishy (Score:2, Insightful)
That's a naive analogy. Radio waves do exist, and they existed then. If you posessed a transmitter and receiver you could demonstrate that fact. The lack of understanding has NOTHING to do with the cause and effect. Paranormals make claims that they can affect the physical world with their powers. If for example ESP existed, then it would be demonstrable regardless of our understanding of it. We would not have to wait
Re:Fishy (Score:2, Interesting)
Radio waves do exist, and they existed then.
Indeed they did. So did quantum mechanics and x-rays. But no one had a clue that they existed.
The lack of understanding has NOTHING to do with the cause and effect.
And the lack of observable (at the time) effect, for example with x-rays, has nothing to do with the fact that they still existed, whether we knew about them or not. Similar to paranormal events. To think that we have anything more than the feeblest of grasps on the nature of reality at this
Re:Fishy (Score:2, Insightful)
Sigh yourself. You seem to think you're making some deep points. But you fail to see the simplest of points. No knowledge or skill is necessary to demonstrate something that one claims has obvious effect.
People CLAIM they have a power, for example, that ridiculous women that talks to an
Re:Fishy (Score:2)
I concur. My whole point was not to argue that paranormal powers exist, however, but that the Randi foundation cannot be held up as proof that paranormal powers do not exist, which many in this thread have been attempting to do. Nothing more and nothing less.
Re:Fishy (Score:2)
And the ad hominems fly thick and fast. Nothing like a good serving of those to add weight to an argument. I'll make this clear to you again. I don't care whether or not these powers exist. Which makes you the proud owner of a lot of strawmen, rapidly advancing into troll territory. Ah forget it, if I need to repeat myself yet again there really is no point. You are so fixated on defeating paranormal beliefs that you are missing the point that I don't have any. Sigh.
Re:Fishy (Score:5, Insightful)
Jesus just shut the fuck up and admit you're wrong.
There's a dude out there who will sign a contract and give anyone on the planet $1 million in hard cash if they only demonstrate anything paranormal in a truly correct scientific way. Nobody, not one single person among the innumerable charlatans on this planet, has stepped forward and made a decent effort to obtain the prize. That speaks volumes. Sometimes, abscence of proof really is proof of abscence. At the very least, it is proof that even if there are "paranormal" effects out there that nobody understands, none of the current crop of practicioners are anything but frauds.
I can't believe I'm even having this conversation on this site. Where did rationality go?
Re:Fishy (Score:4, Informative)
The fact that nobody has ever been tested is testament to the fact that "Paranormals" are a bunch of frauds. At best they're entertaining, at worst they're criminals.
As this excerpt from the FAQ points out. Finger pointing is pointless. Either you have the skill or you don't and since you have to agree to the test protocol you can't claim that it was some set of "arbitrary" rules.
Since 1964 parnormals have had the opportunity to put up or shut up, yet in over fourty years, none have.
Taken from http://www.randi.org/ [randi.org]
1.1. What's the history of the Challenge?
The Challenge started in 1964 when James Randi put up $1,000 of his own money to the first person who could provide objective proof of the paranormal [1]. Since then, the prize money has grown to the current $1,000,000, and the rules regarding the Challenge have gotten more and more official and legal. It is vital that you understand this fact before you apply. The contract signifies your willingness to adhere to the Challenge rules. If you do not feel that you can abide by the rules, you should not apply, because NO rules will be circumvented on your behalf. So don't even ask.
1.2. Why is there a Challenge in the first place?
During a live radio panel discussion, James Randi was challenged by a parapsychologist to "put [his] money where [his] mouth is", and Randi responded by offering to pay $1,000 to anyone who demonstrated a paranormal power under satisfactory observational conditions. [2]
1.3. How many applicants have there been for the Challenge?
Between 1964 and 1982, Randi declared that over 650 people had applied [3]. Between 1997 and February 15, 2005, there had been a total of 360 official, notarized applications.
1.4. How many people have passed the preliminary test?
None. Most applicants never agree to a proper test protocol, so most are never tested.
1.5. How many people have passed the formal test?
No one has ever taken the formal test, as one must first pass the preliminary test.
2.1. What do you mean by "mutually agreed upon"?
"Mutually agreed upon" means that neither side can force the other side into doing or saying something that they don't want to, and that if no agreement can be reached, the application process is terminated, with no blame or fault attributed to either side.
It's easy to point fingers after a Challenge claim comes to an impasse and say that the other side was being unreasonable. This phrase is used to insure that finger-pointing has no merit.
Re:Fishy (Score:2)
Ah yes, thats the part I was looking for...
"Mutually agreed upon" means that neither side can force the other side into doing or saying something that they don't want to, and that if no agreement can be reached, the application process is terminated, with no blame or fault attributed to either side.
So essentially what they are saying is that if the applicants can't agree to their conditions, no test will proceed. Which is what I was saying they were saying. Besides you didn't respond to my second po
paranormal and proving it.... (Score:4, Insightful)
It seems to me this is a group which has given more thought than anyone else to applying science and logic to the whole thing. I don't think they're necessarily less motivated to hand over their prize money than anyone else would be who offered something like that up? I mean, no - nobody probably wants to give away a million bucks that's earning them a tidy sum of interest in a bank account someplace. But the claim that the Randi foundation would just "go away" if they had to give away the prize seems blatantly false. They'd simply be able to continue doing what they've done
Re:paranormal and proving it.... (Score:2)
If you can't accept the Randi foundation as fair and unbiased in testing the paranormal, what alternatives do you think are better?
I'm not at all sure, but I reckon something not financially motivated would be a good start.
that wouldn't really change much for them,
No, I don't really see it. If one person comes in and claims the million with a solid esp power, everyone else with the same power or similar would land on them and they would have to give out a whole lot more millions. Besides, it woul
Re:paranormal and proving it.... (Score:3, Insightful)
If I could read minds and/or predict the future i sure as hell wouldn't want anyone to know about it.
Re:paranormal and proving it.... (Score:2)
They can get enough money to set themselves up for life by getting the numbers to a decent lottery draw
Maybe they already have? In either case, its still not making the Randi foundation's claims any stronger, nor the claims of anyone that points to them as the last word in paranormal investigation.
Re:paranormal and proving it.... (Score:2, Informative)
Each person would have to pass a test. There is nothing that says they have to just start giving out a million dollars to everyone who claims to have a certain power. So far none have even passed the preliminary test.
"Besides, it wouldn't be the first time that financial considerations have
Re:paranormal and proving it.... (Score:2)
Okay, can we please keep this to one thread? Jumping around like this is giving a paranormal challenge to my inner ear. I've already answered your other points several times at this stage, so I'll just take out the one thing I haven't dealt with yet...
That's done by universities and other houses of reason.
Actually, no, from what I read on the site there are similar organisations in other countries that offer money for proof of paranormal powers, therefore their opinions are just as suspect. Unfortuna
Re:snicker... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:To those who doubt the paranormal (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:To those who doubt the paranormal (Score:2)
If you're willing to put a time limit on it, I will gladly enter into a $1000 wager with you on whether or not ghosts or other similar phenomena will be proven to be real in that time frame.
Re:To those who doubt the paranormal (Score:2)
Re:To those who doubt the paranormal (Score:2)
I think that ghosts exist outside the realm of science. I personally have seen a ghost on one occasion and some other form of spirit (not including alcohol) on another. On several other occasions I have seen what I believe to be a ghost but I am not sure. I place them in a category of ev
Re:To those who doubt the paranormal (Score:2)
Its called imagination...
Re:They shouldn't put up just money. (Score:2)
On the news here in the UK a while back, a guy told his mates that if Wales beat England in the a rugby match (for the first time in 12 years), he would cut off his own testicles..... And so he did. Pick your news source and read it yourself [google.com].
Re:To those who doubt the paranormal (Score:2)
Re:There are no ghosts (Score:2)
Absolute negative statements are.... difficult (Score:3, Interesting)
How can you prove that they don't exist?
Are you saying that non-material things are non-material, or that the non-material does not exist?
What about duty, honor, love? Do they exist? Are they natural?
Slashdot is a poor place to make an absolute negative assertion.
Respectfully,
Anomaly
Re:There are no pink unicorns (Score:2, Informative)
Re:There are no ghosts (Score:2)
Re:Sure Haunted (Score:2)
Grieve for these lost souls, they are lost to the world forever.
Re:Sure Haunted (Score:3, Insightful)
Creepy, huh?
I must admit, I see a lot of horror movies and read lots of horror books, so I got pretty distrubed when this started happening. It sometimes scares me even now.
But, the cause is sadly mundane: disk drives spinning down! Disks drive usually spin very fast ant the frequency of vibrations they produce are above human hearing levels. As they spin down, they pass quickly through the heari