Jack Thompson Buys Stock in GTA Parent Company 354
omega9 writes "You're not reading it wrong. From an artice posted as Joystiq, "Jack Thompson has purchased shares in Take-Two interactive - otherwise known as the publisher behind the Grand Theft Auto series of games. So has JT suddenly become a financial supporter of the company he's long campaigned against? Not a chance. JT has purchased stock in the company in order that he might attend Take-Two's shareholder meetings and face up to the company's CEO, Paul Eibeler.""
What a show. (Score:5, Funny)
Heck, I'm now considering buying stock in Take-Two, just so I can witness what promises to be the most side-splitting board meetings ever held.
In fact, I smell a new reality TV show...get cameras in there to record all the hilarious action.
We can have viewer participation too, go to the website and enter in the poll....how long will Jack last before Paul gets fed up with his inane babbling and calls the police to have him ejected? How many times will the police have to hit him to subdue him before they drag him out? (We'll have a ringer cop in there, so there will always be at least one punch.)
Imagine a few cops stiff-arming Jack Thompson's face into the drywall....now that's must-see TV! ^_^
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Re:What a show. (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyone know where the shareholder meetings are held? I may buy 1 share, just to attend the meetings if they are nearby me (NorCal).
-nB
Re:What a show. (Score:5, Interesting)
Though given this is Jack Thompson there's a good chance they won't let him speak at all.
Re:What a show. (Score:3, Insightful)
Attention Whore (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Attention Whore (Score:5, Funny)
http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=attentio
Re:What a show. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What a show. (Score:4, Interesting)
The only shareholder activism I was ever personally involved in was an attempt to get Sun Microsystems to promise not to use slave labor... which got defeated interestingly enough.
Re:What a show. (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/investor/annual_repor
Note especially that the board recommended that we vote against it... which a majority did... then I sold my shares.
Re:What a show. (Score:5, Insightful)
Either way, the guy gets what he wants.
1. If they let him ask his question, he gets to be the outrageous outspoken anti-videogame guy at the shareholder's meeting. And he'll get media attention.
2. If they don't let him speak, then he gets to be the outspoken anti-videogame guy at the shareholer's meeting -- whose ideas are too controversial to be heard. And he'll get media attention.
The way the media in this country works (based on fear and exaggeration), it's a lose-lose.
Re:What a show. (Score:3, Insightful)
Lose-lose? (Score:3, Insightful)
Ultimately I suppose there may be an argument that the industry has to fear increasing regulation but I'm not sure it should worry them. We have reached a time where adults are people who have known games for their entire lives and see it as a 'traditional' form of entertainment. Even if government does add legal weight to ratings the adult market is big and only going to
Re:What a show. (Score:3, Funny)
"Alright, so we've just gotten our--"
"Murderers! You all murder cops and children!"
"Okay, anyway--"
"I'll kill all of you! I'll kill all of you and your families! You train killers to murder victims!"
"As I was saying--"
"I will kill all of you just to prove videogames cause violence!"
"Sir, I'm going to have to ask you--"
"CENTIPEDE TRAINED MY CHILD TO KILL THE POPE! PONG KILLED KITTENS! MURD
Re:What a show. (Score:3, Informative)
Though given this is Jack Thompson there's a good chance they won't let him speak at all.
This is wrong. There are laws that dictate rules for shareholders. For those that dont know here is a summary:
I will assume that the corporation is incorporated in Delaware. Why? Because the vast majority of corporations in the United States are inco
Re:What a show. (Score:5, Funny)
. . . and then Jack killing the cops, blowing up some fire trucks, trickin' out his ride, smacking the hoes, and stealing a tank to wreak havoc over some generic metropolitan city until he is incinerated by a squadron of army helicopters. Now that's must-see TV!
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Board Member 2: "Seconded!"
President: "All those in favor of evicting Mr. Thompson from..."
Interrupting all at once: "AYE!!!!"
President: "Do I hear any Nays?"
Thompson: "Um? Nay?"
President: "The Ayes have it. From this date forward, Mr. Thompson will no longer be allowed to board meetings until such a time as a motion is made and carried to allow him to rejoin these meetings. Considering that the only way I can forsee that happening is if Mr. Thompson owns a controlling share, we can assume for the moment that his banishment is permanant."
Thompson: "But..."
President "Meeting Ajourned."
Re:What a show. (Score:3, Funny)
Oh yes, this will be entertaining.
Jack Thompson gets the floor. Paul Eibeler listens to his complaints, and offers him a signed document indicating that Take Two will no longer sell violent games as long as Thompson agrees to shut up and leave the shareholder meeting immediately.
Once Thompson's outside, Eibeler jumps him, beats him to death, takes the contract back, and speeds off to the nearest Pay 'N Spray.
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Re:What a show. (Score:3, Funny)
Or if he'll donate the profits earned from his shares to The Society for the Promotion of the Satirical Arts.
makes sense (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:makes sense (Score:5, Informative)
It makes about as much sense as Greenpeace investing in, say, Dow Chemical or ExxonMobil.
But I have to hand it to him for the audacious originality of the idea.
Actually, it's quite common for people who oppose a company to buy shares in order to protest at their shareholder meetings. Infact, I know at least one case where Greenpeace have done this, they bought shares in Amoco to try and block oil drilling in Alaska. See this page [commondreams.org] for more info on that case.
Re:makes sense (Score:3, Insightful)
It's a training program for terrorists like Yahoo's yellow pages is a telephone directory for terrorists, or Google is a search engine for terrorists...
"Why, XXX is nothing more than a YYY for terrorists!"
Yes, and for EVERY OTHER PERSON ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH
What a dick (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm sure the other shareholders will be just thrilled to see this jackass try to ruin the company.
Well, yeah. It was. (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure, the terrorists learned a bit about flying using Flight Simulator. So did many decent pilots.
I can kill you with a screwdriver, but that's not what a screwdriver is for. Don't blame the tools or the toolmakers, blame the sick bastards who use them for the wrong means.
Re:Well, yeah. It was. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What a dick (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:What a dick (Score:5, Informative)
While of course there are bound to be differences between a PC and the real thing, the fact is that if your controls are properly calibrated, you most certainly can make MSFS, including using the default aircraft, behave quite plausibly like the real thing. View? Did you even bother changing the view? It's adjustable in many ways in MSFS.
I know that students who come to me having a lot of "PC flying time" under their belt are in general quite well prepared compared to non-flight sim users. (Though the PC flyers often some bad habits, such as instrument fixation). More than that, however, is that once they start their training, I can tell them what to do in MSFS so that they can practice at home and be better prepared for their next lesson. Collectively, my students have saved thousands of dollars by doing this.
"Roll rate is wrong." - 100 hour wonder, stop with the hangar talk already, ok?
Re:What a dick (Score:3, Interesting)
I play Desert Combat and Battlefield 2 a lot, particularly using the helicopters. When I went for my helicopter flight lesson (fullfilling one of those "things I want to do in my lifetime"), the trainer was impressed with my ability to fly and manage the controls, particularly in maintaining a 3-control hover for extended time; the trainer claims (don't know how true) that only 1 in 100 (o
Does this guy have all day to stalk people? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Does this guy have all day to stalk people? (Score:2)
Childish pun (Score:2, Funny)
Some hon. members: Oh, oh. (Score:2)
Did he graduate magna cum laude?
Re:Does this guy have all day to stalk people? (Score:2)
Re:Does this guy have all day to stalk people? (Score:5, Funny)
Of course not, he's an attorney.
Yes he has. (Score:3, Insightful)
Despite his reasoning he has in fact become a financial supporter of Take Two by investing in their stock.
Re:Yes he has. (Score:2)
If Michael Moore can own stock in Halliburton [worldnetdaily.com], why can't Jack Thompson own shares of Take Two?
Re:Yes he has. (Score:3, Insightful)
If Shadowrun has taught us anything, it's that owning one shiny stock certificate in the corporation that interests you is a good thing, as it entitles you to their stockholder information releases, their meetings, and so on.
Re:Yes he has. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Yes he has. (Score:2, Insightful)
The money would have gone to whomever was selling the stock at the time. So, at some point in the past money was handed over to the company, but in the aftermarket for stocks the money doesn't go to the company.
Something interesting to consider is that he now owns a portion of the company, and therefore benefits in some small way from the publication o
Re:Yes he has. (Score:2)
Not that I condone Jack Thompson's crusade in any way, but it is much harder to make changes to any organization from the outside. I think he is wasting everyone's time with his BS, but I think that he is finally doing something that c
Re:Yes he has. (Score:2)
Buying common stock does get you invited to the stockholders' meeting. It doesn't mean that you'll get to ask your questio
Re:Yes he has. (Score:2)
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sweet (Score:5, Funny)
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Talk about an ugly realization (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Talk about an ugly realization (Score:2)
DG
Can we just stop paying attention to this nutcase? (Score:5, Insightful)
Comment on the articles site (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Comment on the articles site (Score:2)
Bad dog (Score:5, Interesting)
As a shareholder, he's got the right to be heard, if the board gives him the floor. I truly hope they don't, since his points are almost definitely not germane to the purpose of the meeting. I'd like to see the rules governing shareholder meetings at Take-two.
If he really wants to be heard, he should buy a controlling stake in the company... not that he could afford it.
Anyone know if Ryan's a majority shareholder? He'd put JT in his place so fast, Thompson wouldn't know up from down, left from right, A from B, B from A, Select from Start.
Re:Bad dog (Score:5, Funny)
Don't give an ass like him infinite lives!
Re:Bad dog (Score:2)
Thanks,
Leabre
How many shares? (Score:5, Interesting)
He probably doesn't own more than a few shares - just enough to be a "shareholder" and raise holy hell at the shareholders meeting. Maybe a publicity stunt? We haven't heard much from Jack in awhile now. Besides, isn't the Florida Bar Assoc. looking into his conduct at this time?
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051019-545
Best plan ever! (Score:2, Funny)
Can you imagine... (Score:3, Insightful)
NeverEndingBillboard.com [neverendingbillboard.com]
Whats that I smell? (Score:5, Insightful)
Hmm. Smells suspisiously like feces, too.
Webcast!! (Score:2)
sokaiya? (Score:2)
The big question is, does he have any yakuza buddies? Some Japanese gangsters, known as sokaiya, buy shares in companies so as to have the right to attend shareholder meetings, then exort money from the company by threatening to disrupt the meeting.
Re:sokaiya? (Score:2)
Jack Thompson: "I'd like to start of on how horrible all of you peo..."
Yakuza_1: "Revere the Emperor!"
Yakuza_2: "Expel the barbarian!"
*Guards appear out of the woodwork and drag Jack screaming and kicking down the aisle*
Yakuza_3: "Bonzai!" *beats the restrained Jack with a bamboo stick*
New Business Model (Score:2)
I hope he does the right thing... (Score:3, Insightful)
GTA has a parent company?! (Score:2, Funny)
Re:GTA has a parent company?! (Score:2)
No, not at all. As a shareholder, all he has to do is what he thinks is best for him.
Officers of the corp, executives, management? Different story.
Re:GTA has a parent company?! (Score:5, Informative)
No, and I can prove it. I own some Google stock, now watch this: GOOGLE SUCKS!!! See, nothing happened. Seriously, it is the job of the employees and board of directors to do what's best for the company.
"...can Bill Gates buy up 49% of Red Hat and then deliberatly fuck up the company?"
Once you own more than 5% of a public company, you have to file your "intentions" with the SEC. Owning 49% of a company is far different than Jack Thompson buying a stock certificate from oneshare.com. 49% might get you a number of board seats, depending upon the company. In which case, the other shareholders would sue him for breach of fiduciary duty if he did bad things with the board seats.
It's just symbolic (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course, if he really wanted to make a name for himself, he'd go after Wal-Mart, Target, etc. for not actually enforcing the rating system. What good is a mature rating on a game if the stores flat out refuse to fire employees for not enforcing the rating? As for the argument that more games should be AO, that's bullshit, and even GTA with its sex scenes wasn't AO. Anyone seen the movie Taking Lives? It had a full on sex scene with Angelina Jolie that was pretty damn explicit, yet it got a R rating which is analogous to a Mature rating.
AO really shouldn't even exist because Mature implies that your player can actually handle R-rated material in a movie. The difference between NC-17 and R is purely subjective, and quite frankly, any game that really does deserve an AO rating is probably over the top and should subjected to scrutiny as it is probably wantonly pornographic and violent in a way that would make Id blush and Take Two start furiously scribbling down notes.
9-11, Flight Simulators, and Jack Thompson (Score:5, Insightful)
But I can give a certain amount of respect to Mr. Thompson for standing up for his beliefs and going after them. Or, I would, except his true views were shown when he went after Bill Gates for making "Microsoft Flight Simulator".
By accusing MS for being part of the cause of the 9-11 attack on the World Trade Towers, I'm afraid that Mr. Thompson has shown a view that's, well, crazy, for lack of a more polite word. In his universe, flight simulators aren't used to give people an idea of what it's like to fly a plane - it's used by terrorists to kill people. In his world, Tetris probably isn't a challenging puzzle game - it's a method for people to learn how to fit blocks together to seal people inside a la "The Cask of Amontillado".
By Mr. Thompson standards, we would be banished into a world as bad as that ruled by the Taliban, where music, dancing, games, laughter and fun are simply scary things to trick people into doing evil. A game of "cops and robbers" played out by kids 20 years ago would be seen by him as encouraging crime.
So, while he might have had my respect in the past for at least working on something he perceived as a problem, he's shown himself to be in the worst light of those who would deny any human joy for fear of corruption.
Sorry, Jack. When I get home, I'm going to play a game of Chess with my daughter and Sorry with my son - or in your mind, "encouraging my daughter to commit mass atrocities on the battlefield and teaching my son to inflict suffering upon others and encouraging retribution".
Re:9-11, Flight Simulators, and Jack Thompson (Score:4, Interesting)
It's about time somebody took a stand and just said no to infants playing GTA. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
Mr. Thompson has shown a view that's, well, crazy, for lack of a more polite word
Mr. Flanders? Is that you? Shame on you for using that kind of language.
Right, or there's the off chance that he's just rabble-rousing and stirring up controversy for the publicity.
I know, I know.. it's a stretch to think that a bona-fide attorney might actually spout off about something without a) knowing what he's talking about or b) even believing what he's saying. It's just that I heard a mean-spirited rumor that the Bar is starting to admit people without regard to their moral fiber, and part of me can't help but wonder...
Take2 should pay dividends.. (Score:5, Funny)
So each time Jack has a case against some other game company. They can say that Jack is being paid by Take2.
Trespassing? (Score:3, Interesting)
They could also allow him in, and then file a restraining order if he disrupts the meeting. I belive the restraining order law would trump the SEC rules.
Anything I can buy to help? (Score:3, Funny)
So.... where can I send in money to stop nut-job lawyers from getting a law degree then accumulating wealth, power and media attention?
I have a new word for people like JT. (Score:5, Funny)
What Jack Thompson wants... (Score:3, Funny)
Then again knowing the Bible it might even be unacceptable for him.
In other news... (Score:2)
Silly Question (Score:4, Insightful)
and everyone Hates Jack [thinkgeek.com]
why is he still walking around ?
Maybe someone should rent "Roger & Me" for Jac (Score:2)
the formula (Score:2, Funny)
2. invest in said company
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!
Stock is a goofy thing... (Score:5, Interesting)
A public company can be driven by dissenters if they have enough voting shares to matter. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Jack does not have enough to do anything more than possibly ask a question. Most companies are pretty adept at keeping the loons from causing ruckus.
Could hurt his "integrity" (Score:2)
To paraphrase Victor Kiam: (Score:2)
Re:to make this complete (Score:2, Funny)
Re:to make this complete (Score:2)
No, that was the episode in which Steve Balmer did a guest appearance.
Re:Clumsy tactics. (Score:2)
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Re:Subject? (Score:5, Insightful)
Unless he bought a metric buttload of stock, he's going to have no effect on the development of any of Take Twos games, and more than any other super-minority stockholder would have on product development at any other decent-sized company.
Jesus, their market cap is 1.26 billion [yahoo.com] I really don't think they have anything to worry about from a prick who was too cheap to pony up 10k to a charity.
Open source holding companies. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Wow, I just realized something (Score:2)
That is so true! I played around with the letter and came up with:
Smelly Fat Cunt
Horrible Gangrene
Wormy Brain Pan
And the funniest of them all:
I masturbate to goatse.cx
Cool how having a . in your name makes it so much easier.
I don't think so (Score:2)
As a stockholder, you don't necessarily make any money of the company - only if the share value goes up.
But, this tactic of buying a stock in a company you are aligned against isn't uncommon. It gives you, as the article mentions, the right to attend the shareholders meeting, and potentially s